The Tulsa Forum by TulsaNow

Talk About Tulsa => Development & New Businesses => Topic started by: shavethewhales on February 21, 2020, 08:19:13 am



Title: Discovery Lab
Post by: shavethewhales on February 21, 2020, 08:19:13 am
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/work-on-city-s-new-million-children-s-museum-set/article_5d749856-5398-5651-bc6f-05bf913e910b.html

Now that work has commenced, I feel that this deserves it's own thread. This is a huge development and an incredible asset. In some ways it will be as big a draw as the Gathering Place itself. Together it will be an unrivaled attraction for young families within at least a four hour drive of Tulsa.

Now to figure out parking...


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: Tulsan on February 21, 2020, 12:39:06 pm
Hereís the site plan (from a Board of Adjustment meeting on 11/12/19, a mailing sent to neighbors related to parking issues).

(http://i.imgur.com/NE1rppO.jpg)


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: erfalf on February 21, 2020, 01:00:49 pm
I'm excited. Will this replace what is now in Owen Park?


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: ComeOnBenjals on February 21, 2020, 01:48:16 pm
Huge! Getting families with Kids to visit Tulsa is always good.. They like what they see... think about moving here... etc. etc.


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: Dspike on February 21, 2020, 01:50:13 pm
I'm excited. Will this replace what is now in Owen Park?

Yes.


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: Markk on February 21, 2020, 03:39:49 pm
Building it right up against Riverside.  Imagine that!



Hereís the site plan (from a Board of Adjustment meeting on 11/12/19, a mailing sent to neighbors related to parking issues).

(http://i.imgur.com/NE1rppO.jpg)


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: shavethewhales on February 21, 2020, 04:03:19 pm
Yeah, I'm going to be that guy and say that's not nearly enough parking. Most of the time I'm against big parking lots like all good urbanists, but parking at GP sucks already and it's been an issue for the entire area. Add a huge new kids museum on top of that and I simply don't know how it's going to work with even less spaces. They simply need a big donkey parking garage, and they needed it before the place opened.


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: swake on February 21, 2020, 04:25:31 pm
Yeah, I'm going to be that guy and say that's not nearly enough parking. Most of the time I'm against big parking lots like all good urbanists, but parking at GP sucks already and it's been an issue for the entire area. Add a huge new kids museum on top of that and I simply don't know how it's going to work with even less spaces. They simply need a big donkey parking garage, and they needed it before the place opened.

I predict parking permits and validated parking for the Discovery Lab.


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: TheArtist on February 22, 2020, 08:06:08 am
Yeah, I'm going to be that guy and say that's not nearly enough parking. Most of the time I'm against big parking lots like all good urbanists, but parking at GP sucks already and it's been an issue for the entire area. Add a huge new kids museum on top of that and I simply don't know how it's going to work with even less spaces. They simply need a big donkey parking garage, and they needed it before the place opened.

Encourage Uber and more transit use. 

If we can build places that are very desirable to go to, Downtown (Guthrie Green/Arts District), Peoria BRT corridor (which connects to Cherry Street & the Pearl), 11th street BRT corridor, The Gathering Place, Transit from downtown toTthe Gathering Place.... and they all have the "parking problem" perhaps we can finally get people to begin using more Uber and Transit.

Really once you do either of those a few times, you can begin creating a new habit.  It's just getting peoples thoughts to "remember" the other options.  We use Uber all the time.

If the Mid-Town/Downtown and adjacent crowd (which is a significant number) can use those options more, it will free up parking for those who live further away. 

You don't want parking too convenient. You want to have a little pressure to get people to get that habit of using the other options. Once they do start using those options more, it begins to "bend the curve" grow the transit, grow the desirability and density, etc.

If we can't do it when the rewards are there to entice people, we certainly won't do it otherwise. Seize the opportunity.

You and I can be a part of helping that transition.  Tell your friends, "Hey lets Uber here and do dinner." etc.


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: Tulsan on February 22, 2020, 02:01:44 pm
Encourage Uber and more transit use. 

If we can build places that are very desirable to go to, Downtown (Guthrie Green/Arts District), Peoria BRT corridor (which connects to Cherry Street & the Pearl), 11th street BRT corridor, The Gathering Place, Transit from downtown toTthe Gathering Place.... and they all have the "parking problem" perhaps we can finally get people to begin using more Uber and Transit.

Really once you do either of those a few times, you can begin creating a new habit.  It's just getting peoples thoughts to "remember" the other options.  We use Uber all the time.

If the Mid-Town/Downtown and adjacent crowd (which is a significant number) can use those options more, it will free up parking for those who live further away. 

You don't want parking too convenient. You want to have a little pressure to get people to get that habit of using the other options. Once they do start using those options more, it begins to "bend the curve" grow the transit, grow the desirability and density, etc.

If we can't do it when the rewards are there to entice people, we certainly won't do it otherwise. Seize the opportunity.

You and I can be a part of helping that transition.  Tell your friends, "Hey lets Uber here and do dinner." etc.

You ever try to take an Uber with a 4 year old?


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: TulsaBeMore on February 22, 2020, 11:25:48 pm
Are you all happy with the exterior design?  Does it capture the imagination of a child or creativity of what's inside...inspirational?  Or could it be a building that as easily could house a community college or an office? Just thinking of other children's museums across the county that bring more whimsy and wonder in building design. 


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: SXSW on February 23, 2020, 01:05:31 pm
Iím surprised they didnít do a two level parking garage with one level underground.  Iím excited to see this part developed and not just a big open parking lot on Riverside.  When is the pedestrian bridge construction going to start?

And very excited about the future trail to Brookside along Crow Creek.  You can see the first portion of this trail in that site plan which will run underneath the Riverside bridge (to connect with the river trail) and along the south side of the museum eventually running East to Peoria.  Lots of potential with this connection for visitors to pair a trip to the museum/park with lunch or walking around Brookside without getting back in the car.


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: TheArtist on February 23, 2020, 06:38:25 pm
Are you all happy with the exterior design?  Does it capture the imagination of a child or creativity of what's inside...inspirational?  Or could it be a building that as easily could house a community college or an office? Just thinking of other children's museums across the county that bring more whimsy and wonder in building design. 

The outside could indeed use a bit more whimsy, but the inside, from what I can tell in the pics, is mind numbingly atrocious.  The latest and best "corporate, minimalist, bland" that money can buy.  But that's fine with me. Will just make the new DECOPOLIS look all the more enticing and the kids (and adult), science & learning activities we have there all the more fun and magical.


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: SXSW on February 23, 2020, 07:24:38 pm
Are you all happy with the exterior design?  Does it capture the imagination of a child or creativity of what's inside...inspirational?  Or could it be a building that as easily could house a community college or an office? Just thinking of other children's museums across the county that bring more whimsy and wonder in building design.  

I liked the original design better but think it will still be a nice addition to the park and along Riverside.

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/2f/92f00cab-9be9-5b89-b424-446cbe3d5ce6/5e4f1e74c2149.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C731)

An interior rendering of the main lobby area
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/a/f0/af0b5b12-c3e7-5d12-af23-a11b1d49583c/5ba3f426b3e56.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C665)


Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: Vision 2025 on February 24, 2020, 09:11:16 am
Iím surprised they didnít do a two level parking garage with one level underground.  

Podium over parking is a great design but very expensive to implement due to the vertical transportation requirements for all visitors.

Additionally, I spent a lot of time on Boston Place when I was young,  My Grandmother's house backs up to the Gathering place and she had a shallow well for watering the lawn.  I remember replacing the sand point with my Dad one day, it was just one joint of pipe deep and to burry it we dug post hole a few feet deep and then jetted the sand point in by hooking a garden hose to the other end of the pipe and just pushing it down.  Point is the ground water is very shallow and is a real issue for any below grade structures in the area and the ground water gets higher (I've encountered it on projects at 6' in Jenks) when the river level is up for any period of time.



Title: Re: Discovery Lab
Post by: Jacobei on May 24, 2020, 10:44:35 pm
I didn't get a picture of it, but the construction fencing has gone up for this.