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Title: Liz Warren is In
Post by: guido911 on December 31, 2018, 01:47:42 pm
Didn’t we just have an election? But okay, bring on Liz.


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 31, 2018, 04:35:07 pm
Didn’t we just have an election? But okay, bring on Liz.



Well, Fake Fox News is commenting on her bad timing!  That must mean it is impeccably perfect.

Even as 'odd' as she is, still a breath of fresh air from all the Swamp Gaslighting we have endured the last several years.


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/elizabeth-warren-leads-democrats-2020-contenders-in-bad-timing



Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: swake on December 31, 2018, 05:59:49 pm


Well, Fake Fox News is commenting on her bad timing!  That must mean it is impeccably perfect.

Even as 'odd' as she is, still a breath of fresh air from all the Swamp Gaslighting we have endured the last several years.


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/elizabeth-warren-leads-democrats-2020-contenders-in-bad-timing



I'm not a big fan of hers, but she clearly has Trump and his FoxNews minions rattled. I count FIVE stories about Warren on the front page of Fox.


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: Conan71 on December 31, 2018, 09:12:22 pm
Other than perhaps having a better personality than HRC, what exactly are her qualifications to be POTUS.

Please don't deflect on "Well Trump..." or "Well Baby Bush..."

Let's hear some real qualifications.  I'm not aware of any other than she's a sitting Senator which means squat.


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: Hoss on December 31, 2018, 09:17:10 pm
Other than perhaps having a better personality than HRC, what exactly are her qualifications to be POTUS.

Please don't deflect on "Well Trump..." or "Well Baby Bush..."

Let's hear some real qualifications.  I'm not aware of any other than she's a sitting Senator which means squat.

I'm not real high on her to be honest.  She'll be stomped on by whomever is the Republican nominee.  I'm not sure who I'd favor in the current list of probables (which are about 20).

Being a sitting senator does mean squat.  But at least it's not a wanna be CEO who borrowed a boat load of money from Daddy to get started and wound up being the thing that most Conservatives hate.  Hollywood elite (keep in mind he produced The Apprentice).

If Kasich gets in the race I'd even look at him.  I said that last Presidential election.  It would be nice to have someone who at least can be statesman like in their speech.  And has some knowledge on how to run a government (even if it was just Ohio)


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: Conan71 on December 31, 2018, 09:35:25 pm
I'm not real high on her to be honest.  She'll be stomped on by whomever is the Republican nominee.  I'm not sure who I'd favor in the current list of probables (which are about 20).

Being a sitting senator does mean squat.  But at least it's not a wanna be CEO who borrowed a boat load of money from Daddy to get started and wound up being the thing that most Conservatives hate.  Hollywood elite (keep in mind he produced The Apprentice).

If Kasich gets in the race I'd even look at him.  I said that last Presidential election.  It would be nice to have someone who at least can be statesman like in their speech.  And has some knowledge on how to run a government (even if it was just Ohio)

Good gubernatorial experience goes a long way in my books when considering relevant experience to leading the country.  Being a junior "go-along-to-get-along" Representative or Senator doesn't equate to leadership experience it means you are used to having other's thumbs on you, not the best qualities for a leader.



Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 02, 2019, 07:47:47 pm
Other than perhaps having a better personality than HRC, what exactly are her qualifications to be POTUS.

Please don't deflect on "Well Trump..." or "Well Baby Bush..."

Let's hear some real qualifications.  I'm not aware of any other than she's a sitting Senator which means squat.


Not sure she has any better than any of the others of recent decades.  The best 2 from 'qualifications' standpoint in many decades were Gerald Ford and probably Billy Bob.

Ford because of his Congressional experience - he was a master at working with people in the House and the Senate.  This country missed a great opportunity.  Carter was pretty good - mostly because of his Governor experience, but he was "too nice" a guy.  Plus, he inherited a military that was truly in shambles, trying to recover from the catastrophic 'Asian War Games'.  And then thrown into a war we didn't know how to fight. (We are doing something similar right now - all desert wars with no jungle war experience - the opposite of the late 70's.)

But it all worked out ok in the end - Reagan just had his buddy Oliver North commit a bunch of felonies to pay off the Iranians, then the hostages came back, the Contras got the guns they needed to kill Priests, Nuns, women, and children!   Everybody wins..!   Well, except for those dead ones...  And North was convicted, got a paid off judge to reverse the conviction, and Fake Fox News made him a "Great American Hero"!!    Makes sense - did it with Custer for killing women and children, may as well do it for North!   At least we are consistent over the centuries!






Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: Conan71 on January 03, 2019, 12:07:06 am

Not sure she has any better than any of the others of recent decades.  The best 2 from 'qualifications' standpoint in many decades were Gerald Ford and probably Billy Bob.

Ford because of his Congressional experience - he was a master at working with people in the House and the Senate.  This country missed a great opportunity.  Carter was pretty good - mostly because of his Governor experience, but he was "too nice" a guy.  Plus, he inherited a military that was truly in shambles, trying to recover from the catastrophic 'Asian War Games'.  And then thrown into a war we didn't know how to fight. (We are doing something similar right now - all desert wars with no jungle war experience - the opposite of the late 70's.)

But it all worked out ok in the end - Reagan just had his buddy Oliver North commit a bunch of felonies to pay off the Iranians, then the hostages came back, the Contras got the guns they needed to kill Priests, Nuns, women, and children!   Everybody wins..!   Well, except for those dead ones...  And North was convicted, got a paid off judge to reverse the conviction, and Fake Fox News made him a "Great American Hero"!!    Makes sense - did it with Custer for killing women and children, may as well do it for North!   At least we are consistent over the centuries!


Okay, thread over, apparently Senator Warren is not well-suited for the job or at least people who can cite her qualifications don't read our tiny little forum here.

Heir:  I always wanted to see if eating paste in Kindergarten is the reason for your ADHD and lack of ability to follow directions in a thread.  Any clues?


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 03, 2019, 12:42:04 am
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Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 03, 2019, 11:46:06 am
Okay, thread over, apparently Senator Warren is not well-suited for the job or at least people who can cite her qualifications don't read our tiny little forum here.

Heir:  I always wanted to see if eating paste in Kindergarten is the reason for your ADHD and lack of ability to follow directions in a thread.  Any clues?


Followed your lead exactly (plus a tiny commentary).

Your question was what qualifications....I merely stated she doesn't seem to have anything different from the myriad of others,,,   Except for two of the three I mentioned - one by virtue of his extreme ability to work with Congress to get things done.  The other because of his gubernatorial experience.   Didn't even mention the farcical Baby Bush governor experience....as you requested!

Carter had good gubernatorial experience - did a lot of good stuff for GA before they went all stupid in recent years.  Inherited a major 'sh$tstorm' economy as President that he handled at least as well as anyone else has in similar circumstances, and better than most.  He just couldn't overcome the bad press assault from the extremist right...same playbook being used today to spew.


Last, commentary.  Always need some commentary with a tidbit of history - since no one learns any from their Fake Fox News diet.

Oh, yeah...not a fan of her, either.


Hmmmm...paste!!!  Yum!!   But the window ledges with their many layers of lead paint was always the chosen alternative!   Sweet and savory - much like good Chinese cuisine!!






Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: guido911 on January 03, 2019, 12:39:34 pm
Trump has weighed in

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dv_7fjIVAAEV_f-.jpg)



And the "kill shot"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-elizabeth-warren-psychiatrist-2020-election-democrats-latest-a8706186.html


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: RecycleMichael on January 03, 2019, 02:21:39 pm
Other than perhaps having a better personality than HRC, what exactly are her qualifications to be POTUS.

I like her story. Went to school on a debate scholarship, upon graduation worked in an elementary school, went to law school, then became an expert on tax law. She was a Republican up until the mid 1990s.

She founded the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau despite strong opposition from banks and was blocked by Republicans to lead it, so she ran fro Senate and won. She just won again on a platform of helping the middle class.

The Republican party hates her because she champions the middle class.

 


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 03, 2019, 02:45:18 pm


The Republican party hates her because she champions the middle class.

 

And while campaigning as a champion to the middle class, her campaign was funded by Hilton, Hyatt, IHG, in return to put forth extremely strict restrictions and regulations on people running Air B N B to the point where the small middle class business owner get crushed. She's in favor of Dodd Frank and how it benefits big banks and crushes small regional bank with fees and regulations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-finance-202/2018/03/12/the-finance-202-warren-goes-on-attack-over-dodd-frank-rollback/5aa5d8f730fb047655a06bff/?utm_term=.7b128a0f28ba (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-finance-202/2018/03/12/the-finance-202-warren-goes-on-attack-over-dodd-frank-rollback/5aa5d8f730fb047655a06bff/?utm_term=.7b128a0f28ba)

https://thehill.com/regulation/finance/377169-warren-slams-dems-for-backing-bank-deregulation-bill (https://thehill.com/regulation/finance/377169-warren-slams-dems-for-backing-bank-deregulation-bill)

https://www.inc.com/business-insider/senator-elizabeth-warren-backs-government-probe-airbnb-rental-sites.html (https://www.inc.com/business-insider/senator-elizabeth-warren-backs-government-probe-airbnb-rental-sites.html)



Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: Hoss on January 03, 2019, 05:27:44 pm
And while campaigning as a champion to the middle class, her campaign was funded by Hilton, Hyatt, IHG, in return to put forth extremely strict restrictions and regulations on people running Air B N B to the point where the small middle class business owner get crushed. She's in favor of Dodd Frank and how it benefits big banks and crushes small regional bank with fees and regulations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-finance-202/2018/03/12/the-finance-202-warren-goes-on-attack-over-dodd-frank-rollback/5aa5d8f730fb047655a06bff/?utm_term=.7b128a0f28ba (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-finance-202/2018/03/12/the-finance-202-warren-goes-on-attack-over-dodd-frank-rollback/5aa5d8f730fb047655a06bff/?utm_term=.7b128a0f28ba)

https://thehill.com/regulation/finance/377169-warren-slams-dems-for-backing-bank-deregulation-bill (https://thehill.com/regulation/finance/377169-warren-slams-dems-for-backing-bank-deregulation-bill)

https://www.inc.com/business-insider/senator-elizabeth-warren-backs-government-probe-airbnb-rental-sites.html (https://www.inc.com/business-insider/senator-elizabeth-warren-backs-government-probe-airbnb-rental-sites.html)



If I said this once I've said it a million times.  I say it every election cycle.  Get big lobbies outta the election process.  Completely.  And of course, now the word is that former Speaker Paul Ryan is headed to do what?  You guessed it, be a lobbyist.  So much for spending more time with his family I guess....and I use him because I heard the news about this today.  I'm sure many Dems do this too.  Both sides need reform.  The whole system does.


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: Conan71 on January 03, 2019, 06:23:21 pm
If I said this once I've said it a million times.  I say it every election cycle.  Get big lobbies outta the election process.  Completely.  And of course, now the word is that former Speaker Paul Ryan is headed to do what?  You guessed it, be a lobbyist.  So much for spending more time with his family I guess....and I use him because I heard the news about this today.  I'm sure many Dems do this too.  Both sides need reform.  The whole system does.

Why would Ryan leave behind all the graft and his concubines in DC?


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: guido911 on February 05, 2019, 07:14:37 pm
Oh well. Nice knowing ya...

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Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: swake on February 05, 2019, 07:40:37 pm


Yeah, she's done. I wonder how long it will be before "fake news" like the Washington Post actually report on it?


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: guido911 on February 05, 2019, 08:02:36 pm

Yeah, she's done. I wonder how long it will be before "fake news" like the Washington Post actually report on it?

They did. And look how they framed their story. What a joke.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/elizabeth-warren-apologizes-for-calling-herself-native-american/2019/02/05/1627df76-2962-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html?__twitter_impression=true


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: patric on February 05, 2019, 08:17:03 pm
Yeah, she's done. I wonder how long it will be before "fake news" like the Washington Post actually report on it?



In October, Warren released the DNA results showing she had a Native American ancestor six to 10 generations ago...

...which is apparently still enough to be continually referred to as “Pocahontas” by Princess Drumpf.



Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: BKDotCom on February 06, 2019, 09:56:14 am


In October, Warren released the DNA results showing she had a Native American ancestor six to 10 generations ago...

...which is apparently still enough to be continually referred to as “Pocahontas” by Princess Drumpf.



I think we all know he's mocking her claims, not her actual heredity.


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: swake on February 06, 2019, 10:20:11 am
They did. And look how they framed their story. What a joke.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/elizabeth-warren-apologizes-for-calling-herself-native-american/2019/02/05/1627df76-2962-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html?__twitter_impression=true

The point just flew right over your head. It's their story, they found the document.


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 06, 2019, 12:34:48 pm
I think we all know he's mocking her claims, not her actual heredity.


No.  He has shown by decades of past actions and comments he IS mocking her heredity.  Plus all the other races he has shown his bigotry and racism against...not just Native Americans.




Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: patric on February 06, 2019, 12:39:56 pm
I think we all know he's mocking her claims, not her actual heredity.

Or not.

(https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5a1d83453dbef4db018b888a-750-375.jpg)

And also...

(CNN) President Donald Trump can't merely slur Elizabeth Warren with the nickname "Pocahontas" anymore. That's old hat.
To effectively torment and tease her, he now seems to feel compelled to throw in an allusion to shameful episodes from US history.
This weekend, it was a not-subtle allusion to the Trail of Tears -- the forced migration of American Indians from Mississippi to present-day Oklahoma
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/politics/trump-elizabeth-warren-racist-tweets/index.html


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 06, 2019, 09:53:29 pm
Oh well. Nice knowing ya...



Really?   Well, good to know that you can fixate on something so trivial as her obvious pride in having even a tiny percentage of Native American, while there are still 500 children being illegally held in cages in gross violation of Federal law.  For more than 8 months by your hero, the Pedophile in Chief.  Glad to see correct priorities...


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: guido911 on February 07, 2019, 12:19:24 am

Really?   Well, good to know that you can fixate on something so trivial as her obvious pride in having even a tiny percentage of Native American, while there are still 500 children being illegally held in cages in gross violation of Federal law.  For more than 8 months by your hero, the Pedophile in Chief.  Glad to see correct priorities...


Thanks counselor.


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: guido911 on February 07, 2019, 12:20:15 am
The point just flew right over your head. It's their story, they found the document.

Then they downplayed it and buried the lede. Right over your head.


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: guido911 on February 07, 2019, 02:40:24 am
Apparently, it's over. Warren can't beat Trump. Glad that's decided.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2019/02/06/with-latest-revelation-elizabeth-warren-can-beat-donald-trump/nSDUQkPIqaNO3Dndqi4rxO/story.html


Title: Re: Liz Warren is In
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 07, 2019, 09:17:39 am
Thanks counselor.



You are welcome!   I am surprised you didn't 'get' that... you got the piece of paper, after all.  Had to have passed a test somewhere along the line about it...



May have to go talk to TU again and get the paper since I have some free time right now...when I talked to them before they said it would be easy for me...