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Title: NFL Protests
Post by: patric on June 05, 2018, 09:25:08 am
The Fox News clip shown Tuesday morning discussing President Donald Trump canceling the Eagles’ trip to the White House included a number of images of players kneeling.

The only problem? Those players were all kneeling in prayer before games.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/05/fox-news-shows-eagles-players-kneeling-to-pray-not-protest/


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: BKDotCom on June 05, 2018, 09:30:00 am
The Fox News clip shown Tuesday morning discussing President Donald Trump canceling the Eagles’ trip to the White House included a number of images of players kneeling.

The only problem? Those players were all kneeling in prayer before games.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/05/fox-news-shows-eagles-players-kneeling-to-pray-not-protest/

Further, no Eagles players ever took the knee during the anthem during the season


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: erfalf on June 05, 2018, 10:01:39 am
Further, no Eagles players ever took the knee during the anthem during the season

Technically Ron Brooks did during a pre-season game. He was later cut from the team (not for kneeling). Malcolm Jenkins has been the voice of the team in this regard, and he was smart to avoid knelling because he knew it was a distraction. He understands that while the kneel is not meant to be insulting, it basically will still insult people regardless. I appreciate people like him for understanding the realities of what is going on, instead of just plowing along like you can do no wrong because your cause is just. He understands that to build a large group to fight the problem, you have to be inviting, not incredulous.

And what's the big deal anyway. I thought a good chunk of the team wasn't going anyway. I know for sure Long & Jenkins said publicly they would not attend. I figure odds are a bunch more felt the same way, and in Trump fashion, he had to make it look like it was his idea and not theirs.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: cannon_fodder on June 05, 2018, 10:08:01 am
On the other hand, the organization released a statement about this being an opportunity for dialogue with the President, the owner apparently isn't a Trump loyalist, and some players were planning on skipping it:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/04/23/eagles-issue-interesting-statement-on-potential-white-house-visit/23418430/
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/05/eagles-players-boycotting-white-house-visit-list
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/sports/philadelphia-eagles-white-house-trump.html?smid=tw-nytsports&smtyp=cur&mtrref=t.co&gwh=2923495A2BDD9CA9AADB52ED0E4AD9DB&gwt=pay
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/philadelphia-eagles-players-planning-skip-white-house-visit/story?id=52846093


So obviously, the only thing to do is revoke the invitation the day before.  They can't skip your birthday party if you tweet that they are no longer invited anyway!  Haha!  Losers.

Trump previously uninvited Stephen Curry after he said wasn't going to go anyway (at which point Golden State rejected the invitation) - no "patriotism" angle there.  North Carolina couldn't find the time to go to the White House.  It's fairly obvious here that the Eagles were uninvited because the event might have resulted in Trump's ego being bruise.  


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: Townsend on June 05, 2018, 10:30:06 am
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Fox News apologized Tuesday after receiving a torrent of criticism over the network's use of photos of various players for the Philadelphia Eagles kneeling in prayer, creating the misleading impression that they were demonstrating during the national anthem.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/05/media/fox-news-philadelphia-eagles-kneeling/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/05/media/fox-news-philadelphia-eagles-kneeling/index.html)


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 05, 2018, 10:46:56 am
http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/05/media/fox-news-philadelphia-eagles-kneeling/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/05/media/fox-news-philadelphia-eagles-kneeling/index.html)


It is the sick and twisted world that IS Fake Fox News.   Remember, these are the guys working with Trump and all his lies.





Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: hello on June 05, 2018, 02:23:05 pm
I know for sure Long & Jenkins said publicly they would not attend. I figure odds are a bunch more felt the same way, and in Trump fashion, he had to make it look like it was his idea and not theirs.

I for one am elated that such a thin-skinned, weak, incurious, reactionary person has access to nuclear codes.

Trump doesn't care if the report is true or not. His cult loves it and he has suffered no consequences for lying. That is why I feel it is pointless for the media to cover it. Focus on the corruption of the Trump campaign, and how his Russia-First polices will have a negative impact on their $$$.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: cannon_fodder on June 05, 2018, 02:53:44 pm
And what's the big deal anyway. I thought a good chunk of the team wasn't going anyway. I know for sure Long & Jenkins said publicly they would not attend. I figure odds are a bunch more felt the same way, and in Trump fashion, he had to make it look like it was his idea and not theirs.

The big deal is that the President of the United States is so petty, and his ego so fragile, that he has to uninvite a sportsball team because they hurt his feelings or might make him look bad. That's a very dangerous level of pettiness and disregard for someone with the power and responsibility of President. I read d that the Cavs and Cleveland have come out and said they don't want an invite, should either win.  So I expect them to be uninvited soon.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: Hoss on June 05, 2018, 03:47:51 pm
The big deal is that the President of the United States is so petty, and his ego so fragile, that he has to uninvite a sportsball team because they hurt his feelings or might make him look bad. That's a very dangerous level of pettiness and disregard for someone with the power and responsibility of President. I read d that the Cavs and Cleveland have come out and said they don't want an invite, should either win.  So I expect them to be uninvited soon.

Hmm..projecting?

:)  J/K.  I'm guessing you meant to refer to Golden State also; we know how Steve Kerr rolls.  Boring NBA finals.  Same two teams in the finals four seasons in a row.  What a snoozer.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: Breadburner on June 05, 2018, 03:57:12 pm
L.O.L....^^^ C.j.C in full effect....!!!!


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: swake on June 05, 2018, 06:06:11 pm
Epic.

https://screengrabber.deadspin.com/trump-unable-to-remember-words-to-god-bless-america-a-1826578677


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: Hoss on June 05, 2018, 06:37:37 pm
Epic.

https://screengrabber.deadspin.com/trump-unable-to-remember-words-to-god-bless-america-a-1826578677

All this smile happening to him would have been a travesty under the previous President.  I mean, he got excoriated for wearing a TAN SUIT FFS.

The dumbing down of 'murica.  Gotta love it (not really).


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: cannon_fodder on June 06, 2018, 07:27:41 am
Epic.

https://screengrabber.deadspin.com/trump-unable-to-remember-words-to-god-bless-america-a-1826578677

Sure. But remember, 1/3rd of the country only cares about the appearance of Patriotism. Insist that the song be sung, whether you know the words to it and sign along isn't important.  Insist that everyone "respect the flag and national anthem," if you care at all about what they are supposed to stand for is secondary.  Give lip service to the men and women of our armed forces, actually using them in a responsible way or taking care of them when they get back is an afterthought. Wear that flag pin, smile on the 4th of July, go to the right place and do the right things for the patriotic holidays,say God Bless america at the end of every speech. Demand others show their patriotism or face your wraith!

But don't you dare talk about improving the country. That implies we have faults. So help me George Washington, if you start discussing the flaws, past or present, we're gonna have issues.  Make America Great Again but pretending everything is fine.



Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 06, 2018, 07:33:25 am
All this smile happening to him would have been a travesty under the previous President.  I mean, he got excoriated for wearing a TAN SUIT FFS.

The dumbing down of 'murica.  Gotta love it (not really).


Look at the example right before swakes post and after yours - that is what has happened.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 06, 2018, 07:41:57 am
Sure. But remember, 1/3rd of the country only cares about the appearance of Patriotism. Insist that the song be sung, whether you know the words to it and sign along isn't important.  Insist that everyone "respect the flag and national anthem," if you care at all about what they are supposed to stand for is secondary.  Give lip service to the men and women of our armed forces, actually using them in a responsible way or taking care of them when they get back is an afterthought. Wear that flag pin, smile on the 4th of July, go to the right place and do the right things for the patriotic holidays,say God Bless america at the end of every speech. Demand others show their patriotism or face your wraith!

But don't you dare talk about improving the country. That implies we have faults. So help me George Washington, if you start discussing the flaws, past or present, we're gonna have issues.  Make America Great Again but pretending everything is fine.




I want a wraith to release!!


I keep asking, but never get a coherent answer...  exactly when was it that America was great and exactly for whom??    We were headed that way when we went to the moon...but that was a long time ago.

Think 'The Newsroom'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjMqda19wk



Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: Hoss on June 06, 2018, 09:13:24 am

I want a wraith to release!!


I keep asking, but never get a coherent answer...  exactly when was it that America was great and exactly for whom??    We were headed that way when we went to the moon...but that was a long time ago.

Think 'The Newsroom'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjMqda19wk



One of my favorite shows.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: patric on June 06, 2018, 09:45:22 am

I keep asking, but never get a coherent answer...  exactly when was it that America was great and exactly for whom??    We were headed that way when we went to the moon...but that was a long time ago.


Being too literal.  "America" doesnt mean America.

Knowing well ahead of time the Eagles were not coming to the White House, Princess Trump tried to publicly shame them with a dis-invite to create the illusion he was in control, but it was always a party for himself.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: erfalf on June 06, 2018, 09:56:35 am
Funny this is from the same publication. I guess they are trying to be fair and balanced.

Inside Trump’s snub of the Philadelphia Eagles https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/05/trump-philly-eagles-snub-624838
NFL players rip into Trump after he disinvited Eagles from the White House https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/05/trump-nfl-eagles-national-anthem-624179

The headline on the first one is slightly misleading. It paints a picture that while Trump's response was stupid, cancelling it was essentially the only call to make at that point.

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But on Monday, the White House was informed that the delegation had been reduced to just two or three players, the owner, and the team's beloved mascot, Swoop.

This was before the cancellation announcement made by Trump & co., and less than a week after they were informed 81 would be attending. You as well as I know exactly what would happen if three players showed up. They already tried it with the Patriots from the year before to make Trump look bad only to be called out for the obvious hackery of the photo manipulation. The Eagles were/are playing politics just as fast and hard as Trump is, don't be fooled. I'm honestly surprised the owner was on the list of half a dozen planned attendees.

I would have cancelled it to if in the same position. Except I obviously would have done it with a bit different approach.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 06, 2018, 12:12:49 pm
Funny this is from the same publication. I guess they are trying to be fair and balanced.

Inside Trump’s snub of the Philadelphia Eagles https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/05/trump-philly-eagles-snub-624838
NFL players rip into Trump after he disinvited Eagles from the White House https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/05/trump-nfl-eagles-national-anthem-624179

The headline on the first one is slightly misleading. It paints a picture that while Trump's response was stupid, cancelling it was essentially the only call to make at that point.

This was before the cancellation announcement made by Trump & co., and less than a week after they were informed 81 would be attending. You as well as I know exactly what would happen if three players showed up. They already tried it with the Patriots from the year before to make Trump look bad only to be called out for the obvious hackery of the photo manipulation. The Eagles were/are playing politics just as fast and hard as Trump is, don't be fooled. I'm honestly surprised the owner was on the list of half a dozen planned attendees.

I would have cancelled it to if in the same position. Except I obviously would have done it with a bit different approach.


Spin, spin, spin....


Trump has attacked the entire NFL - even implicating the Eagles in spite of the facts.  As usual.  It is no wonder the players had no interest in going to that crock of carp.  As for saying they were sending 81 people, well that was Sarah's flat out lie.   Until she shows the letter, then it's just what she always does - tries to put it back on someone else by lying.  Just like her Daddy and Trump.

As one of the Panther's players said - it was a cowardly act.  As always expected from Trump.



Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: erfalf on June 06, 2018, 01:20:07 pm

Spin, spin, spin....


Trump has attacked the entire NFL - even implicating the Eagles in spite of the facts.  As usual.  It is no wonder the players had no interest in going to that crock of carp.  As for saying they were sending 81 people, well that was Sarah's flat out lie.   Until she shows the letter, then it's just what she always does - tries to put it back on someone else by lying.  Just like her Daddy and Trump.

As one of the Panther's players said - it was a cowardly act.  As always expected from Trump.



Exactly the response I expected from you. Thank you. Your assertions are just supposition.

Take this article from a few months ago asserting that the Eagles were planning on attending. Jenkins even comments on going to D.C. but not the Rose Garden. Hard to fathom that they weren't at some point making their intention clear that more than 6 people would be attending.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/sports/philadelphia-eagles-white-house-visit.html

But you go on with your Trump is bad anyone that opposes him is a saint mindset. That will really take as all to some great places.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: swake on June 06, 2018, 01:26:16 pm
Exactly the response I expected from you. Thank you. Your assertions are just supposition.

Take this article from a few months ago asserting that the Eagles were planning on attending. Jenkins even comments on going to D.C. but not the Rose Garden. Hard to fathom that they weren't at some point making their intention clear that more than 6 people would be attending.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/sports/philadelphia-eagles-white-house-visit.html

But you go on with your Trump is bad anyone that opposes him is a saint mindset. That will really take as all to some great places.

But Trump is bad. He is unfit for office and should not be president.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: Hoss on June 06, 2018, 01:47:05 pm
But Trump is bad. He is unfit for office and should not be president.

He's got about 40 percent of the voter base duped into thinking he is.  You could disagree with a President's politics, his policies (foreign and domestic), but this guy...how many here would be comfortable using him as a role model for how to act for your children?  I'm sure 40 percent would, and that for sure is a sad state of affairs and why we are no longer the greatest country in the world (and haven't been for some time, Trump has just brought more of it to light).


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: erfalf on June 06, 2018, 02:16:45 pm
He's got about 40 percent of the voter base duped into thinking he is.  You could disagree with a President's politics, his policies (foreign and domestic), but this guy...how many here would be comfortable using him as a role model for how to act for your children?  I'm sure 40 percent would, and that for sure is a sad state of affairs and why we are no longer the greatest country in the world (and haven't been for some time, Trump has just brought more of it to light).

Wait, wait, wait. I thought 20 years ago we were not supposed to be looking at Presidents and athletes as role models. At least that's what they were thumping then, when their guy was caught diddling the maid (intern) in the people's house.

What policy wise has really been some sort of signal that we are such a sad sack. I'll spot you the tariffs. Anything beyond that?


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: erfalf on June 06, 2018, 02:18:10 pm
But Trump is bad. He is unfit for office and should not be president.

Trump bad =/ opposition good.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: erfalf on June 06, 2018, 02:27:16 pm
An athlete that doesn't have their head stuck in the sand.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/05/kevin-durant-steph-curry-steve-kerr-president-trump-white-house/673794002/

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“What else do you expect Trump to do?” said Warriors star Kevin Durant, whose team is up 2-0 over Cleveland in the NBA Finals with Game 3 at Quicken Loans Arena on Wednesday. “When somebody says they don't want to come to the White House, he disinvites them so the photo op don't look bad. We get it at this point. It's good that guys are sticking to what they believe in and what they want to do. Like guys said before me, I'm sure whoever wins this series won't be going.”

In other words if you telegraph that you wouldn't accept an invitation, don't then be pissed you don't get invited.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: cannon_fodder on June 06, 2018, 02:35:12 pm
I would not have canceled it.  Sure, the Eagles fans and others in attendance would have loved to see the entire team, but being at a party at the White House with a few of your beloved Eagles, their owner, and the mascot is still pretty awesome. The President could have just said:

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It's too bad so many players didn't want to come here. This isn't  about me or politics.  This is the White House, and we are here today to honor the Philadelphia Eagles for winning the Super Bowl, a Great American tradition.  We can get back to politics in about an hour. [[pause for laughter]

Instead he went for the "win" and came out looking like a petty jackass.  Then held a sad and odd event for the team after uninviting the team.  Just so awkward. I don't think anyone bought the "I'm doing this for Patriotism" line.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: Hoss on June 06, 2018, 02:37:03 pm
Wait, wait, wait. I thought 20 years ago we were not supposed to be looking at Presidents and athletes as role models. At least that's what they were thumping then, when their guy was caught diddling the maid (intern) in the people's house.

What policy wise has really been some sort of signal that we are such a sad sack. I'll spot you the tariffs. Anything beyond that?

How about the insane corporate tax cuts?  You know, the ones that have caused all the stock buy-backs by and for one percenters?

How about his HORRIBLE record on cabinet picks i.e. Pruitt?  How's that swamp-draining going?

How about the fact that many of his EOs have been struck down by federal judges.  I know Obama had one or two, but that was in his whole eight years.  Trump wasn't even out of his first year and there were three to my recollection.

And I never defended Slick Willie when he got caught.  His impeachment was the right thing to do.  Presidents, in my opinion, should still be held to a higher standard than the rest of the general citizenhood of the country.  That YOU don't think that it should (or at least that you made this reference) tells me that you do carry water for this President despite your statements to the contrary.  If he does something good that I like, I'll let you know.  Sure, the tax cuts passed have given me a little extra money on my paycheck.  But how much of that will go down the drain with this stupid "trade war" that the Commander in Cheese (search that, it's not a typo, happened early today) is telling everyone "trade wars can be good".

Tell that to pork farmers.  They will be the ones screwed over.  And others.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: Hoss on June 06, 2018, 02:38:02 pm
I would not have canceled it.  Sure, the Eagles fans and others in attendance would have loved to see the entire team, but being at a party at the White House with a few of your beloved Eagles, their owner, and the mascot is still pretty awesome. The President could have just said:

Instead he went for the "win" and came out looking like a petty jackass.  Then held a sad and odd event for the team after uninviting the team.  Just so awkward. I don't think anyone bought the "I'm doing this for Patriotism" line.

And then he didn't appear to even know the words to a song nearly every first grader learns by heart.

https://wokesloth.com/watch-donald-trump-try-fail-remember-words-god-bless-america-patriotism-party/distributor/


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: rebound on June 06, 2018, 02:42:32 pm
I would not have canceled it.  Sure, the Eagles fans and others in attendance would have loved to see the entire team, but being at a party at the White House with a few of your beloved Eagles, their owner, and the mascot is still pretty awesome. The President could have just said:

Instead he went for the "win" and came out looking like a petty jackass.  Then held a sad and odd event for the team after uninviting the team.  Just so awkward. I don't think anyone bought the "I'm doing this for Patriotism" line.

But that would require nuance, and Trump can't even spell the word, much less use it.   All his actions are done from a bullying and petulant position.   That's my distinction between him and other Presidents.  I can disagree or not on policy, but none of the prior Presidents have acted in the manner he has.   


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: rebound on June 06, 2018, 02:44:31 pm
And then he didn't appear to even know the words to a song nearly every first grader learns by heart.

https://wokesloth.com/watch-donald-trump-try-fail-remember-words-god-bless-america-patriotism-party/distributor/

On a related note.  Just once, I'd like to hear This Land is Your Land, instead of God Bless America...


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: erfalf on June 06, 2018, 02:50:18 pm
How about the insane corporate tax cuts?  You know, the ones that have caused all the stock buy-backs by and for one percenters?

While you may not agree with them, they are hardly problamatic for a huge swath of the population. I'd stick with some of your other points. Again, this has done nothing to hurt our "place in the world" that i can tell.

How about his HORRIBLE record on cabinet picks i.e. Pruitt?  How's that swamp-draining going?

Yes, Pruitt sucks.

How about the fact that many of his EOs have been struck down by federal judges.  I know Obama had one or two, but that was in his whole eight years.  Trump wasn't even out of his first year and there were three to my recollection.

I know they basically keep blocking the same Eo over and over again (travel ban), and the Sanctuary funding thing, but what else. Coincidentally Obama had some immigration orders blocked as well. Again, this is really not a monumental thing.  

And I never defended Slick Willie when he got caught.  His impeachment was the right thing to do.  Presidents, in my opinion, should still be held to a higher standard than the rest of the general citizenhood of the country.  That YOU don't think that it should (or at least that you made this reference) tells me that you do carry water for this President despite your statements to the contrary.  If he does something good that I like, I'll let you know.  Sure, the tax cuts passed have given me a little extra money on my paycheck.  But how much of that will go down the drain with this stupid "trade war" that the Commander in Cheese (search that, it's not a typo, happened early today) is telling everyone "trade wars can be good".

Tell that to pork farmers.  They will be the ones screwed over.  And others.

I appreciate that you say you never defended Bill Clinton, but often his presidential actions are oft defended by a multitude of people. And hardly was there are a concern that US's image was in grave danger because of his philandering raping ways.

All I was doing was trying to understand what I am supposed to understand. Because from my standpoint it seems to be a moving target of whatever suits the mainstream at the moment.




Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: Tulsa Zephyr on June 07, 2018, 11:22:09 am

Think 'The Newsroom'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjMqda19wk


That "Newsroom" segment is dead on.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: Hoss on June 07, 2018, 11:38:46 am
That "Newsroom" segment is dead on.

It has been for at least since it's debut on HBO, if not before that.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: patric on June 08, 2018, 10:47:40 am

I keep asking, but never get a coherent answer...  exactly when was it that America was great and exactly for whom??    We were headed that way when we went to the moon...but that was a long time ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjMqda19wk


I had never seen that before, wow.  It's almost like a checklist of things Princess Trump needed to exploit.

After backhanding our greatest allies, today's agenda also includes Celebrity Pardons to appease minorities.  Sure we know Muhammad Ali didnt need a pardon but we sure think it will win over "the negroes."

Votes.  Airtime.  Column-inches.  ...and it distracts from remembering what the protests are all about in the first place. 


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: Breadburner on June 08, 2018, 08:53:14 pm
Are the NFL'rs going to take a knee in front of any Crip's or Blood's house's etc..???


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 09, 2018, 03:43:19 pm
Are the NFL'rs going to take a knee in front of any Crip's or Blood's house's etc..???


Still irrelevant after all these years...

At least you are consistent.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: patric on June 19, 2018, 01:32:01 pm

Trump’s desire to force patriotism with NFL kneeling ban echoes Nazi salute incident in 1933
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/comparisons-drawn-nfl-protest-ban-nazi-germany-article-1.4010138




Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: Laramie on July 08, 2018, 01:23:30 pm
Trump’s desire to force patriotism with NFL kneeling ban echoes Nazi salute incident in 1933
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/comparisons-drawn-nfl-protest-ban-nazi-germany-article-1.4010138

Let's face it; that is Trump's whole agenda to guide the narrative away from the original focus.  To make the NFL player participants look like a bunch of thugs unappreciative of the opportunities the American dream affords them.   These injustices will continue; the only outrage is when you see it directed toward white women.   Not trying to derail the conversation--just speaking from observation.

Notice that everything Trump does he makes it about himself.  He sits in the Presidential office in violation of the 'Emoluments Clause' while a Republican controlled congress does nothing; imagine if Obama were in violation of this clause--impeachment proceedings would have followed.

Never in my lifetime did you see a President tell so many lies that you can't trust what's flowing from his mouth.   The most recent major lie; Trump added that everybody "can now feel much safer than the day I took office" and people could "sleep well tonight!"   Again, it's all about him.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 09, 2018, 07:01:50 am
On a related note.  Just once, I'd like to hear This Land is Your Land, instead of God Bless America...


Lol....I like your thought process, but that ain't never gonna happen.  It isn't.


Title: Re: NFL Protests
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 09, 2018, 07:04:31 am
Let's face it; that is Trump's whole agenda to guide the narrative away from the original focus.  To make the NFL player participants look like a bunch of thugs unappreciative of the opportunities the American dream affords them.   These injustices will continue; the only outrage is when you see it directed toward white women.   Not trying to derail the conversation--just speaking from observation.

Notice that everything Trump does he makes it about himself.  He sits in the Presidential office in violation of the 'Emoluments Clause' while a Republican controlled congress does nothing; imagine if Obama were in violation of this clause--impeachment proceedings would have followed.

Never in my lifetime did you see a President tell so many lies that you can't trust what's flowing from his mouth.   The most recent major lie; Trump added that everybody "can now feel much safer than the day I took office" and people could "sleep well tonight!"   Again, it's all about him.


You haven't even begun to touch on the other Federal laws his regime is currently breaking.