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Title: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: dsjeffries on December 19, 2017, 11:00:08 am
Construction crews on Hotel Indigo have made a lot of progress in the past two months. It appears most of the heavy work on the old Santa Fe rail station is complete, with new copper gutters, lots of interior work, new windows (unfortunately it's dark glass) and workers were out planting shrubs yesterday. The sixth floor of the new hotel tower has been poured, so there's only one floor to go. They're beginning to frame out the second floor, and HVAC ducts have been installed on the first level.

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Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: TheArtist on December 19, 2017, 03:19:48 pm
Thanks for sharing the photos!


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: Conan71 on December 19, 2017, 03:23:33 pm
Fortunately, on our next Tulsa visit in January, we will have some spare time, we will have to spend some time in the downtown area and see how much it has changed since we moved in March.


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: sooneralum2012 on December 20, 2017, 09:36:06 pm
maybe a dumb question, but what did that building on the SE corner used to be, and how are they incorporating it?


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: SXSW on December 20, 2017, 10:13:32 pm
Once the office building is built at the corner this one will be kind of hidden.  I'm curious how the drop off drive will tie in with the office building and what the separation will be between the two.

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Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: dsjeffries on December 21, 2017, 08:46:01 am
maybe a dumb question, but what did that building on the SE corner used to be, and how are they incorporating it?

That is the old Santa Fe depot/station. According to this Tulsa World article (http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/realestate/blue-dome-district-s-planned-hotel-indigo-will-be-no/article_e1a20d3b-cc7e-51df-94c8-79e5a88d729c.html),
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Industrial Developers of Oklahoma is renovating and will occupy much of the former depot, with the balance being used as office and retail space...
The same article also says there will be an upscale restaurant on the first floor, which I think, given the small-ish footprint of the new building, may take up part of the Santa Fe depot.


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: patric on December 21, 2017, 09:49:09 am

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Double Acorn lights FAIL


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: Townsend on December 21, 2017, 11:49:04 am


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Double Acorn lights FAIL

But check out all those awnings and retail and rooftop garden that all will totally happen!


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: Townsend on January 11, 2018, 12:27:21 pm
Scheduled to open in August per the TW.


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: MostSeriousness on January 11, 2018, 12:38:43 pm
And the quote that made the story impressive is that the understanding is the next round of development should start in the spring. Whether that's garage or the apartments, who knows


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on January 12, 2018, 11:48:11 am
And the quote that made the story impressive is that the understanding is the next round of development should start in the spring. Whether that's garage or the apartments, who knows

I would guess the next step would be building the SW-corner building which is supposed to have lots of office space, retail and (IIRC) apartments as well so they can diversify a bit. I would guess the garage will be so expensive that it will need to be tied in to existing immediate demand for a large number of spaces (which will grow as buildings are completed). I'm guessing they'll have to build a couple more to drive that parking demand up higher and then build the garage  (potentially in parallel with the other building(s) on the far east side of the block).

However they do it, this is a monumental project they've taken on and seeing how tiny the hotel looks compared to everything else in rendering is eye opening after seeing frame in real life! The hotel is looking pretty big for that locale, especially compared to most other Blue Dome area buildings.


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: MostSeriousness on January 12, 2018, 12:50:51 pm
It really will be. From near and far it's really hard to imagine the proposed development per the renderings. I always thought the term 'game changer' for downtown was a little overstated, but when this hotel is done and more developments start up, I'll believe it.


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: SXSW on April 26, 2018, 10:10:54 pm
Target opening is now October 1st per this article: http://www.newson6.com/story/38043711/hard-hat-tour-of-new-downtown-hotel (http://www.newson6.com/story/38043711/hard-hat-tour-of-new-downtown-hotel)

I found this blurb interesting, and still think they need to tear down the Page Belcher federal building and build a convention hotel on that block sandwiched in between the convention center and BOK Center.

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Even with these new hotels, the general manager of Cox Business Center, Kerry Painter, says we still need more – in the form of a full-service convention hotel.

Painter says, “next year we have a soccer tournament and convention at the same time and right now our client is frantic because she doesn’t have enough rooms.  That’s a problem.”

There are no specific plans or timelines for a convention hotel.


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: Conan71 on April 26, 2018, 11:04:33 pm
Target opening is now October 1st per this article: http://www.newson6.com/story/38043711/hard-hat-tour-of-new-downtown-hotel (http://www.newson6.com/story/38043711/hard-hat-tour-of-new-downtown-hotel)

I found this blurb interesting, and still think they need to tear down the Page Belcher federal building and build a convention hotel on that block sandwiched in between the convention center and BOK Center.


Mmm, so let's find a developer we can give lots of incentives to build a hotel which will sit at 80% occupancy or less the rest of the year.


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: TeeDub on April 27, 2018, 10:00:40 am
Mmm, so let's find a developer we can give lots of incentives to build a hotel which will sit at 80% occupancy or less the rest of the year.

80% of 93 rooms is still a good economic driver to the area.   74 people (assuming single occupancy) eating, parking, working and entertaining.


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: SXSW on April 27, 2018, 10:04:27 am
Mmm, so let's find a developer we can give lots of incentives to build a hotel which will sit at 80% occupancy or less the rest of the year.

Downtown Tulsa will have 2,500 rooms after the hotels currently U/C are finished.  I think the era of building smaller hotels is pretty much over for awhile and the only real need at that point would be one larger full-service hotel next to the convention center.


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: Conan71 on April 27, 2018, 07:39:38 pm
80% of 93 rooms is still a good economic driver to the area.   74 people (assuming single occupancy) eating, parking, working and entertaining.

80% occupancy will get 100% of the marketing directors fired in 90% of all hotels and resorts, or at least transferred to properties less challenging.  Don't ask me how I know.


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 30, 2018, 08:13:19 am
80% occupancy will get 100% of the marketing directors fired in 90% of all hotels and resorts, or at least transferred to properties less challenging.  Don't ask me how I know.

I am unfamiliar with such things, so I looked it up.  The average occupancy rate for the nation is almost always below 66%.  
https://www.statista.com/statistics/200161/us-annual-accomodation-and-lodging-occupancy-rate/

Only a "handful" of the top 25 US hotel markets post occupancy over 80%:
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At the same time, the industry is reporting some of its highest absolute occupancy levels ever reported, Keen said, reaching more than 80% in a handful of top 25 markets.

Room demand is still positive in 20 of the top 25 U.S. markets, and absolute year-to-date occupancy through July 2016 was 74.7%. Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Virginia, reported the lowest year-to-date occupancy at 60.3%, but Garner said most of the top 25 markets are above the national average in the metric.

“Things are slowing down, we know that, we’ve talked about compression that exists within the Top 25 markets, but on a year-to-date basis, look at how many markets are over the national average,” he said. “U.S. right at about 65%. Only 23 of the top 25 markets are in excess of industry average around 65%, and some are way up into the 80s and high 70s, so it’s pretty astounding in terms of just absolute occupancy percentage.”
http://www.hotelnewsnow.com/Articles/71596/Top-25-A-performance-overview-of-major-US-markets

https://www.ccim.com/cire-magazine/articles/2016/05/u-s--hotel-market--an-overview/?gmSsoPc=1

This isn't my area, like I said, I was unfamiliar so I looked it up... cure my ignorance if I'm reading all this wrong.


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: erfalf on April 30, 2018, 11:59:07 am
I would be intersted to see the number when you weed out every Holiday Inn along the interstate and hotels in...uh...less than desirable areas. I would think expectations would be much higher if you were building a hotel in the Blue Dome district. But like cannon, I ain't in the business.


Title: Re: (PROJECT) Hotel Indigo at Santa Fe Square
Post by: Conan71 on April 30, 2018, 02:37:09 pm
I would be intersted to see the number when you weed out every Holiday Inn along the interstate and hotels in...uh...less than desirable areas. I would think expectations would be much higher if you were building a hotel in the Blue Dome district. But like cannon, I ain't in the business.

Aside from being somewhat snarky in my comment I was referencing full service resort and convention type hotels and not considering Motel 6, or the chains which offer free breakfast in their lobby.

In a previous life, I was considering two job offers, one with a chemical company I eventually hired on with or one with the Adam's Mark.  That was pretty much the scenario they played out for me on the occupancy percentages during the interview process.