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Title: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: Townsend on May 25, 2017, 11:39:33 am
New restaurant takes over Cherry Street Full Moon Cafe location; Maryn's Taproom opens

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/new-restaurant-to-open-in-cherry-street-full-moon-cafe/article_1942bd8b-4773-5336-8f46-1b108e679710.html (http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/new-restaurant-to-open-in-cherry-street-full-moon-cafe/article_1942bd8b-4773-5336-8f46-1b108e679710.html)

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The former Full Moon Cafe on Cherry Street space is getting a new look and tenant, another new chain is headed to Tulsa and a much-anticipated restaurant has opened in Jenks.

Crushed Red, a fast-casual franchise serving organic chopped salads and hand-stretched pizzas, is set to open in August, according to Eli Huff of Salt Food Group.

The new Crushed Red location, 1525 E. 15th St., will be the first franchise in Oklahoma.

Another high-profile spot, at Jenks RiverWalk, also has a new tenant. Maryn's Taphouse and Raw Bar opened May 24.

Maryn's joins Andolini's in the shopping center, and a new Burn Co. Barbecue location has been announced there.

Owner Corey Crandall, who also owns Georgeís Pub in Jenks, previously told Tulsa World Maryn's is named after his daughter and would feature 40 craft beer taps, 20 to 30 wines by the glass or bottle and craft cocktails. The menu includes burgers, sandwiches, oysters and seafood.

The hours are 4-11 p.m. Monday-Thursday, 4-midnight Friday, 10 a.m.-midnight Saturday and 10 a.m-9 p.m. Sunday.

Bad Daddyís Burger Bar, a popular Denver-based gourmet burger joint, will soon add the Oklahoma to its roster of locations in Colorado, North Carolina and South Carolina.


The full-service restaurant will open its first Oklahoma location in Normanís University Town Center in August 2017, according to a news release. Two to three more planned restaurants are set to open in Oklahoma City and Tulsa in 2018.

The menu offers gourmet signature burgers, such as the Bacon Cheeseburger on Steroids and the Bad donkey Burger, as well as chopped salads, specialty sides, appetizers and handspun milkshakes. For more information about Bad Daddyís Burger Bar, visit www.baddaddysburgerbar.com.




Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: DowntownDan on May 25, 2017, 12:02:06 pm
So is that really cool outdoor bar going to sit vacant?  This type of establishment doesn't seem like a "drinks" kind of place.  What a waste if the outdoor bar doesn't open back up.


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: TulsaLove86 on May 25, 2017, 12:11:29 pm
Has anyone else seen the work they've started on the facade? They're boarding up the beautiful old windows, presumably to put in another fast casual facade that will be an eye sore in two years when they go out of business like the two others down the street. There is very little character left on Cherry Street thanks to the chains, and this may be the death knell. I'm so sad.


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: Gold on May 25, 2017, 12:39:34 pm
15th Street clearly needs another pizza place. 

I believe this is the sales pitch on the potential market for this place: "Two landmark, locally owned locations on 15th street is clearly not enough.  When I can't get my fill of gluten from either one, maybe I'll order an extra from this place on the way home.  Hell, I'll go to Papa Murphy's after that and order a frozen pizza, too.  PIZZA PIZZA PIZZA."

Is there a way to short this action?  This seems like the worst idea I've heard in some time.


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: TulsaLove86 on May 25, 2017, 12:50:57 pm
It looks like part of the building and most of the parking lot is zoned OL (office light). It's not grandfathered in because it was conveyed into the current owner in late 2016. Maybe there's something there to leverage...


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: DTowner on May 25, 2017, 03:20:50 pm
15th Street clearly needs another pizza place. 

I believe this is the sales pitch on the potential market for this place: "Two landmark, locally owned locations on 15th street is clearly not enough.  When I can't get my fill of gluten from either one, maybe I'll order an extra from this place on the way home.  Hell, I'll go to Papa Murphy's after that and order a frozen pizza, too.  PIZZA PIZZA PIZZA."

Is there a way to short this action?  This seems like the worst idea I've heard in some time.

Iíve never heard of Red Crush, so I canít speak to its quality or concept, but the pizza/salad thing seems covered pretty well on 15th Street with Andolini's, Hideaway and Tucciís.


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: Conan71 on May 25, 2017, 09:04:20 pm
From the name, I was expecting a wine bar or at least a place with a deep wine list.  Or simply everything would have crushed red pepper on it.

Iím with the naysayers on this one.  If it makes it a couple of years, at least the building will have had recent updates instead of still sitting on 30 year old improvements when its time to find another tenant.

The concept really doesnít puff my skirt.  If I were looking for pizza in the area, it would be Andoliniís.  Iím pretty sure most Tulsans would feel the same way or hit Hideaway. 


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: Breadburner on May 26, 2017, 08:25:44 am
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21468.msg315211#msg315211


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: Townsend on May 26, 2017, 11:00:58 am
Interior shot of another location:


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Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on May 26, 2017, 11:04:33 am
Iíve never heard of Red Crush, so I canít speak to its quality or concept, but the pizza/salad thing seems covered pretty well on 15th Street with Andolini's, Hideaway and Tucciís.

And furthermore the delux salad thing is already well covered by Jason's Deli and Ensalata which is going in on Cherry St where Genghis Grill was.



Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on May 26, 2017, 11:05:23 am
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21468.msg315211#msg315211

You called it, even way back on March 3 that it would be a pizza place.


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on May 26, 2017, 11:08:11 am
From the name, I was expecting a wine bar or at least a place with a deep wine list.  Or simply everything would have crushed red pepper on it.

Iím with the naysayers on this one.  If it makes it a couple of years, at least the building will have had recent updates instead of still sitting on 30 year old improvements when its time to find another tenant.

The concept really doesnít puff my skirt.  If I were looking for pizza in the area, it would be Andoliniís.  Iím pretty sure most Tulsans would feel the same way or hit Hideaway. 

I agree. I probably won't even try Red Crush. I'm getting tired of all these chains with generic interiors invading all the interesting areas.

Overall midtown near 15th and downtown have far too many pizza places (as we have discussed, downtown has ~10 pizza places or places where pizza is one of the main entrees). When you have options like Hideaway, Andolinis/STG, Bohemian, Pie Hole and Umbertos covering the higher-end gourmet pizzas (not to mention dozens of low-range options), I can't imagine resorting to a chain like Red Crush. Considering all the pizza places within a mile or two, it is hard to imagine why they would open here.

I do wish Joe Mammas would reopen!


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: Gold on May 30, 2017, 09:53:32 am
I'm all for locally owned businesses and concepts.  They just do better for a community in the long run.

I'll play devil's advocate: I think downtown would benefit from a Chik-fil-a and a Chili's or the like.  The BOK Center brings in a lot of different people from the region and they aren't all looking to find the cool new place with microbrews or hipster food trucks. From a long term growth standpoint, I think those types of places will help, even though I mostly hate them on a personal level.

But as for 15th street, that Longjohn Silver's needs to get eminent domian-ed, CVS is a vapid POS, and it's worth sending the corporate office of Crushed Red a letter about how stupid their idea is.  And somebody put that Quizno's out of its misery.


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: hello on May 30, 2017, 10:07:26 am
I'm all for locally owned businesses and concepts.  They just do better for a community in the long run.

I'll play devil's advocate: I think downtown would benefit from a Chik-fil-a and a Chili's or the like.  The BOK Center brings in a lot of different people from the region and they aren't all looking to find the cool new place with microbrews or hipster food trucks. From a long term growth standpoint, I think those types of places will help, even though I mostly hate them on a personal level.

I'm a Downtowner and I agree. Consistency in good food AND good service is lacking in downtown.


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: erfalf on May 30, 2017, 10:18:04 am
I think the Chick-fil-A/Chili's of the world are a by product of a successful area more than they are a creator of them. I would like to see those types just because I think it's a good indicator of success. I would love to see a chain open up anything (besides Subway) in downtown Bartlesville. Hideaway opening a shop in my opinion was a major thing, even though they are a regional thing.

And in regards to Cherry Street. I think it is quite different than Downtown in that it's not quite a destination spot yet. It's still a neighborhood. And people move to that neighborhood because they obviously don't like 71st & Memorial. Hence the struggles of those types of establishments. It was mid day on a weekend, but my wife and I went to Mi Cosina a few months back and even it was pretty deserted. Does that place stay busy at least?


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: RecycleMichael on May 30, 2017, 10:28:58 am
National chains can give an area some credibility. They can also be an option for those afraid to try new things.

This last weekend we were in Edmond for soccer and I suggested two Mexican restaurants. The first was a small Oklahoma chain called Alfredo's and the other a larger chain called On the Border.

The menus and prices were very similar. Both places were about the same size and were within two blocks of each other.

All but two of the families chose the national chain.


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: Gold on May 30, 2017, 11:04:40 am
Mi Cucina does OK, but not great.  Kind of like their food.  It's packed on Friday and Saturday night.  I'd like to know why they closed the bar off.  I suspect it's an ABLE commission issue, but the result is a claustrophobic situation if you go to the bar.


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on May 30, 2017, 12:54:08 pm
And in regards to Cherry Street. I think it is quite different than Downtown in that it's not quite a destination spot yet. It's still a neighborhood. And people move to that neighborhood because they obviously don't like 71st & Memorial. Hence the struggles of those types of establishments. It was mid day on a weekend, but my wife and I went to Mi Cosina a few months back and even it was pretty deserted. Does that place stay busy at least?

There are plenty of places in downtown that are deserted on the weekend (I went to a couple different brewpubs downtown on a recent Saturday and they were deserted. Downtown must not be a destination yet). Cherry St is obviously less of a destination than Blue Dome or Brady Arts District, but it is definitely still a destination and has been for longer. Back when I was in college before the BOK center, students went to hang out at Cherry St, not downtown. The main place people would go to downtown was McNellies after that opened. Cherry St has remained more established longer than downtown's Blue Dome or Brady. Kilkennies and Hideaway have always been a draw. Andollinis and Roosevelts really helped fill in the strip where there is a constant crowd even on weeknights.

There's a pretty good chance Cherry St has more people in the area and density in the neighborhoods around it then most parts of downtown on most nights (The population density is higher, in fact). Cherry St also has a much higher walkability rating than downtown. It might be the most convenient walkable neighborhood in Tulsa.


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on October 03, 2017, 10:15:29 am

But as for 15th street, that Longjohn Silver's needs to get eminent domian-ed, CVS is a vapid POS, and it's worth sending the corporate office of Crushed Red a letter about how stupid their idea is.  And somebody put that Quizno's out of its misery.

That Quiznos shut down. Anyone know what, if anything, might be going in?

Also, looks like something is getting put in east of where My Fit Foods was (was the Euro Mart). I also wonder if anything is replacing my fit foods.


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on October 03, 2017, 10:16:47 am
So is that really cool outdoor bar going to sit vacant?  This type of establishment doesn't seem like a "drinks" kind of place.  What a waste if the outdoor bar doesn't open back up.

It looks like that so far. Nothing on the patio. Looks like a deserted gazebo in a park.


Title: Re: Full Moon Cherry Street changes to Crushed Red
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on October 03, 2017, 10:20:27 am
From the name, I was expecting a wine bar or at least a place with a deep wine list.  Or simply everything would have crushed red pepper on it.

Iím with the naysayers on this one.  If it makes it a couple of years, at least the building will have had recent updates instead of still sitting on 30 year old improvements when its time to find another tenant.

The concept really doesnít puff my skirt.  If I were looking for pizza in the area, it would be Andoliniís.  Iím pretty sure most Tulsans would feel the same way or hit Hideaway. 

After trying it out and giving it a chance, I think I agree with you that it might not be long for that location. On the positive side, I think they improved the look of the outside overall though. Interior is nice for a chain and better than before but also kind of bland.

Review:
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21594.0 (http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21594.0)