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Title: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 16, 2017, 06:13:30 pm
When something is so bat$hit dystopian that even FOX News Network is appalled, it deserves its own thread.

Lets start off with the latest ISIS video:
(http://www.palmbeachpost.com/rf/image_inline/Pub/p8/CmgSharedContent/2017/04/11/Videos/4015226.vpx.jpg)

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/10/15246456/lake-county-florida-sheriff-police-video-drugs






Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: patric on May 25, 2017, 09:47:56 am
We dont have a "If Trump can do it so can I" topic so this will have to do.

Fox News team witnesses GOP House candidate 'body slam' reporter
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/24/greg-gianforte-fox-news-team-witnesses-gop-house-candidate-body-slam-reporter.amp.html



Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: guido911 on May 26, 2017, 01:22:00 am
We dont have a "If Trump can do it so can I" topic so this will have to do.

Fox News team witnesses GOP House candidate 'body slam' reporter
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/24/greg-gianforte-fox-news-team-witnesses-gop-house-candidate-body-slam-reporter.amp.html


And he still won the election...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAuRDLlXgAA59tz.jpg)


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: erfalf on May 26, 2017, 09:27:56 am
And he still won the election...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAuRDLlXgAA59tz.jpg)

And the line of questioning will be "how crazy are these people that voted for him" as opposed to what it should be, what about the other guy so turned off people that they still refused to vote for him. Self reflection is a thing.


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: Tulsa Zephyr on May 26, 2017, 10:14:30 am
Actually over a quarter of a million voters had cast their ballot before the incident.


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: rebound on May 26, 2017, 10:36:28 am
And of course the rampant "Democrats are evil" brainwashing...


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: guido911 on May 26, 2017, 10:49:35 am
Actually over a quarter of a million voters had cast their ballot before the incident.

Those voters that went for Gianforte early of course all would have voted differently and the outcome would be different had they just voted in person on Election Day.

This whole incident got so overblown by the media, because certainly they are always a victim of mean ol Trump and the GOP, that it became a joke to me.


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: patric on May 26, 2017, 11:56:17 am

This whole incident got so overblown by the media, because certainly they are always a victim of mean ol Trump and the GOP, that it became a joke to me.

Trump's not so good on history, but this financial reporter thinks history is what we should be paying attention to right now:


What we are witnessing today is exactly how it has happened historically. It goes in steps. Countries do not leap from civilization to barbarism in a single bound. You do not wake up one morning to discover mobs burning books in the streets. The decline happens by degrees. Each step enables the next.

And what is being normalized here now is not normal.

The voters of Montana have just rewarded Greg Gianforte for beating up a reporter by electing him to Congress as their representative. Many on the right are crowing. Gianforte was reportedly swamped with extra donations following the attack. Republican congressman Duncan Hunter of California said the attack was merely “inappropriate” — unless, he added, the reporter “deserved it.” The president has celebrated the result. Popular right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham actually mocked the reporter and suggested he should have fought back against Gianforte and his aides. (One can only imagine what she would have said if he actually had done so.) She was not alone.

None of these people are being subject to moral sanction by the market or their supporters so far as anyone can tell. Gianforte has only been cited legally for a misdemeanor by the local sheriff, who was a campaign contributor. The smart money says he will get away with it, and take up his lucrative sinecure in Washington.

And as every conservative knows, human beings respond to incentives. If this sort of action is rewarded and not punished, it will happen more often.

The reporter in question, the Guardian’s Ben Jacobs, was doing exactly — not roughly, but exactly — what people like Thomas Jefferson were thinking about when they included the First Amendment in the Constitution. He was trying to ask the Republican congressional candidate for his view on the new health-care bill, which according to the Congressional Budget Office will cost 23 million people their health insurance. There is, literally, no more legitimate function of a reporter in our democracy than asking a congressional candidate for his position on a new law just before an election.

Yet there is no longer even a consensus in defense of this.

What I personally find most depressing is the tribalism. People on the right are defending Gianforte because he’s on their “team” and Jacobs is on the “other” team. Their reaction would have been exactly the opposite if it had been the other way around. If you want to see how commonplace this is, check out social media — or, indeed, the likely comments below this article.

But such thinking is the logic of soccer hooligans. It should have no place, zero, in public debate. To witness people in public life incorporating this into their reasoning and behavior is more than ominous.

How do you get here? First you lay the groundwork with a long-term, cynical marketing campaign against the “mainstream” press. Then a presidential candidate urges his supporters to “knock the crap” out of protestors.

Then he gets his supporters so mad at the press that a reporter needs to be escorted from a rally by the Secret Service for her own protection.

Then the candidate jokes about whether he would ever kill reporters. Then he calls them the “enemy of the people.” Then one of his colleagues physically attacks one of them.

And at each stage along the process, some people cheer him, others defend him, and others shrug it off. Each unsanctioned outrage enables the next. Sixty-two million people voted for Trump. The Republican Party and the people of Montana have now legitimized violence. The next step in the sequence is obvious.

When you travel abroad these days, it’s like a cloud lifts. Stepping outside Trumpland, even for a few days, reminds you of what life is like in the normal world. You and your family should have that option as a matter of right.

The point about a stable country is that it has the rule of law, and the point about the rule of law is that, above all, it is impartial. This is why the traditional figure of justice is blindfolded. Assault is assault. There aren’t “teams” or sides.

Partisan justice is not a feature of a civil society. It is a feature of a civil war.
  http://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-time-to-plan-an-escape-route-for-you-and-your-money-from-trumpland-2017-05-26



Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: BKDotCom on May 26, 2017, 12:15:46 pm
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Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: erfalf on May 26, 2017, 12:57:27 pm
patric, that is an excellent assessment of how we got to a point in civilization where reporters think they are owed anything they want.  ;)

Look I ain't saying Gianforte didn't do something incredibly stupid. But his stupid behavior doesn't excuse stupid behavior exhibited all the time by pushy reporters that in my opinion cross a lot of lines, all because "it is their right". I'm about sick of people granting themselves rights.


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: Townsend on May 26, 2017, 01:07:52 pm
patric, that is an excellent assessment of how we got to a point in civilization where reporters think they are owed anything they want.  ;)

Look I ain't saying Gianforte didn't do something incredibly stupid. But his stupid behavior doesn't excuse stupid behavior exhibited all the time by pushy reporters that in my opinion cross a lot of lines, all because "it is their right". I'm about sick of people granting themselves rights.

Yes, Trump said that the reporters are the enemy...and non Euro-whites...and non-protestants...and scientists...


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: Townsend on May 26, 2017, 01:28:25 pm
Oh...and non-rich people or proper medical care.

Pretty soon dentistry will be deemed as anti-Trump.

Many with all their teeth will be threatened by some crazy racist woman in the Walmarts.


(http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10495480.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Racist-customer-harasses-women-in-Walmart-until-hero-employee-steps-in.jpg)

Now the world knows what she wipes her Trump with.


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: erfalf on May 26, 2017, 02:01:09 pm
Yes, Trump said that the reporters are the enemy

If they play the part...

Just saying, the press hasn't exactly been impartial lately. And with all that crow they had to eat last November, I'd be bitter too.


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: Townsend on May 26, 2017, 02:12:07 pm
If they play the part...


It's a true shame when that's written with sincerity.


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: erfalf on May 26, 2017, 02:42:54 pm
It's a true shame when that's written with sincerity.

It is a shame that the press has taken such an (selectively) adversarial stance. I completely agree with you.


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: Hoss on May 26, 2017, 04:17:28 pm
It is a shame that the press has taken such an (selectively) adversarial stance. I completely agree with you.

And the current adminstration hasn't?  He's been pounding that 'fake news' diatribe since well before the election.

Anyone who believes it has been conned.  Remember, the country elected a guy who is a seven time bankrupt businessman who gloats about grabbing women by the vajayjay.

Sorry E...the job of the Fourth Estate is to always question a bullshitter.  That's what Trump is at the core.  And don't say 'all politicians are bullshitters'.  Yes they  may be, but Trump stands alone atop bullshit mountain.


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: patric on May 26, 2017, 05:57:48 pm
patric, that is an excellent assessment of how we got to a point in civilization where reporters think they are owed anything they want.  ;)

Look I ain't saying Gianforte didn't do something incredibly stupid. But his stupid behavior doesn't excuse stupid behavior exhibited all the time by pushy reporters that in my opinion cross a lot of lines, all because "it is their right". I'm about sick of people granting themselves rights.

The men who founded this country seemed to feel that the pursuit of truth was so much a right they put first on the list.

As far as Gianforte, his sin wasnt so much A&B on a reporter but issuing "alternative facts" blaming the victim; that, and apparently being too stupid to realize the recorder the reporter had in his hand might actually be recording.

When your political gameplan is built on making up your own facts, of course your biggest threat are the people whose job it is to investigate those facts.  Gianforte might never roll another reporter again, but he's demonstrated he has no qualms about adjusting the truth to suit his needs.


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: guido911 on May 26, 2017, 06:11:15 pm
Well, the people of Montana do not seem to care what the founding fathers think about the press, or who's facts to believe. They are probably like many of us and don't care about whiny reporters. I just thought this whole thing was hilarious given all the beatings that left-wingers/pu$$iss have been handing out on conservatives on college campuses and rallies.


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: Breadburner on May 26, 2017, 08:56:35 pm
The b@itch Slap heard round the World.....


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: patric on May 27, 2017, 09:38:05 am
Well, the people of Montana do not seem to care what the founding fathers think about the press, or who's facts to believe. They are probably like many of us and don't care about whiny reporters. I just thought this whole thing was hilarious given all the beatings that left-wingers/pu$$iss have been handing out on conservatives on college campuses and rallies.

The people making America great Vs the people who made America?   Their ignorance is a weakness, not a strength.


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: guido911 on May 27, 2017, 09:04:53 pm
The people making America great Vs the people who made America?   Their ignorance is a weakness, not a strength.

And where do you fit in the "make America great" and "made America great"? Are you in the "I do jack smile and choose to b*tch" group of people?


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: patric on May 28, 2017, 10:30:19 am
Well, the people of Montana do not seem to care what the founding fathers think about the press, or who's facts to believe. They are probably like many of us and don't care about whiny reporters. I just thought this whole thing was hilarious given all the beatings that left-wingers/pu$$iss have been handing out on conservatives on college campuses and rallies.

Thats simply not true.  The powerful must always be held accountible, from the head of state tapping out 140 characters in the dead of night to the frightened cop with his finger on the trigger, we know we have the right to know the truth from people who claim to act on our behalf.
Montana was just the latest representation of people taking their freedom for granted.


Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: patric on July 15, 2017, 10:14:28 am
‘Lie after lie after lie’: Fox News’s Shepard Smith has a Cronkite moment on Russia
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/14/lie-after-lie-after-lie-fox-news-shepard-smith-has-a-cronkite-moment-on-russia/


“There are still people out there who believe we’re making it up, and one day they’re gonna realize we’re not, and look around and go, ‘Where are we? And why are we getting told all these lies?’”




Title: Re: Too Crazy for FOX
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 15, 2017, 06:47:39 pm
patric, that is an excellent assessment of how we got to a point in civilization where reporters think they are owed anything they want.  ;)

Look I ain't saying Gianforte didn't do something incredibly stupid. But his stupid behavior doesn't excuse stupid behavior exhibited all the time by pushy reporters that in my opinion cross a lot of lines, all because "it is their right". I'm about sick of people granting themselves rights.


Actually, in case you missed it in school...the First Amendment acknowledges and openly STATES that right.  It's that free press thing....

That pesky Constitution shooting down right wing extremist BS again...  Way to go Montana!  Going against the Constitution just like Okrahoma does!!