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Title: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on March 16, 2017, 09:25:50 am
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A new brewery, Welltown Brewing, has announced that it will open soon in Tulsa.

We are excited. It is me and my father-in-law Paul Whitham that are pioneering this journey,” said Jeremy Diamond founder of the new brewery. “What we are super excited about is being part of the downtown growth. There is a so much going on down there in the next five or 10 years it is going to be ridiculous.”

Welltown Brewing plans to open in the heart of Tulsa. However, since they don’t have the keys in their hands yet, they haven’t announced the location. They expect to release more information soon, likely early April.

Their brewer is Gene Collins, a longtime Fellowship of Oklahoma Ale Makers (FOAM) member and brewing award winner. Collins has been brewing for years and will be brewing up his recipes with collaboration with Whitham.

Diamond and Whitham came up with a name that they think will fit in Tulsa and also be unique to the United States.

“So, Welltown Brewing’s name originated from the 20’s when Tulsa was basically the boom capitol of the world, it was the oil capitol so it is where everybody came. We thought it was a cool era and, with all the refineries, is how we came up with our name, Welltown,” Diamond said.

Most founders of breweries have traveled outside the United States and brought back their knowledge and their experiences. Diamond is no different, although the country he traveled to is still up-and-coming in the craft beer industry, South Korea.

“I fell in love with craft beer when I was working overseas. I had a fellow engineer friend that was homebrewing at his small apartment and he had this crazy Frankenbrew system set up. I remember walking in and he offered me a ginger beer. I tried this beer and remembered, ‘Wow, this thing is really good.’ Well, it turns out he made that beer in his apartment. That is when I really started getting into beer,” he said.

“I moved back to Tulsa and my father-in-law was a homebrewer. I remember going over to his house and trying different types of beer and really, really enjoying it.”
Diamond is all about bringing the community together. His vision is for his taproom to be the focal point to make this happen.

“Welltown’s goal is to really focus on community and really focus on the taproom specifically. We are not going to be distributing right off the bat. We really want to hone in on great beer and selling in our taproom,” he said.

“I think not rushing out there and not producing something for the liquor store shelves or the next tap at your local restaurant or bar. I think that is really good to help us focus on community and bringing people to the taproom and trying our beer. In the future that might change.”

In any business there are hurdles to jump through. Breweries have more than most businesses to deal with since they have federal, state and city rules to abide by. So the process takes a lot of time.

“We are going to do our darndest to be open in 2017. We are super excited to get open, we are super excited to bring beer to the public and we are super excited to bring people to our taproom,” Diamond said.

In other news:

Marshall Brewing Co., 616 S. Wheeling Ave., will host a St. Patrick’s Day celebration with a multitude of choices of brews. They will be offering two limited release firkins and will have the NCAA Tournament games on in the Tap Room. Try the Donnybrook Porter — Cask-conditioned Big Jamoke Porter infused with Jameson soaked oak and Irish Coffee Stout — Cask-conditioned Black Dolphin Stout infused with Irish Coffee. The Firkin beers are available by-the-glass only after 4 p.m.

Oklahoma City’s Oak & Ore, 1732 NW 16th St., has been recognized as the best beer bar in Oklahoma in the annual Great American Beer Bars competition by CraftBeer.com — the National Brewers Association website for beer lovers.

A week’s worth of activities are planned to celebrate the award along with the success of its second year of business in Oklahoma City’s Plaza District. Special beer tappings and customer appreciation promotions will be held the week of March 19.

The official 2-year anniversary party will take place from 12-5 p.m. on Saturday, March 25, featuring special released beers being tapped each hour. All 36 taps will be filled exclusively with Oklahoma craft beer. There will be hourly drawings for door prizes, and attendees who purchase an Oklahoma craft beer will be entered to win a limited-edition Oak & Ore anniversary T-shirt.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/scene/whattheale/what-the-ale-tulsa-s-brewing-industry-has-gained-yet/article_4c6a5f5d-38d9-5985-8d7b-0c7fff74e8fc.html

Holy Smoot how many does that make now? We may have to start a thread just about Tulsa breweries! I love it.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: sgrizzle on March 16, 2017, 09:45:32 am
Would be nice if it was south of the tracks for a change.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on March 16, 2017, 12:10:08 pm
Would be nice if it was south of the tracks for a change.

Although Spaghetti Warehouse would be a cool space for a brewery plus more.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 16, 2017, 12:34:42 pm
Although Spaghetti Warehouse would be a cool space for a brewery plus more.


Bonus to that would be getting rid of Spaghetti Warehouse....


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: saintnicster on March 16, 2017, 12:58:29 pm

Bonus to that would be getting rid of Spaghetti Warehouse....

Not been paying attention? http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21472.0 (http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21472.0)


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on March 16, 2017, 01:59:41 pm
Would be nice if it was south of the tracks for a change.

The article says they don't have keys in hand and so haven't announced the location yet. It also says "near" downtown.

That makes 4 new breweries opening near downtown plus a taproom for American Solera (Chase Healey who founded Prairie Artisan Ales) at 18th & Boston. Marshall and Dead Armadillo are currently open with Cabin Boys, Willow Family Ales (at Park in the Pearl) and Renaissance (12th & Lewis) to open soon. Then Hanson also plans some sort of brewery across from Prairie brewpub. With this new Welltown one, that'll be 7 breweries near downtown plus 3 additional brewpub/tap rooms (Elgin Park Brewpub, Prairie Brew Pub & American Solera's tap room/microbrewery). So 10 places near downtown to get a Tulsa-made brew straight from the source!

There's several other breweries in the works which I don't remember the names of and probably several I don't know about.  Really exciting time for Oklahoma craft brewing fans! I believe this is long overdue but good to see people stepping up to fulfill that demand.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on March 16, 2017, 02:06:47 pm
Would be nice if it was south of the tracks for a change.

Also, this is good news no matter where they put it. It's a local start up in a vastly under-served market (Springfield and NW arkansas have had more breweries than Tulsa despite being much smaller). Our laws are changing so it should make things more feasible for more breweries. Most metros with a million people or more have dozens of breweries.

We should eventually be able to support 20-30, especially with many of them acting more as brewpubs or tap rooms. I'd guess some restaurants will convert to brewing also to boost revenue (similar to how doubleshot is now brewing beer). Add Doubleshot to the list of local breweries near downtown!

Something about brewpubs makes them feel more positive socially than a bar. They foster fun environments and draw in good kinds of crowds and festive atmospheres. It's a much better alternative for young people to have the option hang out in that rather than a smoky dive bar.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: CharlieSheen on March 16, 2017, 02:40:20 pm
Should be interesting


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: DowntownDan on March 16, 2017, 02:43:36 pm
Would be nice if it was south of the tracks for a change.

I saw that their initial business model will be simply a taproom without distribution so they'll want a lot of walk-in traffic.  My guess is it'll be Brady or East Village near the newest apartment developments.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 16, 2017, 03:10:14 pm
Not been paying attention? http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21472.0 (http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21472.0)


How do these things not show up in my unread posts section...?  Geez...  Nope, did not see that one.  And I just went through all the unreads earlier today...




Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: sgrizzle on March 16, 2017, 03:12:25 pm
Although Spaghetti Warehouse would be a cool space for a brewery plus more.

The thing I liked about Spaghetti Warehouse was the seating capacity. Even if the pope is walking down Archer while the resurrected Beatles are playing the BOK center, you can probably still get a table for 10 with no wait.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: swake on March 16, 2017, 08:38:42 pm
Cherry Street? That area could use a brewpub. Are any of the empty places there large enough?


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Conan71 on March 16, 2017, 08:53:15 pm
FAIK, Kolibri and Nothing's Left Brewing are also still planning to open in the Tulsa area though I've not heard anything about either of those two entries lately.  I do believe High Gravity is planning a tap room at it's new location at 68th & Memorial near Sun & Ski so there's three others not already mentioned.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Breadburner on March 16, 2017, 08:58:51 pm
Is 18th and Boston not getting a brewery.....???


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Conan71 on March 16, 2017, 09:05:22 pm
Is 18th and Boston not getting a brewery.....???

American Solera, it's in the smallish stand alone building east of the fire station.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: swake on March 16, 2017, 10:04:44 pm
American Solera, it's in the smallish stand alone building east of the fire station.

Yeah, the building used to be a catering business. It's just going to be a taproom.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Red Arrow on March 16, 2017, 11:03:21 pm
I do believe High Gravity is planning a tap room at it's new location at 68th & Memorial near Sun & Ski so there's three others not already mentioned.

They are planning a Tap Room.  It's on their gofundme page.
https://www.gofundme.com/highgravitybrew



Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Breadburner on March 17, 2017, 05:57:57 am
Downtown is saturated....Good luck...


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on March 17, 2017, 07:24:33 am
Downtown is saturated....Good luck...

I thought about that but resolved it in the other direction. What makes you think it's saturated?


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: saintnicster on March 17, 2017, 09:31:15 am

How do these things not show up in my unread posts section...?  Geez...  Nope, did not see that one.  And I just went through all the unreads earlier today...
Ah.

It's a hidden in plain sight thing, but when the "unread" page is empty, the blue bar says "No unread topics found since your last visit. Click here to try all unread topics.".  That "click here to try all unread topics" part is actually a link, but not highlighted/underlined like some would expect.  If you have busy days where there were actually multiple pages of unread stuff, it might have been buried.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Breadburner on March 17, 2017, 11:38:03 am
I thought about that but resolved it in the other direction. What makes you think it's saturated?

Places that are there are in the Red.....


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on March 17, 2017, 01:15:56 pm
FAIK, Kolibri and Nothing's Left Brewing are also still planning to open in the Tulsa area though I've not heard anything about either of those two entries lately.  I do believe High Gravity is planning a tap room at it's new location at 68th & Memorial near Sun & Ski so there's three others not already mentioned.

Ah! Kolibri and Nothing's Left were the two I had heard about but had forgotten their names!

What is FAIK? I haven't heard of that and couldn't find anything searching for FAIK Tulsa brewery.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on March 17, 2017, 01:25:09 pm
Places that are there are in the Red.....

It does seem saturated both in drinks and food. When you go to just about any of the non-"pillar" restaurants on a weekday evening and they're mostly empty (The pillars of downtown food places that are really popular such as McNellies, Laffa, Prairie brewpub, Dilly Diner, Chimera, etc seem to have business every time I go). Plus there are so many bars and places to get a drink, I wonder how they can all stay in business, especially with how nice a lot of them are like the Bull in the Alley or Mixco.

It must be tough to compete with so many new places opening up in a relatively short span. Luckys was great the few times we went there but never went back because there are just so many other places to go.

American Solera is popular enough with a cult-following that I think they can succeed at 18th & Boston, especially with revenue from beer sales elsewhere helping to whether any storms. Plus that is becoming a niche of the "Best of Tulsa" with the best coffee (Doubleshot), the best BBQ (Burn Co.) and now the best (rated) beer company in Oklahoma.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on March 17, 2017, 01:27:35 pm
Is 18th and Boston not getting a brewery.....???

As far as I understand it, they plan to brew really small batches there.

American Solera is already a microbrewery making small batches at their west 21st st location, so maybe the 18th and boston will be a nano-brewery!  :D


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on March 17, 2017, 03:52:40 pm


What is FAIK? I haven't heard of that and couldn't find anything searching for FAIK Tulsa brewery.

"Far As I Know..." Don't worry. Took me a minute, too.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: DowntownDan on March 18, 2017, 12:14:22 pm
My shot in the dark guess at location is the bottom floor of East End Village (old Bill White Chevy).  The glass covered corner is perfect for a taproom and it would seem there is plenty of space in other areas of that ground floor for a brewhouse. 


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: MostSeriousness on March 20, 2017, 10:30:05 am
What about next to Classic Cigar Lounge in the Brady? I've seen construction over there, and thought it would be a restaurant/extension of Classic. But maybe it's a good little brewery spot?


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: hello on March 20, 2017, 10:41:09 am
I hope not. I hate having to walk by the smokers sitting on the patio. Waste of the patios on that block.  :-\


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: shavethewhales on March 20, 2017, 12:27:22 pm
I'm also worried about the market being flooded with all these new taphouses, but it's a good problem to have. We've come a long way from just a few years ago.

Now is the time for all these places to really start diversifying more. Prairie has some good food, Elgin park has its pizza, McNellie's has the Irish pub thing down, there's the Max with the games angle, etc. etc. It's going to get interesting trying to find something to entice customers now that all the obvious concepts have been taken up. I mean, other than good beer...


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: CharlieSheen on March 20, 2017, 12:39:30 pm
As far as I understand it, they plan to brew really small batches there.

American Solera is already a microbrewery making small batches at their west 21st st location, so maybe the 18th and boston will be a nano-brewery!  :D

If they brewed anything it will be miniscule. I think the deal is that they put some barrels there and there might be things fermented there or aged there but not necessarily brewed there.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: CharlieSheen on March 20, 2017, 12:53:28 pm
I'm also worried about the market being flooded with all these new taphouses, but it's a good problem to have. We've come a long way from just a few years ago.

Now is the time for all these places to really start diversifying more. Prairie has some good food, Elgin park has its pizza, McNellie's has the Irish pub thing down, there's the Max with the games angle, etc. etc. It's going to get interesting trying to find something to entice customers now that all the obvious concepts have been taken up. I mean, other than good beer...


The taphouses end up basically just being bars that make their own product.  I think they end up making an extra $1 or so every beer they sell over a normal bar.  Their biggest expense of Welltown is going to be their rent.  If you get a building large enough to put a full production brewery and then just put a tap room in it you are wasting a ton of money. The market is a little saturated and we are already seeing things getting revamped. Electric Circus is getting redone, I'm assuming its going to be a concept change as well.  Enso just had a remodel. Etc Etc.  There aren't a bunch of new people yet to partake in all the new restaurants and bars.  I think the money is just getting spread out more. If the new places aren't cannibalizing existing downtown locations they are pulling from someplace else in the city. Maybe people will travel into the city and eat JUST because a new place opened.  But I generally think they are coming from out of town and will eat anywhere downtown not just one spot.  You also have several places that have Kaiser subsidized rent below market prices.  So the tap house will have to compete with that if they are by the Brady as well.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Conan71 on March 20, 2017, 09:40:19 pm
What about next to Classic Cigar Lounge in the Brady? I've seen construction over there, and thought it would be a restaurant/extension of Classic. But maybe it's a good little brewery spot?

The cigar bar next to Hey Mambo! Hasn't done Hey Mambo! any favors.  There is an unmistakeable cigar odor in HM which is simply off-putting.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on April 05, 2017, 04:36:23 pm
They have announced they will be here (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1566678,-95.9951487,3a,75.1y,151.41h,88.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRE1rMAf1N_YaDFftEqT39g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), corner of Cheyenne & Archer.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on April 17, 2017, 09:46:00 am
They have announced they will be here (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1566678,-95.9951487,3a,75.1y,151.41h,88.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRE1rMAf1N_YaDFftEqT39g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), corner of Cheyenne & Archer.

I would never have guessed that spot,  but seems like a pretty good off the beaten path location. Pretty close to what some would call the shady part of downtown, but still technically in the Brady Arts District. It feels like the Brady sort of dies right there. I'm guessing they'll have to be a destination brewery at that spot. It'll need to be an experience with a cult following and great beer or it'll be tough to pay rent and stay open there. I doubt they'll get many people walking by or stumbling upon it there, especially on week nights. Building looks neat!

I hope that can help push development that way and down Cheyenne. Several neat old  brick facade buildings around there that have potential to be great urban developments. Would be neat to see the big parking lot between the Brady Theatre and there get developed. With the new Juvenile Detention Center going in nearby and the existing services already west of there, this is about as far west as the Brady District could ever go.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: BKDotCom on April 17, 2017, 11:28:57 am
I would never have guessed that spot,  but seems like a pretty good off the beaten path location. Pretty close to what some would call the shady part of downtown, but still technically in the Brady Arts District. It feels like the Brady sort of dies right there. I'm guessing they'll have to be a destination brewery at that spot. It'll need to be an experience with a cult following and great beer or it'll be tough to pay rent and stay open there. I doubt they'll get many people walking by or stumbling upon it there, especially on week nights. Building looks neat!

I hope that can help push development that way and down Cheyenne. Several neat old  brick facade buildings around there that have potential to be great urban developments. Would be neat to see the big parking lot between the Brady Theatre and there get developed. With the new Juvenile Detention Center going in nearby and the existing services already west of there, this is about as far west as the Brady District could ever go.

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Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: DowntownDan on April 17, 2017, 01:47:25 pm
Seems like a huge investment to buildout that old structure and will need to draw people into the tap room for revenue.  I really hope it works.  If their stuff is good, I'll support it best I can with my drinking dollars.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Conan71 on April 17, 2017, 03:25:48 pm
Gene Collins has a reputation as a very good brewer in the Tulsa home brewing community.  We will see how that translates on a commercial scale.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on April 24, 2017, 09:59:58 pm
Kendall-Whittier getting a brewery: Heirloom Rustic Ales.*

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/scene/whattheale/what-the-ale-kendall-whittier-district-is-getting-a-brewery/article_32b4fa07-f2b4-56b0-ad30-51d811439f59.html

Since we've lately had some calls for better thread management, I'll pose this to the group: should this development get its own thread? Keep it here? Put it in Kendall-Whittier/6th&Lewis Demolition? Or start a thread on the number crop of craft breweries we're getting?

*No known connection to Rustic Cuff.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: DowntownDan on April 25, 2017, 08:00:42 am
I think each is worthy of its own thread.  I like that they have mostly thus far gone up within a relatively close radius of one another.  We can probably support a full blown Tulsa Brewery Tour within a couple of years.  Uber downtown, bus around the various breweries over a day, end back downtown, Uber home.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on April 25, 2017, 09:20:45 am
Kendall-Whittier getting a brewery: Heirloom Rustic Ales.*

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/scene/whattheale/what-the-ale-kendall-whittier-district-is-getting-a-brewery/article_32b4fa07-f2b4-56b0-ad30-51d811439f59.html

Since we've lately had some calls for better thread management, I'll pose this to the group: should this development get its own thread? Keep it here? Put it in Kendall-Whittier/6th&Lewis Demolition? Or start a thread on the number crop of craft breweries we're getting?

*No known connection to Rustic Cuff.

There's so many craft breweries/brewpubs opening around downtown/Pearl/Kendall areas that I think they deserve a thread for that. This thread works for that purpose if the title could change to "New Breweries/Brewpubs in midtown". With each brewpub, they aren't big projects like the Gathering Place or Santa Fe Square so we won't get many updates except for when they announce it and when it is finished so a thread for each would just clog up this board.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on April 25, 2017, 09:24:40 am
Marshall Brewing Company purchased a building on 6th street (1742 E 6th st) which they might eventually turn into a tap room.

Lets hope they can expand production and have big enough crowds to warrant renovating that into a tap room as that would be yet another rehabbed old facade building boosting the area.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 25, 2017, 09:55:26 am
Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa...


Always hate to rain on a parade...
Is this really that big a thing we got going?  Seems like a disproportionate amount of time/energy/money spent on the topic.  Beer and pizza is truly a great thing...well, along with many other foods.  Are there really enough people into this to support what seems to be a fairly large number of micro-breweries??   If there are, that's great, but getting a feeling it is being way over-hyped.

Just curious...



Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on April 25, 2017, 10:35:45 am
Here is an updated list of all breweries/brewpubs existing or planned in midtown/downtown:

1. Marshall (618 S Wheeling Ave) - currently open with potential expansion at 1742 E 6th st

2. Dead Armadillo (1004 E 4th St) - currently open

3. Prairie Brew Pub (223 N Main St) - currently open

4. Elgin Park Brewpub (325 E Mathew B. Brady St) - currently open

5. Renaissance (1147 S Lewis Ave) - under construction - to open soon

6. Taproom for American Solera (108 E 18 ST S) - Chase Healey who founded Prairie Artisan Ales - potentially with small-batch brewing (Existing brewery open on west 21st)

7. Willow Family Ales (418 S Peoria Ave) - at former Park in the Pearl - under construction

8. Cabin Boys (1717 E 7th St) - Pearl District

9. Welltown Brewery (114 W Archer St) - corner of Cheyenne & Archer

10. Heirloom Rustic Ales (2113 E. Admiral Blvd.) - Kendall-Whittier - under construction

11. Hanson (302 N Boston Ave) - brewery across from Prairie brewpub - last heard it was in planning with pretty far out date (2018)

I ordered them by opening date (or by estimated open date) as best as I could.

Other breweries planning to open in Tulsa area: FAIK (Far As I Know), Kolibri and Nothing's Left Brewing, High Gravity Taproom at 68th & Memorial, Indian Brewing Company at 333 W Dallas St Broken Arrow

Other brewpubs in Tulsa area: Bricktown Brewery (Owasso, Brookside & South Tulsa)

Excluding the Bricktown locations, that's a total of 16 places built or planned where you can buy beer straight from the source in the Tulsa area. 4 years ago there were zero.

Are there any others I am missing?


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on April 25, 2017, 10:52:37 am
Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa...


Always hate to rain on a parade...
Is this really that big a thing we got going?  Seems like a disproportionate amount of time/energy/money spent on the topic.  Beer and pizza is truly a great thing...well, along with many other foods.  Are there really enough people into this to support what seems to be a fairly large number of micro-breweries??   If there are, that's great, but getting a feeling it is being way over-hyped.

Just curious...


Pre-prohibition there were over four thousand breweries around the US. Afterwards, only a few hundred existed and thanks to consolidation and aggressive macro breweries with lawmakers in their pockets, the number dwindled to less than 90 in the 70s & 80s! Now there are thousands again, finally more than before the prohibition despite over two hundred million more people.

Tulsa has been so drastically far behind other cities due to prohibition-era laws in place. As those are getting lifted, the market for local craft beer is finally being met. After all of these on the above list are opened, we will have about as many as much smaller cities like Springfield, MO or Fayetteville (but still fewer than the extended Bentonville-Rogers-Springdale-Fayetteville area which is still much smaller than Tulsa). OKC is also far ahead of Tulsa with breweries.

Craft beers are a huge hobby. So many delicious styles and variations. Craft brewing has exploded because of this. It cultivates a great community environment at the brewpubs. It's not like a dark noisy smelly bar full of obnoxious drunks. They typically have great patios, games, interesting people and a laid back but festive atmosphere (food trucks, live music). If you haven't been, maybe go see what it's like first. Most the time I go, I only have 1 beer and a snack. It's about spending time with others who appreciate similar things. Currently, they have to close early (7/8pm) so getting drunk there isn't really much of a thing either.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 25, 2017, 11:18:35 am
Pre-prohibition there were over four thousand breweries around the US. Afterwards, only a few hundred existed and thanks to consolidation and aggressive macro breweries with lawmakers in their pockets, the number dwindled to less than 90 in the 70s & 80s! Now there are thousands again, finally more than before the prohibition despite over two hundred million more people.

Tulsa has been so drastically far behind other cities due to prohibition-era laws in place. As those are getting lifted, the market for local craft beer is finally being met. After all of these on the above list are opened, we will have about as many as much smaller cities like Springfield, MO or Fayetteville (but still fewer than the extended Bentonville-Rogers-Springdale-Fayetteville area which is still much smaller than Tulsa). OKC is also far ahead of Tulsa with breweries.

Craft beers are a huge hobby. So many delicious styles and variations. Craft brewing has exploded because of this. It cultivates a great community environment at the brewpubs. It's not like a dark noisy smelly bar full of obnoxious drunks. They typically have great patios, games, interesting people and a laid back but festive atmosphere (food trucks, live music). If you haven't been, maybe go see what it's like first. Most the time I go, I only have 1 beer and a snack. It's about spending time with others who appreciate similar things. Currently, they have to close early (7/8pm) so getting drunk there isn't really much of a thing either.


I am not condemning - just asking for the answer you just gave!  Yeah, may have to start going.  I found a chain restaurant/bar/grill in Milwaukee - Rock Bottom - that I enjoy quite a bit.  They had a homemade dark beer they said was brewed without hops - or at least very minimal.  It was magnificent!!  Only problem was they rotate it through the list and the next couple of times I was there it was not available.  Still waiting for it to rotate back through.




Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on April 25, 2017, 12:28:03 pm
There's so many craft breweries/brewpubs opening around downtown/Pearl/Kendall areas that I think they deserve a thread for that. This thread works for that purpose if the title could change to "New Breweries/Brewpubs in midtown". With each brewpub, they aren't big projects like the Gathering Place or Santa Fe Square so we won't get many updates except for when they announce it and when it is finished so a thread for each would just clog up this board.

I tend to agree. Mods, can y'all change the name of this thread?


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on April 25, 2017, 01:04:06 pm
No such thing as too many micro brews. There are 230 here in Beervana, sorry I meant Oregon, and they account for almost 25% of all the beer consumed in the state and there are not that many more here than in Oklahoma, maybe 100k people more.

http://oregoncraftbeer.org/facts/ (http://oregoncraftbeer.org/facts/)


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Conan71 on April 25, 2017, 03:57:03 pm
There are 52 member breweries of the New Mexico Brewer’s Guild.  Within a 50 mile radius of our place, there are 7 or 8, expand that to 100 miles and it becomes 20+ breweries.

Santa Fe has a population of 70,000, they have 10 breweries or brewpubs

Taos has a population of less than 6000, they have five breweries or brewpubs in the immediate vicinity though four of those are owned by Taos Mesa Brewing and I suspect the ones in the village proper and the ski valley are merely tap rooms supplied by their primary brewery out near the gorge.

Granted, these are touristy areas so you do have more additional income coming in from other areas to try the craft beers.  It could be easy to call craft beer a fad, but it really has become more of a cultural thing which does go back to pre-prohibition when breweries were a neighborhood or regional attraction.  When Tulsa Brewing Company and Cherry St. Brewery opened in Tulsa in the 1990’s craft brewing was somewhat of a novelty.  The industry is on solid footing now. 

I keep thinking we’ve reached a saturation point with breweries, yet more keep opening.  So long as a brewery makes a good product and develops a loyal following, it’s a license to print money.  Without on-site distribution, I doubt we’d see the current expansion of breweries in the Tulsa area.  A brewery can make a lot of money with a 10bbl or less system if the majority of their sales are from their brewery rather than wholesaling.  The mark up in a pint of beer is pretty astounding considering most session beers can be brewed at +/- .50 a pint.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on April 25, 2017, 04:15:49 pm
For those of us who weren't old enough to notice, can someone provide a bit of background on Tulsa Brewing Company and Cherry St. Brewery? Where were they located? Why did they close? I wonder if there's any chance of someone buying the name and reviving the concept.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on April 25, 2017, 05:20:16 pm
For those of us who weren't old enough to notice, can someone provide a bit of background on Tulsa Brewing Company and Cherry St. Brewery? Where were they located? Why did they close? I wonder if there's any chance of someone buying the name and reviving the concept.

Tulsa Brewing Company was at 73rd & Memorial where Lanna Thai is. IIRC it was only open about three years. The food was pretty good but my favorite was the Tornado Alley Porter. They had a rotation of I think 6 or 8 beers depending on the time of year, and all of them were named for something in the area. They had a fall beer named after the state fair, can't remember the others.

Cherry Street was at 15th & Peoria in Lincoln Plaza and I think it was where Jason's Deli is now. Never went there when it was open, some friends did and found it to be too yuppie/preppie drink with your pinky in the air type place. (Can't vouch for that as true, was just a rumor I heard)  ;D


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Conan71 on April 25, 2017, 06:32:12 pm
The Cherry Street Brewery was the crown jewell of the Lincoln Plaza development.  It was in the same building Jason’s Deli occupies now and, IIRC, it took up the entire building.

I believe their issues mainly surrounded the food service, based on the company overhauling its kitchen six months in (first link), that’s pretty telling.  I don’t recall anything remarkable about any of their beers but I wasn’t really much of a craft beer snob at the time.

They did have a novel idea in marketing the place.  They sold shares at $5 apiece with the goal of raising $1 million.  The idea was with shareholders they would have built in clientele and they couldn’t fail.  I was still ad director at Urban Tulsa at that time so I was usually pretty in the know about most anything happening in the restaurant and bar scene at the time.  I went to a reception at Patterson-Icenogle which was doing the stock offering and was amazed at how well attended it was.  I do recall one person I was chatting with at the reception saying he thought the stock offering idea wasn’t so sound as you would have the potential for thousands of “pains in the as$” if their food or beer wasn’t just right.

I don’t recall how long CSB lasted but I don’t believe it made it a full two years trying several management changes along the way, it was a disaster from day 1.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/cherry-street-brewery-gets-new-operator/article_023f3ca9-fe75-5365-b49e-f38e9b5bedc8.html

http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/the-aging-process-cherry-st-brewery-survives-delays-to-opening/article_a1fbbabf-21e4-5c23-9840-d19f469953e1.html

Well look at that, here’s what I wrote about it in 2009:

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=13706.65;wap2

Still no idea why Tulsa Brewing Co. went out.  It’s main principle had been a successful restaurateur having owned the Hoffbrau House previously.  It may have simply been time for him to get out.  As I recall, the food and beer were better received at TBC.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: joiei on April 25, 2017, 07:21:46 pm
Some facebook sites to check out concerning Tulsa and Oklahoma and beer

https://www.facebook.com/events/1729671924029195/ (https://www.facebook.com/events/1729671924029195/)

https://www.facebook.com/TulsaCraftBeerWeek/ (https://www.facebook.com/TulsaCraftBeerWeek/)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/OKLTCB/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/OKLTCB/)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/386289678225544/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/386289678225544/)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1591022124459858/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1591022124459858/)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/craftbarrel/?multi_permalinks=1308841212497272&notif_t=group_activity&notif_id=1493159798780213 (https://www.facebook.com/groups/craftbarrel/?multi_permalinks=1308841212497272&notif_t=group_activity&notif_id=1493159798780213)

When any of the breweries have a release at the brewery only; like Prairie in Krebs people show up from as far as Dallas, especially if it is a Bomb! or derivation of Bomb! especially Pirate Bomb!  Back when Prairie was here in Tulsa, it was not unusual to meet brewers from other craft beers who had made the trip just to go to the brewery.  I have met people from all over the USA at Prairie, now American Solera, who were in Tulsa just for the beer. 

Prairie is best known for their stouts,  American Solera for their sours and fruits, over in Midwest City, Roughtail is blowing out the IPAs

There are breweries opening in Tahlequah, Ponca City, Norman, Lawton and other places in Oklahoma.

Put down the Fat Tire and go support our locals. 




Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on September 22, 2017, 07:43:07 am
Crazy that now there are 13 breweries/taprooms planned or open within a couple miles of downtown. All in an easily bicyclable-path. In the Pearl District, there will be 3 or 4 you can walk to.

Here is an updated list of all breweries/brewpubs existing or planned in midtown/downtown:

1. Marshall (618 S Wheeling Ave) - currently open with potential expansion at 1742 E 6th st

2. Dead Armadillo (1004 E 4th St) - currently open

2.a Dead Armadillo taproom & restaurant at Tulsa International Airport - currently open

3. Prairie Brew Pub (223 N Main St) - currently open

4. Elgin Park Brewpub (325 E Mathew B. Brady St) - currently open

5. High Gravity Homebrewing & Winemaking Supplies & Taproom (6808 S. Memorial) - currently open

6. Renaissance (1147 S Lewis Ave) - under construction - to open soon

7. Taproom for American Solera (108 E 18 ST S) - Chase Healey who founded Prairie Artisan Ales - potentially with small-batch brewing (Existing brewery open on west 21st)

8. Willow Family Ales (418 S Peoria Ave) - at former Park in the Pearl - under construction

9. Cabin Boys (1717 E 7th St) - Pearl District

10. Welltown Brewery (114 W Archer St) - corner of Cheyenne & Archer

11. Heirloom Rustic Ales (2113 E. Admiral Blvd.) - Kendall-Whittier - under construction - plan to open fall 2017

12. Nothing's Left Brewing (1501 E. Sixth St.) - plan to open March 2018

13. Hanson (302 N Boston Ave) - brewery across from Prairie brewpub - last heard it was in planning with pretty far out date (2018)

I ordered them by opening date (or by estimated open date) as best as I could.

Other breweries planning to open in Tulsa area: FAIK (Far As I Know), Kolibri and Indian Brewing Company at 333 W Dallas St Broken Arrow

Other brewpubs in Tulsa area: Bricktown Brewery (Owasso, Brookside & South Tulsa)

Excluding the Bricktown Brewery locations, that's a total of 17 places built or planned where you can buy beer straight from the source in the Tulsa area. 4 years ago there were zero.


Also related, Red Fork Distillery is going to open at 3310 Southwest Blvd.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on September 22, 2017, 07:49:07 am
Also related, Red Fork Distillery is going to open at 3310 Southwest Blvd.


And the winery in the East Village


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: BKDotCom on September 22, 2017, 08:06:30 am
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Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: TeeDub on September 22, 2017, 08:15:20 am
You can add the Indian brewing company in downtown BA.

Nevemind, missed that on the list...


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: rebound on September 22, 2017, 09:54:22 am
Glad it made the list, but High Gravity is at 71 & Memorial,  not exactly "within a couple of miles of downtown".

Great list though.  I may have to do a beer tour this weekend.   


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Conan71 on September 22, 2017, 10:00:30 am
Glad it made the list, but High Gravity is at 71 & Memorial,  not exactly "within a couple of miles of downtown".

Great list though.  I may have to do a beer tour this weekend.   

I may be in town by then, might have to join you.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: rebound on September 22, 2017, 11:04:43 am
I may be in town by then, might have to join you.

Text me.  Would be great if it works out.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on September 22, 2017, 02:57:42 pm
Glad it made the list, but High Gravity is at 71 & Memorial,  not exactly "within a couple of miles of downtown".

Great list though.  I may have to do a beer tour this weekend.   

Oh yeah, I added High Gravity after the fact and took out Bricktown Brewery because it doesn't really count because they don't brew on site or in town. Also, Tulsa Airport isn't that close either.

So, 11 places to be serving their own beer within a couple miles of downtown.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: cannon_fodder on September 27, 2017, 06:58:19 am
BY way of an update, I walked by yesterday and they have switched from deconstruction to construction mode.  The brick facade is back up and it looks like they are putting on a new roof.


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: AdamsHall on September 27, 2017, 09:58:51 am
BY way of an update, I walked by yesterday and they have switched from deconstruction to construction mode.  The brick facade is back up and it looks like they are putting on a new roof.

I have been watching the Welltown site too.  Not sure why they have done some of the things they have done, but work continues.  Hope they were not having to individually wash the bricks ... I understand that is time consuming.   ;D


Title: Re: Yet another brewery in Downtown Tulsa: Welltown
Post by: Yuppertin on October 02, 2017, 01:29:17 am
I'm not going to say no to a brewery...;)