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Title: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: swake on December 07, 2016, 01:25:54 pm
That is all folks....


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Townsend on December 07, 2016, 01:28:40 pm
And here is more:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/us/politics/scott-pruitt-epa-trump.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/us/politics/scott-pruitt-epa-trump.html?_r=0)

The Earth is going to die


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on December 07, 2016, 01:49:36 pm
What could possibly go wrong?

(http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/MAD-Magazine-Alfred-E-Neuman-Norman-Mingo.jpg)


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: cannon_fodder on December 07, 2016, 02:11:38 pm
Lets see if I have this right...

- Head of the EPA thinks the EPA has no place in government and seems to have covered up the link of the energy industry to earthquakes
- Head of education thinks public education is a hindrance to society when public money could go to religious schools (but hey, she also inherited tons of money and gave a lot o the Donald, right?).
- The Defense Secretary is a retired general nicknamed "mad dog" who was discharged by the DOD (guy could be a great general, but civilian control of the DOD is kind of important).
- DHS secretary is another retired general, who used to run Guantanamo Bay
- National security adviser is a retired general known for conspiracy theories, his subordinates called "Flynn facts," before he was discharged fro the DOD. Tried to get his son security clearance before he seems to have unapologetically inspired an attack on a pizza parlor over a conspiracy theory. Criticized for anti-Muslim rhetoric.
- The CIA director thinks we need a database connecting all information on all citizens and seems to think that the 4th Amendment is a hindrance to democracy. Criticized for anti-Muslim rhetoric.
- His HUD director has acknowledged having no experience in government, running a huge organization, or anything that HUD actually does ($60bil agency with ~10k employees!).
- The attorney general was OK with the KKK, until he learned they smoked pot. Because racism is cool and he has a zero rating with Human Rights watch, but no good people smoke pot. Wants to double down on the failed war on drugs, mandatory minimums, etc.
- And his White House adviser is famous for running a bombastic website (recall all the concern with fake news recently?) that he brags is the voice of the alt-right (code for white nationalists).

Add to that list the fact that a good percentage (all?) of his picks are loyalists, long time political insiders (drain the swamp!), and/or Wall Street "wolves." Fill up that swamp!

I heard Hoffa for Labor Secretary.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Ibanez on December 07, 2016, 02:20:54 pm
At least he's out of Oklahoma?

Trying to find a silver lining here......


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on December 07, 2016, 02:28:18 pm
At least he's out of Oklahoma?

Trying to find a silver lining here......

If he could just make Crazy Mary and Mike Ritze go away now.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on December 07, 2016, 04:54:37 pm
If he could just make Crazy Mary and Mike Ritze go away now.

Im predicting an earthquake or twenty, and having to get used to the taste of Arkansas chicken poop in the water.
Think he will abandon suing Colorado for Being Another State or just pass the baton?


What if the President-elect nominates someone whose career has been dedicated to undermining the agency he has been chosen to lead, and opposing the laws he would be asked to enforce?

 Effective and efficient environmental rules, however, have not been Pruitt’s focus. Instead, he has made attacking environmental protection the cornerstone of his political career. Since becoming Oklahoma’s attorney general five years ago, Pruitt has tried to stop national efforts to reduce soot and smog pollution that crosses interstate lines. He has sued EPA to stop limits on emissions of toxic mercury, arsenic, acid gases and other toxic pollutants from power plants. He has sought to block efforts to improve air quality in national parks and wilderness areas. Each time, he has failed, with courts dismissing his arguments and confirming EPA’s legal and scientific views.

Pruitt characterizes these legal challenges as a righteous assault on overweening federal power. But their real impact would have been simply to allow the powerful to pollute without legal consequence — while doing real harm to American families. The common-sense efforts he sought block are cutting pollution, saving lives, preventing dangerous brain-development issues in children, reducing asthma attacks and increasing worker productivity.

Pruitt also doubts the established science of climate change. He has questioned “the degree and extent of global warming and its connection to the actions of mankind.” That would make him perhaps the only national environmental chief in the world to hold that view. It is a position at odds with overwhelming scientific consensus, majority American opinion and the views of most leading corporations.


http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/scott-pruitt-threat-article-1.2902332




Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on December 07, 2016, 06:21:20 pm
Im predicting an earthquake or twenty, and having to get used to the taste of Arkansas chicken poop in the water.
Think he will abandon suing Colorado for Being Another State or just pass the baton?


What if the President-elect nominates someone whose career has been dedicated to undermining the agency he has been chosen to lead, and opposing the laws he would be asked to enforce?

 Effective and efficient environmental rules, however, have not been Pruitt’s focus. Instead, he has made attacking environmental protection the cornerstone of his political career. Since becoming Oklahoma’s attorney general five years ago, Pruitt has tried to stop national efforts to reduce soot and smog pollution that crosses interstate lines. He has sued EPA to stop limits on emissions of toxic mercury, arsenic, acid gases and other toxic pollutants from power plants. He has sought to block efforts to improve air quality in national parks and wilderness areas. Each time, he has failed, with courts dismissing his arguments and confirming EPA’s legal and scientific views.

Pruitt characterizes these legal challenges as a righteous assault on overweening federal power. But their real impact would have been simply to allow the powerful to pollute without legal consequence — while doing real harm to American families. The common-sense efforts he sought block are cutting pollution, saving lives, preventing dangerous brain-development issues in children, reducing asthma attacks and increasing worker productivity.

Pruitt also doubts the established science of climate change. He has questioned “the degree and extent of global warming and its connection to the actions of mankind.” That would make him perhaps the only national environmental chief in the world to hold that view. It is a position at odds with overwhelming scientific consensus, majority American opinion and the views of most leading corporations.


http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/scott-pruitt-threat-article-1.2902332




I believe he was also instrumental in crafting the language for sh1tburger SQ-777.  Based on his record, I’m pretty certain he was all for that measure.

I’m still not entirely taken in by man-made global warming climate change climate phenomena.  Mostly because that has become an industry unto itself and it’s been over-politicized.  I don’t see the harm though in reducing emissions and being better stewards of the earth wherever practical and/or critical to do so.  

Appointing someone with common sense to run the EPA would be a great idea.  Appointing someone who is a flat-earther on anything environmental is very much a bad idea just as it would be a bad idea to appoint someone who only has draconian notions of regulation.  We got the flat-earther.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: RecycleMichael on December 07, 2016, 08:35:22 pm
Scott Pruitt to head EPA is like asking a dingo to watch your baby.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 07, 2016, 08:42:50 pm
All the people who voted for Trump are probably gonna be surprised that the won't get what they wanted or thought they were gonna get.   But they WILL get what they deserve.   Sadly, the rest of us will also be afflicted....


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Hoss on December 07, 2016, 08:46:05 pm
Scott Pruitt to head EPA is like asking a dingo to watch your baby.



Great John Oliver reference.  He said that about the incoming FCC commissioner in 2014.

https://youtu.be/fpbOEoRrHyU?t=6m41s

The link takes you to the spot in the piece where the reference is made, but the whole segment is funny.  And some of it is NSFW.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Hoss on December 07, 2016, 08:49:15 pm
All the people who voted for Trump are probably gonna be surprised that the won't get what they wanted or thought they were gonna get.   But they WILL get what they deserve.   Sadly, the rest of us will also be afflicted....


Here are some of those 'surprised people'.  LOL.

https://trumpgrets.tumblr.com/


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 07, 2016, 08:52:55 pm
Here are some of those 'surprised people'.  LOL.

https://trumpgrets.tumblr.com/


Just the beginning.  When blue collar folk start to figure out what he is gonna do to them....


Mark Levin - LOL !!   Love it.  Right up there with Tomi Lahren for Biggest Loser.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: cannon_fodder on December 08, 2016, 09:02:38 am
This is going to come as a huge shocker, but THEY DONT CARE.  Trump is their team, that's it, nothing more.  Most of them don't care about his policies or what they mean.  Facts don't matter.  Hypocrisy doesn't matter.  That they know he said X to them and went down the street and said Y, doesn't matter.  If you're an OU supporter, Mixon just defended himself.  If you waive an orange flag on gameday, Mixon is a monster who shouldn't be allowed to play.  Go team!

So many won't even realize that he has gone from "drain the swamp" to filing DC up with Gold-Man-Sacks execs, political elites, and generals who were forced out after decades in Washington.  They have no clue what  Secretary is or does. They don't have any notion of what is "normal" for a cabinet post or that these people are usually imminently qualified, not patronage positions (that's why we have a ambassador to New Zealand, right?).

So you can grab a Trumpster by the toe and point out that he is stuffing the swamp to the brim. That he wants to trounce States under a stronger Federal government (already talking about removing states ability to regulate conceal carry, rolling back legalized marijuana, etc.). That he has already rewarded companies with socialists tax breaks while making fun of the union representing the workers. or that nearly every economist (as well as the GSA) indicates his economic policy proposed is a net loss for most Americans, but makes the top 5-10% boatloads of money.

Walk up to a Trumpster and show them these facts, it won't matter at all.  Team Trump 110% baby!

Like the caller to KRMG said on the radio this morning, "Scott Pruitt will do a much better job running the EPA than Al Gore did."  Reality doesn't matter...


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: AquaMan on December 08, 2016, 09:33:56 am
We are among the leader states in exporting Idiocracy.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Tulsa Zephyr on December 08, 2016, 11:12:36 am
Just wait until he nominates Sally Kern to the Supreme Court   :o


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on December 08, 2016, 11:16:52 am
All the people who voted for Trump are probably gonna be surprised that the won't get what they wanted or thought they were gonna get.   But they WILL get what they deserve.   Sadly, the rest of us will also be afflicted....



If we all go down together, Trump can take credit for unifying the country.

Meanwhile, Pruitt's corruption is astounding:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/us/politics/energy-firms-in-secretive-alliance-with-attorneys-general.html

Oklahoma’s Attorney General Misled Supreme Court About Letter On Execution Drug Availability
https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrismcdaniel/oklahomas-attorney-general-misled-supreme-court-about-letter






Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: BKDotCom on December 08, 2016, 01:56:16 pm
Quote
Uncertain about climate change because it has become over-politicized

Being over-politicized doesn't change any of the facts or data.
The ones "politicizing" it are the likes of Scott Pruitt

Trump has said he wants to throw out all of NASAs climate-change research because it's too "politicized".
As opposed to wanting to throw it out because of bad data, methods, conclusions, etc.
Making something political and then dismissing it because it's been politicized... is...  trump logic.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: swake on December 08, 2016, 02:35:34 pm
Being over-politicized doesn't change any of the facts or data.
The ones "politicizing" it are the likes of Scott Pruitt

Trump has said he wants to throw out all of NASAs climate-change research because it's too "politicized".
As opposed to wanting to throw it out because of bad data, methods, conclusions, etc.
Making something political and then dismissing it because it's been politicized... is...  trump logic.

Trump Logic, my new favorite oxymoron.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Breadburner on December 08, 2016, 06:18:48 pm
T.A.R.D in full effect.....Heh....


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Ibanez on December 08, 2016, 07:11:01 pm
At this point I'm expecting Joseph Hazelwood to be named Secretary of the Navy.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Ed W on December 08, 2016, 07:35:23 pm
He's holding off on the big announcement of Sarah Palin as abassador...wait for it...to Russia.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on December 08, 2016, 08:02:16 pm
He's holding off on the big announcement of Sarah Palin as abassador...wait for it...to Russia.

Hey come on now, she could see Russia from her front porch, ya know.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: cannon_fodder on December 09, 2016, 08:20:19 am
I wonder what all the blue collar union guys in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan think about his choice for labor secretary - Andy Puzder.  He is best known for running the parent company of Carls Junior/Hardees. In general, he opposes anything that seems to be good for workers (higher minimum wage, sick leave, lunch breaks, overtime rules, etc.). His theory is that the only way to save American jobs is to make sure they remain cheap labor or else they will all be replaced.  Ergo, the problem with the American economy is that workers make too much money. That all makes sense, his profits are dependent on cheap labor.

What doesn't make sense is that Trump says the guy has an extensive record fighting for workers... but other than assuring labor remains cheap, no one seems to know exactly what that means.  But, in his defense, he did give lots of money to Donald Trump/his super PACs. Here is what labor has to say about the guy:  "Puzder as labor secretary is like putting Bernie Madoff in charge of the Treasury.”  Basically, in the battle between labor and management, Trump has sided with management, but I assume his "populist" supporters won't notice.

Fun fact:  Trump thinks the BLS (the official staistics on employment) are a "hoax" and the "real" unemployment rate is 42% (of course there were no facts to back this up, because it isn't real).  His new pick will be in charge of the BLS too, so I really hope we "fix" those statistics.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/08/news/economy/andrew-puzder-trump-labor-secretary/
https://mic.com/articles/161681/andrew-puzder-net-worth-here-s-what-we-know-about-the-millionaire-ceo-of-cke-restaurants#.XahCzuDqx
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/08/trump-expected-to-name-fast-food-ceo-andy-puzder-as-pick-for-labor-secretary-source.html



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Ibanez on December 09, 2016, 09:06:56 am
I brought this up with a couple of Trumpsters that I know. One drives for a local company. His response was "I don't know anything about him, but if he has run a business then he knows the problems workers face." Oooooook. Never could get him to understand that running a business does not equal sympathizing with workers and in many cases means quite the opposite.

The other guy, who owns his own business and has 10 or so employees didn't even know there was such a thing as Secretary of Labor.

(http://i.imgur.com/czhHppj.gif)


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: TheArtist on December 09, 2016, 10:50:56 pm
Read an article that noticed how Trumps people were wanting info from some current government agencies like the EPA and were asking questions about the employees that seemed rather disturbing like "What kind of organizations or groups employees belonged to outside of work?" "What kinds of papers, articles, research, etc. had any of them done or had published or peer reviewed." etc.  Basically the context seemed to imply "If you believe X "In climate change for instance" and we find proof of that, you may be out of a job, we may defund that job and or replace you with someone who believes as we do. One was part of an agency that was supposed to non-biased and not political but to simply supply research information upon which to  to inform the public and businesses.  May be that the information we get in the future is "correctly adjusted".


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on December 10, 2016, 10:40:48 am
Read an article that noticed how Trumps people were wanting info from some current government agencies like the EPA and were asking questions about the employees that seemed rather disturbing like "What kind of organizations or groups employees belonged to outside of work?" "What kinds of papers, articles, research, etc. had any of them done or had published or peer reviewed." etc.  Basically the context seemed to imply "If you believe X "In climate change for instance" and we find proof of that, you may be out of a job, we may defund that job and or replace you with someone who believes as we do. One was part of an agency that was supposed to non-biased and not political but to simply supply research information upon which to  to inform the public and businesses.  May be that the information we get in the future is "correctly adjusted".

If this is really the case, one could make a similar inference that it is possible agencies have previously been staffed with people who support a specific agenda.

I’m not defending Trump’s choice of Pruitt to lead the EPA but pointing out if it’s possible to staff an agency to support an agenda now, then it has always been the case.

/tinfoil hat off.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on December 10, 2016, 11:58:05 am
If this is really the case, one could make a similar inference that it is possible agencies have previously been staffed with people who support a specific agenda.

I’m not defending Trump’s choice of Pruitt to lead the EPA but pointing out if it’s possible to staff an agency to support an agenda now, then it has always been the case.

/tinfoil hat off.

Republican President Richard Nixon wanted to give the feds a tool to counter individual state's corruption involving unchecked pollution of our water and air when he created the EPA. 

Some things tend to work better at the federal level.  Printing money, major disaster relief, national defense.  Demanding clean water might be an agenda, but its something most people wouldn't be willing to give up.


William...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/09/trump-transition-team-for-energy-department-seeks-names-of-employees-involved-in-climate-meetings/


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on December 10, 2016, 04:34:03 pm
Republican President Richard Nixon wanted to give the feds a tool to counter individual state's corruption involving unchecked pollution of our water and air when he created the EPA. 

Some things tend to work better at the federal level.  Printing money, major disaster relief, national defense.  Demanding clean water might be an agenda, but its something most people wouldn't be willing to give up.


William...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/09/trump-transition-team-for-energy-department-seeks-names-of-employees-involved-in-climate-meetings/

When it comes to rivers, ground water, and air which all cross state lines it makes sense for federal regulations.  That is until you get a troglodyte like Pruitt trying to help ensure changes to state constitutions to usurp federal authority in terms of air and water.

The silver lining is perhaps we will get a new AG who understands, you know, the law.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Townsend on December 12, 2016, 12:16:53 pm
The silver lining is perhaps we will get a new AG who understands, you know, the law.

I'd have a difficult time placing a wager on this.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: cannon_fodder on December 12, 2016, 12:46:34 pm
Support whatever agenda you want.  My pet peeve is ignoring or manipulating evidence if it doesn't fit your agenda.  There is plenty of ground for making changes to the EPA without having to flat out reject science, let alone passive aggressively threatening people who are actually conducting science ("what?  You did a peer reviewed study that reached a conclusion I don't like!  I demand to know your funding level..."  that's basically telling other researchers what results they better get).

I'm looking forward to the hearings on scientific evidence.  All steps taken by the EPA are supposed to be based on evidence back science (burning coal produces mercury, mercury causes health issues with humans, ergo - regulating mercury output is OK) and there are hearings where that can be challenged.  based on history, Pruitt is willing to argue that stopping Colorado from legalizing marijuana is a matter of Oklahoma's "states rights,"  that the Ten Commandments are in no way religious, and that Federal Preemption isn't a real thing.

So I suspect we have some sad hearings ahead...


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on December 13, 2016, 09:30:52 am

So I suspect we have some sad hearings ahead...

Reminds me of a Cards Against Humanity Card.  I only wish this would be funny.  It won’t.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Vashta Nerada on December 20, 2016, 07:48:57 pm
Reminds me of a Cards Against Humanity Card.  I only wish this would be funny.  It won’t.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/politics/article/It-s-a-tough-time-in-Oklahoma-except-for-Scott-10808432.php


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 22, 2016, 02:21:12 pm
Amidst all the ugliness of the coming years...let's have a little beam of light and hope for better...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj6r3-sQr58



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: AquaMan on December 22, 2016, 03:31:12 pm
Quite nice. Thank you. Italy?


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: BKDotCom on December 22, 2016, 03:37:02 pm
Quite nice. Thank you. Italy?

Barcelona


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on December 26, 2016, 10:03:30 am
based on history, Pruitt is willing to argue that stopping Colorado from legalizing marijuana is a matter of Oklahoma's "states rights,"  that the Ten Commandments are in no way religious, and that Federal Preemption isn't a real thing.


Hes got big swamp money behind him:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/d-c-report-gop-group-pushing-scott-pruitt-s-nomination/article_b090e7d7-30f0-594d-be96-34409e3b0f74.htm




 "It's Got What Plants Crave"


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on February 16, 2017, 09:01:49 pm
Scott Pruitt, President Trump’s EPA Nominee, Ordered to Release Thousands of Emails

Oklahoma County District Judge Aletia Haynes Timmons told Pruitt's office that it would have to hand over the emails to the Center for Media and Democracy, or CMD, which requested the first batch of documents in 2014, or to the court.
But the CMD and Pearson said Pruitt's office intentionally withheld documents. Of the 411 emails it received for its initial request, the investigative group identified 27 that had been provided to The New York Times in a 2014 Pulitzer Prize-winning investigation that revealed that Pruitt had taken fracking rules drafted by Devon Energy, an Oklahoma oil company, and passed them as his own.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/scott-pruitt-president-trump-s-epa-nominee-ordered-release-thousands-n722161


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 17, 2017, 08:03:55 am
Scott Pruitt, President Trump’s EPA Nominee, Ordered to Release Thousands of Emails

Oklahoma County District Judge Aletia Haynes Timmons told Pruitt's office that it would have to hand over the emails to the Center for Media and Democracy, or CMD, which requested the first batch of documents in 2014, or to the court.
But the CMD and Pearson said Pruitt's office intentionally withheld documents. Of the 411 emails it received for its initial request, the investigative group identified 27 that had been provided to The New York Times in a 2014 Pulitzer Prize-winning investigation that revealed that Pruitt had taken fracking rules drafted by Devon Energy, an Oklahoma oil company, and passed them as his own.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/scott-pruitt-president-trump-s-epa-nominee-ordered-release-thousands-n722161



Not quite up to Bush's 22 million emails deleted from a private server hosted in the White House but same process in mind.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: swake on February 17, 2017, 09:01:52 am
He's going to be confirmed today.

Will he be next weeks crisis for the administration as his emails are poured over by the press starting today? I'm guessing so. Trump's vetting processes seem to be lacking. But then, ALL Trump's processes seems to be lacking.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 17, 2017, 10:18:47 am
So at least we will now get the opportunity to resume our spot as #1 in earthquakes - since he says he is gonna remove all regulations from oil companies.   Bring on the injection wells!!


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Townsend on February 17, 2017, 12:40:15 pm
Senate confirmed him


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Ed W on February 17, 2017, 03:48:11 pm
Senate confirmed him

What next? Victoria Jackson for the Department of Education? Oh, wait....


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on February 22, 2017, 12:00:35 pm
Senate confirmed him



OKLAHOMA CITY, Okla. — As a result of an Open Records Act request and lawsuit filed by the Center for Media and Democracy, on Tuesday night the Oklahoma Attorney General’s office released a batch of more than 7,500 pages of emails and other records it withheld prior to Scott Pruitt’s nomination as EPA Administrator last Friday.

The AG’s office has withheld an undetermined number of additional documents as exempted or privileged and submitted them to the Judge Aletia Haynes Timmons for review. A number of other documents were redacted, and CMD will be asking for the court to review those as well. On February 27, the AG’s office has been ordered to deliver records related to five outstanding requests by CMD.

“There is no valid legal justification for the emails we received last night not being released prior to Pruitt’s confirmation vote other than to evade public scrutiny,” said Arn Pearson, general counsel for CMD.


http://www.exposedbycmd.org/Scott-Pruitt-Missing-Emails


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: cannon_fodder on February 22, 2017, 12:04:09 pm
I like how they are patting themselves on the back for transparency after a couple of years and a Court order...

Quote
The office had until 5 p.m. Tuesday to comply with District Judge Aletia Haynes Timmons’s order to turn over emails and other documents to the Wisconsin-based Center for Media and Democracy, which requested the documents more than two years ago under Oklahoma’s Open Records Act.

. . .

“The office went above and beyond what is required under the Open Records Act and produced thousands of additional documents that, but for the court’s order, would typically be considered records outside the scope of the act,” Ferguson said in an emailed statement.

“This broad disclosure should provide affirmation that, despite politically motivated allegations, the office of attorney general remains fully committed to the letter and spirit of the Open Records Act,” Ferguson said.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/usworld/epa-head-scott-pruitt-s-emails-with-energy-companies-to/article_71b58f26-0c26-5ac1-baf1-bef88b749d3f.html


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 22, 2017, 12:57:39 pm

Second post - would this be considered spamming?   Maybe if it weren't so true and pertinent.


https://www.facebook.com/AwarenessAct/videos/1295228900491644/


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 05, 2017, 11:13:29 pm
Fox News destroyed EPA chief Scott Pruitt over climate change
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/03/the-left-and-right-agree-fox-news-destroyed-epa-chief-scott-pruitt-over-climate-change


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: BKDotCom on April 06, 2017, 07:55:36 am
Fox News destroyed EPA chief Scott Pruitt over climate change
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/03/the-left-and-right-agree-fox-news-destroyed-epa-chief-scott-pruitt-over-climate-change


Fox News of all places.

Why's he using a Tulsa backdrop.   I don't want him associated with Tulsa.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: swake on April 06, 2017, 10:06:35 am
Fox News of all places.

Why's he using a Tulsa backdrop.   I don't want him associated with Tulsa.

Well he's from here and apparently spends a good deal of time here now. I saw him at my son's lacrosse game a couple of weeks ago. His son plays for Cascia. Maybe he's not popular at the actual EPA?


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 06, 2017, 11:58:50 am
Well he's from here and apparently spends a good deal of time here now. I saw him at my son's lacrosse game a couple of weeks ago. His son plays for Cascia. Maybe he's not popular at the actual EPA?

The "lets give him a chance" crowd hang on the belief that he will surround himself with smarter people, but who picks the smarter people?


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Townsend on April 06, 2017, 12:23:36 pm
The "lets give him a chance" crowd hang on the belief that he will surround himself with smarter people, but who picks the smarter people?

Did you know that there is a Kremlin, Oklahoma?


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 06, 2017, 02:05:17 pm
The "lets give him a chance" crowd hang on the belief that he will surround himself with smarter people, but who picks the smarter people?


Trick question...?

Not Trump...universal answer.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: swake on April 06, 2017, 03:55:23 pm
The "lets give him a chance" crowd hang on the belief that he will surround himself with smarter people, but who picks the smarter people?

This makes no sense. Scott Pruitt is a very well known quantity. And is well owned by the energy industry.

I may well see him again tomorrow. We play Cascia again tomorrow night, this time at Cascia at 7:00 if anyone wants to come to talk to Scott. I'm going to refrain as it's my son's game and the game should be about the kids. The last game got really chippy as Cascia is big and tough and not very good. When the score started to get out of hand they got pretty dirty with cheap shots.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: guido911 on April 06, 2017, 05:49:39 pm
Horrible..just horrible.

Quote
Hard times have arrived at the Environmental Protection Agency. It’s not just the budget and staff cuts which have the long time staffers down in the dumps. It seems that they feel the new boss, Scott Pruitt, as well as his boss, aren’t exactly onboard with the old agenda which they’ve grown used to over eight years under Barack Obama. According to this report from the LA Times, this has some of them feeling so glum and hopeless that they are thinking of leaving their plush, virtually fire-proof jobs and heading out in search of greener pastures. The pressure is such that Jared Blumenfeld, a regional EPA administrator, says his phone is “ringing off the hook.”

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/04/05/and-then-depression-set-in-at-the-epa/


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 06, 2017, 06:46:22 pm
Hard times have arrived at the Environmental Protection Agency. It’s not just the budget and staff cuts which have the long time staffers down in the dumps. It seems that they feel the new boss, Scott Pruitt, as well as his boss, aren’t exactly onboard with the old agenda which they’ve grown used to over eight years under Barack Obama. According to this report from the LA Times, this has some of them feeling so glum and hopeless that they are thinking of leaving their plush, virtually fire-proof jobs and heading out in search of greener pastures. The pressure is such that Jared Blumenfeld, a regional EPA administrator, says his phone is “ringing off the hook.”

Knowing you boss' goals are to undermine your work and eliminate your job must be the new "plush."


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: guido911 on April 06, 2017, 06:58:39 pm
Knowing you boss' goals are to undermine your work and eliminate your job must be the new "plush."

That. Or the days of their job killing overrugulation are over and gravy train stopped.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: BKDotCom on April 07, 2017, 08:15:54 am
That. Or the days of their job killing overrugulation are over and gravy train stopped.

Thanks Trump
(http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2013/11/pennsylvania-coal-miners-P.jpeg)


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: AquaMan on April 07, 2017, 10:41:56 am
Yeah, Gweed. Happy days are here again.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 07, 2017, 11:38:58 am
Yeah, Gweed. Happy days are here again.


The entire coal industry employs fewer people than Arby’s

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2017/03/coal_jobs.png)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/31/8-surprisingly-small-industries-that-employ-more-people-than-coal/




Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: guido911 on April 07, 2017, 01:27:54 pm
Thanks Trump
(http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2013/11/pennsylvania-coal-miners-P.jpeg)

Yeah. The days of kids in coal mines are coming back because the EPA employees are depressed. Drama queens are everywhere.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: AquaMan on April 08, 2017, 06:26:28 am
For a man whose posts reek of exaggeration and spin like a top you sure seem offended when its used to answer. Republicans have never looked worse than when they wear the garb of Bannon and Breitbart style hate filled ultra conservatism. It suits you though.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Breadburner on April 08, 2017, 07:39:11 am
It's about time somebody reigns in an out of control EPA......


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Breadburner on April 08, 2017, 07:41:02 am
Fox News destroyed EPA chief Scott Pruitt over climate change
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/03/the-left-and-right-agree-fox-news-destroyed-epa-chief-scott-pruitt-over-climate-change



Lol..Climate change...What a joke....


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Hoss on April 08, 2017, 08:30:31 am

Lol..Climate change...What a joke....

Yeah...really funny.

I'm sure you think the Earth is flat also, like Shaq.

 ::)


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: guido911 on April 08, 2017, 03:46:12 pm
For a man whose posts reek of exaggeration and spin like a top you sure seem offended when its used to answer. Republicans have never looked worse than when they wear the garb of Bannon and Breitbart style hate filled ultra conservatism. It suits you though.


(https://pics.onsizzle.com/imsteve-bannon-liberals-fear-me-6597731.png)


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: AquaMan on April 09, 2017, 02:34:51 pm
Loathe him is more accurate. I fear ignorance being passed on to youth.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: guido911 on April 09, 2017, 03:15:03 pm
Loathe him is more accurate. I fear ignorance being passed on to youth.

That was my fear when Obama said there was 57 states, and 10,000 Americans were killed in a Kansas tornado, and that breathalyzers are used as an emergency treatment for asthma.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: rebound on April 10, 2017, 08:18:37 am
That was my fear when Obama said there was 57 states, and 10,000 Americans were killed in a Kansas tornado, and that breathalyzers are used as an emergency treatment for asthma.

Your fear?  Come on man.  The problem is not the immediate mistake or gaffe.  Heck Bush had those all the time.  And while yes people joked about them, no one seriously thought he was going to try to stand by the statement.  Trump and his ilk actually try to defend the statements and convince people that they are right.  They intentionally create and provide "alternate facts", etc.  That's the difference.

The Obama comparison is ridiculous.  All of them are simply gaffes in the moment, which he owned up and clarified.  The breathalyzer one was fixed even before he finished the sentence, he just couldn't find the right word. 

(On the "57 states" quote)
"Talking with reporters at a later campaign stop, Senator Obama expressed concern that he’d recently misstated both the number of potential victims of a recent cyclone in Burma and the number of states he’d visited, saying: “I hope I said 100 thousand people the first time instead of 100 million. I understand I said there were 57 states today. It’s a sign that my numeracy is getting a little, uh …”

(From Fox, regarding KS tornado)
As the Illinois senator concluded his remarks a few minutes later, he appeared to realize his gaffe.
"There are going to be times when I get tired," he said. "There are going to be times when I get weary. There are going to be times when I make mistakes."


(Breathalyzer)
“Everybody knows that it makes no sense that you send a kid to the emergency room for a treatable illness like asthma. They end up taking up a hospital bed. It costs when, if you, they just gave, you gave, treatment early, and they got some treatment, and uhhh a breathalyzer, or uhh, an inhalator, not a breathalyzer...”







Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Hoss on April 10, 2017, 08:22:25 am
Your fear?  Come on man.  The problem is not the immediate mistake or gaffe.  Heck Bush had those all the time.  And while yes people joked about them, no one seriously thought he was going to try to stand by the statement.  Trump and his ilk actually try to defend the statements and convince people that they are right.  They intentionally create and provide "alternate facts", etc.  That's the difference.

The Obama comparison is ridiculous.  All of them are simply gaffes in the moment, which he owned up and clarified.  The breathalyzer one was fixed even before he finished the sentence, he just couldn't find the right word. 

(On the "57 states" quote)
"Talking with reporters at a later campaign stop, Senator Obama expressed concern that he’d recently misstated both the number of potential victims of a recent cyclone in Burma and the number of states he’d visited, saying: “I hope I said 100 thousand people the first time instead of 100 million. I understand I said there were 57 states today. It’s a sign that my numeracy is getting a little, uh …”

(From Fox, regarding KS tornado)
As the Illinois senator concluded his remarks a few minutes later, he appeared to realize his gaffe.
"There are going to be times when I get tired," he said. "There are going to be times when I get weary. There are going to be times when I make mistakes."


(Breathalyzer)
“Everybody knows that it makes no sense that you send a kid to the emergency room for a treatable illness like asthma. They end up taking up a hospital bed. It costs when, if you, they just gave, you gave, treatment early, and they got some treatment, and uhhh a breathalyzer, or uhh, an inhalator, not a breathalyzer...”







I love it when the counselor comes on here with his ODS.

Now, I wonder where all the outrage from the right will be regarding this?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-travel-expenses-10-weeks-us-taxpayer-fifth-barack-obama-eight-years-mar-a-lago-us-a7670541.html


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: erfalf on April 10, 2017, 08:36:27 am

The entire coal industry employs fewer people than Arby’s

Pay is slightly better...

But the working conditions... Arby's is pretty rough though, so...


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: AquaMan on April 10, 2017, 08:43:36 am
Hoss, its too late for him or anyone weened on the Fox network. But I really do fear for the younger set being polluted by the mindset of the hoaxers and their network of disbelief. I am starting to see and hear outrageous "science" statements from homeschooled, fundamentalist school graduates. Science doesn't care about their politics or their "prophecy" view of the world. Add to that the anti-intellectualism being foisted on us for the same reasons and pretty soon we really will be an Idiocracy.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 10, 2017, 09:37:05 am
That was my fear when Obama said there was 57 states, and 10,000 Americans were killed in a Kansas tornado, and that breathalyzers are used as an emergency treatment for asthma.


See...exactly what I have been talking about when the RWRE won't go past the sound bite...they just keep on getting it wrong every single time.




Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: guido911 on April 10, 2017, 03:45:18 pm
I love it when the counselor comes on here with his ODS.

Now, I wonder where all the outrage from the right will be regarding this?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-travel-expenses-10-weeks-us-taxpayer-fifth-barack-obama-eight-years-mar-a-lago-us-a7670541.html
(http://i.imgur.com/avHnbUZ.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/PijcGEU.gif?noredirect)


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Hoss on April 10, 2017, 04:20:38 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/avHnbUZ.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/PijcGEU.gif?noredirect)

Still king of the AV world I see....does that translate well in your litigation?

Just curious.   :P


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 11, 2017, 08:30:29 am
That. Or the days of their job killing overrugulation are over and gravy train stopped.


I keep asking... no one of the RWRE ever answers... What over-regulation??  As in an example beyond the sound-bite Faux Fox News lies, distortions, and fabrications....

Looking for examples...  For years, still haven't heard one single valid objectionable example.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: erfalf on April 11, 2017, 08:45:22 am

I keep asking... no one of the RWRE ever answers... What over-regulation??  As in an example beyond the sound-bite Faux Fox News lies, distortions, and fabrications....

Looking for examples...  For years, still haven't heard one single valid objectionable example.


Mandating companies with over 50 employees to provide health insurance is over-regulation. That's an easy one.

The Dodd-Frank regs (voluminous) are putting smaller banks out of business while helping the very thing that we labeled as a risk not that long ago. There has been single digit creation of new banks since, and I doubt that is a coincidence, since as far as I can tell lending/investing money still seems to be a fairly profitable enterprise. At least it looks that way when I walk into virtually any regional or large bank branch.

Google the REINS Act. To address this very thing. But I'm sure it's just made up by some wingnuts that watch too much FOX News. Good for Congress for un-delegating some of it's responsibilities.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: BKDotCom on April 11, 2017, 08:48:41 am

What over-regulation??


Prohibiting lead bullets
Prohibiting pesticides that double as chemical weapons
Prohibiting asbestos
Mandating higher gas milage
etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2QXMGYluzo


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 11, 2017, 09:00:55 am
Mandating companies with over 50 employees to provide health insurance is over-regulation. That's an easy one.

The Dodd-Frank regs (voluminous) are putting smaller banks out of business while helping the very thing that we labeled as a risk not that long ago. There has been single digit creation of new banks since, and I doubt that is a coincidence, since as far as I can tell lending/investing money still seems to be a fairly profitable enterprise. At least it looks that way when I walk into virtually any regional or large bank branch.


BS.  There is no absolute requirement that a company over 50 provide insurance.  There IS however a provision that prevents a company from doing that without providing relief to the rest of us who then have to subsidize that cost - the cost of uninsured people riding on the backs of people who do participate and pay for the entire infrastructure - there is a tax for not providing insurance.  Sadly, it is most likely lower than the cost of insurance and would never offset the cost we have to pay to let those freeloaders carry on with business as usual.


As for Dodd-Frank.  Interesting thing - a bill disguised as "regulatory overhaul" that really just lets the biggest banks continue on with business as usual, while as you noted, blocking new banks from starting up.  That is not regulatory - that is monopoly enhancement.  Written BY big banks - FOR big banks.

Next...!?


How about the EPA?  Since that is the nominal topic?  Or OSHA?   FMCA?








Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: erfalf on April 11, 2017, 09:28:47 am

BS.  There is no absolute requirement that a company over 50 provide insurance.  There IS however a provision that prevents a company from doing that without providing relief to the rest of us who then have to subsidize that cost - the cost of uninsured people riding on the backs of people who do participate and pay for the entire infrastructure - there is a tax for not providing insurance.  Sadly, it is most likely lower than the cost of insurance and would never offset the cost we have to pay to let those freeloaders carry on with business as usual.


As for Dodd-Frank.  Interesting thing - a bill disguised as "regulatory overhaul" that really just lets the biggest banks continue on with business as usual, while as you noted, blocking new banks from starting up.  That is not regulatory - that is monopoly enhancement.  Written BY big banks - FOR big banks.

Next...!?


How about the EPA?  Since that is the nominal topic?  Or OSHA?   FMCA?








So your strategy is to not call a reg a reg, and claim there are no regs.

Got it.

And I grew up on a family farm. EPA is a four letter word. Which coincidentally, many EPA regs seem to tilt the scales toward much larger farm producers as well. All though it's not a coincidence at all. But you know that.

See a trend here. Agencies generally are just a blunt object with which competition is beaten down.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 11, 2017, 09:34:55 am
Prohibiting lead bullets
Prohibiting pesticides that double as chemical weapons
Prohibiting asbestos
Mandating higher gas milage
etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2QXMGYluzo


I love the sarcasm!!   Fits my personality perfectly!!


I do have one comment about higher mileage - and the good things that have happened since that started.  All the associated "added costs" really have not raised the price of a car in real terms at all.  Still looking and will post when I find it - comparison on Honda cost over about 30 years - the price of the car was within a few dollars in real terms (inflation adjusted) to the cost 30 years ago - tens of dollars, not hundreds.  But in that time, in the quest for more power in the same engine volume, vast changes have been made in a wide range of areas to comply with mileage and pollution regulations.  

Starting with the simple little EGR valve - when they were first put into cars, I remember all the people I knew took them out, so they could continue to direct vent the crankcase without a trip through the carb and combustion cycle.  Except that always cut their mileage with no noticeable increase in power/performance - no matter how much they tried to lie about it!  You could always get better performance by adjusting the ignition timing and dwell a little bit.

Then electronic ignitions came along.  Hardened valve seats to allow unleaded gas.  Better spark plugs.  All these things combined to make it so that today, most new car buyers will never own a car long enough for it to need a 'tune-up'.  Every car I had until 1980 - and my 70 Cutlass still - required new plugs, points, distributor cap, rotor EVERY 10,000 miles!!  No matter what!!   They STOP running not long after that without the maintenance....    So imagine how people would react if they had to go spend $400 every 6 to 9 months on a tune-up!  Lol...

Oil changes - were 2,500 miles.  Today what...about 5,000 or more?  Better oil and better filters.  And yeah, there is still the cheap junk filter available - FRAM - but you can get a WIX and have a very good oil filter!   Lately the oil companies have started re-formulating their oils, especially for diesel engines...and it has NOT been a step forward !!

I got as high as 21 mpg on the Cutlass in the past - during the era of 55 mph speed limits, with a tail wind.  14 - 15 was the more normal highway level.  1980 Olds Delta got 17 city, 23 highway.  We have stagnated horribly - 2007 Merc only gets a little better - 21 city, 26 highway.  That is ridiculous that it isn't better.  And a Honda/Toyota/Lexus - exactly the same!    Case of needing more regulation!  Which we had, then got taken away again by Trump.

And a huge step backwards - my 80's cars all had 5 mph bumpers meaning there was NO damage in a collision up to 5 mph.  And it worked!!   But then the anti-regulation clown show took that away...what does a 5 mph collision cost today?   Thousands!!   Who was helped by the elimination of those regulations??   Certainly not real people.

Turns out I had more than one comment...



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 11, 2017, 09:46:55 am
So your strategy is to not call a reg a reg, and claim there are no regs.

Got it.

And I grew up on a family farm. EPA is a four letter word. Which coincidentally, many EPA regs seem to tilt the scales toward much larger farm producers as well. All though it's not a coincidence at all. But you know that.

See a trend here. Agencies generally are just a blunt object with which competition is beaten down.


No...just when there is no real regulation to be discussed.

EPA - yeah, I can see how not being allowed to continue the practices that ended up with the Cuyahoga river catching on fire might be construed as "restrictive".  Or the dust bowl...  "Gee whiz...I can't keep on indiscriminately trashing the world around me..." and all the long term effects on the rest of the population, would be a culture shock.  EPA regulations have not gone far enough on the herbicide front - RoundUp.  Usage has skyrocketed because it is no longer effective on a quickly broadening range of "pest" plants.  At the same time, Roundup resistance genetics are being put into the seed to allow even higher dosage rates.  Stupid stuff going on in your food !!

Regulations have often been bought and paid for by corporate America - see any activity engaged in by DuPont/Monsanto, etc.  But there have been many that actually helped real people INCLUDING small farmers!!  And if you have not totally walked away from your heritage, you would see the huge resurgence going on in the small farm world for the last couple decades!  I grew up in the 50's/60's family farm environment - I didn't live on one, but ALL my cousins did and we visited a LOT.  Only one (out of maybe 25 - 30) remains on a farm, and he is getting ready to retire.  I am starting up again in that world FOR retirement!

Today's small family farm is not fighting regulations - they are fighting the big corporate farms who have taken over agriculture!   Just try to grow ANY field crop today - the alternative, natural, heritage variety - on a small farm.  If you grow specialty corn you WILL run into problems with Monsanto genetics contaminating your crop!  And then, if you complain, Monsanto will sue you for 'stealing' their IP.   Same with beans.  Wheat hasn't quite got to that point - there are quite a few emmer and spelt growers out there doing very well.

Anything you grow, though, from fruits to nuts will have trouble from time to time.  And if you complain, you will be pushed down.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: erfalf on April 11, 2017, 10:24:30 am
So because some regulations are good, all regulations are good.

For some reason the only thing I ever think of when I discuss things with you is this...

(http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-trouble-with-our-liberal-friends-is-not-that-they-re-ignorant-it-s-just-that-they-ronald-reagan-24-11-94.jpg)


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Hoss on April 11, 2017, 10:35:55 am
So because some regulations are good, all regulations are good.

For some reason the only thing I ever think of when I discuss things with you is this...

(http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-trouble-with-our-liberal-friends-is-not-that-they-re-ignorant-it-s-just-that-they-ronald-reagan-24-11-94.jpg)

With that quote coming from the master of Trickledown...so much irony.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: erfalf on April 11, 2017, 10:46:56 am
You also realize corporations as competitors are not hurting the family farm in Oklahoma? They are all but outlawed in this state. Except maybe in livestock production. Now, corporations like Monsanto and such you could maybe make that argument, but it is generally going to just be a pricing issue.

Generally speaking the issues with regulation come at costs. Who is going to bear the costs. Since no one seems to want to pay more for food that is being produced on less and less acres, the farmer is taking the brunt end of it. At some point I believe that we will come to a tipping point.

And you think the farmers now and then wanted the dust bowl to happen. "Modern" farming practices at the time led to the dust bowl (that and virtually no rain for 8 years, which I might add would be bad for just about any region). Modern farming practices that were widely accepted by our government, our regulation creating body. They did what they were supposed to and it didn't work out. Linking that and fiery rivers is beyond ridiculous. Farming practices have changed immensely over the decades thanks in large part to another government body (Oklahoma State University and the like across the country). It the vary same set of weather circumstances arose today however, I doubt the outcome would be dramatically different. That truly was a disaster beyond mankind stopping it.

In many cases though, our fair government, in the name of conservation, does exactly the opposite. Generally speaking, federally regulating something like farming is a fools errand as it "farming" varies so widely from state to state. THAT is the problem.

And do you really think, a farmer, who intends to hand it off at some point, is looking for a quick buck at the expense of his land. The land IS the commodity. The corn/wheat/beans are a byproduct of the land. I wish people would get that. But they know better.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: saintnicster on April 11, 2017, 10:51:48 am
So because some regulations are good, all regulations are good.

For some reason the only thing I ever think of when I discuss things with you is this...
http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-trouble-with-our-liberal-friends-is-not-that-they-re-ignorant-it-s-just-that-they-ronald-reagan-24-11-94.jpg

"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size" Ronald Reagan
I can pull quotes out of context too :D


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: erfalf on April 11, 2017, 10:55:55 am
"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size" Ronald Reagan
I can pull quotes out of context too :D

Mine isn't out of context though.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 11, 2017, 03:07:44 pm
You also realize corporations as competitors are not hurting the family farm in Oklahoma? They are all but outlawed in this state. Except maybe in livestock production. Now, corporations like Monsanto and such you could maybe make that argument, but it is generally going to just be a pricing issue.

Generally speaking the issues with regulation come at costs. Who is going to bear the costs. Since no one seems to want to pay more for food that is being produced on less and less acres, the farmer is taking the brunt end of it. At some point I believe that we will come to a tipping point.

And you think the farmers now and then wanted the dust bowl to happen. "Modern" farming practices at the time led to the dust bowl (that and virtually no rain for 8 years, which I might add would be bad for just about any region). Modern farming practices that were widely accepted by our government, our regulation creating body. They did what they were supposed to and it didn't work out. Linking that and fiery rivers is beyond ridiculous. Farming practices have changed immensely over the decades thanks in large part to another government body (Oklahoma State University and the like across the country). It the vary same set of weather circumstances arose today however, I doubt the outcome would be dramatically different. That truly was a disaster beyond mankind stopping it.

In many cases though, our fair government, in the name of conservation, does exactly the opposite. Generally speaking, federally regulating something like farming is a fools errand as it "farming" varies so widely from state to state. THAT is the problem.

And do you really think, a farmer, who intends to hand it off at some point, is looking for a quick buck at the expense of his land. The land IS the commodity. The corn/wheat/beans are a byproduct of the land. I wish people would get that. But they know better.


You certainly are old enough to understand that you don't have to "own" something - in this case land - to control the use of it.  Think Tyson.  They don't own a sq foot of land in this state, but exert a lot of control.  Just because there is a "law" doesn't keep the thing from happening the law was written for.   And yeah, they do hurt, not just the family farm in Oklahoma, but overlap other areas of activity.  Been to the Illinois River lately??

Monsanto - much more than just price fixing and collusion - I touched on that in the post.  They actively go after people who complain about their crops being contaminated by Monsanto "largesse" in the form of their genetics being spread all around the area.

Dust bowl - you are making my point - there was no regulation.  Just as there was no understanding of the land they were on trying to apply practices from other areas that just didn't apply.  The plains had really just been farmed for a couple decades, with the 20's having a huge expansion.  By the way, we are in drought here, too, right now - some of it extreme.  Our practices are different, so we are not getting the big dust storms seen then...well, except for one we had in 2005 that was pretty good size...  And even after all that, we did the same thing over again in the 40's during WWII.  And the 50's - when the govt paid people to grow pasture instead of wheat.  Dodged a bullet on that one...   And OSU was trying to get farmers to diversify and get away from monoculture as early as 1905 - 1910.  But people would not listen and since there were NO regulations or govt buyback programs to stop the effects, the landslide just gathered steam and headed over the edge.  I have a grandfather and uncle who came to Stillwater area at the first land grab and set up farming.  His ledgers mention how he would talk to OSU people regularly for advise - he was much more progressive than most.  By the late teens they went back to KS due to age.

Kind of like global climate change - since we don't understand, maybe we should be moving cautiously..??   We also see a big experiment like this going on in South America where the rain forest "desert" is being decimated to get 2 or 3 years of crops like wheat, corn, beans, etc.  And then when it is ecologically reduced to rubble, move on to the next freshly cut plot.

Here is a map of precipitation going back to the 1890's.  The 30's really weren't that much worse than other times - like the 50's and 60's.  It's what you do during those times that count's.  And the 40's problems - well there was above average rain, but due to farming practices, big problems.  Mankind brought the problems on and mankind stopped it (see 50's and 60's) by doing what they should instead of all the "rugged individualists" being bad stewards of the land...

http://climate.ok.gov/index.php/climate/climate_trends/precipitation_history_annual_statewide/CD00/prcp/Annual/oklahoma_climate


Getting rid of regulation is what that state question wanted to do last year - make it so large corporate groups could do whatever they wanted with no oversight.  So, yeah, there is definitely a place for regulation.

Finally something we are 100% aligned together one - the land is what is important - if you take care of it, it will take care of you!   Except too many don't actually agree with that.  And it's really much more than a commodity....









Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: guido911 on April 13, 2017, 05:44:19 pm
No more gym memberships...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pruitt-ends-epa-gym-memberships/article/2620217


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Townsend on April 14, 2017, 11:10:39 am
No more gym memberships...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pruitt-ends-epa-gym-memberships/article/2620217

Wouldn't want sound bodies/sound minds working for Pruitt.  They'd be too smart for him.

Oklahoma sure can breed them.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: guido911 on April 14, 2017, 11:53:08 am
Wouldn't want sound bodies/sound minds working for Pruitt.  They'd be too smart for him.

Oklahoma sure can breed them.

Christmas gift idea for you. Buy a gym membership for your favorite EPA worker.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Townsend on April 14, 2017, 02:10:43 pm
Christmas gift idea for you. Buy a gym membership for your favorite EPA worker.

Go get yourself an anus to eat


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Hoss on April 14, 2017, 03:16:33 pm
Go get yourself an anus to eat

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Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: guido911 on April 14, 2017, 05:10:28 pm
Go get yourself an anus to eat
Have a blessed and reflective Good Friday and Easter.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: joiei on April 14, 2017, 07:10:16 pm
Have a blessed and reflective Good Friday and Easter.

You also Guido.  If it isn't raining, I'll be at the sunrise service at Guthrie Green. 


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: guido911 on April 14, 2017, 07:26:47 pm
You also Guido.  If it isn't raining, I'll be at the sunrise service at Guthrie Green.  


Never been to that one. I go to Easter Vigil and then Sunday night. Also did Mass of the Lord's Supper Thursday and Stations today. Had kiddo duty for Good Friday Mass.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on August 28, 2017, 06:18:51 pm
WASHINGTON — A high-ranking political appointee at the Environmental Protection Agency has been cited by federal regulators for unspecified violations while serving as the top executive at an Oklahoma bank.

Albert “Kell” Kelly was hired earlier this year as a senior adviser to EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt. Kelly was previously the chairman of SpiritBank, headquartered in Tulsa.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/adviser-to-epa-chief-cited-for-federal-banking-violations/2017/08/28/e5c40762-8c3a-11e7-9c53-6a169beb0953_story.html?utm_term=.791da2072546


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: cannon_fodder on August 29, 2017, 07:06:15 am
In other EPA news, Pruitt said recently that science shouldn't be thrown about to dictate policy in the United States, what we need is televised "debates" about settled science, then we can base policy off of that.... I guess?  Just as long as it isn't science.  From the head of the EPA.  Which is supposed to base EVERY decision off of science.

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/epa-chief-scott-pruitt-science-dictate-policy/

Quote
The mission of EPA is to protect human health and the environment.
EPA's purpose is to ensure that:
* all Americans are protected from significant risks to human health and the environment where they live, learn and work;
*national efforts to reduce environmental risk are based on the best available scientific informationn;
https://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/our-mission-and-what-we-do

Unless you don't like the best available scientific information?  Bah, just change the policy statement.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: swake on August 29, 2017, 08:25:22 am
In other EPA news, Pruitt said recently that science shouldn't be thrown about to dictate policy in the United States, what we need is televised "debates" about settled science, then we can base policy off of that.... I guess?  Just as long as it isn't science.  From the head of the EPA.  Which is supposed to base EVERY decision off of science.

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/epa-chief-scott-pruitt-science-dictate-policy/
https://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/our-mission-and-what-we-do

Unless you don't like the best available scientific information?  Bah, just change the policy statement.


Pure insanity.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on August 29, 2017, 08:30:15 am

You couldn't possibly be surprised by any of this...   It's Trump World.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: swake on August 29, 2017, 08:37:58 am
You couldn't possibly be surprised by any of this...   It's Trump World.



Just because you expect the crazy, doesn't change the fact that it IS crazy.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on August 29, 2017, 08:44:09 am
Just because you expect the crazy, doesn't change the fact that it IS crazy.


Absolutely!!   It is beyond crazy...!   The guy is well into dementia - could be Alzheimers.  But given his history of like behaviour for so long a time, he may just be plain old paranoid schizophrenic.  Hard to say without more info.


What is more concerning to me is the way to apparent willingness in complicity of the entire Republican party, with only a very few notable exceptions, to not only condone but, with inaction, actively endorse this completely immoral regime and President.  It says so much about the true "good family values and Christian beliefs" of these people than any other commentary and action we have ever seen before.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on August 29, 2017, 10:51:16 am
In other EPA news, Pruitt said recently that science shouldn't be thrown about to dictate policy in the United States, what we need is televised "debates" about settled science, then we can base policy off of that.... I guess?  Just as long as it isn't science.  From the head of the EPA.  Which is supposed to base EVERY decision off of science.

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/epa-chief-scott-pruitt-science-dictate-policy/
https://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/our-mission-and-what-we-do

Unless you don't like the best available scientific information?  Bah, just change the policy statement.


So this rather helps prove my point that things like climate science can be influenced or filtered by political agendas, eh Cannon?


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Townsend on August 29, 2017, 11:10:49 am
So this rather helps prove my point that things like climate science can be influenced or filtered by political agendas, eh Cannon?

No - but the stupid can


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: cannon_fodder on August 29, 2017, 12:18:47 pm
So this rather helps prove my point that things like climate science can be influenced or filtered by political agendas, eh Cannon?

Nope.  Rather than helping your point it deals a significant blow. I think you've been trying to say that there is a scientific debate going on with climate change, this reinforces the notion that it is merely political.

I mean, sure.  Any subject can be influenced or filtered by political agendas.  Trump could demand tomorrow that schools that receive Federal funds teach that babies come from storks.  That doesn't change the science behind it that say otherwise.  Scott Pruitt can say science doesn't matter, climate change is "unsettled", and that we must debate this on TV.  That doesn't change the science one bit.

So I agree in so much as the denial of climate change is a political agenda item, not a scientific debate.  Which explain why the head of the EPA feels the need to make such ridiculous statements.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on September 23, 2017, 08:53:16 am
We could guard Beyoncé for less than what it costs to protect EPA chief
http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/carl-hiaasen/article174938816.html


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on September 27, 2017, 08:45:31 am
Cone of $ilence.

E.P.A. to Spend Nearly $25,000 on a Soundproof Booth for Pruitt
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/26/climate/pruitt-epa.html


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on September 28, 2017, 09:03:06 am
Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scott-pruitt-spending-epa_us_59cc2a95e4b05063fe0ef9b3


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on September 28, 2017, 12:08:19 pm
Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scott-pruitt-spending-epa_us_59cc2a95e4b05063fe0ef9b3

Pruitt is a D-Bag but it seems like false outrage on the part of Huff-Poo.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on September 28, 2017, 12:48:51 pm
Pruitt is a D-Bag but it seems like false outrage on the part of Huff-Poo.

They probably didn't bother to check that there are no commercial flights between Tulsa and Guymon, and Guymon and OKC. Those east coast/west coast opinion writers have the luxury of commercial shuttles everywhere along the coasts.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on September 28, 2017, 06:57:08 pm
Pruitt is a D-Bag but it seems like false outrage on the part of Huff-Poo.

Perhaps, but its good to have an accounting for when Pruitt tells us what a great Governor he will be.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on November 01, 2017, 10:59:10 am
E&E News published a fascinating piece on how religion may inform Pruitt's deregulatory ideology. The takeaway is that the creation story in Genesis shows that God has given mankind dominion over Earth. In contrast, environmentalists, as one pastor in the piece put it, "have started worshiping God's creation, the planet and all the living organisms on it, instead of God."

...and God says "drill baby drill"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-energy-202/2017/11/01/the-energy-202-pruitt-cites-bible-in-ending-way-epa-committees-staffed/59f8f39c30fb0468e7653f76/?utm_term=.112823033050


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on November 01, 2017, 12:37:33 pm
E&E News published a fascinating piece on how religion may inform Pruitt's deregulatory ideology.

I’m sorry I could have sworn that said “derogatory ideology”.  Very apt in this case.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on November 01, 2017, 01:46:08 pm
Perhaps, but its good to have an accounting for when Pruitt tells us what a great Governor he will be.


Okrahoma is gonna love it.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on December 15, 2017, 05:10:58 pm
Okrahoma is gonna love it.

The Environmental Protection Agency spent $120,000 of taxpayer money to hire a public relations firm that specializes in public opposition research for Republican politicians.

There has been some speculation that Pruitt intends to use his position as EPA administrator as a stepping stone in his political career, potentially running for Sen. Jim Inhofe’s (R-OK) seat should the 82-year old senator decide to retire in 2020. Because of (Definers Corp) history as a political opposition research group for Republican politicians, some critics voiced concern on Friday that the contract could be politically-motivated.

“Pruitt has already taken the millions in contributions from corporate polluters, but now he’s wasting the taxpayers dime to advance his political career and cover his tracks,” Sierra Club Legislative Director Melinda Pierce said in a press statement.


https://thinkprogress.org/epa-hires-republican-oppo-pr-firm-cf3ebc7e1358/


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on December 15, 2017, 10:00:01 pm
The Environmental Protection Agency spent $120,000 of taxpayer money to hire a public relations firm that specializes in public opposition research for Republican politicians.

There has been some speculation that Pruitt intends to use his position as EPA administrator as a stepping stone in his political career, potentially running for Sen. Jim Inhofe’s (R-OK) seat should the 82-year old senator decide to retire in 2020. Because of (Definers Corp) history as a political opposition research group for Republican politicians, some critics voiced concern on Friday that the contract could be politically-motivated.

“Pruitt has already taken the millions in contributions from corporate polluters, but now he’s wasting the taxpayers dime to advance his political career and cover his tracks,” Sierra Club Legislative Director Melinda Pierce said in a press statement.


https://thinkprogress.org/epa-hires-republican-oppo-pr-firm-cf3ebc7e1358/

I hear Pruitt is a heavy drinker.  He appears to prefer a good stiff vinegar and water.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Red Arrow on December 15, 2017, 10:39:46 pm
I hear Pruitt is a heavy drinker.  He appears to prefer a good stiff vinegar and water.

Blech! 

I'd rather he prefer a decent adult beverage.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on December 17, 2017, 12:07:41 am
Blech!  

I'd rather he prefer a decent adult beverage.



Well vinegar and water is pretty much all you will find in a d0uce bag and Pruitt is one.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: TeeDub on December 17, 2017, 12:25:27 pm

Hopefully they do better than the ones under the Obama administration.

https://www.gao.gov/products/B-326944
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) violated publicity or propaganda and anti-lobbying provisions contained in appropriations acts with its use of certain social media platforms in association with its "Waters of the United States" (WOTUS) rulemaking in fiscal years 2014 and 2015. Specifically, EPA violated the publicity or propaganda prohibition though its use of a platform known as Thunderclap that allows a single message to be shared across multiple Facebook, Twitter, and Tumblr accounts at the same time. EPA engaged in covert propaganda when the agency did not identify EPA's role as the creator of the Thunderclap message to the target audience. The agency's #DitchtheMyth and #CleanWaterRules social media campaigns did not implicate the publicity or propaganda prohibition. EPA also violated anti-lobbying provisions though its hyperlinks to certain external Web pages in an EPA blog post. Both of the external Web pages led to appeals to the public to contact Congress in support of the WOTUS rule, which taken in context, constituted appeals to contact Congress in opposition to pending legislation. EPA associated itself with these messages through its decision to include the hyperlinks in its blog post.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 17, 2017, 01:32:04 pm
Hopefully they do better than the ones under the Obama administration.

https://www.gao.gov/products/B-326944
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) violated publicity or propaganda and anti-lobbying provisions contained in appropriations acts with its use of certain social media platforms in association with its "Waters of the United States" (WOTUS) rulemaking in fiscal years 2014 and 2015. Specifically, EPA violated the publicity or propaganda prohibition though its use of a platform known as Thunderclap that allows a single message to be shared across multiple Facebook, Twitter, and Tumblr accounts at the same time. EPA engaged in covert propaganda when the agency did not identify EPA's role as the creator of the Thunderclap message to the target audience. The agency's #DitchtheMyth and #CleanWaterRules social media campaigns did not implicate the publicity or propaganda prohibition. EPA also violated anti-lobbying provisions though its hyperlinks to certain external Web pages in an EPA blog post. Both of the external Web pages led to appeals to the public to contact Congress in support of the WOTUS rule, which taken in context, constituted appeals to contact Congress in opposition to pending legislation. EPA associated itself with these messages through its decision to include the hyperlinks in its blog post.


To paraphrase Sarah Palin... You betcha.... same thing totally!  Except for....NOT!!

Geez....



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: TeeDub on December 17, 2017, 08:22:11 pm

To paraphrase Sarah Palin... You betcha.... same thing totally!  Except for....NOT!!

Geez....


Never said it was the same thing.   Apparently you have a comprehension problem.   What I said was, I hope that they can do a better job than the previous ones...   TYou know, the ones that were found by the GAO to have "violated publicity or propaganda and anti-lobbying provisions contained in appropriations acts."

(For the price he is paying, I would hope so.)


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on December 18, 2017, 04:50:07 pm
I hear Pruitt is a heavy drinker.  He appears to prefer a good stiff vinegar and water.

Clean water, or the stuff coming out of the EPA drinking fountains?

(https://video-images.vice.com/articles/5a343024a1507266b3dd6751/lede/1513372315501-poop.jpeg)



“Mr. Pruitt appears not to understand that the two most valuable assets E.P.A. has is the country’s trust and a very committed professional work force,” said William K. Reilly, the E.P.A. administrator under George Bush. “This shows complete insensitivity, complete tone-deafness, or something worse.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/17/us/politics/epa-pruitt-media-monitoring.html

Stick that in your America Rising surveillance program.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on December 28, 2017, 03:07:53 pm
Scott Pruitt has tasked a banker who was banned from the banking industry for life with oversight of the nation’s Superfund program.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/banned-from-the-banking-industry-for-life-a-scott-pruitt/article_3b076180-6388-5281-b560-0f00d38f74c3.html


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Ed W on December 28, 2017, 10:12:38 pm
Pruitt also engaged in some Orewllian newspeak when he said:

"We have been blessed, as a country, with tremendous natural resources. ... I believe that we have an obligation to feed the world and power the world, with a sensitivity, as far as environmental stewardship, for future generations,” he said.

“But for the past few years, we have been told it’s prohibition, it’s put up a fence, it’s do not touch."

In effect, he's saying we're going to burn more fossil fuels because it's the environmentally correct thing to do. He's fully embraced the "mental" part of environmental.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: TeeDub on December 29, 2017, 08:05:07 am

If the trend keeps up, it won't matter that he keeps burning fossil fuels.    People are moving more and more toward renewable regardless of his stances.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/06/solar-wind-renewable-energy-record/


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on December 29, 2017, 10:53:56 am
For his Tulsa audience:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/02/scott-pruitt-epa-evolution-theory-abortion-gay-marriage-433284



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on December 29, 2017, 11:04:52 am
Regardless of what the assclown in charge of the EPA brings forth as policy, if any of us feel strongly about it, we can limit our own consumption of fossil fuels.  Some of the biggest climate change alarmists I personally know are huge carbon emitters.  It starts with a lot of the hot air they emit and goes from there  ;). Literally, these are people who never seem to plan one simple trip for multiple errands, still driving an older, less fuel efficient vehicle, refuse to upgrade decades old A/C and furnace equipment but they like to complain that no one is doing enough for regulations to slow climate change.  Let's not get started on celebrities and wealthy libs keeping their G-5's in the air and cruising around in their Hummers.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on January 29, 2018, 12:01:29 pm
Ive been banned from banking, can I be an EPA official instead?

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/28/scott-pruitt-failed-banker-running-epa-superfund-program

Wow.  Just wow.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on February 13, 2018, 10:53:40 am
OKLAHOMA CITY — A controversial cleanup contract for the Tar Creek Superfund site in Ottawa County cost five times more than it should have, state Auditor and Inspector Gary Jones said Monday.

“The LICRAT audit wasn’t about Scott Pruitt, left-wing environmentalists, Andy Lester, or politics,” Jones said in a written statement. “As the state auditor I have taken the position that the people of our state deserve to know why the LICRAT Board spent over $3.6 million on a project when the cost could have been less than $600,000.”

Pruitt subsequently ordered the report sealed.


http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/state-auditor-claims-overspending-on-tar-creek-project/article_3deca65f-2776-5e78-8268-850e4ad7bb0e.html


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on February 14, 2018, 11:33:00 am
The EPA told Politico that Pruitt has a “blanket waiver” from federal standards limiting government employees from booking
first-class tickets because of concerns about his security.

When pressing about that "blanket waiver," the agency told reporters to file a Freedom of Information Act request instead
of answering questions.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-energy-202/2018/02/14/the-energy-202-how-the-pruitt-first-class-flight-story-spun-out-of-control/5a83700c30fb041c3c7d7866/


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on February 14, 2018, 09:27:49 pm
Then the story changes:

The EPA this week told reporters that Pruitt had a “blanket waiver” allowing him to bypass coach class whenever possible. Federal regulations, however, say that “blanket authorization of other than coach-class transportation accommodations is prohibited and shall be authorized on an individual trip-by-trip basis.”

“Pruitt’s explanation is absurd and assumes that it’s easier to protect someone in first class than in economy,” “Members of Congress who routinely fly coach should be offended by his lavish travel habits.”
On Wednesday afternoon, the agency backed away from its earlier statements.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/epa-chief-has-unusual-waiver-to-fly-in-first-or-business-class/2018/02/14/9f29a658-11b0-11e8-9570-29c9830535e5_story.html



As an example, Barnet recounted on incident from October at the airport in Atlanta. An individual approached Pruitt with his cell phone recording, yelling at him “‘Scott Pruitt, you’re f---ing up the environment,’ those sort of terms,” Barnet said.


...but it turns out the first class travel habit started when he was still just a local politician.
https://newsok.com/scott-pruitt-traveled-first-class-a-few-times-when-he-was-oklahoma-attorney-general/article/5586000


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on March 28, 2018, 10:59:28 am
#BootPruitt campaign revs up

10 national environmental groups, including the Sierra Club and Natural Resources Defense Council, will begin a new campaign to remove Pruitt from office, citing what they say is Pruitt’s habit of “spending lavishly on himself.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-energy-202/2018/03/28/the-energy-202-epa-chief-fires-back-on-flight-costs-as-bootpruitt-campaign-revs-up/5abaa98b30fb042a378a2eb5/


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on March 28, 2018, 08:18:59 pm
#BootPruitt campaign revs up

10 national environmental groups, including the Sierra Club and Natural Resources Defense Council, will begin a new campaign to remove Pruitt from office, citing what they say is Pruitt’s habit of “spending lavishly on himself.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-energy-202/2018/03/28/the-energy-202-epa-chief-fires-back-on-flight-costs-as-bootpruitt-campaign-revs-up/5abaa98b30fb042a378a2eb5/


Maybe he should pay the carbon credits for those trips and all the libs will be happy.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: TeeDub on March 29, 2018, 08:19:23 am
I wonder what the EPA would say to this....

China is testing cutting-edge defence technology to develop a powerful yet relatively low-cost weather modification system to bring substantially more rain to the Tibetan plateau, Asia's biggest freshwater reserve. From a report:

The system, which involves an enormous network of fuel-burning chambers installed high up on the Tibetan mountains, could increase rainfall in the region by up to 10 billion cubic metres a year -- about 7 per cent of China's total water consumption -- according to researchers involved in the project. Tens of thousands of chambers will be built at selected locations across the Tibetan plateau to produce rainfall over a total area of about 1.6 million square kilometres (620,000 square miles), or three times the size of Spain. It will be the world's biggest such project.

The chambers burn solid fuel to produce silver iodide, a cloud-seeding agent with a crystalline structure much like ice. The chambers stand on steep mountain ridges facing the moist monsoon from south Asia. As wind hits the mountain, it produces an upward draft and sweeps the particles into the clouds to induce rain and snow.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2138866/china-needs-more-water-so-its-building-rain-making-network-three


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: cannon_fodder on March 29, 2018, 12:10:37 pm
They'd probably say that people have been trying to manipulate the weather for just about ever and thus far have had very limited and not cost-effective results.  That is, if the American EPA had anything at all to say about China's efforts to increase rainfall on the Tibetan plateau...


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on March 29, 2018, 04:40:09 pm
They'd probably say that people have been trying to manipulate the weather for just about ever and thus far have had very limited and not cost-effective results.  That is, if the American EPA had anything at all to say about China's efforts to increase rainfall on the Tibetan plateau...

So man cannot manipulate weather??  B...but I thought man-made climate change was manipulating the weather!

(Sorry, you know I had to.)


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Red Arrow on March 29, 2018, 10:01:16 pm
So man cannot manipulate weather??  B...but I thought man-made climate change was manipulating the weather!

(Sorry, you know I had to.)

No, man-made climate change is changing the climate.  Weather is something else.  From what I've read on this forum, weather is unrelated to climate change.
 
 ;D


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: rebound on March 30, 2018, 08:25:50 am
No, man-made climate change is changing the climate.  Weather is something else.  From what I've read on this forum, weather is unrelated to climate change.
 
 ;D

Related, but not the same.  Best simple example I ever heard is to imagine a pot of water that is right on the edge of boiling.  It's got all those little current swirls going on, and there is the occasional small bubble.  Now, put a clear lid on it to trap more of the heat.  (Similar to increasing CO2 in the atmosphere)  The pot may or may not boil, but the specific swirls and stuff change a lot due to that small increase in trapped energy.  Similar to climate.  The overall pot (earth) may not boil, but the specific patterns will change dramatically.

But I don't see this China thing as directly related to any of this.  All they are doing is cloud seeding with Silver Iodide, albeit on a massive scale.  It probably won't work as well as they want, but it isn't related to climate change at all.

 


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on March 30, 2018, 08:31:39 am
Related, but not the same.  Best simple example I ever heard is to imagine a pot of water that is right on the edge of boiling.  It's got all those little current swirls going on, and there is the occasional small bubble.  Now, put a clear lid on it to trap more of the heat.  (Similar to increasing CO2 in the atmosphere)  The pot may or may not boil, but the specific swirls and stuff change a lot due to that small increase in trapped energy.  Similar to climate.  The overall pot (earth) may not boil, but the specific patterns will change dramatically.

But I don't see this China thing as directly related to any of this.  All they are doing is cloud seeding with Silver Iodide, albeit on a massive scale.  It probably won't work as well as they want, but it isn't related to climate change at all.

 

Seems like burning a bunch of solid fuel for this project would increase CO2 levels at the scale proposed.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: TeeDub on March 31, 2018, 08:40:46 pm
Seems like burning a bunch of solid fuel for this project would increase CO2 levels at the scale proposed.

I guess you can read it how you want...   I would have thought the "enormous network of fuel-burning chambers" would have sent some people over the edge.   You know it would have if it had been proposed in the US.  I guess as long as it's a foreign country, the environment over there doesn't matter (as it is on a separate level of the flat earth.)


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 01, 2018, 07:29:28 pm
No, man-made climate change is changing the climate.  Weather is something else.  From what I've read on this forum, weather is unrelated to climate change.
 
 ;D


Weather is derivative of climate change, similar to how velocity is derivative of velocity.  We were at a point in climate history (position), with climate change moving at some rate (velocity).  We applied trillions of tons of CO2 and derived weather (acceleration).

And the third derivative,... well that is Trump.   If you remember from calculus and engineering school, that would be a Jerk.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on April 01, 2018, 09:15:40 pm

Weather is derivative of climate change, similar to how velocity is derivative of velocity.  We were at a point in climate history (position), with climate change moving at some rate (velocity).  We applied trillions of tons of CO2 and derived weather (acceleration).

And the third derivative,... well that is Trump.   If you remember from calculus and engineering school, that would be a Jerk.



Nope, nope, nope.  Listen to the narrative, Heir.  Weather and climate are different, neither affects the other.  It's liberal logic at its finest.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 02, 2018, 10:15:25 am
Nope, nope, nope.  Listen to the narrative, Heir.  Weather and climate are different, neither affects the other.  It's liberal logic at its finest.

Who says that?  If anyone said that, they would not be using any form of logic.  Let alone paying attention to science.

Weather and climate are different. Weather is for short term observations - it was hot out today (weeks, months, years).  Climate is longer term observations - it is hot in Saudi Arabia (years, decades, centuries). But climate definitely affects the weather - E.g., a blizzard is not likely in Miami and it is not likely there will be a hurricane in Chicago. The respective climates are not conducive to those weather events.  However, if the climate around lake Michigan was as warm parts of the Gulf of Mexico - perhaps Chicago could have hurricanes (ignoring the geography of the Lake making that very unlikely for other reasons).  If the climate around the Gulf of Mexico saw much less energy, the weather event we call a blizzard would be much more likely in Miami.  Those are made up examples, but...

if the climate around the Gulf of Mexico is consistently warmer it is more likely that there will be more hurricanes, that more water will evaporate, that coastal winds will increase.  If the climate over Greenland is warmer, it is likely that the weather will be above freezing more days and the ice sheet will melt, which will likely affect the salinity of water, which may change the gulf stream, which may lead to colder weather in England (even to the extent it could affect the climate in England).   A warmer climate means more energy, more energy means more evaporation... which can mean more rainfall for areas if they are downwind from large bodies of warming water, or it can mean drier conditions for other areas (if prevailing winds shift or there is no more rainfall but increased evaporation in the area). 

Weather is a derivative of climate, geography, and mathematics we do not fully understand. Weather is definitely affected by climate.

Here's NASA's & NOAA's "liberal logic" on the subject:
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/weather_climate.html



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 03, 2018, 09:54:31 am
Scott Pruitt used an obscure provision in the Safe Drinking Water Act to increase the salaries of two close aides at the agency last month after the White House refused to boost their pay.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2018/04/03/epas-pruitt-gave-big-raises-to-two-close-aides-after-being-rebuffed-by-the-white-house

Supposedly both Trump and Kelly called Pruitt to congratulate him on circumventing the White House.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on April 03, 2018, 01:23:54 pm
Scott Pruitt used an obscure provision in the Safe Drinking Water Act to increase the salaries of two close aides at the agency last month after the White House refused to boost their pay.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2018/04/03/epas-pruitt-gave-big-raises-to-two-close-aides-after-being-rebuffed-by-the-white-house

Supposedly both Trump and Kelly called Pruitt to congratulate him on circumventing the White House.


Both young females he has sitting on his, um, staff.  Is it just me or does Pruitt have the most punchable face in an administration since, Steve Bannon?  Maybe it's that hayseed gap tooth look that reminds me of Alfred E. Neumann.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Hoss on April 03, 2018, 01:26:33 pm
Both young females he has sitting on his, um, staff.  Is it just me or does Pruitt have the most punchable face in an administration since, Steve Bannon?  Maybe it's that hayseed gap tooth look that reminds me of Alfred E. Neumann.

You forget about Stephen Miller?

(https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/nbc_mtp-Stephen-Miller.jpg)


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 03, 2018, 02:26:48 pm
Both young females he has sitting on his, um, staff.  Is it just me or does Pruitt have the most punchable face in an administration since, Steve Bannon?  Maybe it's that hayseed gap tooth look that reminds me of Alfred E. Neumann.


Sabotaging the EPA was a Trump goal, so the headline pretty much sums it up:


On one hand, Pruitt is a huge ethical headache. On the other, he's doing exactly what Trump wants.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/04/03/on-the-one-hand-pruitt-is-a-huge-ethical-headache-on-the-other-hes-doing-exactly-what-trump-wants


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on April 03, 2018, 05:59:18 pm
You forget about Stephen Miller?

(https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/nbc_mtp-Stephen-Miller.jpg)

That's mighty punchable.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 04, 2018, 06:58:17 am
Who says that?  If anyone said that, they would not be using any form of logic.  Let alone paying attention to science.

Weather and climate are different. Weather is for short term observations - it was hot out today (weeks, months, years).  Climate is longer term observations - it is hot in Saudi Arabia (years, decades, centuries). But climate definitely affects the weather - E.g., a blizzard is not likely in Miami and it is not likely there will be a hurricane in Chicago. The respective climates are not conducive to those weather events.  However, if the climate around lake Michigan was as warm parts of the Gulf of Mexico - perhaps Chicago could have hurricanes (ignoring the geography of the Lake making that very unlikely for other reasons).  If the climate around the Gulf of Mexico saw much less energy, the weather event we call a blizzard would be much more likely in Miami.  Those are made up examples, but...

if the climate around the Gulf of Mexico is consistently warmer it is more likely that there will be more hurricanes, that more water will evaporate, that coastal winds will increase.  If the climate over Greenland is warmer, it is likely that the weather will be above freezing more days and the ice sheet will melt, which will likely affect the salinity of water, which may change the gulf stream, which may lead to colder weather in England (even to the extent it could affect the climate in England).   A warmer climate means more energy, more energy means more evaporation... which can mean more rainfall for areas if they are downwind from large bodies of warming water, or it can mean drier conditions for other areas (if prevailing winds shift or there is no more rainfall but increased evaporation in the area).  

Weather is a derivative of climate, geography, and mathematics we do not fully understand. Weather is definitely affected by climate.

Here's NASA's & NOAA's "liberal logic" on the subject:
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/weather_climate.html




He was being sarcastic/satirical...


It quite literally is a mathematical relationship - weather derives from climate.  They are different, but interconnected.  Much like peanut butter and jelly on a sandwich!!   Mmm...PB&J !  Time for breakfast!!




Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: joiei on April 05, 2018, 07:06:58 pm
Please, send him to jail.  Do not let him come back to Oklahoma to run for governor.  We are screwed enough without his screwing you and I. 


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 05, 2018, 08:44:37 pm
Please, send him to jail.  Do not let him come back to Oklahoma to run for governor.  We are screwed enough without his screwing you and I. 

He still thinks hes going to replace Sessions as A.G.   Can you imagine what a disaster that would be for the justice system?


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 06, 2018, 10:38:11 am
Trump Can’t Decide If Pruitt Is Too Corrupt to Lead the EPA – Or Just Corrupt Enough to Be His Attorney General
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/trump-cant-decide-whether-to-fire-pruitt-or-promote-him.html




Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: swake on April 06, 2018, 11:36:53 am
Trump Can’t Decide If Pruitt Is Too Corrupt to Lead the EPA – Or Just Corrupt Enough to Be His Attorney General
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/trump-cant-decide-whether-to-fire-pruitt-or-promote-him.html




I keep thinking he has to the slimiest person in the admin, and then I remember Jared. And then Trump himself. 


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 09, 2018, 09:04:48 am
I keep thinking he has to the slimiest person in the admin, and then I remember Jared. And then Trump himself. 


Next step is for Trump to adopt him.  Fits right into the family dynamic.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 09, 2018, 10:35:08 am

Next step is for Trump to adopt him.  Fits right into the family dynamic.


Its apparently safe to do now without fear of the Ninja Assassins.


We have a new frontrunner for America's Next Top Swampmonster in the form of EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, who apparently felt entitled to live like an oligarch on the taxpayer dime. One of his big excuses for that appears to be falling apart.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a19717300/scott-pruitt-death-threats-epa/


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: TeeDub on April 09, 2018, 12:42:33 pm
I guess it depends on your news source.  (I have no idea who these people are...  I just did a quick google search, and apparently I am a better researcher than esquire.)

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060070805

At least three arrests were made in fiscal 2017 related to threats against EPA facilities or personnel, Sullivan said. Nevertheless, some of those cases have not advanced much further.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: joiei on April 09, 2018, 03:12:44 pm
I guess it depends on your news source.  (I have no idea who these people are...  I just did a quick google search, and apparently I am a better researcher than esquire.)



E&E News Source is a subscription-based online news service that covers energy and environment policy and markets. Based in Washington, D.C. with an estimated 40,000 subscribers.  Maybe that is why this company loves them some Scott Pruitt.  (Didn't take that long to find this out)  Who knows, maybe Esquire considered E&E a possible source of fake news. 


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 09, 2018, 04:47:07 pm
E&E News Source is a subscription-based online news service that covers energy and environment policy and markets. Based in Washington, D.C. with an estimated 40,000 subscribers.  Maybe that is why this company loves them some Scott Pruitt.  (Didn't take that long to find this out)  Who knows, maybe Esquire considered E&E a possible source of fake news.  

...as illustrated by this expert analysis:

"Someone was drinking a little too much when watching Rachel Maddow." https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060070805


The "threats" were declined prosecution; almost all were non-specific, lumping in the EPA as part of "the government" and representing little more than just busywork for the FBI/Tulsa Police Joint Terrorism Task Force.

According to the internal EPA memo, the "threats" include protesters attempting to disrupt one of Pruitt's closed-door speeches, a letter from a prisoner, and a postcard that included the greeting: "CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL!!! We are watching you"
Among specific incidents, the agency said one person had approached Pruitt in the Atlanta airport while yelling, "Scott Pruitt, you’re f---ing up the environment."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/10/documents-contradict-epa-claims-threats-984459

The EPA itself admitted that there were "no records" about death threats in reply to Freedom Of Information requests.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/details-hazy-on-death-threats-against-epas-scott-pruitt_us_5acabfeae4b0337ad1e9624b


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on April 10, 2018, 08:23:28 pm
So, the employee who wrote the security assessment downplaying threats to Pruitt has now been fired.  But it had nothing to do with his dismissive memo legislators cited in questioning the millions in over-spending expenditures for Pruitt's safety, apparently he was fired over another job he held 10 years ago.  Happens all the time, I know.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/04/10/scott-pruitt-security-spending/505437002/


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 11, 2018, 04:53:19 pm
So, the employee who wrote the security assessment downplaying threats to Pruitt has now been fired.  But it had nothing to do with his dismissive memo legislators cited in questioning the millions in over-spending expenditures for Pruitt's safety, apparently he was fired over another job he held 10 years ago.  Happens all the time, I know.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/04/10/scott-pruitt-security-spending/505437002/



Pruitt wants to replace the EPA's "marijuana leaf" coin logo with his name and a bible verse
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/climate/pruitt-epa-challenge-coin.html

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Environmental_Protection_Agency_logo.png/220px-Environmental_Protection_Agency_logo.png)



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on April 11, 2018, 05:13:47 pm


Pruitt wants to replace the EPA's "marijuana leaf" coin logo with his name and a bible verse
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/climate/pruitt-epa-challenge-coin.html

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Environmental_Protection_Agency_logo.png/220px-Environmental_Protection_Agency_logo.png)



How was he not suffocated in a fraternity prank back in college?

Sorry, I know I really shouldn't but...damn.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Red Arrow on April 11, 2018, 09:55:32 pm
How was he not suffocated in a fraternity prank back in college?

Sorry, I know I really shouldn't but...damn.

I think one has to at least be a Pledge. 


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Townsend on April 12, 2018, 10:43:31 am
EPA's Scott Pruitt knew about raises, former aide tells Senate Dems

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/politics/epa-scott-pruitt-travel-security-congress/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/politics/epa-scott-pruitt-travel-security-congress/index.html)

Quote
Washington (CNN)A former deputy chief of staff at the Environmental Protection Agency told congressional investigators that Administrator Scott Pruitt was aware of major raises given to other aides, rebutting Pruitt's account that he was unaware of the salary bumps.

That and other allegations are recounted in a letter several Democratic members of Congress sent Pruitt and President Donald Trump on Thursday. The letter says the new information about how Pruitt has run the agency reveal actions that are "unethical and potentially illegal."


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 12, 2018, 10:51:06 am
EPA's Scott Pruitt knew about raises, former aide tells Senate Dems

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/politics/epa-scott-pruitt-travel-security-congress/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/politics/epa-scott-pruitt-travel-security-congress/index.html)


Lying to Congress is pretty much a career change.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on April 12, 2018, 03:27:40 pm
Lying to Congress is pretty much a career change.

Well, that's one way to put it, yes.

I'm just curious how anyone can stand to be in the same room with Pruitt with the strong smell of vinegar and water emanating from him.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 12, 2018, 04:44:03 pm
Lying to Congress is pretty much a career change.


Yeah...gets you in line to get elected President.  Like Trump...



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 18, 2018, 04:42:20 pm

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/usworld/ny-times-editorial-scott-pruitt-has-become-ridiculous/article_04e74a2e-1641-569e-8c8c-f7876de4418b.html


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on April 18, 2018, 04:52:39 pm
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/usworld/ny-times-editorial-scott-pruitt-has-become-ridiculous/article_04e74a2e-1641-569e-8c8c-f7876de4418b.html


Clearly a hit piece but I couldn't resist:

"Great job Scottie!"

I found a great Pruitt meme but cannot figure out how to get images to copy properly from teh Googlz anymore.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 18, 2018, 08:30:29 pm
Clearly a hit piece but I couldn't resist:

"Great job Scottie!"

I found a great Pruitt meme but cannot figure out how to get images to copy properly from teh Googlz anymore.


Just to help the heartburn a little bit... cover of "Ice Ice Baby".  That I actually like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC3IxxYsIN8&list=RD_nLmM9kcBKs&index=3



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Ed W on April 19, 2018, 08:12:57 am
Clearly a hit piece but I couldn't resist:


You say "hit piece" but was any of it untrue? Did he not send thousands for the telephone hush box? Did he not want to use lights and sirens to cut through traffic? Did he not insist on flying first class for "security" reasons or insist on using Delta to accumulate frequent flier miles?


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 19, 2018, 12:28:45 pm
Clearly a hit piece but I couldn't resist:

"Great job Scottie!"

I found a great Pruitt meme but cannot figure out how to get images to copy properly from teh Googlz anymore.



I take issue with the headline... he has not 'become' -he has always been ridiculous!

If one is good, it ain't bragging if it's true...

Conversely, if one is bad, it ain't a hit piece if it's true.  It's just truth.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on April 19, 2018, 01:07:37 pm
You say "hit piece" but was any of it untrue? Did he not send thousands for the telephone hush box? Did he not want to use lights and sirens to cut through traffic? Did he not insist on flying first class for "security" reasons or insist on using Delta to accumulate frequent flier miles?

From the tone, it is an angry Op-Ed, not hard news. 


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Hoss on April 19, 2018, 02:39:30 pm
From the tone, it is an angry Op-Ed, not hard news. 

And shouldn't we be angry at what he's done?  Trump isn't draining the swamp, he's installing one.  Moreso than DC was before, if that's even possible.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 19, 2018, 06:23:21 pm
From the tone, it is an angry Op-Ed, not hard news. 

The link does say "editorial"


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on April 20, 2018, 07:58:34 am
The link does say "editorial"

Most of the dumb masses will skim past that.

I have to say, Pruitt has to be the dumbest cabinet appointee since Joycelyn Elders.  But then again, not much of what Trump does makes logical sense.  Could explain why he's been bankrupt multiple times.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 20, 2018, 11:04:59 am
Most of the dumb masses will skim past that.

I have to say, Pruitt has to be the dumbest cabinet appointee since Joycelyn Elders.  But then again, not much of what Trump does makes logical sense.  Could explain why he's been bankrupt multiple times.



And don't forget, adding almost $2 trillion more to the debt over the next 2 years!  He is going for the George W Bush record.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on April 20, 2018, 12:23:40 pm


And don't forget, adding almost $2 trillion more to the debt over the next 2 years!  He is going for the George W Bush record.



Smoke and mirrors, just like the "Clinton" surplus.  never happened.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 20, 2018, 08:43:35 pm
Smoke and mirrors, just like the "Clinton" surplus.  never happened.


Oh, yeah...there will be more than 2 trillion added...


Surplus...well, yeah, there was one.  Didn't stop the debt from rising slightly those years, as seen in the Federal Debt history, but the rising rate was WAY down the other direction from Republican times since 1981.  Just like with Obama...going from George's last of $1.9 trillion to about $1.55 trillion Obama's first year.  Cut by almost $400 billion.  During the worst recession and the effects of W's massive multi-trillion dollar bailouts to his and Dick's buddies.




Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on April 20, 2018, 08:48:55 pm

Oh, yeah...there will be more than 2 trillion added...


Surplus...well, yeah, there was one.  Didn't stop the debt from rising slightly those years, as seen in the Federal Debt history, but the rising rate was WAY down the other direction from Republican times since 1981.  Just like with Obama...going from George's last of $1.9 trillion to about $1.55 trillion Obama's first year.  Cut by almost $400 billion.  During the worst recession and the effects of W's massive multi-trillion dollar bailouts to his and Dick's buddies.




You've got to do a better job of learning when someone is busting your balls.  A simple LOL would have sufficed to my smoke and mirrors comment.  I could likely and probably do recite the debt and deficit (real or imagined) figures in my sleep.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 21, 2018, 04:42:56 pm
You've got to do a better job of learning when someone is busting your balls.  A simple LOL would have sufficed to my smoke and mirrors comment.  I could likely and probably do recite the debt and deficit (real or imagined) figures in my sleep.


I know you are being facetious, but there are SOOO many out there that don't realize that and will take to the Fake News Airways in a flash with it...





Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on April 22, 2018, 09:53:27 pm
I have to say, Pruitt has to be the dumbest cabinet appointee since Joycelyn Elders.  But then again, not much of what Trump does makes logical sense.  Could explain why he's been bankrupt multiple times.

Or this

Trump steaks and pee tests -- a history of Trump products
https://youtu.be/SYxdH9KosJQ

but back on topic

Scott Pruitt Before the E.P.A.: Fancy Homes, a Shell Company and Friends With Money
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/state/scott-pruitt-before-the-e-p-a-fancy-homes-a/article_0692cad3-be0f-5f39-ac24-4df66ad84c2d.html


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Townsend on April 26, 2018, 11:24:48 am
Embattled EPA administrator faces Congress

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/epa-pruitt-congress-hearing/h_f49c105f27b02d79055dc5519b776be0 (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/epa-pruitt-congress-hearing/h_f49c105f27b02d79055dc5519b776be0)

just click the link...this guy is a goddamned mess


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 26, 2018, 01:44:55 pm
Embattled EPA administrator faces Congress

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/epa-pruitt-congress-hearing/h_f49c105f27b02d79055dc5519b776be0 (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/epa-pruitt-congress-hearing/h_f49c105f27b02d79055dc5519b776be0)

just click the link...this guy is a goddamned mess


What a lying sack 'o crap...


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 26, 2018, 01:59:58 pm
Tom Cole just invoked a large manufacturer in OKC area - York Air Conditioning - to 'help' Pruitt try to make his case to get back at California!  Birds of a feather.  They are applying Oklahoma environmental conditions to the LA basin.  Good job, Scott...Not!





Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on April 26, 2018, 08:21:27 pm
Embattled EPA administrator faces Congress

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/epa-pruitt-congress-hearing/h_f49c105f27b02d79055dc5519b776be0 (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/epa-pruitt-congress-hearing/h_f49c105f27b02d79055dc5519b776be0)

just click the link...this guy is a goddamned mess

I do have to laugh though that my Twitter alerts are full of leftist journalists screaming about Pruitt lying to Fox about the pay raises like that is perjury.  Since when did leftist journalists give Fox the time of day anyhow?



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 27, 2018, 08:02:31 am
I do have to laugh though that my Twitter alerts are full of leftist journalists screaming about Pruitt lying to Fox about the pay raises like that is perjury.  Since when did leftist journalists give Fox the time of day anyhow?




Yeah...that's the Fake Fox News normal now....


None of that takes away from the fact that he still is a piece of crap.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 27, 2018, 08:26:14 am
I do have to laugh though that my Twitter alerts are full of leftist journalists screaming about Pruitt lying to Fox about the pay raises like that is perjury.  Since when did leftist journalists give Fox the time of day anyhow?

Even Fox is unhappy about how the story seemed to change:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/26/pruitt-admits-knowing-about-controversial-raise-despite-past-denial.html

Original interview to Fox:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/04/epas-scott-pruitt-pushes-back-on-pay-raise-condo-controversy-in-fox-exclusive.html

Washington Post piece:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2018/04/05/top-epa-ethics-official-says-he-lacked-key-facts-about-pruitts-condo-rental/?utm_term=.3525e925fc99


It isn't good for the narrative when it seems the "lying media" is serving as an effective fourth estate.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 27, 2018, 12:17:28 pm
Even Fox is unhappy about how the story seemed to change:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/26/pruitt-admits-knowing-about-controversial-raise-despite-past-denial.html

Original interview to Fox:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/04/epas-scott-pruitt-pushes-back-on-pay-raise-condo-controversy-in-fox-exclusive.html

Washington Post piece:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2018/04/05/top-epa-ethics-official-says-he-lacked-key-facts-about-pruitts-condo-rental/?utm_term=.3525e925fc99


It isn't good for the narrative when it seems the "lying media" is serving as an effective fourth estate.



As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be...Fake Fox News lying without end.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on April 27, 2018, 07:51:53 pm
Even Fox is unhappy about how the story seemed to change:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/26/pruitt-admits-knowing-about-controversial-raise-despite-past-denial.html

Original interview to Fox:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/04/epas-scott-pruitt-pushes-back-on-pay-raise-condo-controversy-in-fox-exclusive.html

Washington Post piece:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2018/04/05/top-epa-ethics-official-says-he-lacked-key-facts-about-pruitts-condo-rental/?utm_term=.3525e925fc99


It isn't good for the narrative when it seems the "lying media" is serving as an effective fourth estate.

Lying Fox News reporting lies.  When did that ever happen?


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 30, 2018, 08:03:45 am
Lying Fox News reporting lies.  When did that ever happen?


Lol..Dino Yasss!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHEs5k7nGZc



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on May 03, 2018, 06:58:37 pm
EPA attempted to distract from boss’s troubles by planting stories that would reflect poorly on the secretary of the interior.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/1857/11/epa-leaks/559607/


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/01/scott-pruitt-security-superfund-chief-leave-561761


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on May 09, 2018, 11:47:10 am
Here Are The Actual Threats Made Against EPA Chief Scott Pruitt
https://www.buzzfeed.com/zahrahirji/scott-pruitt-epa-death-threats

(http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/embed-md/public/2018/02/06/20180216cover1800-x-2400.jpg)





Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on May 09, 2018, 04:40:30 pm
Thin skin much?


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 09, 2018, 05:37:37 pm
Thin skin much?


He is just reporting the facts.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on May 09, 2018, 11:12:17 pm

He is just reporting the facts.



Ahem, as in Pruitt having thin skin.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: TeeDub on May 10, 2018, 07:29:12 am

The same idiots made the Indian Brewery in Broken Arrow change its name (as it was culturally insensitive.)

You never know when a crackpot is more than just a keyboard tough guy.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 10, 2018, 08:33:54 am
Ahem, as in Pruitt having thin skin.


Oh...yeah!   No doubt about Pruitt...I guess I just figured that was so widely understood...


And having one of Ed's 5:00 am moments...at varying times during the day.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on May 10, 2018, 06:11:59 pm
The same idiots made the Indian Brewery in Broken Arrow change its name (as it was culturally insensitive.)

You never know when a crackpot is more than just a keyboard tough guy.

If Blue Dragonflies or Blu (insert umlaut here) Dragonflies ever get offended, my businesses are jacked.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on May 14, 2018, 02:28:29 pm
Scott Pruitt’s EPA and the White House sought to block publication of a federal health study on a nationwide water-contamination crisis, after one Trump administration aide warned it would cause a "public relations nightmare," newly disclosed emails reveal.

The intervention early this year — not previously disclosed — came as HHS' Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry was preparing to publish its assessment of a class of toxic chemicals that has contaminated water supplies near military bases, chemical plants and other sites from New York to Michigan to West Virginia.

The study would show that the chemicals endanger human health at a far lower level than EPA has previously called safe, according to the emails.

More than three months later, the draft study remains unpublished, and the HHS unit says it has no scheduled date to release it for public comment.


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/14/emails-white-house-interfered-with-science-study-536950


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 14, 2018, 04:11:29 pm
The same idiots made the Indian Brewery in Broken Arrow change its name (as it was culturally insensitive.)

You never know when a crackpot is more than just a keyboard tough guy.


No kidding!  What a crock of carp!   The guys are Native Americans.  They talked to several tribes about it.  Would love to know what candy-a$$, non-Native, a...  I guess I better not say that...

Whoever complained needs to get out their jumbo Crayon set and sit down and color!  Shut up and let the adults talk!  And don't show their ignorant faces at the place.  Ever!

They are now calling it Broken Arrow Brewing Co.  Still a very cool building and I am looking forward to their opening and going out to visit!



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on May 14, 2018, 05:49:05 pm
Scott Pruitt asked for a 24/7 security detail, which he has blamed on security threats, before he ever started working at the agency, the EPA’s internal watchdog said Monday.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/387639-pruitt-asked-for-24-7-security-before-starting-at-epa-watchdog-says


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on May 28, 2018, 09:54:08 pm
EPA Director Pruitt was so sorry for blocking select reporters from covering a water pollution summit that he did it again the next day
http://abc7news.com/epa-criticized-for-again-blocking-reporters-from-chemicals-summit/3512543/


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 30, 2018, 11:14:08 am
EPA Director Pruitt was so sorry for blocking select reporters from covering a water pollution summit that he did it again the next day
http://abc7news.com/epa-criticized-for-again-blocking-reporters-from-chemicals-summit/3512543/


Trump Mini-me.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on June 04, 2018, 09:58:06 am
Trump Mini-me.


Pruitt’s scheduler Millan Hupp told Oversight staff she worked with the managing director of the Trump International Hotel in hopes of securing an old mattress.  She said Pruitt had told her someone at the hotel indicated he could purchase the mattress, though she did not know why he wished to do so and did not know if he ultimately bought it.
 
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/04/scott-pruitt-trump-hotel-mattress-592165



Ugh.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: cannon_fodder on June 04, 2018, 10:47:37 am
Quote
Pruitt and his wife ultimately settled on an apartment on 13th and U streets, but left it shortly afterwards because “they were not comfortable in the area,” according to Hupp.

It's a rapidly gentrifying area with remodeled rowhouses and new condo buildings.  A few subway stops from the Hill.  A 30 minute walk from the EPA HQ. Here's the Google map of the area, go forth and drop a pin.   (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9136778,-77.0295937,434a,35y,39.36t/data=!3m1!1e3)


I love that area.






Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Breadburner on June 04, 2018, 03:57:32 pm
Lol...This guy is doing a great job...As the freak out is just as bad....24/7-365...


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: cannon_fodder on June 05, 2018, 06:58:44 am
Lol...This guy is doing a great job...As the freak out is just as bad....24/7-365...

What is it that he is doing that is great?


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 05, 2018, 09:52:42 am
What is it that he is doing that is great?


Providing a bad example for all our children to see and avoid.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on June 05, 2018, 10:17:15 am
What is it that he is doing that is great?

Preserving old mattress DNA for future generations to enjoy and appreciate?


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Townsend on June 05, 2018, 10:18:24 am
Lol...This guy is doing a great job...As the freak out is just as bad....24/7-365...

You must have something to show for his work if you're responding so lovingly. 

What has he done to show you he's doing a great job?


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 05, 2018, 10:29:48 am
You must have something to show for his work if you're responding so lovingly. 

What has he done to show you he's doing a great job?



You took that one little step past the sound bite - he has no response.  Can't think that far forward into the future.



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Townsend on June 05, 2018, 10:32:18 am


You took that one little step past the sound bite - he has no response.  Can't think that far forward into the future.



Dogturd (I'm referring to him/her as Dogturd going forward) is just posting to post.  He/she has some unfulfilled wants.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 05, 2018, 11:01:07 am
Dogturd (I'm referring to him/her as Dogturd going forward) is just posting to post.  He/she has some unfulfilled wants.



Eewwwww....there you go, painting pictures that I don't wanna see...!!  Unfulfilled wants...Yuck!   We have seen little 'bubbles' of his rise to the surface here over time...not pretty!


Don't know him or where he 'burns' bread - bakery guy in town..??   Now I am hoping I never get to 'experience' whatever it is he does make...


As for nickname, well I haven't taken to calling him names 'cause I don't wanna be down at his level.  Could happen, I guess, but not quite yet.





Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Hoss on June 05, 2018, 11:04:09 am
Dogturd (I'm referring to him/her as Dogturd going forward) is just posting to post.  He/she has some unfulfilled wants.

The ultimate $hitposter.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 05, 2018, 12:10:07 pm
Here...!   This...!!    Need a break from the day to day BS and grind???  This is mesmorizing, requires no particular amount of brainpower to watch, and is really kind of beautiful - I can hardly wait til Theo gets the herds released into the wild so they can live their lives free and unencumbered by the worries of life!!

If you ever needed an example of why the arts are so important in school, even the most unenlightened should be able to make a STEM connection to this!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsqlnGMzMD4


Enjoy!   The music ain't bad, either!



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on June 06, 2018, 09:01:39 am
https://slate.com/technology/2018/06/how-gross-are-hotel-mattresses-make-hotel-bed-cleaner.html


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 06, 2018, 12:23:29 pm
https://slate.com/technology/2018/06/how-gross-are-hotel-mattresses-make-hotel-bed-cleaner.html


What kind of sick 'fanboy' thing has Pruitt got going on that he wants a used mattress from the Trump hotel...??   Think about it...but don't think to long - that goes down a rabbit hole that is more of a Donny Darko Rabbit hole...!!

"Troubled" is probably one of the nicest things to be said about that.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on June 06, 2018, 05:09:16 pm
Salty Language:

Pruitt on Chick-fil-A: 'We need more of them in Tulsa and we need more of them across the country'
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/06/politics/scott-pruitt-chick-fil-a/index.html



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on June 07, 2018, 01:07:21 pm
Why are articles being published about Pruitt and used mattresses in the first place?  SRSLY?


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: swake on June 07, 2018, 04:02:34 pm
Why are articles being published about Pruitt and used mattresses in the first place?  SRSLY?

Who the hell buys a used hotel mattress? That's disgusting.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: BKDotCom on June 07, 2018, 04:05:52 pm
Why are articles being published about Pruitt and used mattresses in the first place?  SRSLY?

a) that's disgusting
b) he had his staff running personal errands for him


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: Conan71 on June 07, 2018, 09:57:35 pm

b) he had his staff running personal errands for him

This is what presidents, monarchs, legislators, and emperors er bureaucrats do.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 08, 2018, 07:12:03 am
Salty Language:

Pruitt on Chick-fil-A: 'We need more of them in Tulsa and we need more of them across the country'
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/06/politics/scott-pruitt-chick-fil-a/index.html





Yeah...mediocre food at too high a price...we need a lot more of that!!



Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: joiei on June 13, 2018, 05:37:38 pm
Apparently our senior citizen senator is getting tired of the stuff his protege is trying to pull. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/epa-scott-pruitt-gop-senator-inhofe_us_5b217e6be4b09d7a3d79e013 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/epa-scott-pruitt-gop-senator-inhofe_us_5b217e6be4b09d7a3d79e013)

“All these things that are coming out are really not good things,” Inhofe said. “I’ve kind of taken the position that if that doesn’t stop, I’m going to be forced to be in a position where I’m going to say, ‘Well, Scott, you’re not doing your job.’ And hopefully that will change.”


Now for those of you who seem to enjoy saying things about me.  Go for it. 


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: patric on June 13, 2018, 06:03:04 pm
Apparently our senior citizen senator is getting tired of the stuff his protege is trying to pull. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/epa-scott-pruitt-gop-senator-inhofe_us_5b217e6be4b09d7a3d79e013 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/epa-scott-pruitt-gop-senator-inhofe_us_5b217e6be4b09d7a3d79e013)

“All these things that are coming out are really not good things,” Inhofe said. “I’ve kind of taken the position that if that doesn’t stop, I’m going to be forced to be in a position where I’m going to say, ‘Well, Scott, you’re not doing your job.’ And hopefully that will change.”


Now for those of you who seem to enjoy saying things about me.  Go for it. 

You have a nice mustache.

Oh, Inhofe.  Like any line-toer he gives his blessings to anyone with the same letter in parentheses after their name, until they figure out they dont actually share as many values as they thought, or their neck hurts from looking the other way.
Its also possible our Kamikaze senator kind of liked not being the center of the nations ire over Okie politicians for a while.


Title: Re: Scott Pruitt to head the EPA
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 14, 2018, 08:34:25 am
Apparently our senior citizen senator is getting tired of the stuff his protege is trying to pull.  

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/epa-scott-pruitt-gop-senator-inhofe_us_5b217e6be4b09d7a3d79e013 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/epa-scott-pruitt-gop-senator-inhofe_us_5b217e6be4b09d7a3d79e013)

“All these things that are coming out are really not good things,” Inhofe said. “I’ve kind of taken the position that if that doesn’t stop, I’m going to be forced to be in a position where I’m going to say, ‘Well, Scott, you’re not doing your job.’ And hopefully that will change.”


Now for those of you who seem to enjoy saying things about me.  Go for it.  


Got nothing right now about you...  will try to come up with something later...


Inhofe - well he is the same kind of slug that Pruitt is, so it is very strange hearing him cast aspersions about things he brags about doing.  Not sure what is going on there, except maybe continuation of his dementia.


Oh, got something...don't let the Bass-Trds get you down.  Keep on truckin' !!

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kotapparel.com/images/categories/kk-251-cat.png&imgrefurl=http://www.kotapparel.com/index.php?main_page%3Dindex%26cPath%3D1&h=200&w=200&tbnid=2z36HbbdneULGM:&q=keep+on+truckin&tbnh=186&tbnw=186&usg=__W50242PRH12nlMi08EBGxCF6lUg%3D&vet=10ahUKEwjmvsqXsNPbAhWOrVkKHRYyDv8Q_B0IvQEwEQ..i&docid=-PtGZoE0LFkS8M&itg=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmvsqXsNPbAhWOrVkKHRYyDv8Q_B0IvQEwEQ