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Title: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Laramie on May 22, 2016, 11:47:50 am Would love to see AAA baseball return to Tulsa from a geographic stand point. We now have a new baseball facility (ONEOK Park) which ranks high among minor league cities. A rivalry with OKC, Memphis, Nashville, New Orleans & Omaha would certainly add to the flavor in spicing up America's greatest past time.
(http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/images/6925668_G.jpg) (http://loricain.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/FieldDowntownBuildings.jpg) ONEOK Park, Tulsa ONEOK Park (seating capacity - 7,833): Field size Left field – 330 feet - Center field – 400 feet - Right field – 307 feet Bricktown Ballpark OKC (seating capacity - 9,000): Field size Left Field: 325 feet - Center Field: 400 feet - Right Field: 325 feet Tulsa Drillers (5,480) Texas League Attendance: http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_att&lid=109 (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_att&lid=109) Pacific Coast League Attendance: http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_att&lid=112&sid=l112 (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_att&lid=112&sid=l112) Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: davideinstein on May 22, 2016, 10:20:40 pm Just what the Roughnecks need...
Sigh. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Breadburner on May 23, 2016, 03:21:57 pm Why would you want it....Most all solid prospects are in AA....
Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: RecycleMichael on May 23, 2016, 05:08:41 pm I agree.
Laramie is from OKC and he continually has opinions about what Tulsa needs for sports, then starts bragging about how good OKC sports are. On the forum called TulsaNow. I have been to 12 Driller games this year. They have great prospects. The opposing teams have great prospects. AA level baseball is better. The AAA team is just a taxi squad. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: davideinstein on May 23, 2016, 06:22:25 pm Why would you want it....Most all solid prospects are in AA.... Truth. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Conan71 on May 23, 2016, 08:20:49 pm Why would you want it....Most all solid prospects are in AA.... Look at the long line of really good MLB players who seasoned here. We’ve got a great product with AA. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Laramie on May 24, 2016, 08:37:36 am Look at the long line of really good MLB players who seasoned here. We’ve got a great product with AA. You have a great consensus on what you feel is best for Tulsa. You live there, you know your city better than anyone. Best of luck in AA, Go Drillers! Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Breadburner on May 24, 2016, 02:15:20 pm Tulsa>Okc..../thread
Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Hoss on May 24, 2016, 02:49:59 pm You have a great consensus on what you feel is best for Tulsa. You live there, you know your city better than anyone. Best of luck in AA, Go Drillers! You never hear ESPN commentators when talking about former OKC players refer to them as 'Former Redhawk such and such'. :) Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: davideinstein on May 24, 2016, 06:32:40 pm Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Hoss on May 24, 2016, 07:24:35 pm Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Conan71 on May 24, 2016, 07:51:26 pm Is it though? If you need to ask, you should just shuffle off to OKC, one less bike in the bike lane for the rest of us ;D Trust me, I flirted with the possibility of living there for a couple of years. Thank Yaweh my wife decided Tulsa was far cooler than OKC so she moved here. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 25, 2016, 10:28:31 am If you need to ask, you should just shuffle off to OKC, one less bike in the bike lane for the rest of us ;D Trust me, I flirted with the possibility of living there for a couple of years. Thank Yaweh my wife decided Tulsa was far cooler than OKC so she moved here. I am still stuck down here (like today!) WAY too much of the time! Just don't get it - so many of the people here are just like in the DirecTV commercials about "Settlers". Guess it comes from the Oklahoma Sooner heritage.... Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: davideinstein on May 25, 2016, 06:40:43 pm If you need to ask, you should just shuffle off to OKC, one less bike in the bike lane for the rest of us ;D Trust me, I flirted with the possibility of living there for a couple of years. Thank Yaweh my wife decided Tulsa was far cooler than OKC so she moved here. I'm not a big fan of OKC. I'm just really down on Tulsa lately after a good run of progress. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 26, 2016, 07:37:02 am I'm not a big fan of OKC. I'm just really down on Tulsa lately after a good run of progress. Can't run on "high" all the time...gotta have quiet times, too. We are still way ahead of OKC as a place to live. Even if (especially if??) we don't have water in our river! Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Breadburner on May 26, 2016, 04:02:48 pm Lol...Down on Tulsa...Good lord....
Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: davideinstein on May 26, 2016, 04:08:19 pm Lol...Down on Tulsa...Good lord.... Evidence is there for a downtrend. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: DowntownDan on May 27, 2016, 12:46:59 pm I think there is some law in effect that whatever league Tulsa sports teams are in have to be a step below anything in OKC. They have NBA, we had NBDL and WNBA (both now gone). They have AAA baseball, we have AA baseball. They had (for a while) AAA hockey, we have AA hockey. We have NPSL (4th tier) and USL (3rd tier) soccer, they have NASL (second tier). They are on the radar for MLS, we're not.
I know pissing contests with a city that has 200,000 more people is kind of silly, but at the same time, it's not. I'm for AAA baseball if for no other reason that the cities you get to play against are better. AAA plays in Memphis, New Orleans, Louisville, Indianapolis, Nashville, Las Vegas, etc. We play against small cities (Springfield, Midland, Corpus) and suburbs (Frisco). The only reason I'm okay with AA is because the Texas League history and like some mentioned, the prospects who play in AA usually have higher ceilings. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: davideinstein on May 27, 2016, 05:44:24 pm I think there is some law in effect that whatever league Tulsa sports teams are in have to be a step below anything in OKC. They have NBA, we had NBDL and WNBA (both now gone). They have AAA baseball, we have AA baseball. They had (for a while) AAA hockey, we have AA hockey. We have NPSL (4th tier) and USL (3rd tier) soccer, they have NASL (second tier). They are on the radar for MLS, we're not. I know pissing contests with a city that has 200,000 more people is kind of silly, but at the same time, it's not. I'm for AAA baseball if for no other reason that the cities you get to play against are better. AAA plays in Memphis, New Orleans, Louisville, Indianapolis, Nashville, Las Vegas, etc. We play against small cities (Springfield, Midland, Corpus) and suburbs (Frisco). The only reason I'm okay with AA is because the Texas League history and like some mentioned, the prospects who play in AA usually have higher ceilings. They are not on the MLS radar and USL will be second division next year. Rayo will go under as will the NASL. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: TulsaRufnex on May 28, 2016, 09:49:13 am They are not on the MLS radar and USL will be second division next year. Rayo will go under as will the NASL. Where are you getting this? Link? I agree with what eventually will happen to Rayo Yukon, but the rest sounds like typical USL misinformation and scuttlebutt. NASL is adding Puerto Rico this fall, San Francisco next Spring, and hopefully Chicago at Soldier Field next spring. http://www.chicagonasl.com/about/faq/ On the topic at hand, ONEOK wasn't built for AAA baseball or professional soccer. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: davideinstein on May 28, 2016, 03:17:38 pm Where are you getting this? Link? I agree with what eventually will happen to Rayo Yukon, but the rest sounds like typical USL misinformation and scuttlebutt. NASL is adding Puerto Rico this fall, San Francisco next Spring, and hopefully Chicago at Soldier Field next spring. http://www.chicagonasl.com/about/faq/ On the topic at hand, ONEOK wasn't built for AAA baseball or professional soccer. It's the expectation from the USL/MLS after the two year application process is over. I don't see why they wouldn't get it since we all know MLS runs the pyramid. Agree on Oneok. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 06, 2016, 02:30:12 pm Evidence is there for a downtrend. He's talking about a different kind of 'down'... Gotta admit, Bread, funny!! Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: AquaMan on June 07, 2016, 06:40:33 am There's our bumper sticker slogan for Tulsa....
Goin' down on Tulsa! Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: rdj on June 07, 2016, 07:21:51 am There's our bumper sticker slogan for Tulsa.... Goin' down on Tulsa! I'm goin' down on T Town! Print the shirts for Crybaby Hill this weekend. Now there is something Tulsa has that OKC has tried to copy and it isn't going as well! Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on June 07, 2016, 09:14:05 am I'm goin' down on T Town! Print the shirts for Crybaby Hill this weekend. Now there is something Tulsa has that OKC has tried to copy and it isn't going as well! Hills? Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: rebound on June 07, 2016, 09:22:30 am Hills? Tulsa Tough, Baby! https://www.facebook.com/TulsaTough/?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/TulsaTough/?fref=ts) I am seriously bummed I won't be here for it this weekend. (But I'll be camping in CO, so not all that bad.) Get out and support Tulsa Cycling! Going to be a great weekend, and Cry Baby Hill should be rockin'! Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Conan71 on June 07, 2016, 09:28:50 am Tulsa Tough, Baby! https://www.facebook.com/TulsaTough/?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/TulsaTough/?fref=ts) I am seriously bummed I won't be here for it this weekend. (But I'll be camping in CO, so not all that bad.) Get out and support Tulsa Cycling! Going to be a great weekend, and Cry Baby Hill should be rockin'! We are volunteering all weekend then leaving for New Mexico Monday night. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: rebound on June 07, 2016, 09:31:39 am We are volunteering all weekend then leaving for New Mexico Monday night. Nice! should have planned my events better. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Conan71 on June 07, 2016, 09:51:39 am Nice! should have planned my events better. Rather a bittersweet trip, going to see a terminally ill friend first then traveling north to look at some potential properties to purchase Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 07, 2016, 12:04:08 pm Rather a bittersweet trip, going to see a terminally ill friend first then traveling north to look at some potential properties to purchase Condolences! And have fun...! Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: JDG78 on June 07, 2016, 02:20:18 pm You do realize a new stadium for the Energy is about to be announced in downtown OKC? Also, Rayo has averaged over 4K fans and the Energy over 5.5K since being OKC. The Energy will soon (within 3-5 years) have a soccer specific stadium near the river at the old COOP site that will be MLS ready. The folks high level at the Energy I know, believe MLS will be in OKC within 7 years. The stadium will be within walking distance to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgfuLk4aGVs I know, I know, the quality of life is so much better in Tulsa..... Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Hoss on June 07, 2016, 03:10:31 pm You do realize a new stadium for the Energy is about to be announced in downtown OKC? Also, Rayo has averaged over 4K fans and the Energy over 5.5K since being OKC. The Energy will soon (within 3-5 years) have a soccer specific stadium near the river at the old COOP site that will be MLS ready. The folks high level at the Energy I know, believe MLS will be in OKC within 7 years. The stadium will be within walking distance to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgfuLk4aGVs I know, I know, the quality of life is so much better in Tulsa..... Well, well..look who's back. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: JDG78 on June 07, 2016, 03:22:43 pm Welcome! The off base and ridiculous comments in this thread/board require response.
Never mind the 21C opening this week and the Criterion..... Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: JDG78 on June 07, 2016, 03:33:23 pm Also, welcome to all my family travelling to OKC from Tulsa for the Dead Center Film Festival. The premiere film festival in the state. Oh wow, I forgot. Tulsa has way more culture. Maybe Keyser can hijack history and claim the Bob Dylan archives and Woody Guthrie heritage as your own...
Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: swake on June 07, 2016, 03:41:47 pm (http://i.imgur.com/DZn2Qhd.jpg)
Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Townsend on June 07, 2016, 03:43:49 pm Also, welcome to all my family travelling to OKC from Tulsa for the Dead Center Film Festival. The premiere film festival in the state. Oh wow, I forgot. Tulsa has way more culture. Maybe Keyser can hijack history and claim the Bob Dylan archives and Woody Guthrie heritage as your own... There are salves for whatever is burning your anal area. It's going to be okay if you like OKC over Tulsa. Seriously, how proud of a town can you be when it's in Oklahoma? Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Hoss on June 07, 2016, 04:40:34 pm (http://i.imgur.com/DZn2Qhd.jpg) Hasn't posted in almost three years, so yes. I find that the d-bag ratio on OKC is typically higher than the national average. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: TulsaRufnex on June 07, 2016, 07:00:06 pm You do realize a new stadium for the Energy is about to be announced in downtown OKC? The sports hucksters in OKC fighting over who controls the Tulsa Roughnecks name have been saying that crap for the last three years I can count... good luck with that. I'm sure it'll go about as well as the tarp your AAA ballclub had to put over 4,000 seats at your ballpark in bricktown this season so it doesn't look quite so much like failure. http://newsok.com/article/4748134 Also, Rayo has averaged over 4K fans About that, I got a couple of tweets today... let's see if I can translate for you: "Se buscan fórmulas para "replegar velas" del Rayo OKC. Dijo Yáñez." Literal translation is: Formulas is looking to "retract candles" Ray OKC. Said Yanez. Figurative translation is: Yañez confirms that Rayo V. will look to "take the sails down" at Rayo OKC. Let's go to the second tweet: "Presa confirma que se estudia qué hacer con la franquicia del Rayo en Oklahoma. Venderla a lo mejor, perdiendo el menor dinero posible." Literal translation is: He confirms that he is studying what to do with the franchise of Rayo in Oklahoma. Sell it to the best, losing less money as possible. Figurative translation is: RAYO OKC is gonna get sold sooner or later and your majority owner wants to get rid of you ASAP, losing as little money as possible. Here's the full story, which IMHO proves that huckster Brad Lund likely misled Rayo Vallecano about the requirements and costs of being in the NASL. Especially since it only took them less than half a season to come to the conclusion that 2nd division soccer at Yukon High School was a bad idea. http://www.empireofsoccer.com/relegated-rayo-vallecano-explore-possible-sale-of-okc-49246/ (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj6Lul3UoAEV5BD.jpg) and the Energy over 5.5K since being OKC. Really? http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?page_id=4366 1st season in 2014: 3,784 2nd season in 2015: 4,635 Five home games into 2016: 5,481 So yeah, you go on a Tulsa site and lie like a dog. BTW, OKC has never had a crowd of over 10,000 fans for soccer... ever. Tulsa has 99 of the top 100 crowds in Oklahoma soccer history. The Energy will soon (within 3-5 years) have a soccer specific stadium near the river at the old COOP site that will be MLS ready. The folks high level at the Energy I know, believe MLS will be in OKC within 7 years. I guess that means for sure that OKC must get better tv ratings than Tulsa for MLS, US Soccer, and Premier League, thus justifying your MLS aspirations, eh? Welp.... not here... http://www.thebentmusket.com/commentary/2014/12/11/7377111/boston-providence-top-improved-tv-ratings-for-mls-cup-final-2014 Or maybe it's here..... http://thefutoncritic.com/ratings/2016/03/30/usa-guatemala-espns-best-audience-for-semifinal-round-of-fifa-world-cup-qualifiers-877514/20160330espn03/ Or maybe the last big weekend for EPL on the NBC networks... http://worldsoccertalk.com/2016/05/16/overnight-tv-ratings-championship-sunday-increase-10-compared-last-year/ Or maybe there's an OKC sighting here in tv ratings for EPL based on a full season.... http://www.socceramerica.com/article/68858/tv-report-epl-outdraws-nhl-in-2015-16.html Okay fine, maybe an FA Cup.... http://www.socceramerica.com/article/58225/english-fa-cup-audience-up-13-percent-on-fox.html You notice a trend here???... I sure as hell do. Now go away TROLL!!! I know, I know, the quality of life is so much better in Tulsa..... Quality of life is just fine here, thank you very much and improving with each passing year... http://agatheringplacefortulsa.com/ https://vimeo.com/43947788 https://vimeo.com/98460227 Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: davideinstein on June 07, 2016, 10:05:31 pm You do realize a new stadium for the Energy is about to be announced in downtown OKC? Also, Rayo has averaged over 4K fans and the Energy over 5.5K since being OKC. The Energy will soon (within 3-5 years) have a soccer specific stadium near the river at the old COOP site that will be MLS ready. The folks high level at the Energy I know, believe MLS will be in OKC within 7 years. The stadium will be within walking distance to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgfuLk4aGVs I know, I know, the quality of life is so much better in Tulsa..... MLS addiction is beyond toxic. What the Energy owners are doing to Tulsa is even worse. Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 08, 2016, 12:19:05 pm Well, well..look who's back. Who is it? I see 3 year reference, but don't remember seeing that name and have been here for more than 3. Other poster name?? Title: Re: Could AAA baseball return to Tulsa? Post by: Laramie on June 08, 2016, 06:04:14 pm You do realize a new stadium for the Energy is about to be announced in downtown OKC? Also, Rayo has averaged over 4K fans and the Energy over 5.5K since being OKC. The Energy will soon (within 3-5 years) have a soccer specific stadium near the river at the old COOP site that will be MLS ready. The folks high level at the Energy I know, believe MLS will be in OKC within 7 years. The stadium will be within walking distance to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgfuLk4aGVs I know, I know, the quality of life is so much better in Tulsa..... No argument there, I lived in Tulsa in the late 70s; it has always been a very clean & beautiful community; however, OKC has shown remarkable 'quality of life' improvements in the last decade. Wish nothing but the best for Oklahoma's two largest metropolitan areas. The Producers' COOP mill site has shut down in lower Bricktown in OKC--operations relocated to Ada, Oklahoma. The site has been purchased by someone; however, details about a buyer hasn't been disclosed or the sales price of the land: (http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/be/9bec5689-180c-59ae-bfe9-08ff3b2ec68a/559e54bfbed7b.image.jpg) Producers Cooperative mill shuts down cotton operation in Oklahoma City - http://newsok.com/article/5432122 (http://newsok.com/article/5432122) Quote The sale announcement on Friday did not disclose the buyer, the sale price or what will happen with the 37-acre property at 4 SE 4. Producers Cooperative Oil Mill members set vote on sale - http://newsok.com/article/5486039 (http://newsok.com/article/5486039) |