The Tulsa Forum by TulsaNow

Maybe it's me, but I used to really enjoy this group and now they've worn on me. I understand there are some talented people associated with them but why do they have to attach their name to everything? Why do they think they speak for all young voters in Tulsa? The core shows up at events then disappear over the long haul and it's more of a social club than anything.

A drunk clique....

I agree that is mostly a social and networking hub, and I agree that they can seem a bit self aggrandizing... but overall, it is a group of younger Tulsa citizens getting involved. And that's a good thing. In reality, it is the Tulsa Regional Junior Chamber of Commerce. So just like the Chamber sometime rubs me the wrong way, so do the TY Pros. Just like the Chamber sometimes gets it right, so do the TY Pros.

But overall, I like the TY Pros better than the Chamber.  ;)

Maybe it's because they understand that there is no value or gain in tearing down a 52 story office building, the building to the west of it, a hotel and destroying a green space just to reconnect two streets from one area to another.

That was one of the dumbest ideas I have heard.....

It's nice that they're getting involved, but I'd really like to see them follow something to a better completion.

There is little doubt they are a networking club of sorts.

My experience with their "government crew" over the last year is they have been very diligent about presenting public forums on topical issues such as the outlet mall on Turkey Mountain and a forum on the Vision Tulsa package.

Not just you.


Goes to that whole, "arrogance of youth" thing....they don't even know what they don't know yet.   But that also comes with a certain energy that could be a force for good with a little adult supervision....leading to an interesting conundrum - if one is going to be member of an exclusionary elitist group of children, how does one get the adult supervision so desperately needed?

Wow. Adults huh? Like our forward thinking Mayor? Or all the "adults" that let Downtown Tulsa rot and fall far behind other cities? I'm not a member of TYPROS but anyone working to help make Tulsa a better place to live perhaps deserves a little less condescension about their being "children."

Wow!  Took almost two hours for a reply to that!!   Come on kids, can't ya keep up with the old guy...??  

Lol.  As for being serious about that, well, maybe just a tiny bit, but since all my kids, grandkids, and in just about 8 to 10 years, all the great grandkids are gonna be in that group, I am not gonna paint them as well as so many other young people I know with a bad brush.  In fact, I am much more optimistic about y'all than many of the young people I know.  Amazes me at how disparaging you are about each other....



As for Tulsa...yeah...I have been chanting that mantra since the mid-60s - since I was a kid.  Many of those rants can be seen here.  Welcome aboard!!  Hope you got enough energy for the long, LONG, haul !!  Gonna need it....

They rub me wrong as well. But not because of their social club status. Everyone gets to decide their own associations. Its because I have twice provided service to some in their group and they have no CPR skills. Courtesy, Politeness, Respect. Add in their obvious hostility for age instead of discerning behaviors and motivations (like the above comment) and yes, they come off as freshmen Greek clubs.

Still, I like their intentions.

Falls under that category of   ....they don't even know what they don't know yet....


They will figure it out, just like we did.  Everyone I knew when young was exactly the same.  Some were football players on the high school team and even worse!!  Mostly seem to have turned out ok.

Well, then there is also Rick Couri....

There's no way they understand the value of a connectivity argument if you guys don't.

It is my understanding their leadership wasn't happy with the final Vision package involving items they had lobbied against included, such as the public safety component.  As a result their leadership voted to not endorse the package.  They didn't come out against the package, but didn't actively promote a yes vote.  That is in stark contrast to what the Tulsa Regional Chamber wanted them to do.  I'd say kuddos to their leadership for standing up for what they believed in and not doing exactly what their primary funding source wanted them to do.

Good!

Now watch the funding be taken away....

FWIW myself and many other adults felt the same way. One component of leadership is showing courage to do what is right in the face of majority disagreement. Now that its done though, you just soldier on.

They sure didn't budge on social media saying they were against the public safety package.

They're sort of like puppies.  Cute to watch, annoying to be around, energetic, good-natured, over-confident, possessing short-attention spans, and unable to tell the difference between a valuable antique chair and a chew toy.

Still, when they show up in force, people pay attention.  I heard that they recently showed up to a COT engineering meeting and got staff to think about bike lanes on an Improve Our Tulsa project.  And, they made a big showing at the "sidewalk-gate" (on Riverside) meeting last year.  Both of these things make me happy.

Personally, I wouldn't brag about bringing national chains to Tulsa.  We've got plenty of that.  Need to focus on being us and supporting local entrepreneurs, who will build and keep wealth here in Tulsa.

Here's an interesting article about why Dunkin Donuts is not good for building local wealth or benefiting local small entrepreneurs.  http://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2014/1/20/dunkin-our-future.html (http://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2014/1/20/dunkin-our-future.html)

To open a DD, you need a minimum of $500k net worth, and $250k of that in liquid assets.  This is not something your average TU grad has... even after working for 20 years!

The main point of the article is that young entrepreneurs don't open Dunkin D's, wealthy investors do.  The folks who own the franchises hire people to work there, but their employees don't build wealth.  They're just underpaid worker bees.  The corporation makes money, and the wealthy investor makes money, but the guys who work for them don't.  

Contrast this with a small, locally owned donut shop, where a hard-working person could make a go of it without already being rich (without the vast financial reserves required by Dunkin D). If they're successful, the money they make stays in town.  They can build wealth that benefits their family and the community a lot more than a part time low wage job.

If I were the Typros I wouldn't be crowing too much about DD.  While many typros will be qualified to WORK at a Dunkin D, I don't see many of them owning one.  But, hey, maybe they can work their way up to part-time night manager.  Afterall... someone has to make the donuts!  (And keep those corporate profits flowing... to Massachusetts.)

Be nice!!  YOU were a puppy once, even if ya don't remember it.... Good description, though!

COT meeting is a good sign - active participation on a topic that is important.  Now...how is the follow through?  MOST people - including old ones - are in this "American Mode" where we identify a problem, focus on it for a while, throw resources at it, then declare victory and leave the field.  Leaving no "sentries" to stand watch.  Which allows the problem to come right back.  Time after time after time after time....  Cases in point - Nixon, Reagan, Baby Bush, and Trump/Cruz/Rubio if one of them gets in.   (Notice I did not include Daddy Bush - he was probably one who should have been re-elected.)

Yeah - we probably have enough national chains such that we shouldn't be making much of a deal about it.  More could be ok, but if not, then ho-hum...who cares...?


Dunkin' Donuts - I really like them, no matter where they are from.  There is a new one in OKC area that is almost directly in my typical traffic pattern when I am there - and YAY!!   SWMBO likes the coffee...says it is very good, so she will be thrilled when DD open in Tulsa!   They were heading this direction - finally - no matter what typros or any other civic group had to say about it.  It's a non-event as far as feathers in caps.

Hello, hello!     (That's cute no matter who you are...)

Don't be put off.  Get back into the fray!   See previous note about follow through.  If ya got something to say, and if you are like minded to those who showed up at CTO engineering meeting, you DO, then keep saying it.

There is a force in the universe...   Remember, rust never sleeps!   Be the rust...

Take off on....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWH811TcckU

I started thinking after a remark on another thread about police and fire districts. We have entertainment districts, red light districts (well, somewhere), industrial/commercial districts, etc.

Why not have a district whose zoning only allows for domestic businesses? Home grown, organic businesses that serve to aid their surrounding community. This would allow those who can't tolerate the conformity and boredom of franchise businesses to enjoy more localized food and services. We could take some rather unprofitable or marginal areas and encourage them to be developed with aid from the Service Corps of Retired Executives, the TYPRO's, etc. It could be limited to state or metro businesses but no out of area or franchise type businesses.

I know there are business incubators and of course the Made In Oklahoma section of the Tulsa State Fair, but this goes a bit farther.

If you think about it, that’s managed to happen organically in the Brady, Greenwood, Blue Dome and to a lesser extent Cherry St. districts without any sort of restrictions.

Local places can succeed in Tulsa for sure.