The Tulsa Forum by TulsaNow

http://www.newson6.com/story/31363617/bob-dylans-archives-coming-to-tulsa

The GKFF and the University of Tulsa have acquired the Bob Dylan Archives and intend to build a permanent home for them in the Brady Arts District.

The Guthrie Center is fully utilized. There is ~1500 square feet of open space used for traveling exhibits, I could see that temporarily showing some Dylan exhibits... but nothing permanent. The Dylan Archive ($15-20mil) apparently dwarfs the Guthrie Center ($3mil) in scale.

The University of Tulsa and Guthrie (via GKFF) have space along Brady across from Guthrie Green.  A large reason they won the bid is because of how well Gilcrease is managed by TU and how well the Guthrie transaction went with GKFF. Gilcrease is archiving some of the items now, but Gilcrease has no presence int he Brady. I'm assuming they want to get a presence there and this is a great way of doing it.

GKFF happens to own several tracks of land across from Griffin Media (north of Gypsy Coffee) that are underutilized, BOK Foundation also owns the rest of the building on Archer where the library is going in, and BOK owns the entire block where the Pop Museum is going and the block to the east of there. Plenty of land held by partner entities in the area to build on. Also some under utilized old buildings still hovering around the immediate area (though the number is dwindling).

The speculation will be fun!

The Zarrow Center is Gilcrease/TU

https://gilcrease.org/zarrow/

Who is going to translate.....

Tom Petty of course

That made me laugh....!!!

The speculation will be fun!

Select items from the collection will eventually be exhibited at the Bob Dylan Center, the primary public venue for the archive. The George Kaiser Family Foundation's Executive Director Ken Levit, and University of Tulsa President Gerard Clancy, announced that they are now accepting design proposals for the Bob Dylan Center, which will be housed in an existing building in Tulsa's Brady Arts District. An expected opening date has yet to be announced.

What building do we think it will be in?

http://www.gkff.org/bobdylancenter/

the "Tulsa Paper Company Building", which currently has Zarrow and Philbrook Downtown. 

Would those institutions be relocating? It doesn't seem plausible that every museum in town is going to maintain a branch in a single building downtown.

Would someone be moving to the new building? I thought for sure the Dylan center would go in there.

When the building is fully completed by spring 2017, it will feature 35 Tulsa Artist Fellowship (TAF) work studios, 14 TAF apartments and 10 ground-floor retail spaces.
With nine of the 10 retail tenants confirmed, the building will include Strange Donuts, Goods Bodega, Lone Wolf restaurant and bar, Glacier Confection, Holy Mountain Records, Magic City Books, and Made.

The below PDF files highlight the space within the Tulsa Paper Company building that will be dedicated to the Bob Dylan Center.  This space, currently called the Zarrow Center for Art and Education, has approximately 18,000 square feet dedicated to programming. The basement is approximately 6,000 additional square feet of space dedicated to storage and mechanical systems. Apart from signage, the Bob Dylan Center project will be primarily an interior renovation and exhibit design project and will not require many, if any, changes to the exterior of the building.

So it appears the new Archer building is filling up, so I don't think anything will relocate there on account of the Dylan archives:
http://gtrnews.com/greater-tulsa-reporter/14554/east-village-brady-see-new-projects


The linked GKFF page indicates that the Zarrow Center space is up for redevelopment as the Bob Dylan Center,  but the comment from the Kaiser website doesn't mention Philbrook:
http://www.gkff.org/bobdylancenter/

I hope Zarrow relocates.  If so, where?

And is Philbrook affected by the Dylan Center or not?

The George Kaiser Family Foundation recently purchased the land that now houses the old Western Supply warehouses at 424 North Boulder. GKFF is asking for $306,000 for streetscaping around that area, but they are still being tight-lipped about exactly what they plan to develop there.

Bob Dylan Center taking shape in Tulsa with location, opening date, design firm finalized

The center will be at Archer Street and MLK Boulevard and is set to open in 2021

Olson Kundig, a Seattle architectural firm whose projects include the recent upgrade of Seattle’s iconic Space Needle, has been selected by the George Kaiser Family Foundation as lead architect and exhibit designer for The Bob Dylan Center, the future home of the Bob Dylan Archives.

The foundation also finalized the location of the center, now set to open in 2021. The new building will be constructed on what is now a parking lot at the corner of Archer Street and Martin Luther King Boulevard in the Tulsa Arts District, just east of the Hardesty Arts Center.

Olson Kundig won first place in the international design competition following an extensive evaluation process by a committee of advisers, including representatives of the George Kaiser Family Foundation and Bob Dylan’s management team.

Tulsa-based Lilly Architects is partnering with Olson Kundig as the architect of record for the project and Plains of Yonder is the partner for audio and multimedia experiences for the project.

“After reviewing proposals from top firms around the world, we agreed that Olson Kundig’s experience, talent and design aesthetic stood out as the best fit for this project,” said Ken Levit, executive director of the George Kaiser Family Foundation. “We’re excited about the vision that Olson Kundig expressed for a world-class cultural center that will do justice to the iconic Bob Dylan collection.”

This will be the firm’s first project in Oklahoma. Among its other projects are the visitors center at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the Bezos Center for Innovation at the Museum of History and Industry in Seattle, the headquarters for the South Korean luxury clothiers Shinsegae International and the Marriott Los Cabos Resort and Spa in Mexico.

Tom Kundig, architecture design principal for Olson Kundig said, “This is a deeply meaningful project for us — not only acting as architectural support to Bob’s transformational legacy and creative, disciplined force, but also in preserving the teaching value of his legacy for future generations.”

Alan Maskin, design principal of exhibits for Olson Kundig said: “Since the 1960s, I have been inspired by the role that change and reinvention have played in the creative life of Bob Dylan. I’m grateful to the George Kaiser Foundation and the Dylan Center Advisory Council for selecting our team to reveal and share the treasure of a largely unseen archive to future audiences in perpetuity.”

In 2016, Dylan cited the Woody Guthrie Center, which the Kaiser foundation established in 2013 after acquiring the archives of the influential folk songwriter, as one of the reasons he chose Tulsa for his own archives.

“I’m glad that my archives, which have been collected all these years, have finally found a home and are to be included with the works of Woody Guthrie and especially alongside all the valuable artifacts from the Native American Nations (in Philbrook Downtown). To me, it makes a lot of sense and it’s a great honor,” Dylan said.

The center, dedicated to the study and appreciation of Dylan and his worldwide cultural significance, is expected to open in 2021. In the interim, the foundation plans to stage an ongoing series of Dylan-related Tulsa events under the banner of The Bob Dylan Center. Information on these events will be posted at bobdylancenter.com.

The center will be readily accessible by artists, historians, musicologists, cultural critics and the public seeking a deeper comprehension of Dylan’s work, the myriad of influences that it embodies and the offshoots that he has inspired.

The center will coexist and interact with two related entities: The Bob Dylan Archive, located at the Helmerich Center for American Research at Gilcrease Museum, the archives’ permanent repository accessible only to qualified researchers and scholars; and The Institute for Bob Dylan Studies at the University of Tulsa, an academic program focused on Dylan and related cultural subjects.

Isn't it ironic how such an extremist right wing state can give so much lip service to such not extremist right wing performers...?   We love our Woody Guthrie, U2, and Bob Dylan...

Not at all. The people funding the Bob Dylan, Woody Guthrie museums are liberal democrats (GKFF) and they're going in to a liberal area and it is publicized by a more moderate-to-liberal-leaning newspaper.

Also, most people can separate music and politics. You can love the music and hate their sometimes-moronic opinions.

Not at all. The people funding the Bob Dylan, Woody Guthrie museums are liberal democrats (GKFF) and they're going in to a liberal area and it is publicized by a more moderate-to-liberal-leaning newspaper.

Also, most people can separate music and politics. You can love the music and hate their sometimes-moronic opinions.

Not at all. The people funding the Bob Dylan, Woody Guthrie museums are liberal democrats (GKFF) and they're going in to a liberal area and it is publicized by a more moderate-to-liberal-leaning newspaper.

Also, most people can separate music and politics. You can love the music and hate their sometimes-moronic opinions.

Actually, I wouldn't consider GKFF "Liberal Democrats" at least not Mr. Kaiser or Kenny Levitt.  Just caring and thinking people with progressive ideas.  Not sure about Kenny, but I know Mr. Kaiser has contributed to quite a few Republican candidates and causes and I do believe Phil Lakin, who sits on the board of GKFF and is the director of TCF, another GK initiative is a registered Republican.

The older I get, the less I recognize "conservative" or "liberal" and the more I recognize original thought and rational discussion. 

Tulsa would be such a different place without George Kaiser and the visionaries he's hired to work for him.

Yeah, maybe like Ted Nugent?   Or Toby Keith...  I see what you are saying - there are a lot of their supporters around too, supporting their moronic opinions!   Even some other than RWRE...

Lot of people I saw at the U2 concert that couldn't.  If you go to a U2 concert not expecting some politics thrown in that you may or may not like, then you're just not well-informed.

That's arguable as U2 is a household name and not everyone follows everything they do, but regardless they still have the right to be angry about being preached at when they paid $70+ a ticket for a show. When they have a captive audience they force propaganda on, that is not "separating music and politics" and those in attendance have the right to be angry. I guess they deserve it for paying so much to see an elderly band that hasn't made anything good in over a quarter century.

It’s funny that the discussion turned to political labels in a thread about a guy who in many ways is an enigma and defied labels the politics of the day tried to place on him.

Isn't it ironic how such an extremist right wing state can give so much lip service to such not extremist right wing performers...?   We love our Woody Guthrie, U2, and Bob Dylan...

Yeah, maybe like Ted Nugent?   Or Toby Keith...  I see what you are saying - there are a lot of their supporters around too, supporting their moronic opinions!   Even some other than RWRE...

I was specifically talking about the moronic opinions of embracing communism or socialism and it somehow being "cool" for rock/rap stars.

While many musicians (especially rock/classic bands) tend to be extreme leftists, there are practically no rock bands that are extreme-right or even right-wing at all. Of course country music will have many republican/right-leaning bands, but definitely no famous bands who are publically fascists.

Somehow it is cool to embrace the left-leaning ideologies of mass-genocide but it's completely uncool to be a free-market conservative. The two deadliest ideologies of the 20th century led to well over 100 million deaths: communism/socialism.
Fascism is terrible also, although not nearly as deadly, but it is already shunned and virtually no one goes around bragging about being fascist like that's a good thing whereas there's a culture of wearing communist patches and Che Guevera shirts, and becoming a socialist/communist among rock/rap bands and young people.  

If you're inferring Hitler in those, explain to me how his regime was 'left-leaning'.  Please.

I was specifically talking about the moronic opinions of embracing communism or socialism and it somehow being "cool" for rock/rap stars.

While many musicians (especially rock/classic bands) tend to be extreme leftists, there are practically no rock bands that are extreme-right or even right-wing at all. Of course country music will have many republican/right-leaning bands, but definitely no famous bands who are publically fascists.

Somehow it is cool to embrace the left-leaning ideologies of mass-genocide but it's completely uncool to be a free-market conservative. The two deadliest ideologies of the 20th century led to well over 100 million deaths: communism/socialism.
Fascism is terrible also, although not nearly as deadly, but it is already shunned and virtually no one goes around bragging about being fascist like that's a good thing whereas there's a culture of wearing communist patches and Che Guevera shirts, and becoming a socialist/communist among rock/rap bands and young people.  

Well blame heironymouspasparagus for yet another inaccurate inflammatory statement that this is an "extremist right wing state". Complete lie that is intended to be an insult (or he's just trolling as usual).


There's nothing ironic that the Tulsa World is publicizing that a museum for one of the most famous American musicians of all time is coming to Tulsa, Oklahoma (and that he has tens of thousands of fans here that will be happy about this). His museum will be next door to AHHA, and Zarrow and on the same block as Guthrie and 108 Contemporary so it'll fit right in.

That's arguable as U2 is a household name and not everyone follows everything they do, but regardless they still have the right to be angry about being preached at when they paid $70+ a ticket for a show. When they have a captive audience they force propaganda on, that is not "separating music and politics" and those in attendance have the right to be angry.

I think he's putting Hitler in as the afterthought fascist...  But he's not wrong on the general numbers.  The deaths in Communist Russia, China, and Cambodia are close to, or possibly over (different estimates) 100M.

Holding aside Woody, who was definitely a Socialist (the Depression and the Dust Bowl will do things to people),  I'd be hard-pressed to name a prominent rock band that was/is actually Socialist.  Social-Democrat?  More left-leaning and supportive of higher levels of govt involvement?  Sure.  But unless we classify countries like Canada and England as Socialist, I think the label would be hard to support.

But I agree on the whole "let's wear the Che shirt and be cool thing", as I am sure very few of those people wearing the shirt would actually want to live the way Che wanted us to. 

That's arguable as U2 is a household name and not everyone follows everything they do, but regardless they still have the right to be angry about being preached at when they paid $70+ a ticket for a show. When they have a captive audience they force propaganda on, that is not "separating music and politics" and those in attendance have the right to be angry. I guess they deserve it for paying so much to see an elderly band that hasn't made anything good in over a quarter century.

Also, I chuckle at the "who's the biggest mass murderer" debate.  Hitler and Mussolini were right wing fascists. Stalin and Mao were leftist communists.  They were all narcissistic authoritarians.

The primary aim of all of them was to accumulate and use the power of the state to advance their own egos and prosperity.  Loyalty to them was more important than anything else, because it is the only thing seen as always helping to advance that goal.  Civil rights, rule of law, individual liberty, checks and balances, actually being a Republic (they always pretend to be a representative government), or really adhering to any political ideology... irrelevant.  Take any system you want, place an egotistical narcissistic at the helm, then give them enough space and any system can be driven into the ground. Left wing, right wing, it doesn't really matter.

Political ideology is a circle.  At one point the far left and the far right are nearly indistinguishable.  One side represses the people for "patriotism" or "God" and the other does it for "the greater good" or "the masses."  You end up in the same place. The ideology that is used as an excuse for the results is secondary.

Also, I chuckle at the "who's the biggest mass murderer" debate.  Hitler and Mussolini were right wing fascists. Stalin and Mao were leftist communists.  They were all narcissistic authoritarians.

The primary aim of all of them was to accumulate and use the power of the state to advance their own egos and prosperity.  Loyalty to them was more important than anything else, because it is the only thing seen as always helping to advance that goal.  Civil rights, rule of law, individual liberty, checks and balances, actually being a Republic (they always pretend to be a representative government), or really adhering to any political ideology... irrelevant.  Take any system you want, place an egotistical narcissistic at the helm, then give them enough space and any system can be driven into the ground. Left wing, right wing, it doesn't really matter.

Political ideology is a circle.  At one point the far left and the far right are nearly indistinguishable.  One side represses the people for "patriotism" or "God" and the other does it for "the greater good" or "the masses."  You end up in the same place. The ideology that is used as an excuse for the results is secondary.

I know what you meant - I just clarified it to show the equal extremist right wing fascist leanings of at least as many in the other direction.  You didn't catch that??

And practically no rockers that are right wingers, huh?  Whew!  Where did you grow up??   Ted Nugent is an extremist right winger, if ya hadn't caught that by now.  There are actually quite an assortment...some you might even recognize.  Kid Rock.  Johnny Ramone.  Eric Clapton.  50 Cent (rapper, NOT rock, and drug dealer at 12), Elvis Presley, Phil Collins, Gene Simmons, and others I really don't know, but not really rock...like one of the Spice Girls.  And who could ever forget Lynyrd Skynyrd.  Some I like quite a bit - Sammy Hagar, and Meatloaf.  I like Ted's music, too, but don't tell anyone... But then I am not an extremist left or right.  I am an extreme moderate.

Fascism not nearly as deadly, huh?  From someone obviously not familiar with history.  Like US history... A long, glorious history of extermination and genocide.  Between us and Hitler, we got all the commies beat on extermination.  Where is it you think the Nazi's and Stalin got the pattern for what they did??  They knew history.  In fairness, we got a lot of our learning from the Dutch and Genghis Khan, but we did not have to embrace and repeat.

Yeah, no one goes around bragging about being a fascist, except the people like go to Charlottesville - the ones highly praised by Trump as being many fine people.  You again, appear to have NO clue about the past of Trump and his family - they have a LONG history, back about 100 years, to his grandfather, of bigoted, racist, fascist thought AND action, documented repeatedly in the news, and Federal Courts.  But that is easily dismissed and overlooked, ain't it?   After all, he is "our guy" to those elements.

You would also likely to be one to dismiss and excuse the Bush family for grandpa's role in supporting and financing the Nazi Germany war machine through their banking interests almost to the end of 1942 - well after our kids were getting killed by the Nazi's.

Here is a little clue for you - any dictator whether claiming to be left or right, is just another dictator, and as such, worthy of condemnation and elimination.  They are all the same no matter what ideology they make noise about.

This forum sometimes... Geez. Thought this was a thread on the archives. Seems like most of the conversation should be moved to some other thread. Maybe called Deep Thoughts or something...

Who all is familiar with Olson Kundig? Have you seen their work? If not look them up. Truly one of the best architecture firms in the world. I'm very excited to have a building of theirs in Tulsa. I think it will help elevate the architecture experience in Tulsa.
 

This forum sometimes... Geez. Thought this was a thread on the archives. Seems like most of the conversation should be moved to some other thread. Maybe called Deep Thoughts or something...

Who all is familiar with Olson Kundig? Have you seen their work? If not look them up. Truly one of the best architecture firms in the world. I'm very excited to have a building of theirs in Tulsa. I think it will help elevate the architecture experience in Tulsa.
 

Or maybe Lunatic Fringe Rantings...?

Olson Kundig does great work.  Has anyone seen any exterior renderings of the Dylan Archives yet? 

That should be your username as a warning. Or maybe I'll just hide your comments because they often add nothing and read like a troll.

https://www.newson6.com/story/41374774/bob-dylan-center-location-announced-in-downtown-tulsa

Publicly announced - Bob Dylan Center taking over the Philbrook Downtown space

So are they not building a new facility now?

Nope

Anyone visited the museum yet? I know we were all hoping a new building would take a parking lot out, but I've seen a ton of buzz around the center.