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Title: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on November 16, 2015, 09:01:24 am
GT Bynum has finally announced one of Tulsa’s worst-kept secrets that he is running for mayor.

I had also seen recently that George Kaiser was hosting or co-hosting Bartlet’s (sic) first major fund-raiser last Thursday which would tend to indicate that Kathy Taylor will not run this time around.

I believe GT could be a really good mayor, but from the article in the Tulsa World, it sounds as if he doesn’t differ much with Dewey on the issues, it’s just time for someone else to be mayor.

Obviously, we need a better visionary than the current mayor in terms of development and understanding what sort of amenities attract young professionals.

Who would be other good candidates?

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/elections/tulsa-s-race-for-mayor-is-on/article_a382d08d-a724-5801-9864-7646ebfab493.html

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The race to be Tulsa’s next mayor is starting.

Tulsa City Councilor G.T. Bynum said he is running for mayor in 2016 and plans to file committee paperwork with the city clerk on Monday so he can start fundraising.

“I have no interest in just being mayor,” Bynum said. “I would only want to run for it if I think we can accomplish some big things. The dynamics are in place to really unify the city and push toward a couple of big goals.”

Bynum’s announcement is the first major declaration for mayor in the coming election.

Mayor Dewey Bartlett said Friday that he has not officially announced his intention to run for re-election. However, Bartlett said he had a successful fundraiser Thursday night to benefit his campaign.

“I obviously haven’t officially announced,” Bartlett said. “I just kind of wanted to gauge what the public’s perception of me is if I threw a little get-together. It was very positive. We had a number of people from all over the city.”

What to expect

Tulsa’s election laws have changed to a nonpartisan system that necessitated filing deadlines for office in April, followed by a June primary election, then a possible August runoff and a November general election.

In 2009, when he was elected to his first term, Bartlett announced his campaign in June, a month before filing was due and three months before a

September primary, after then-Mayor Kathy Taylor announced she would not seek re-election.

Bartlett, 68, and Bynum, 38, met Friday to discuss their intentions, both officials confirmed.

“He said, ‘You will have been there for seven years,’ and that he thinks it’s time for someone else to be mayor,” Bartlett said. “There’s a lot of people that would certainly like to be mayor. It will be interesting.”

Both Bartlett and Bynum said they don’t foresee Vision renewal efforts being politicized or jeopardized in the mayoral campaign process.

Both have been the leaders in efforts to “put water in the river” — a major portion of the Vision discussion.

Another substantial portion, funding for public safety, is a major effort on Bartlett’s part that Bynum has shared common ground and goals on.

“I’ve been very consistent the last several years on my view for Vision,” Bartlett said. “I think clearly that Vision renewal has to have a serious component of support for public safety.”

Bynum recently said he supports some portion of Vision going to public safety, in line with Bartlett’s position.
The platforms

Bynum said the platform of his campaign has two immediate goals: to make the city have an active role in improving education and to take steps to make Tulsa more competitive nationally.

“If you look at our overall economic development as a region, we’ve been doing pretty good for the last 20 to 30 years,” Bynum said. “Jobs have been coming here. Companies have been coming here. But the problem has been that the employees too often go and live in the suburbs instead of the city.”
Bynum said Bartlett and the city have fallen behind in retaining young professionals and attracting young professionals nationally.

“I don’t think the city government has done a good enough job in the last six years of being focused on national competitiveness, and I don’t think we can afford another four years of that type of approach,” he said.

Bynum said he wants to avoid a negative campaign against Bartlett.

“My focus on this is not about a negative campaign against Dewey,” Bynum said. “The very first campaign I ever worked on was Dewey’s campaign for the City Council in 1990 when he ran for the seat that I have. … I like him a lot, and I’m not interested in a negative campaign.”

On education, Bynum said he hopes to be aggressive in improving education efforts in Tulsa to attract families to reside in the city limits.

“Historically, the city has taken a pass on a leadership role in education,” Bynum said.

“That goes from pre-K through college. We provide crossing guards in schools and in an occasional bond issue we will do some work with them, but there is no comprehensive city education strategy in place. That is why we lose so much of our growth, in my opinion, to suburban communities.”
Bartlett said his two terms have been successful in partnerships with education groups, which he would continue.

“Our aerospace academy is a perfect example of how our administration has involved a variety of educational groups,” Bartlett said. “And that will be replicated. Right now it’s aerospace, but the next focus I believe will be in manufacturing.”

Bartlett’s long goal of meshing Tulsa’s aerospace industry with a high school education program was realized earlier this fall with the first class of the Tulsa Tech Aerospace Academy.

“I’ve always put economic development and job creation at the top of my list,” Bartlett said. “Everything we’ve done in the past we’ve asked the question, ‘Does it create jobs? Does it support economic development? Is it inclusive to the city or exclusive?’ ”


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Townsend on April 14, 2016, 12:38:49 pm
I've noticed several local news organizations talking about the Facebook Tulsa Mayoral race going on.

It looks as though there's some calling out going on.

Who's calling the mayoral race for Bynum?


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on April 14, 2016, 12:59:31 pm
Blake Ewing tore Bartlet (sic) a new one on the Facebooks, basically saying that Dewey’s participation in the Vision Tulsa package was deft at best and that Dewby is taking credit for everyone else’s work.

This is going to be a tough one to call.  Dewby can count on his Southern Hills cabal to back him for another term, but Bynum also runs in some of those same groups.  I think amongst younger voters, he will do well.  Amongst Dewby’s peers, they will think of him as the “little LaFortune kid” and will want to continue on with this sad legacy of Bartlet (sic).

Honestly, my call on the Vision Tulsa vote was way off, and I thought the dams would be GT’s “Waterloo" so I’m the wrong prognosticator when it comes to Tulsa elections, apparently.

Anyone who will pledge to clean out this entire administration (Clay Bird in particular) and come up with a serious lobbying effort to change our tax base from being so sales tax dependent is someone who would earn my vote.  I don’t want more of the same under Bynum or anyone for that matter.  We have a backwards-thinking administration who thinks building more retail is our salvation when all it does is further dilute the tax base and increase pressure on already failing infrastructure.



Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: davideinstein on April 14, 2016, 03:46:54 pm
Two Republicans with one being more polished (Bynum). Not voting for either unless Bynum put together one hell of a plan before the election.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Hoss on April 14, 2016, 05:32:20 pm
Two Republicans with one being more polished (Bynum). Not voting for either unless Bynum put together one hell of a plan before the election.

Didn't they make it now so that Mayoral elections are no longer party based?


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: davideinstein on April 14, 2016, 05:55:14 pm
Didn't they make it now so that Mayoral elections are no longer party based?

They are still registered Republicans. But yes.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 15, 2016, 07:33:34 am
Ewing also pointed out on the Facebook that Bartlett thought Tulsa was getting the Betamax HQ, instead of the BMW headquarters.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: swake on April 15, 2016, 08:04:06 am
So Tom Atkinson, who is Bartlett's brother in law, is the co-chair on Bynum's campaign?

This is just great. Atkinson is also running for Congress.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: AquaMan on April 15, 2016, 12:09:06 pm
Ewing also pointed out on the Facebook that Bartlett thought Tulsa was getting the Betamax HQ, instead of the BMW headquarters.

That there is funny. Gotta be old enough to remember Betamax though.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: davideinstein on April 15, 2016, 03:51:54 pm
So Tom Atkinson, who is Bartlett's brother in law, is the co-chair on Bynum's campaign?

This is just great. Atkinson is also running for Congress.

Politics need new blood in this city.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Red Arrow on April 15, 2016, 09:56:44 pm
That there is funny. Gotta be old enough to remember Betamax though.

Anyone want a bunch of VHS tapes of Channel 11 AM Weather my dad recorded?

I am willing to get rich quick selling them.
 
 ;D
 


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on April 16, 2016, 02:24:02 am
Politics need new blood in this city.

Tulsa politics needs new brains and common sense and real vision. Same situation needed since the mid 70's. Same for the state for just as long. Unfortunately it's been SNAFU for the last 40 years.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: AquaMan on April 16, 2016, 10:07:35 am
I thought Blake might be the guy to step in since his district is affluent and he has been a leader in downtown growth. Bynum looks the part but sounds like he might be the youngest and smartest of the old guard.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: patric on April 16, 2016, 10:44:45 am
I thought Blake might be the guy to step in since his district is affluent and he has been a leader in downtown growth. Bynum looks the part but sounds like he might be the youngest and smartest of the old guard.

Thats kind of the impression I got when his district 9 was gerrymandered to shed the less affluent neighborhoods, but that's Blake's gain.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: carltonplace on April 19, 2016, 08:14:18 am
So where are all of the candidates? Why is it a race between two people?


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on April 19, 2016, 09:46:23 am
So where are all of the candidates? Why is it a race between two people?

Where are all the desk jockeys who complain in the Tulsa World about our crappy leadership?



Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: johrasephoenix on May 02, 2016, 05:14:20 pm
Any polling or word on the street if GT can pull this off?


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Hoss on June 01, 2016, 08:05:56 pm
Looks like Paul Tay is mad as hell....wow.

https://vimeo.com/169029622

Edit:  At least he wasn't dressed as a "prophylactic".


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: BKDotCom on June 01, 2016, 08:21:59 pm
Here's what aired:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=49&v=dfuJ3sf4I-M

+1 for Bynum's expression

My new line:  "Come on Matt Damon.  Get me outta here."


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Oil Capital on June 02, 2016, 10:08:32 am
Ewing also pointed out on the Facebook that Bartlett thought Tulsa was getting the Betamax HQ, instead of the BMW headquarters.

That's almost as funny as Ewing (or is it Cannon Fodder?) thinking Tulsa was getting the BMW headquarters, instead of the BMX headquarters.   ;)


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: cannon_fodder on June 02, 2016, 12:43:46 pm
That's almost as funny as Ewing (or is it Cannon Fodder?) thinking Tulsa was getting the BMW headquarters, instead of the BMX headquarters.   ;)

Well played. Ewing had the right of it, I had a typo.  I mean...

I'm excited by the BMX headquarters that is actually coming, but the BMW HQ would be a much bigger deal. I think big.  ;D


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 02, 2016, 02:19:44 pm
but the BMW HQ would be a much bigger deal. I think big.  ;D

Great paying jobs and more Germans in town for Oktoberfest!

PROSIT!


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: davideinstein on June 02, 2016, 09:13:37 pm
I'm voting Tay.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 02, 2016, 10:34:51 pm
I'm voting Tay.

Why?

What if Tay and other fringers managed to suck up enough votes in the primary that Dewby ended up winning in June, rather than forcing the run off with Bynum in November?

Tay is an unhinged tool with no rational ideas.  He’s combative and confrontational, that is all he understands.  You think Tulsa is lacking now, how on earth could you justify a candidate like him ever being a mayor or councilor?


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: rebound on June 03, 2016, 08:56:15 am
...an unhinged tool with no rational ideas.  He’s combative and confrontational, that is all he understands...

Had to double check,  for a second there I thought you got Tay confused with Trump...  (I guess the appeal is about the same for some folks.)


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 03, 2016, 09:02:36 am
Had to double check,  for a second there I thought you got Tay confused with Trump...  (I guess the appeal is about the same for some folks.)

Interchangeable, but Trump does seem to be more lucid than Tay...most of the time.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Vashta Nerada on June 04, 2016, 05:04:53 pm
Why?

What if Tay and other fringers managed to suck up enough votes in the primary that Dewby ended up winning in June, rather than forcing the run off with Bynum in November?

Tay is an unhinged tool with no rational ideas.  He’s combative and confrontational, that is all he understands.  You think Tulsa is lacking now, how on earth could you justify a candidate like him ever being a mayor or councilor?


Look at Tays hat...hes running for Sheriff.  The mayors race is still between Doobie and the FOP's lap dog.





Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 05, 2016, 01:50:34 pm

Look at Tays hat...hes running for Sheriff.  The mayors race is still between Doobie and the FOP's lap dog.

And if GT wins, the FOP will support his opponent when he runs for re-election.  They never seem to support the incumbent.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: davideinstein on June 05, 2016, 03:40:36 pm
Why?

What if Tay and other fringers managed to suck up enough votes in the primary that Dewby ended up winning in June, rather than forcing the run off with Bynum in November?

Tay is an unhinged tool with no rational ideas.  He’s combative and confrontational, that is all he understands.  You think Tulsa is lacking now, how on earth could you justify a candidate like him ever being a mayor or councilor?

Protest the establishment in office. I'm sick of it.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 05, 2016, 03:42:13 pm
Protest the establishment in office. I'm sick of it.

Makes as much sense as staying home and not voting to protest the establishment.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: davideinstein on June 05, 2016, 03:43:35 pm
Makes as much sense as staying home and not voting to protest the establishment.

You just show up because it's your civic duty. Is what it is.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: DowntownDan on June 09, 2016, 03:05:09 pm
Will there be any more polling done before the 28th?  Can GT pull this off despite Dewey's negative ads?


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Townsend on June 09, 2016, 03:52:15 pm
Can GT pull this off despite Dewey's negative ads?

I'm hopeful but I have no faith in the electorate.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: sauerkraut on June 10, 2016, 09:24:43 am
I'm rooting for GT! it's time for Dewy to go, he's no conservative and he served 2 terms re-electing the same guy over & over is part of the problem, Dewy seems a bit dim. IMO it's time for a change someone new. Dewy did not really earn a 2nd term but we had no choice back then with Kathy it was a matter of the lessor of two evils. Time to go Dewy!


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: swake on June 10, 2016, 09:58:47 am
I'm rooting for GT! it's time for Dewy to go, he's no conservative and he served 2 terms re-electing the same guy over & over is part of the problem, Dewy seems a bit dim. IMO it's time for a change someone new. Dewy did not really earn a 2nd term but we had no choice back then with Kathy it was a matter of the lessor of two evils. Time to go Dewy!

wait...... what?


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 10, 2016, 10:34:56 am
wait...... what?


Yeah....kinda funny, ain't it?  There is none so pious as a repentant sinner.....


Or the new motivation for him and the whole Doobie, Failin', Inhofe Clown Show is to get some Dems in there for a term and then try to re-direct, disseminate, lie, and distort to try to make the mess being cleaned up all due to the new people.

Just like they have tried with Faux News and Obama....



Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: PonderInc on June 14, 2016, 02:47:24 pm
I've been actively following local politics since the mid 90's when Susan Savage was mayor.  This is the first time I can remember a sitting mayor/major candidate giving the bird to the League of Women Voters and blowing off their mayoral candidate forum.

Really, Dooey?  Given three potential dates, you can't even bother to respond to them?  This is a non-partisan group that simply works to provide unbiased information to voters.  It's a forum with no agenda other than to allow citizens to hear the candidates respond to questions.

Blowing off the League of Women Voters, and avoiding public forums and debates with GT is ridiculous.  It proves to me that Dooey doesn't believe he can win a debate on the merits of his positions. Dooey likes sound bites, negative ads, and little feel-good get-togethers with "patriots."  That's not what we need in a mayor.  We need a mayor who can have a coherent discussion about identifying important issues, solving problems, inspiring citizens, and working together with all Tulsans... not just right-wing republican buddies in town.

Having a mayor who refuses to appoint democrats to boards and commissions is just flat out weird.  The fact that his staff looks for people who attend his church or give money to his campaigns when deciding who to appoint is scary.

GT is not perfect, but he is head and shoulders above Dooey when it comes to dedication to the broader Tulsa community, basic intelligence, and willingness to listen to different perspectives and discuss the issues.  I respect him even when I disagree with him.  Having Dooey as our mayor embarrasses me.



Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Hoss on June 14, 2016, 04:28:11 pm
I've been actively following local politics since the mid 90's when Susan Savage was mayor.  This is the first time I can remember a sitting mayor/major candidate giving the bird to the League of Women Voters and blowing off their mayoral candidate forum.

Really, Dooey?  Given three potential dates, you can't even bother to respond to them?  This is a non-partisan group that simply works to provide unbiased information to voters.  It's a forum with no agenda other than to allow citizens to hear the candidates respond to questions.

Blowing off the League of Women Voters, and avoiding public forums and debates with GT is ridiculous.  It proves to me that Dooey doesn't believe he can win a debate on the merits of his positions. Dooey likes sound bites, negative ads, and little feel-good get-togethers with "patriots."  That's not what we need in a mayor.  We need a mayor who can have a coherent discussion about identifying important issues, solving problems, inspiring citizens, and working together with all Tulsans... not just right-wing republican buddies in town.

Having a mayor who refuses to appoint democrats to boards and commissions is just flat out weird.  The fact that his staff looks for people who attend his church or give money to his campaigns when deciding who to appoint is scary.

GT is not perfect, but he is head and shoulders above Dooey when it comes to dedication to the broader Tulsa community, basic intelligence, and willingness to listen to different perspectives and discuss the issues.  I respect him even when I disagree with him.  Having Dooey as our mayor embarrasses me.



He's probably busy trying to find a fire-retardant phone before he commits.  You know how bad that would look for his phone to spontaneously combust?  Especially if it happens right in the middle of an important (911) phone call.

 ;D


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: carltonplace on June 21, 2016, 06:12:36 am
I was surprised by the Mayor's answers to the TN questions:
 
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21330.0 (http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21330.0)

He seems to either have progressed on some issues like transportation and planning or he was answering the questions based on his perception of the audience.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 21, 2016, 07:04:15 am
he was answering the questions based on his perception of the audience.

^^This.

I notice the Bartlet (sic) camp sent out a mailer yesterday with an endorsement of “conservative” Dewby from Tom Coburn on one side and saying Kathy Taylor “sponsors” GT on the other.  It’s an obvious angle to paint GT as a liberal.  I have noticed, however that many progressives are backing GT.



Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Hoss on June 21, 2016, 07:43:57 am
^^This.

I notice the Bartlet (sic) camp sent out a mailer yesterday with an endorsement of “conservative” Dewby from Tom Coburn on one side and saying Kathy Taylor “sponsors” GT on the other.  It’s an obvious angle to paint GT as a liberal.  I have noticed, however that many progressives are backing GT.



I've noticed here in the last few days the ad that Dooey is running talking about GT's 'Washington lobbyist background'.  Guess I didn't know that but I'm of the belief 'anybody but Dooey' right now.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: carltonplace on June 21, 2016, 10:11:42 am
I saw those ads too but had trouble understanding how having a successful lobbyist as a mayor would be a bad thing. It's not like he has any defense contracts to hand out.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 21, 2016, 11:19:57 am

He seems to either have progressed on some issues like transportation and planning or he was answering the questions based on his perception of the audience.



That's the definition of lying.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: carltonplace on June 22, 2016, 08:54:34 am
I swear I just heard the Mayor call into the Diane Rehm show to defend Trump's campaign strategy. 


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Dspike on June 22, 2016, 09:57:42 am
New poll from June 20:  http://soonerpoll.com/wpcontent/uploads/2016/06/TulsaMayoralElection_FINALREPORT-1.pdf

Topline:

Bartlett 41
Bynum 38
Other 8
Undecided 14

Broken down by party:

GOP: Bartlett leads 54-31
IND: Bynum leads 45-25
DEM: Bynum leads 47-25

Other relevant information:

Barlett favorability: 57/41
Bynum favorability: 56/29

Would a Kathy Taylor endorsement make you more or less likely to vote for a candidate:
More 25
Less 48
No diff 27

Would a Tom Coburn endorsement make you more or less likely to vote for a candidate:
More 40
Less 31
No diff 29


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 22, 2016, 10:44:02 am
New poll from June 20:  http://soonerpoll.com/wpcontent/uploads/2016/06/TulsaMayoralElection_FINALREPORT-1.pdf

Topline:

Bartlett 41
Bynum 38
Other 8
Undecided 14

Broken down by party:

GOP: Bartlett leads 54-31
IND: Bynum leads 45-25
DEM: Bynum leads 47-25

Other relevant information:

Barlett favorability: 57/41
Bynum favorability: 56/29

Would a Kathy Taylor endorsement make you more or less likely to vote for a candidate:
More 25
Less 48
No diff 27

Would a Tom Coburn endorsement make you more or less likely to vote for a candidate:
More 40
Less 31
No diff 29

I was talking to my boss this morning who is an arch conservative on most issues.  He says he’s voting for Bartlett because Bynum is too much of a progressive since he is a "tax-and-spend liberal" since he supports the 1% education sales tax.  He also said since he’s a LaFortune, his administration would be just like Bill LaFortune’s.  Never mind that there is no basis in reality to assume GT would be the same as LaFortune was.  As I recall Bob LaFortune is looked on quite favorably, so why would his admin necessarily resemble Bill’s admin rather than Bob’s if DNA has something to do with it, which we all know it does not?

I did remind him that Dewey was on the same side on the Vision extension as far as being “tax-and-spend” and doing a bait and switch on the public safety tax.

I don’t know if I should be surprised that a Taylor endorsement is seen as such a negative or not.  There’s little based in reality of the public’s negative perception of her time in office as Mayor.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 22, 2016, 11:02:02 am
I was talking to my boss this morning who is an arch conservative on most issues.  He says he’s voting for Bartlett because Bynum is too much of a progressive since he is a "tax-and-spend liberal" since he supports the 1% education sales tax.  He also said since he’s a LaFortune, his administration would be just like Bill LaFortune’s.  Never mind that there is no basis in reality to assume GT would be the same as LaFortune was.  As I recall Bob LaFortune is looked on quite favorably, so why would his admin necessarily resemble Bill’s admin rather than Bob’s if DNA has something to do with it, which we all know it does not?

I did remind him that Dewey was on the same side on the Vision extension as far as being “tax-and-spend” and doing a bait and switch on the public safety tax.

I don’t know if I should be surprised that a Taylor endorsement is seen as such a negative or not.  There’s little based in reality of the public’s negative perception of her time in office as Mayor.


Wow!  Sorry Conan...and I am being very sincere about this...that you work for such a mentally limited/challenged boss!

LaFortune was ok as mayor.  We had no major ignorant stuff going on during his time in office.  One of the big negative things going on during his tenure was the way the water system was allowed to implode but that was on John Thomas the water commissioner - LaFortune didn't really get to have much say in that circus.  Different city structure then.   Bob was big into Port Catoosa.  Also PAC and Williams Center but I won't hold Williams Center against him...few at that time understood the value of keeping our old building heritage.  And PAC has been very excellent, IMHO.




Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: dsjeffries on June 22, 2016, 11:04:02 am
Also worth pointing out that 46.2% of the respondents were 65 or older. Are these surveys done only on landlines?

I also wish the polling firm knew the difference between "you're" and "your", and "counselor" and "councilor".


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: AquaMan on June 22, 2016, 11:07:17 am
I heard that Bynum was on the staff of Nichols and Coburn. Hardly a progressive but likely a realist. His presentation on OETA swayed me to support the v2025 in spite of my reservations. Mr Bartlett says his most treasured triumph during his administration was shifting the cost of "safety" from a short term regular budget item to long term development funding under 2025. That's conservative?

modified to specify OETA. I tend to think of all channels 11 to be PBS.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 22, 2016, 01:38:18 pm

Wow!  Sorry Conan...and I am being very sincere about this...that you work for such a mentally limited/challenged boss!


He is actually one of the brighter people I know, yet he is one of these Glenn Beck conservatives which just boggles my mind.  It’s sort of like how many people with high IQ’s can solve about any problem but socially they are just complete morons.

I’m very much a moderate, so I’m equally put out by the contard far right and libtard far left.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Hoss on June 22, 2016, 01:52:43 pm
He is actually one of the brighter people I know, yet he is one of these Glenn Beck conservatives which just boggles my mind.  It’s sort of like how many people with high IQ’s can solve about any problem but socially they are just complete morons.

I’m very much a moderate, so I’m equally put out by the contard far right and libtard far left.


I told you in the last general election we should lobby for registering the Whig party again!


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: TheArtist on June 22, 2016, 08:39:38 pm
Also worth pointing out that 46.2% of the respondents were 65 or older. Are these surveys done only on landlines?

I also wish the polling firm knew the difference between "you're" and "your", and "counselor" and "councilor".

Well, they are also the ones I see most at the polling places I ever go to.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: PonderInc on June 22, 2016, 10:04:17 pm
Also worth pointing out that 46.2% of the respondents were 65 or older. Are these surveys done only on landlines?

Almost certainly.  Something like 13% of Tulsans are 65 or older, but a heck of a lot of them vote.  

It really ticks me off when I read about young people not voting because they're "disillusioned."  

"Oh, gosh, I wonder why nobody represents me in a representative democracy when I never bother to participate or vote.  Hmmm...  I'll show them (stamping my foot), I'll snub them with my complete absence and silence, and that will really hurt their feelings, and make them change."

We have about the same number of millennials as we have old geezers in town.  Sadly, the old geezers will continue to decide things as long as the youngins can't be bothered to participate.  Which is sad, because the young folks could rule the world, if they ever decided to step up.

But I'm sure voting for someone on The Voice is important, too.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Red Arrow on June 22, 2016, 10:23:58 pm
It really ticks me off when I read about young people not voting because they're "disillusioned."  

I'm an old guy and I am disillusioned about the choices for President.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 23, 2016, 07:46:42 am
I'm an old guy and I am disillusioned about the choices for President.

Even us not so old guys are disillusioned about the choices for president.

It is disappointing to see just in the time I’ve been eligible to vote (1984) how elections in general have gone from something dignified and professional to a complete clown show.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 23, 2016, 07:52:32 am
Almost certainly.  Something like 13% of Tulsans are 65 or older, but a heck of a lot of them vote.  

It really ticks me off when I read about young people not voting because they're "disillusioned."  

"Oh, gosh, I wonder why nobody represents me in a representative democracy when I never bother to participate or vote.  Hmmm...  I'll show them (stamping my foot), I'll snub them with my complete absence and silence, and that will really hurt their feelings, and make them change."

We have about the same number of millennials as we have old geezers in town.  Sadly, the old geezers will continue to decide things as long as the youngins can't be bothered to participate.  Which is sad, because the young folks could rule the world, if they ever decided to step up.

But I'm sure voting for someone on The Voice is important, too.


This is why voting for a legitimate candidate is so important and why I was rather harsh on one of our other members for saying he was voting for Tay.  If you really cannot stand the state of things at City Hall not voting or voting for a fringe candidate who runs as a joke is a huge mistake.  That’s almost guaranteeing there will be no change.

At least GT has stood up and worked on the RDO to try and stanch out the desperately awful development ideas of the current administration.  Perhaps most Tulsans are not as in tune or care about smart development as people on this board are.  They have not researched what an absolute bust sprawl and tax incentives are to lure new retail which only further dilutes a pretty finite pool of area income with our very low growth rates.  Bartlet (sic) represents every thing that is wrong with Tulsa’s old school politics.  It’s time for him to retire back to his oil business.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: BKDotCom on June 23, 2016, 10:00:24 am
This is why voting for a legitimate candidate is so important and why I was rather harsh on one of our other members for saying he was voting for Tay.  If you really cannot stand the state of things at City Hall not voting or voting for a fringe candidate who runs as a joke is a huge mistake.  That’s almost guaranteeing there will be no change.

If all the mainstream choices suck and you're voting for the lesser of two evils.   You're still voting for an evil and there is no catalyst for change.    The lesser evil wins with a majority of the vote.

I think this year's presidential election illustrates how we need something like "approval voting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting)"

There was so much noise with so many candidates, the loud candidate that most don't like but has a small cult following rises to the top.

Say there are 9 candidates and 100 voters...  80 of the voters like anyone but candidate 9.   20% like candidate 9

candidate #votes (approval voting) #votes (current system)
18010
28010
38010
48010
58010
68010
78010
88010
92020
resultrunoff (#9 loses)#9 wins

Odds of a 8-way tie are going to be super slim this just illustrates how it prevents the turds from floating to the top and opens up the possibility for a 3rd party.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 23, 2016, 11:48:42 am
Even us not so old guys are disillusioned about the choices for president.

It is disappointing to see just in the time I’ve been eligible to vote (1984) how elections in general have gone from something dignified and professional to a complete clown show.


Should see the Johnson/Goldwater elections...the ad with the girl and the A bomb...I remember seeing that when it first ran.  Impressive, even to a teenager.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbIfVEboAzg



Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: sauerkraut on June 24, 2016, 11:48:11 am
Dewey is no conservative, his first term was a dis-appointment, Deweys 2nd term was a default   we could not have Kathy, after two terms it's time for Dewey to go- Dewey is getting old and pretending to be a conservative does not cut it. I think we should take a chance on GT we have nothing to lose, neither guy is a conservative, Let's try GT and see how things go.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Townsend on June 24, 2016, 12:19:11 pm
Dewey is no conservative, his first term was a dis-appointment, Deweys 2nd term was a default   we could not have Kathy, after two terms it's time for Dewey to go- Dewey is getting old and pretending to be a conservative does not cut it. I think we should take a chance on GT we have nothing to lose, neither guy is a conservative, Let's try GT and see how things go.

While I agree that GT appears to be the way to go, it doesn't matter for you. 

You can't vote. 

You're not registered to vote.

You have to register to vote in order to vote.

If you register now, you could vote next one.

Would you like help registering to vote?


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: BKDotCom on June 24, 2016, 01:09:24 pm
http://www.newson6.com/story/32301608/five-former-tulsa-mayors-announce-their-endorsement-for-gt-bynum

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Former Mayors Susan Savage, Kathy Taylor, Terry Young, Dick Crawford and Robert LaFortune all are behind Bynum.

Quote
Mayor Bartlett's (...) endorsements include former mayor and current U.S. Senator Jim Inhofe

Jim Inhofe endorsing someone is reason enough for me to vote for the other candidate.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Townsend on June 24, 2016, 01:14:27 pm
http://www.newson6.com/story/32301608/five-former-tulsa-mayors-announce-their-endorsement-for-gt-bynum

Jim Inhofe endorsing someone is reason enough for me to vote for the other candidate.

Snow balls and exploding cell phones ticket.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 24, 2016, 03:26:11 pm
http://www.newson6.com/story/32301608/five-former-tulsa-mayors-announce-their-endorsement-for-gt-bynum

Jim Inhofe endorsing someone is reason enough for me to vote for the other candidate.

I apparently cancelled out Sen. Inhofe’s vote.  He was arriving at the Election Board office just as I was leaving this afternoon.

I think I will do the early vote from now on, it’s far quicker than hitting rush hour at my polling place.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: sauerkraut on June 26, 2016, 01:20:16 pm
The Tulsa World Newspaper supports Dewey. I became sour on Dewey shortly in his 1st term, the trash system change and those big trash cans, Dewey never cut any taxes, the road construction under Dewey is a mess you can't drive mid-town without construction going on and bottled necked traffic, today with Riverside Drive closed it's even worse. Dewey made a big fuss about not wanting to build a sidewalk on Riverside Dr. He thought people could just cross the street and walk on the Riverside jogging trails instead, made no sense to me. Dewey seems to be a big globe trotter  he went overseas many times and that did nothing for Tulsa. IMO he just pretends to be a conservative, if he was a republican he'd be called a "RINO". It's time for Dewey to go after two terms anyhow. We have nothing to lose with GT he can't be much worse. Dewey did not earn a 3rd term so why reward him with one? He was a big disappointment to me.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Hoss on June 26, 2016, 02:07:52 pm
The Tulsa World Newspaper supports Dewey. I became sour on Dewey shortly in his 1st term, the trash system change and those big trash cans, Dewey never cut any taxes, the road construction under Dewey is a mess you can't drive mid-town without construction going on and bottled necked traffic, today with Riverside Drive closed it's even worse. Dewey made a big fuss about not wanting to build a sidewalk on Riverside Dr. He thought people could just cross the street and walk on the Riverside jogging trails instead, made no sense to me. Dewey seems to be a big globe trotter  he went overseas many times and that did nothing for Tulsa. IMO he just pretends to be a conservative, if he was a republican he'd be called a "RINO". It's time for Dewey to go after two terms anyhow. We have nothing to lose with GT he can't be much worse. Dewey did not earn a 3rd term so why reward him with one? He was a big disappointment to me.

Your stupidity really knows no boundaries.

I'm not a supporter of Dooey by any means, however, your reasoning is horrible.

1st, the trash system change was approved in the previous mayor's run.  Most large cities do their trash this way now.  I like it and my bill is less than it was before.  Plus, the trucks now don't look like death traps and smell of a dumpster.

2nd, the road construction NEEDS to be done.  It sucks that we're doing it all at once, but that's a result of the City ignoring its infrastructure for at least 40 years.  We consistently rank at the bottom in driveable roads.  I get sick of dodging potholes.  Memorial between 11th and Admiral is glass smooth now that they've redone it.  Same with I-244.  If you don't like the construction, then choose alternate routes.  There's this thing called Google Maps now...

3rd..mayors races are no longer partisan.  R & D doesn't matter to me on the local level.  I like GT mainly because he's closer to my age and I've heard what he has to say about moving this city forward.  Unlike people like you, who would rather see this city (and nation, for that matter) stay in the 1960s.

The Riverside construction is for a better cause.  The Gathering Place is going to add appeal to the city that wasn't there before.

If you are so incensed with this city, then leave...oh, wait...never mind.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 27, 2016, 11:16:47 am
Your stupidity really knows no boundaries.

I'm not a supporter of Dooey by any means, however, your reasoning is horrible.

1st, the trash system change was approved in the previous mayor's run.  Most large cities do their trash this way now.  I like it and my bill is less than it was before.  Plus, the trucks now don't look like death traps and smell of a dumpster.

2nd, the road construction NEEDS to be done.  It sucks that we're doing it all at once, but that's a result of the City ignoring its infrastructure for at least 40 years.  We consistently rank at the bottom in driveable roads.  I get sick of dodging potholes.  Memorial between 11th and Admiral is glass smooth now that they've redone it.  Same with I-244.  If you don't like the construction, then choose alternate routes.  There's this thing called Google Maps now...

3rd..mayors races are no longer partisan.  R & D doesn't matter to me on the local level.  I like GT mainly because he's closer to my age and I've heard what he has to say about moving this city forward.  Unlike people like you, who would rather see this city (and nation, for that matter) stay in the 1960s.

The Riverside construction is for a better cause.  The Gathering Place is going to add appeal to the city that wasn't there before.

If you are so incensed with this city, then leave...oh, wait...never mind.



Shhhhh...!!!   He is talking about voting for GT !!  Maybe that will encourage some of the others like him!!   Don't send him back to his alternate reality place until AFTER the election!!






Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: davideinstein on June 28, 2016, 04:11:34 pm
Posted this on Facebook regarding my vote:

GT Bynum directly called me on Election Day to my surprise. I asked him questions about the city funding public education, more bike lanes in town and funding a soccer stadium. While he hasn't been involved in the soccer stadium issue, he said he'd like to be and understands there is a desire for one. On public education he said he would like to start pushing for local funding of city schools to help with the state education crisis so schools such as TPS can compete. He said he's very much in favor of bike lanes and that they will be a part of a proposed "complete" streets package from now on. I was going to give a protest vote today but was so impressed by both the phone call and answers that I'll be giving my vote to GT Bynum today. If you haven't voted, go and do it! Local politics matter the most.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 28, 2016, 06:01:25 pm
Posted this on Facebook regarding my vote:

GT Bynum directly called me on Election Day to my surprise. I asked him questions about the city funding public education, more bike lanes in town and funding a soccer stadium. While he hasn't been involved in the soccer stadium issue, he said he'd like to be and understands there is a desire for one. On public education he said he would like to start pushing for local funding of city schools to help with the state education crisis so schools such as TPS can compete. He said he's very much in favor of bike lanes and that they will be a part of a proposed "complete" streets package from now on. I was going to give a protest vote today but was so impressed by both the phone call and answers that I'll be giving my vote to GT Bynum today. If you haven't voted, go and do it! Local politics matter the most.

Glad I didn’t rip into you too hard about voting for Tay on another reply I just wrote.  ;)

GT is a good guy.  He would be a great mayor.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: swake on June 28, 2016, 07:43:26 pm
KRMG is calling the election for Bynum


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 28, 2016, 08:11:35 pm
Ahem, WILL be a great mayor.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Hoss on June 28, 2016, 08:43:28 pm
Ahem, WILL be a great mayor.

Glad to see this..was wondering if either candidate was going to make light during concession/victory speeches about the confusion regarding non-partisan mayoral races and some of the electorate not getting the white sheet ballot.  

GT doesn't sound like a Republican.  He sounds like a citizen who wants to see this city move forward.  I was impressed every time I saw him and his campaign commercials always impressed me.  Points awarded for not going negative (would have been SO easy with Dooey).  Wish they'd make the Sheriff's race non-partisan also.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Ibanez on June 29, 2016, 08:22:01 am
Glad to see this..was wondering if either candidate was going to make light during concession/victory speeches about the confusion regarding non-partisan mayoral races and some of the electorate not getting the white sheet ballot.  

GT doesn't sound like a Republican.  He sounds like a citizen who wants to see this city move forward.  I was impressed every time I saw him and his campaign commercials always impressed me.  Points awarded for not going negative (would have been SO easy with Dooey).  Wish they'd make the Sheriff's race non-partisan also.

Agreed. I would take it a step further though and make all elections non partisan. Yeah, I know that is crazy talk, but I honestly think we would be better off on all levels of government if the R, D, L, I, etc...after a candidates name didn't matter.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: AquaMan on June 29, 2016, 08:39:06 am
And replaced with "conservative", "liberal", "libertarian", "progressive", "anti-immigration", "lobbyist", etc? Politicians live by labels as they are an easy distillation of complex issues that the worker bees can process. You can change it to non-partisan but we all know a liberal when we hear them make complete sentences after thoughtful deliberation.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 29, 2016, 09:08:16 am
And replaced with "conservative", "liberal", "libertarian", "progressive", "anti-immigration", "lobbyist", etc? Politicians live by labels as they are an easy distillation of complex issues that the worker bees can process. You can change it to non-partisan but we all know a liberal when we hear them make complete sentences after thoughtful deliberation.

I thought you could tell a liberal by drool coming out both corners of their mouth instead of one.  ;D

Many of my progressive friends came out in support of GT and it was neat seeing Karen Keith, a Democrat in an elected county position support him as well.  I totally dig the non-partisan aspect of this election.  

I’m curious what hurt hapless Dewby the most in the election in the psyche of voters:

1) Two terms is enough
2) Poorly handled issues like: Turkey Mountain, Helmerich Park, and the blatant lying on the sidewalk along Riverside
3) Last link to Tulsa’s GOB politicians
4) Nasty campaign ads

Opinions, esteemed TNF postees?

I, for one, will be really glad to see bureaucrats like Clay Bird on the outside looking in.  We need an economic development director who has some economic sophistication and who will seek out new employers who offer career jobs, not spend time trying to lure more retail sprawl with costly taxpayer funded incentives.  He also clearly backed the wrong outlet mall project and got snookered by Simon.  Anyone else notice Simon still isn’t turning dirt down in Jenks?  Smart money says they won’t.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: godboko71 on June 29, 2016, 09:34:34 am
I totally dig the non-partisan aspect of this election.
 
Agree!
I’m curious what hurt hapless Dewby the most in the election in the psyche of voters:

1) Two terms is enough
2) Poorly handled issues like: Turkey Mountain, Helmerich Park, and the blatant lying on the sidewalk along Riverside
3) Last link to Tulsa’s GOB politicians
4) Nasty campaign ads

Opinions, esteemed TNF postees?

As a moderate who has never voted for Mr. Bartlett, all those points are why I voted for Mr. Bynum. From those I talked to seems 1 & 4 where the biggest issues for most. 

Bartlett's mailers were revolting and never stopped, bet the local postal service made a tidy profit this quarter. Not received so much mail in my life haha.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Ibanez on June 29, 2016, 09:39:55 am
And replaced with "conservative", "liberal", "libertarian", "progressive", "anti-immigration", "lobbyist", etc? Politicians live by labels as they are an easy distillation of complex issues that the worker bees can process. You can change it to non-partisan but we all know a liberal when we hear them make complete sentences after thoughtful deliberation.

Yes, because we know all conservatives are mouth breathing morons, right?

Be a part of the solution, not the problem.



Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: AquaMan on June 29, 2016, 10:22:40 am
Yes, because we know all conservatives are mouth breathing morons, right?

Be a part of the solution, not the problem.



Must have hurt plenty when you landed after such a huge jump to that conclusion. Not all conservatives are mouth breathing morons, but all mouth breathing morons profess to be conservatives.

Not correctly identifying and addressing problems is the problem. You think renaming the issue as a partisan problem is going to be a solution? That is the current vogue. I don't.



Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 29, 2016, 10:43:34 am
Yes, because we know all conservatives are mouth breathing morons, right?

Be a part of the solution, not the problem.




I think part of the solution just got put into place yesterday!  Great hopes for Bynum's term.  Wish we didn't have to wait so long for him to take office.

Just gotta wonder what kind of nasty little 'stink-bomb' Dooby is gonna lay while we are waiting?  Can he be impeached in the meantime??  Maybe he will do the decent thing and just go ahead and resign....!!   Naw,.....it's Dooby....




Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Ibanez on June 29, 2016, 10:55:58 am
Must have hurt plenty when you landed after such a huge jump to that conclusion. Not all conservatives are mouth breathing morons, but all mouth breathing morons profess to be conservatives.

Not correctly identifying and addressing problems is the problem. You think renaming the issue as a partisan problem is going to be a solution? That is the current vogue. I don't.



How else would someone be expected to interpret "we all know a liberal when we hear them make complete sentences after thoughtful deliberation."

The problem is partisanship. The whole my side vs. your side that has taken over politics is disgusting. I know many people who will only vote Republican or Democrat because "The other side are assholes/evil/trying to ruin the country/etc, etc, etc..." These people, blind as they are, keep electing people who have their own self interest or the interest of the party above that of the voter. Remove partisan labels, make it against the rules for candidates to even mention which party they belong to and it will hopefully force people to listen to the issues and it will help change things. Is that 100% of the solution? Of course, not, but it is a step in the right direction. We need to get back to electing people who are willing to work on issues and compromise when needed to get things done. Right now that isn't happening, at least not much, for fear of alienating the party.

Even better, abolish the party system entirely. You shouldn't have to register as a member of a particular party in order run for office or to cast your vote. The rules we have in place now only serve to keep the two party system in place and that is a detriment to us all.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: AquaMan on June 29, 2016, 11:14:39 am
In your mind there was no other interpretation. That is your box, not mine.

Changing names doesn't solve anything. When Gingrich changed "inheritance tax" to "death tax" it didn't solve the issue of whether the tax was fair or useful. It just swayed opinion.

The problem is defining people with labels that don't adequately represent their views in order to accomplish their own goals. It doesn't matter whether there is truth or fact to back up those labels. It doesn't matter if its in the people's interest. Labels will always be used to sway opinion.

More importantly, the problem is that we elect people based on the wrong criteria. I didn't care that GT Bynum might be a republican, a conservative or Christian. He seemed to be COMPETENT! He championed a controversial v2025 vote and did so with straight forward logic, intelligence and belief. He is smart. He makes complete sentences after deliberative contemplation. Yet, because of that, Conan's boss didn't quite trust that he wasn't (shudder...) a progressive.

We all know competent people when we meet them. The busy people who still have time to talk but do so judiciously. The one mistake Atkinson made against Bridenstein was in not being himself. He tried to out conservative him and people saw through it. If he had merely spoken the obvious earlier in the campaign, quote, "He hasn't done anything in the last four years" which I heard him say during his watch party, he would have struck a chord.

Competence is the issue being ignored when labels are easier.

BTW, I totally agree on either eliminating party identification as criteria for being on the ballot, or, opening the party affiliation to include numerous smaller parties. That way coalitions are formed with folks of diverse competencies.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Hoss on June 29, 2016, 12:55:22 pm
Yes, because we know all conservatives are mouth breathing morons, right?

Be a part of the solution, not the problem.



I have to harken back to one of my old signatures:

Quote
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. John Stuart Mill

It sure gets the ires of many of my conservative friends/family and acquaintances up when I use this.  But it's so apropos these days.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Ibanez on June 29, 2016, 02:07:52 pm
In your mind there was no other interpretation. That is your box, not mine.

Changing names doesn't solve anything. When Gingrich changed "inheritance tax" to "death tax" it didn't solve the issue of whether the tax was fair or useful. It just swayed opinion.

The problem is defining people with labels that don't adequately represent their views in order to accomplish their own goals. It doesn't matter whether there is truth or fact to back up those labels. It doesn't matter if its in the people's interest. Labels will always be used to sway opinion.

More importantly, the problem is that we elect people based on the wrong criteria. I didn't care that GT Bynum might be a republican, a conservative or Christian. He seemed to be COMPETENT! He championed a controversial v2025 vote and did so with straight forward logic, intelligence and belief. He is smart. He makes complete sentences after deliberative contemplation. Yet, because of that, Conan's boss didn't quite trust that he wasn't (shudder...) a progressive.

We all know competent people when we meet them. The busy people who still have time to talk but do so judiciously. The one mistake Atkinson made against Bridenstein was in not being himself. He tried to out conservative him and people saw through it. If he had merely spoken the obvious earlier in the campaign, quote, "He hasn't done anything in the last four years" which I heard him say during his watch party, he would have struck a chord.

Competence is the issue being ignored when labels are easier.

BTW, I totally agree on either eliminating party identification as criteria for being on the ballot, or, opening the party affiliation to include numerous smaller parties. That way coalitions are formed with folks of diverse competencies.

Which is why I said what I did about removing the R, D, whatever. Labels, for the most part keep people from seeing past them and listening to what someone has to say/believes and thus removes critical thinking from the voting process for a great deal of the electorate. They see the R or D and mark their ballot accordingly without ever giving it a thought. It also makes it far easier to pull the whole us v them BS that both major parties do. Really, we are both saying the same thing here. No argument from me at all on the use of labels.

Again, I take exception to your comment about being able to identify liberals by their use of complete sentences. It is a slap at conservatives and is exactly the type of insulting "my side is better than yours" crap that has gotten us to where we are today as a city, state and country.  It sounds like a funny quip, but is really the "we are better than the other side because of who we are and what we believe" attitude that I find off-putting. I know many highly intelligent conservatives, just as I know many nearly illiterate ones. The exact same can be said about the liberals I know. Some are highly intelligent, some I am certain cannot tie their own shoes. Neither side has an exclusive contract on brains or the lack thereof.



Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Ibanez on June 29, 2016, 02:10:39 pm
John Stuart Mill

Great, now I have Bruce's Philosopher's Song stuck in my head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9SqQNgDrgg


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: AquaMan on June 29, 2016, 03:48:48 pm
Again, I take exception to your comment about being able to identify liberals by their use of complete sentences. It is a slap at conservatives and is exactly the type of insulting "my side is better than yours" crap that has gotten us to where we are today as a city, state and country.  It sounds like a funny quip, but is really the "we are better than the other side because of who we are and what we believe" attitude that I find off-putting. I know many highly intelligent conservatives, just as I know many nearly illiterate ones. The exact same can be said about the liberals I know. Some are highly intelligent, some I am certain cannot tie their own shoes. Neither side has an exclusive contract on brains or the lack thereof.



With your perception of my remark, it would be a slap at anyone but liberals, not just conservatives. It was a remark I copped from some one on TV regarding Trump supporters actually. The person said that Trump supporters were skeptical of anyone using full sentences. And I used it again regarding our new Mayor to prove a point. He is smart. People who are smart, well educated, well dressed and polite in Oklahoma are often presumed to be gay, liberal, progressive, dilettantes, or liars. Just noting facts. You unfortunately assumed it could only be an insult to conservatives.

I continue to believe that labels are in our DNA. Just like Native American and African heritage. We all have some liberal, some conservative, some libertarian, some socialist and some fascism in our personalities. But some of us can sing and some can't.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 29, 2016, 04:53:32 pm
Great, now I have Bruce's Philosopher's Song stuck in my head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9SqQNgDrgg



Dino yasss.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emA-IK2RcKY


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 29, 2016, 08:34:12 pm
Guys, please take the liberal v. conservative banter to a PM, if it must continue...please!


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: davideinstein on June 29, 2016, 09:49:03 pm
Guys, please take the liberal v. conservative banter to a PM, if it must continue...please!

It matters so little at the local level.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Hoss on June 30, 2016, 06:14:17 am
It matters so little at the local level.

But the funny thing is watching Regalado's campaign commercial and he sure flaunts that he's a conservative republican.  But yeah, I agree totally.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: AquaMan on June 30, 2016, 07:28:02 am
What matters is that a mere 14% of registered voters under the age of 40, actually voted. And that is an increase from the average of 10%. Probably all posters from TN.

Curious as to how that compares with other age groups and the city in general.



Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 30, 2016, 08:02:04 am
What matters is that a mere 14% of registered voters under the age of 40, actually voted. And that is an increase from the average of 10%. Probably all posters from TN.

Curious as to how that compares with other age groups and the city in general.



Total turnouts for the county vote was about 15% and for the city was 29% I think I heard.

And likely those people in the 71% who didn’t vote are the ones who grumble the loudest about how bad our city government sucks.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: swake on June 30, 2016, 08:04:32 am
Total turnouts for the county vote was about 15% and for the city was 29% I think I heard.

And likely those people in the 71% who didn’t vote are the ones who grumble the loudest about how bad our city government sucks.

Those are Tulsa World commenters


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Dspike on June 30, 2016, 09:10:07 am
"What matters is that a mere 14% of registered voters under the age of 40, actually voted. And that is an increase from the average of 10%."

Where did you get this data from? Would love to see the turnout by age compared to the 2013 Mayoral race.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: AquaMan on June 30, 2016, 10:29:12 am
Channel eight this morning...or possibly Fox23. I probably shouldn't quote either of them since they didn't attribute a source. Oh, wait...I think they were interviewing a TYPRO's person. I would like to see an age and geographic breakdown too.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Townsend on June 30, 2016, 11:14:42 am
This is the first time in a while I've felt a little hope from a local election.

I could give a rat's donkey about his need for water in the river but at least Bynum seems to have something in the works.

Dewey's administration was consistently something to shake your head about.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 30, 2016, 11:36:24 am
Dewby made the comment in his concession speech the other night about still having plenty of work to do.  I wanted to call his smoking cell phone and say:  “Please!!! Don’t do anything else!!!”



Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Townsend on June 30, 2016, 11:40:05 am
Dewby made the comment in his concession speech the other night about still having plenty of work to do.  I wanted to call his smoking cell phone and say:  “Please!!! Don’t do anything else!!!”


He said that crazy smile again when interviewed by a local...he needs to just leave it the hell alone. 

He stated he didn't know why Tulsa chose Bynum...dammit dude...it's because you're doing more damage than good.


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Conan71 on June 30, 2016, 12:51:19 pm
He said that crazy smile again when interviewed by a local...he needs to just leave it the hell alone. 

He stated he didn't know why Tulsa chose Bynum...dammit dude...it's because you're doing more damage than good.

Apparently Inhofe is also confused about the nature of the non-partisan election.  He was quoted as saying Bynum being elected shows how well the Democratic Party is doing in Tulsa these days.  :o



Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 30, 2016, 01:03:33 pm
Apparently Inhofe is also confused about the nature of the non-partisan election.  He was quoted as saying Bynum being elected shows how well the Democratic Party is doing in Tulsa these days.  :o




Yeah....well just about anyone with two or more functioning brain cells knows what Inhofe is....


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: Hoss on June 30, 2016, 01:32:27 pm

Yeah....well just about anyone with two or more functioning brain cells knows what Inhofe is....


A doosh?


Title: Re: 2016 Tulsa Mayoral Race
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 30, 2016, 01:35:34 pm
A doosh?


In addition to....