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Title: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: takemebacktotulsa on September 18, 2015, 11:56:58 am Word has it that long time (amazing) pizza place Umberto's is moving to 32nd and harvard, and their current building is being torn down... Does anyone have any additional and/or contradicting information?
It'd be sad to see those building torn down. They are some of the last remnants of pedestrian friendly buildings in that area... Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: Conan71 on September 18, 2015, 12:39:21 pm Word has it that long time (amazing) pizza place Umberto's is moving to 32nd and harvard, and their current building is being torn down... Does anyone have any additional and/or contradicting information? It'd be sad to see those building torn down. They are some of the last remnants of pedestrian friendly buildings in that area... Those buildings are pretty worn out. So long as something else built to the street is put back in there, I really don’t have a problem with it. Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: takemebacktotulsa on September 18, 2015, 12:43:00 pm Those buildings are pretty worn out. So long as something else built to the street is put back in there, I really don’t have a problem with it. I wouldn't have a problem if they were built up to the street either, but what are the chances of that? Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: cannon_fodder on September 18, 2015, 12:48:47 pm What's at 32nd that is available for them? Maybe the former Amish Kitchen location? I guess there are a couple of store fronts there too. Answered my own questions. k thnx bai
Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: Conan71 on September 18, 2015, 12:49:09 pm I wouldn't have a problem if they were built up to the street either, but what are the chances of that? Considering the CVS on the corner, slim to none. Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: patric on September 18, 2015, 08:51:48 pm Considering the CVS on the corner, slim to none. Beat me to the punch. CVS will be the model for the area, as sad as that sounds. Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: BKDotCom on September 23, 2015, 07:33:28 am What's at 32nd that is available for them? Maybe the former Amish Kitchen location? Work was being done in the former Amish Kitchen location (neighborhood market out-parcel) this AM. Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: Markk on September 27, 2015, 04:16:00 pm I hope Umbertos moves. The place they are in now doesn't inspire confidence. They do a great pizza and their garlic knots are great. The ambience was a problem.
Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: patric on February 16, 2016, 11:53:15 am For a hole-in-the-wall the pizza was pretty good. Its been bulldozed now and Umbertos is in the newer former dry-cleaner/amish kitchen/BBQ/almost-destroyed-by-fire location.
https://goo.gl/maps/mwLtG674cUB2 https://www.facebook.com/UMBERTOSPIZZARIATULSA/photos/a.134342903269232.11599.134112513292271/949567821746732 Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: Conan71 on February 16, 2016, 01:36:30 pm Do we know yet what is going in the space they are re-habbing? Looks like they are retrofitting the building to the west of Umberto’s old location.
Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: Quinton on February 16, 2016, 04:57:10 pm Empire Optical bought it and the medical blding next to it.they will move to the med bldg and clear the rest for parking.
Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on February 17, 2016, 08:48:53 am Empire Optical bought it and the medical blding next to it.they will move to the med bldg and clear the rest for parking. Great. More medical services adding more parking lots. Just what we needed. Instead of adding to the food options in that neighborhood and that corner, it will be another place lost to a mostly empty lot. Real progress. Even in 2016, the parking crater just keeps on growing! (See the massive bulldozed lots at 15th and Delaware that used to be half a dozen shops and a couple other big buildings leveled across the street - all thanks to the pain clinic!). Sure, Umberto's old place might've been old and needing work, but it was actually 2 to 3 side-walk-fronted spaces connected to the Medi-Serv building. Just the kind of urban places we should try to keep: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1332642,-95.9413456,3a,39.7y,226.47h,86.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_9ByiTPgu4aw0HXVURrD5g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1332642,-95.9413456,3a,39.7y,226.47h,86.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_9ByiTPgu4aw0HXVURrD5g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1) Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: Conan71 on February 17, 2016, 09:08:33 am Great. More medical services adding more parking lots. Just what we needed. Instead of adding to the food options in that neighborhood and that corner, it will be another place lost to a mostly empty lot. Real progress. Even in 2016, the parking crater just keeps on growing! (See the massive bulldozed lots at 15th and Delaware that used to be half a dozen shops and a couple other big buildings leveled across the street - all thanks to the pain clinic!). Sure, Umberto's old place might've been old and needing work, but it was actually 2 to 3 side-walk-fronted spaces connected to the Medi-Serv building. Just the kind of urban places we should try to keep: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1332642,-95.9413456,3a,39.7y,226.47h,86.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_9ByiTPgu4aw0HXVURrD5g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1332642,-95.9413456,3a,39.7y,226.47h,86.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_9ByiTPgu4aw0HXVURrD5g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1) Unless you’ve heard different, I don’t think the vacant lot west of the pain clinic is destined to be more parking. They have more than adequate parking on their property which has now included doing some demo work on the west side of the old Ray England TV building. I’m guessing the lot on the west side of Delaware becomes an auto-centric retailer...like CVS. Ghack! Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on February 17, 2016, 10:54:42 am Unless you’ve heard different, I don’t think the vacant lot west of the pain clinic is destined to be more parking. They have more than adequate parking on their property. That's never stopped anyone before. Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: cannon_fodder on February 17, 2016, 11:50:23 am Remember when 21st and Harvard had a Mexican place, and a drug store, and a pizza joint... all fronted to the street? Remember when the other side had 2 or 3 multi story buildings fronting the street?
We traded all of that for a bigger QT (already had a QT) and a different drug store. For the win? Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: Conan71 on February 17, 2016, 12:05:15 pm Remember when 21st and Harvard had a Mexican place, and a drug store, and a pizza joint... all fronted to the street? Remember when the other side had 2 or 3 multi story buildings fronting the street? We traded all of that for a bigger QT (already had a QT) and a different drug store. For the win? I don’t remember the Mexican place. Where was that? Speaking of the QT at 21st & Harvard, it’s only got to be a matter of time before they buy up the space to the north and lots to the west so they can do another one of those 80,000 square foot heat islands. Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: cannon_fodder on February 17, 2016, 03:56:02 pm I don’t remember the Mexican place. Where was that? The Mexican place was between Brownies and the old pharmacy. In its last incarnation it was painted yellow and had a front deck that went up too the sidewalk. The entry was to the south, where the CVS entrance now is off of Harvard, and most of the parking was in the rear. Much like now the lot tied in strangely to the Optometry place and you could/can weasel your way back to the old Umbertos location. It was great to sit on that deck because you could see the intersection at 21st and Harvard, the QT, the bus stop... if conversation got dull there was always something odd going on there. not too mention sitting outside some days is simply a must. Inside it had crappy red tile floor, bulls painted on the walls. I think it was called El Toro at one point, then Blazin' Peppers. It was called several things since 2003. Its second to last incarnation (which lasted ~5 years) was my favorite Mexican place in Tulsa before El Tequila came along (with due respect to Rio Verde). The last incarnation was "meh" and it died a year or two before being bulldozed for the CVS. Google Street View history has a picture of it (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1323021,-95.9403305,3a,75y,332.35h,74.64t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sXIEaI32mAk7GJfvwsVr8fQ!2e0!5s20140501T000000!7i3328!8i1664!6m1!1e1). Side note: what's the best storage place that allows hotlinking to images? Google makes it difficult. Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: BKDotCom on February 17, 2016, 04:14:06 pm Side note: what's the best storage place that allows hotlinking to images? Google makes it difficult. imgur.com Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: Conan71 on February 17, 2016, 04:14:55 pm Ahh, the old Long John Silver’s!
Completely forgot about that place. It was a biker bar for a bit prior to being a Mexican place, I believe. Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: swake on February 17, 2016, 04:15:16 pm The Mexican place was between Brownies and the old pharmacy. In its last incarnation it was painted yellow and had a front deck that went up too the sidewalk. The entry was to the south, where the CVS entrance now is off of Harvard, and most of the parking was in the rear. Much like now the lot tied in strangely to the Optometry place and you could/can weasel your way back to the old Umbertos location. It was great to sit on that deck because you could see the intersection at 21st and Harvard, the QT, the bus stop... if conversation got dull there was always something odd going on there. not too mention sitting outside some days is simply a must. Inside it had crappy red tile floor, bulls painted on the walls. I think it was called El Toro at one point, then Blazin' Peppers. It was called several things since 2003. Its second to last incarnation (which lasted ~5 years) was my favorite Mexican place in Tulsa before El Tequila came along (with due respect to Rio Verde). The last incarnation was "meh" and it died a year or two before being bulldozed for the CVS. Google Street View history has a picture of it (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1323021,-95.9403305,3a,75y,332.35h,74.64t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sXIEaI32mAk7GJfvwsVr8fQ!2e0!5s20140501T000000!7i3328!8i1664!6m1!1e1). Side note: what's the best storage place that allows hotlinking to images? Google makes it difficult. I think that building was originally an Arthur Treacher's Fish and Chips. Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: Conan71 on February 17, 2016, 04:19:11 pm I think that building was originally an Arthur Treacher's Fish and Chips. There was an Arthur Treacher’s at 31st & Yale, something was telling me that prior to LJS, this one may have been a Treacher’s as well, but that’s reaching really far back into dead brain matter. Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: Breadburner on February 17, 2016, 04:25:00 pm A friend of mine was in line at that ljs's when a gun wielding robber came in.... All he could think about was the "Sirloin Stockade" and took his chance and ran out the door.....
Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: swake on February 17, 2016, 04:28:13 pm There was an Arthur Treacher’s at 31st & Yale, something was telling me that prior to LJS, this one may have been a Treacher’s as well, but that’s reaching really far back into dead brain matter. My grandfather loved the place. Ate there all the time. Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: patric on May 30, 2016, 12:46:27 pm (transplanting a stray thread)
The 21st and Harvard corner is a great example. In 10 years that area went from interesting, funky, and quasi urban... to a suburban intersection. Multi story street fronted buildings were replaced with single use structures with parking out front. Umbertos fronted brick building is being replaced with a setback strip mall. Now, in many instances, dilapidated buildings were also replaced with new shiny buildings. But reason we had to give up character to achieve new and shiny. I understand the same restrictions aren't in place, and I'm not blaming anyone for the development at 21st and Harvard, but if I wanted new and shiny with no character, I'd live in Owasso. The property co. has renderings posted at the construction site, but I was hoping for something on the web: http://www.wigginprop.com/properties/tulsa.php Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on October 23, 2018, 10:50:01 am This place looks to be complete. It is multiple units including the anchor tenant/owner Empire Optical and a math tutor place. It has 4 retail spots and a sizable Empire Optical building. Looks decent overall. It seems like an improvement overall except that they demolished the old building and pushed it back. 4 nice units is better than a dinky building with a couple small spaces.
https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/3224-E-21st-St-Tulsa-OK/14033430/ (https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/3224-E-21st-St-Tulsa-OK/14033430/) Before: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.133233,-95.941358,3a,75y,220.24h,84.12t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sgBCYE2WSYFQ1kB4Vv96g7A!2e0!5s20160101T000000!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.133233,-95.941358,3a,75y,220.24h,84.12t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sgBCYE2WSYFQ1kB4Vv96g7A!2e0!5s20160101T000000!7i13312!8i6656) In-process streetview from May 2018: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1332285,-95.9413117,3a,75y,216.5h,87.47t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suFeA_KtYbGMedrDpq1-2yA!2e0!5s20180501T000000!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1332285,-95.9413117,3a,75y,216.5h,87.47t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suFeA_KtYbGMedrDpq1-2yA!2e0!5s20180501T000000!7i13312!8i6656) Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: BKDotCom on October 23, 2018, 12:24:09 pm Is the former Empire Optical structure to remain or become parking lot?
To answer my own question: https://tulsa.wigginprop.com/listings/pdfs/Empire%20Center.pdf parking lot Title: Re: Umberto's Pizza on 21st and Harvard Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on October 23, 2018, 02:01:14 pm Is the former Empire Optical structure to remain or become parking lot? To answer my own question: https://tulsa.wigginprop.com/listings/pdfs/Empire%20Center.pdf parking lot Shucks... I thought this was a pretty good development but considering they now destroy that building too, it is seeming like a wash. Destroy several street-facing buildings and replace with nicer newer mostly suburban-style shopping strip. It looks like there's actually 4-5 retail spots and office space upstairs so it does add some things. Overall a pretty expensive development when they could've just built another eye care building. |