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Title: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on March 21, 2015, 08:57:33 pm
Figured it might be good to put this all in one thread.

I've been a cable TV customer essentially since it was a thing that could be purchased. When my cable billed reached $200 about 4 years ago, I decided that was too much. I turned in all of my cable boxes and reduced my TV service to basic cable only, reducing my bill over $100/mo. I have no DVR of any sort. I do have Apple TVs, a PS4 and a couple of Amazon Fire Sticks and I use them in about that order. 

Between Netflix, Hulu, station apps like ABC (which strangely requires a cable subscription to use) and FOX NOW I get most things. If they don't have it, I then go to iTunes and pay like $2 an episode or $20 for a season. That can add up, but it takes a lot to add up to the $100/mo I was paying before.

I am considering Sling and HBO Now but haven't signed up for either yet. Hoping Apple comes out with a service because there are some real gotchas with Sling I don't like.

As mentioned in another thread, Cox is going to require boxes. I tried them and returned them today. They told me that in August you lose all channels Analog and Digital without a box. I am now trying out some antennas and so far am incredibly impressed. I am in Tulsa but get about 2 bars of cell phone reception because I'm in a valley yet I'm getting something like 36 channels with unpowered indoor antennas. That includes NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, ION, CW, MyTV, PBS, MeTV, RetroTV, Escape, HSN, QVC, PBS Kids, Qubo, ThisTV, etc.

The two antennas I've tried so far are:

Mohu Leaf (30mile)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EWEHEL8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Amazon Basics (35 mile)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DIFIO8E/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I also have an Amazon 25-mile on order to try: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DIFIM36/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The Mohu is my favorite so far in build quality, mounting options, etc. The Amazon 35 is significantly larger than the Mohu 30 and has no mounting hardware. Both are flat as paper (except for the connector at the bottom), paintable, and have white and black sides to help hide them.

Am interested in others thoughts and experiences.



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: saintnicster on March 21, 2015, 09:13:45 pm
http://www.reddit.com/r/cordcutters/comments/17ir41/sylver_dragons_quick_newbie_guide_to_a_tv_fool/

Here's the guide thread from the cordcutting sub-reddit. Explains how to get a report of what you should, theoretically, be able to get from a location.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on March 21, 2015, 09:26:14 pm
http://www.reddit.com/r/cordcutters/comments/17ir41/sylver_dragons_quick_newbie_guide_to_a_tv_fool/

Here's the guide thread from the cordcutting sub-reddit. Explains how to get a report of what you should, theoretically, be able to get from a location.

I tried a couple of those but most weren't real clear on indoor antennas.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on March 22, 2015, 09:47:57 am
Why dont you like sling.....???


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Jammie on March 22, 2015, 11:33:09 am
Has anyone every tried this?

http://antennaweb.org/Address.aspx

Would this be a decent alternative or wouldn't there be clear reception? Would it work?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on March 22, 2015, 12:57:11 pm
Why dont you like sling.....???

Single stream (big one for me. I'm regularly doing 2 or 3 on Netflix.)
Limited use of certain channel websites
Price "starts" at $20 and grows pretty quick 
It's still tiered/bundled like cable. Give me all the channels for one price or do it a la carte.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on March 22, 2015, 12:57:43 pm
Has anyone every tried this?

http://antennaweb.org/Address.aspx

Would this be a decent alternative or wouldn't there be clear reception? Would it work?

I used that site to see what is available by antenna.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: saintnicster on March 22, 2015, 01:56:49 pm
I tried a couple of those but most weren't real clear on indoor antennas.

Indoor antennas, while better than they have been, still kinda bad for getting lots of channels.  They're generally passive and omni-directional, so they're the "jack of all trades" type.  You've still got to go through a bunch of walls to get the signal, and they're usually not that high off the ground, so have a disadvantage there.  Any other cables that are near the antenna will become part of the antenna, and you'll have extra interference depending on people walking through/standing in that room.

Since about 2009 or so, I've had this model in various apartments http://www.amazon.com/RCA-Multi-Directional-Digital-Indoor-Antenna/dp/B001GGAIIQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1427053558&sr=1-1&keywords=rca+flat+digital+antenna. 
Worked well enough, but was very susceptible to the wiring around the antenna acting against it.  I'd usually get maybe two of the "big three" local stations and a handful of other religious stuff, but nothing terribly reliable.


When I got my new house in Mayo Meadow, I found out that it had an old-school attic antenna up there. I hooked it into the existing coax cable (minus one jack for internet), and it is glorious.  995 of the channels are crystal clear, minimal digital artifacts (unless it's super cloudy/rainy).  I get basically everything through the red color.
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3df1f010bbd072b1

Really, the only thing I watch on the TV from broadcast is PBS and CreateTV.  The lady will watch some stuff on ABC, but most of the time she'll just watch it on her Hulu account a few days later.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on March 22, 2015, 02:05:59 pm
Won't be cutting the cord here anytime soon.........

http://antennaweb.org/Stations.aspx?Address=599+North+Cedar+Street&City=Coquille&State=OR&ZIP=97423&Housing=S&Accuracy=8&Height=6&Obstructed=False&StationList=&Lat=43.1798446&Lon=-124.1926669 (http://antennaweb.org/Stations.aspx?Address=599+North+Cedar+Street&City=Coquille&State=OR&ZIP=97423&Housing=S&Accuracy=8&Height=6&Obstructed=False&StationList=&Lat=43.1798446&Lon=-124.1926669)


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Jammie on March 22, 2015, 03:00:36 pm
Don't feel bad, Dback. At least you can get six channels. There are two available in my area.

Saintnicster, how many channels were you able to get with the box you got from Amazon? Did you get the three major networks and the weather channel? If so, I'd be good to go!



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: saintnicster on March 22, 2015, 03:44:36 pm
Don't feel bad, Dback. At least you can get six channels. There are two available in my area.

Saintnicster, how many channels were you able to get with the box you got from Amazon? Did you get the three major networks and the weather channel? If so, I'd be good to go!


Actually picked it up from BestBuy, but they don't really carry it anymore.

I don't think that The Weather Channel has any OTA stations.  As far as NBC/ABC/CBS, it just depends on how much junk you've got around you.  Living at University Club, GreenArch, and Westport, I would be able to get NBC and CBS together, but if I wanted to receive ABC, the other two would suffer.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: saintnicster on March 22, 2015, 04:44:35 pm
Indoor antennas, while better than they have been, still kinda bad for getting lots of channels.  They're generally passive and omni-directional, so they're the "jack of all trades" type.  You've still got to go through a bunch of walls to get the signal, and they're usually not that high off the ground, so have a disadvantage there.  Any other cables that are near the antenna will become part of the antenna, and you'll have extra interference depending on people walking through/standing in that room.

Since about 2009 or so, I've had this model in various apartments http://www.amazon.com/RCA-Multi-Directional-Digital-Indoor-Antenna/dp/B001GGAIIQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1427053558&sr=1-1&keywords=rca+flat+digital+antenna. 
Worked well enough, but was very susceptible to the wiring around the antenna acting against it.  I'd usually get maybe two of the "big three" local stations and a handful of other religious stuff, but nothing terribly reliable.


When I got my new house in Mayo Meadow, I found out that it had an old-school attic antenna up there. I hooked it into the existing coax cable (minus one jack for internet), and it is glorious.  995 of the channels are crystal clear, minimal digital artifacts (unless it's super cloudy/rainy).  I get basically everything through the red color.
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3df1f010bbd072b1

Really, the only thing I watch on the TV from broadcast is PBS and CreateTV.  The lady will watch some stuff on ABC, but most of the time she'll just watch it on her Hulu account a few days later.
Of course because of my hubris, I think something shifted in my optimal wiring situation with the attic antenna.  I've lost the super clear signal to the channel set I care about, and am having zero luck trying to get it back :(


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: TeeDub on March 25, 2015, 09:00:10 am
It was my understanding that while Cox is pushing the new boxes, they will continue to offer some digital channels in clearQAM.   (The local ones currently offered today.)

The new boxes are just for those that require subscription (Fox, CNN, HLN, COM, etc.)

I think my Cox bill is only $65 for their 50/5mbps "preferred".   


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on March 25, 2015, 10:32:45 am
Going back to sgrizzle's original post, we have Charter Communications here and they did the same thing last year in discontinuing any analog or digital signal and the only way was to get TV in my dad's bedroom was to get a converter. As it stands right now, we only pay a small fee for two HD boxes (no DVR) and the converter for his 13" analog TV is a no cost. Our bill runs ~$80.00 for a fairly decent package. Trying to convince him to get rid of the DSL line and go to cable modem, and save ~$45.00/month.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 25, 2015, 12:32:44 pm
Figured it might be good to put this all in one thread.

As mentioned in another thread, Cox is going to require boxes. I tried them and returned them today. They told me that in August you lose all channels Analog and Digital without a box. I am now trying out some antennas and so far am incredibly impressed. I am in Tulsa but get about 2 bars of cell phone reception because I'm in a valley yet I'm getting something like 36 channels with unpowered indoor antennas. That includes NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, ION, CW, MyTV, PBS, MeTV, RetroTV, Escape, HSN, QVC, PBS Kids, Qubo, ThisTV, etc.

The two antennas I've tried so far are:

Mohu Leaf (30mile)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EWEHEL8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Amazon Basics (35 mile)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DIFIO8E/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I also have an Amazon 25-mile on order to try: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DIFIM36/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The Mohu is my favorite so far in build quality, mounting options, etc. The Amazon 35 is significantly larger than the Mohu 30 and has no mounting hardware. Both are flat as paper (except for the connector at the bottom), paintable, and have white and black sides to help hide them.

Am interested in others thoughts and experiences.




Can you do any light woodworking or hobbyist type stuff - DIY things?  There are alternatives that may do even better - the one commercial hdtv antenna I have pretty well sucks.  Attic mount would probably help,too.



https://www.google.com/search?q=homemade+digital+tv+antenna&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ffwSVfTQHoH5ggT1k4GYDg&ved=0CB4QsAQ&biw=1295&bih=631

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRZPsBMItx0





Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: TulsaTV on March 25, 2015, 02:31:41 pm
I know I'm a little late to the party, but I started a blog about cord-cutting back in August.

I've been whittling away at the cable bill. We finally cut all but internet last month.

sgrizzle, the most recent post is about my experience with one of those flat antennas (a Winegard) and a Mohu Sky 60.

Thanks,
Mike Ransom
http://blog.tulsatvmemories.com


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on April 02, 2015, 09:52:50 am
I remembered I had an attic antenna. On a whim tried it. got like 27 channels. Channel 8 was the main one missing.

Considering trying an outdoor. My indoor omni antennas work well, but I seem to get interference from some of the weirdest things. Charging an iPad made Channel 6 drop in one room for example.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: saintnicster on April 02, 2015, 09:57:12 am
I remembered I had an attic antenna. On a whim tried it. got like 27 channels. Channel 8 was the main one missing.

Considering trying an outdoor. My indoor omni antennas work well, but I seem to get interference from some of the weirdest things. Charging an iPad made Channel 6 drop in one room for example.
8 and 13 (pbs) have been a bit flakey recently.  Some days, it works great, but even later that day, it'll get super "staticky" and be unwatchable.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on April 02, 2015, 06:25:38 pm
So far I don't get 13 on any antenna.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: saintnicster on April 03, 2015, 07:33:50 am
So far I don't get 13 on any antenna.
Arg, 11.  I keep confusing myself because 13 is another OETA station, and I like watching 11.3 @_@


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Townsend on April 03, 2015, 11:16:03 am
Just did the annual call to get Cox to reverse the fee increase.

I'm pretty sure we're dumping cable.  I'm the last hold out in the house and I'm losing any reason to keep it.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: DolfanBob on April 03, 2015, 01:05:00 pm
Just did the annual call to get Cox to reverse the fee increase.

I'm pretty sure we're dumping cable.  I'm the last hold out in the house and I'm losing any reason to keep it.

Keep their internet and get with me about Direct or Dish. I've had a lot of calls after this latest round of increases. My Cox internet just jumped up to 73 dollars for the next 6 months and will go up another 10 after that.
They're giving us the option of High speed internet or Cable Television. It comes down to how old you are and what service of theirs is more important to you. Mine is TV. The kids its the Internet. I'm just waiting for them to move out. Then I can cut the last Cox cord myself.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Townsend on April 03, 2015, 01:11:23 pm
Keep their internet and get with me about Direct or Dish. I've had a lot of calls after this latest round of increases. My Cox internet just jumped up to 73 dollars for the next 6 months and will go up another 10 after that.
They're giving us the option of High speed internet or Cable Television. It comes down to how old you are and what service of theirs is more important to you. Mine is TV. The kids its the Internet. I'm just waiting for them to move out. Then I can cut the last Cox cord myself.

We're keeping the internet.  Ditching the rest.  we don't really watch much TV anymore.

The kid watches stuff online, Amazon prime, Netflix, YouTube, etc.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on April 04, 2015, 08:36:24 pm
I bought a $120 outdoor antenna for $50 from Mike's Liquidation at 41st and Sheridan. I can get Roger's State (35) if I point the right way, but then I lose the 44's. I switched it back since I don't really care about RSU. Everything else I get perfectly fine. Have it split out to multiple TVs with no issue. Have two more TVs to move to the splitter then I'm calling cox to cut my basic cable. Also probably returning most of the various indoor antennas I've tried.

I tried a few indoor antenna's at Harwelden, and with a westerly view I get 44, Christian and Hispanic station. No majors. Weird.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: TeeDub on April 05, 2015, 07:31:02 pm
I bought a $120 outdoor antenna for $50 from Mike's Liquidation at 41st and Sheridan. I can get Roger's State (35) if I point the right way, but then I lose the 44's. I switched it back since I don't really care about RSU. Everything else I get perfectly fine. Have it split out to multiple TVs with no issue. Have two more TVs to move to the splitter then I'm calling cox to cut my basic cable. Also probably returning most of the various indoor antennas I've tried.

I tried a few indoor antenna's at Harwelden, and with a westerly view I get 44, Christian and Hispanic station. No majors. Weird.

Scott....   If your TVs have digital tuners, Cox rebroadcasts all the local stations in the clear.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on April 05, 2015, 08:49:25 pm
Scott....   If your TVs have digital tuners, Cox rebroadcasts all the local stations in the clear.

Not after august.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on April 10, 2015, 07:24:35 pm
So I've switched to an outdoor antenna and have all my TVs on it. The only problem I have is occasional glitch/stutter. It's not all the time either. Not sure if it's a reception issue or caused by too much splitting. It seems to come and go so it's hard to troubleshoot.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on April 11, 2015, 03:39:15 am
Quote
The 2009 DTV transition required all full-power TV broadcast stations to switch from an analog to a digital format. Cable companies were not required to make this change.

“Digital broadcast” refers to the method of transmission of broadcast signals over-the-air, while “digital cable” refers to the way in which some -- or even all -- of a cable company’s signals are transmitted through its cable wires or fiber.
Your cable company may offer cable channels in an analog tier and others in a digital tier, or it may have transitioned to all-digital service where all of its channels are transmitted using digital technology. The decision to carry channels in analog, analog and digital (sometimes referred to as a “hybrid” system), or solely digital is left to the cable company’s discretion. There is no government requirement for the way cable companies transmit their signals.
If your cable company moves some or all of its channels onto a digital service tier, it may notify you that you need to get “digital cable” equipment to continue receiving those channels. Your cable company may also require you to lease from them a digital cable set-top box or CableCARD, or to purchase at retail a set-top device or a digital cable ready TV equipped with a CableCARD slot. This digital cable equipment is different from the digital-to-analog converter boxes required to receive broadcast signals over-the-air. If you have a digital TV, you may be able to view broadcast stations through your cable system without additional equipment. You should ask your cable company about the equipment options that may be available to you, including any options to purchase equipment from a retailer.
Any analog television not hooked up to cable must use a digital-to-analog converter box to receive broadcast signals over-the-air.

http://www.fcc.gov/guides/dtv-transition-did-not-require-cable-systems-switch-digital (http://www.fcc.gov/guides/dtv-transition-did-not-require-cable-systems-switch-digital)

So cable providers are not required to provide over the air signals to their customers through analog or digital signal to the users TV's without a converter that is proprietary to their network.

Sadly, the cable companies are becoming the current version of Ma Bell prior to the breakup of the Bell System, but the bigger issue is they gaining control of voice, data, and video. They are becoming the "One Stop Shop" for what you need, and there really doesn't seem to be the anti-trust/monopoly discussion going on about how/who is in control. The whole communications landscape has changed with cell phone providers gathering traditional phone communications, and the cable companies gathering TV and internet.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Red Arrow on June 16, 2015, 10:14:55 pm
Any updates on antenna choices?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on June 17, 2015, 06:22:41 am
Any updates on antenna choices?


I have a few friends clamoring that there is something home made that works as good as anything...I will see what I can find out.....


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on June 17, 2015, 10:20:53 am
I have a few friends clamoring that there is something home made that works as good as anything...I will see what I can find out.....

Does it involve your hat? 

Sorry, couldnt resist. ;D


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on June 17, 2015, 10:41:14 am
Does it involve your hat? 

Sorry, couldnt resist. ;D

I will use yours that don't fit you anymore.....


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on June 17, 2015, 02:36:48 pm
Any updates on antenna choices?


I'm using this one, although my reception is a little jittery because it's only about 7' above the ground, I live in a valley, and surrounded by trees.
http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Amplified-Indoor-Outdoor-Antenna/dp/B00MFXNQBU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1434573316&sr=8-3


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: cannon_fodder on June 17, 2015, 04:14:18 pm
Cable companies are my favorite examples of why unregulated monopolies suck. Poor service. Ever increasing prices. And we lag the rest of the world on internet speed in spite of our higher cost. #29 for speed at 36 MBS average, while stinking Romania has 70 MBS!  We pay, on average, much more. That's ignoring the markup on a legacy system that simply rebroadcasts other peoples content. It's not like they are upgrading their cable networks substantially.

I digress -

My name is cannon_fodder, and I'm addicted to sports. Mostly college football and TU basketball. For this, I need certain sports packages that seem to change every damn season. And that sucks, because I spend $180 a month on my habit. So i too am interested in cord cutting.

Questions:
1) What are good alternatives to watching LIVE sporting events?

2) Will these magic antenna work when the big switch happens?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on June 17, 2015, 05:50:59 pm
Questions:
1) What are good alternatives to watching LIVE sporting events?

2) Will these magic antenna work when the big switch happens?

1. More and more companies are adding a-la-carte online services. You just need to pay attention and wait for someone like ESPN and/or Fox Sports to add an online-only package.

2. What big switch? Antennas switched years ago to HD.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 18, 2015, 02:47:29 pm
I broke down and got the Coxbox last weekend.  Using an HDMI cable, everything looks HD now.  Meh...still too may "paid programs" - making me pay to watch their ads.  Still disgusted.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: DolfanBob on June 19, 2015, 10:30:57 am
I broke down and got the Coxbox last weekend.  Using an HDMI cable, everything looks HD now.  Meh...still too may "paid programs" - making me pay to watch their ads.  Still disgusted.


DirecTV my friend. I'll beat Cox bill and give you a referral with another TN member who shall remain nameless.  ;D


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on June 20, 2015, 08:32:42 am
Cancelling cox.......


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on June 20, 2015, 03:39:24 pm
Cancelling cox.......

One of us... one of us..


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 22, 2015, 08:45:10 am
DirecTV my friend. I'll beat Cox bill and give you a referral with another TN member who shall remain nameless.  ;D


May just do that sometime soon.  Still rebuilding from the tornado - one of my temporary landing spots is at a county fairground where I get about half the over-the-air channels from the area - when I get a more permanent temporary, will prolly call.  I find I don't really miss very much of it.  Except PBS - even that doesn't come in well.  May try one of the homemade antennas...

Thought you sold Direct and Dish?  Why Direct over Dish?




Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: DolfanBob on June 22, 2015, 03:06:57 pm

May just do that sometime soon.  Still rebuilding from the tornado - one of my temporary landing spots is at a county fairground where I get about half the over-the-air channels from the area - when I get a more permanent temporary, will prolly call.  I find I don't really miss very much of it.  Except PBS - even that doesn't come in well.  May try one of the homemade antennas...

Thought you sold Direct and Dish?  Why Direct over Dish?




I have Direct because I'm a sports nut. If that doesn't really matter to you. Either one will do just fine. The Hopper DVR has all kinds of neat things you can do online with the built in Slingbox. Leo just loves all the gadget stuff about it. I'm more a watch TV kinda guy so all that stuff really doesn't interest me. Either way I'll get you a better deal than Cox. Good luck with all the rebuild. I'm sorry to hear that happened to you.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 23, 2015, 11:21:36 am
I have Direct because I'm a sports nut. If that doesn't really matter to you. Either one will do just fine. The Hopper DVR has all kinds of neat things you can do online with the built in Slingbox. Leo just loves all the gadget stuff about it. I'm more a watch TV kinda guy so all that stuff really doesn't interest me. Either way I'll get you a better deal than Cox. Good luck with all the rebuild. I'm sorry to hear that happened to you.


Like the bumper sticker says...sh$$ happens... I got off easy compared to most of the people around - didn't get hurt, only lost an RV and bunch of stuff inside it - most was salvageable.  Can't complain (but I still do!).  It is stressful while knee deep in the hoopla...made me lose my normally optimistic, cheery - almost bubbly - disposition for a little while.


Can either of them do internet without a phone line?  Talked to a lady a couple years ago who said she had internet with one of them, but required two antennas...??  Did not make sense to me, but I know for a fact there was no phone line for thousands of feet....



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on June 23, 2015, 12:00:53 pm
Using satellite for internet is still a last resort.  There's only so much bandwidth on the bird, and the latency is murder.

Internet-only U-verse or cable seem to be better options, so call around and compare prices.  Dont be afraid to mention a competitor's quote, because they never give the best deal up front (and dont be fooled by "introductory" rates).

If its internet for your RV, mobile data (LTE) seems like less hassle than satellite, because the guvmt is fickle about people aiming signals *at* satellites.

For general TV watching, I still prefer DirecTV though.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: DolfanBob on June 23, 2015, 02:56:50 pm
Your right Patric. I do not recommend anyone who can get Cable internet or DSL to go with Satellite Internet. The Data plans are way to low and 12 to 20 meg downloads are fine for people who live in a pasture.
Television price we can compete with better equipment and more for your money. And the rain fade of the 90s are a thing of the past. Heavy rain will knock out the "HD" signal for around 3 to 5 minutes. The analog signal stays on pretty consistent during the rain and you can always switch over to it or an outside antenna if you have one.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: CoffeeBean on June 24, 2015, 06:01:40 pm
We cut the cord several years ago and will never go back.  

At the same time, we also cut our broadband package to the lowest speed offered.  Cox assured us this package would make streaming Netflix et al. unwatchable.  

Wrong.

We stream Netflix, HBO, Hulu, YouTube, etc. without buffering or problems.  

We combine a traditional antenna mounted in the attic with Apple TV, and have subscriptions to HBO, Netflix and Hulu.  

The biggest issue is sports.  Whoever cracks that nut wins.  

In the meantime, games broadcast on ESPN or Fox are still available, albeit from pirate sites hosted in foregin countries. So, if sports is your drug, you have a dealer.  You can also mirror the broadcast from your computer to most televisions so you're not anchored to a computer.  


 


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: cynical on June 24, 2015, 08:56:00 pm
Actually, ESPN and some other cable channels are now available to cord-cutters via Sling-TV. https://www.sling.com/ (https://www.sling.com/)

I don't have the service, so I can't vouch for its reliability and quality, and it comes at a price ($20/month), but that is much cheaper than our Cox service. If you are where you can get decent reception on the local channels (I am not), cutting the cord no longer sacrifices sports programming. Sling offers discounts on Roku and some other streaming boxes to ease the pain even more. I'd be curious about whether anyone here has subscribed, and if so, how well it works.

We cut the cord several years ago and will never go back.  

At the same time, we also cut our broadband package to the lowest speed offered.  Cox assured us this package would make streaming Netflix et al. unwatchable.  

Wrong.

We stream Netflix, HBO, Hulu, YouTube, etc. without buffering or problems.  

We combine a traditional antenna mounted in the attic with Apple TV, and have subscriptions to HBO, Netflix and Hulu.  

The biggest issue is sports.  Whoever cracks that nut wins.  

In the meantime, games broadcast on ESPN or Fox are still available, albeit from pirate sites hosted in foregin countries. So, if sports is your drug, you have a dealer.  You can also mirror the broadcast from your computer to most televisions so you're not anchored to a computer.  


 


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: CoffeeBean on June 25, 2015, 06:06:29 am
Thanks for the tip re: ESPN.  $20 a month is steep.  Especially during sport-starved months like June-July-August. 

And for everyone else not familiar with Apple TV, it has an ESPN portal, you just need a regular cable subscription to gain access (which defeats the purpose of cutting in the first place). 


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on June 25, 2015, 06:23:31 am
Lol...20 is steep....How do you figure......You get more than just ESPN......


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on June 25, 2015, 07:59:51 am
Actually, ESPN and some other cable channels are now available to cord-cutters via Sling-TV. https://www.sling.com/ (https://www.sling.com/)

I don't have the service, so I can't vouch for its reliability and quality, and it comes at a price ($20/month), but that is much cheaper than our Cox service. If you are where you can get decent reception on the local channels (I am not), cutting the cord no longer sacrifices sports programming. Sling offers discounts on Roku and some other streaming boxes to ease the pain even more. I'd be curious about whether anyone here has subscribed, and if so, how well it works.


That could work for us.  My wife and I are Food Network junkies, they also have any of the other networks we watch.

So what are the DVR options for cord cutters?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: DolfanBob on June 25, 2015, 08:06:34 am
Sign of the times. I love it. They killed Blockbuster and they are trying to do the same to Cable and satellite TV. Now even the big dog has to raise their rates.
How soon do you think it will be before Hulu, Sling, Amazon, Blockbuster and all these other magical internet monsters do the same?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/09/netflix-price-increase_n_5294450.html

50 dollars or more for internet.
8.99 Netflix.
7.99 Hulu.
20.00 Sling.
9.99/14.99/19.99 Blockbuster all access.
8.33 Amazon.
50.00 playstation vue.
14.99 Tivo.
0.00 Local antenna.

Now I don't expect that everyone subscribes to all these services. But I do see that your cord cutting is not as cheap as you want to think it is. I deal with this kind of thinking on a daily basis and I understand the whole bundle frustration with the cost.
What mainly frustrates me is that people think by doing this they are saving so much money and act like it's all free because of an outside antenna.
There is my breakdown of what is available to all you cord cutters and you and I both know it's not free.

Also. Microsoft and Youtube will be introducing their brand of streaming soon and I'm sure there will also be a fee for those magical services too.
I'm sure most of you would take it personal too if there was a topic bragging about how great it is to be someone who is helping destroy the business you make a living in.



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on June 25, 2015, 09:15:20 am
Sign of the times. I love it. They killed Blockbuster and they are trying to do the same to Cable and satellite TV. Now even the big dog has to raise their rates.
How soon do you think it will be before Hulu, Sling, Amazon, Blockbuster and all these other magical internet monsters do the same?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/09/netflix-price-increase_n_5294450.html

50 dollars or more for internet.
8.99 Netflix.
7.99 Hulu.
20.00 Sling.
9.99/14.99/19.99 Blockbuster all access.
8.33 Amazon.
50.00 playstation vue.
14.99 Tivo.
0.00 Local antenna.

Now I don't expect that everyone subscribes to all these services. But I do see that your cord cutting is not as cheap as you want to think it is. I deal with this kind of thinking on a daily basis and I understand the whole bundle frustration with the cost.
What mainly frustrates me is that people think by doing this they are saving so much money and act like it's all free because of an outside antenna.
There is my breakdown of what is available to all you cord cutters and you and I both know it's not free.

Also. Microsoft and Youtube will be introducing their brand of streaming soon and I'm sure there will also be a fee for those magical services too.
I'm sure most of you would take it personal too if there was a topic bragging about how great it is to be someone who is helping destroy the business you make a living in.


For us it makes sense.  I think our DTV is about $100-$110.

MC already has a subscription for Amazon Prime and our internet is $57 or $59/month.  We will have internet regardless so it’s not a new cost.  I’ve already got Netflix, so adding Hulu and Sling adds $27.99, but dropping off DTV would give me a net savings of $72.01 a month.  If Tivo is the only DVR option, then savings are $57.02 or $684/year.  I’m really not even certain I’d still continue my Netflix sub or get Hulu as there are some shows we like that stream direct from the network’s own web site. 

Just an idea I’m toying with.  I haven’t even started adding up the equipment costs and lifespan of said equipment we’d have to do it.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on June 25, 2015, 10:15:21 am
I haven’t even started adding up the equipment costs and lifespan of said equipment we’d have to do it.

I bought my Philips DirecTV TiVo the week before 9/11.

It is used every day, and runs 24/7.  Some stuff is built right.  +Linux.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: saintnicster on June 25, 2015, 11:16:42 am
Thanks for the tip re: ESPN.  $20 a month is steep.  Especially during sport-starved months like June-July-August. 

And for everyone else not familiar with Apple TV, it has an ESPN portal, you just need a regular cable subscription to gain access (which defeats the purpose of cutting in the first place). 

Most
50 dollars or more for internet.
8.99 Netflix.
7.99 Hulu.
20.00 Sling.
9.99/14.99/19.99 Blockbuster all access.
8.33 Amazon.
50.00 playstation vue.
14.99 Tivo.
0.00 Local antenna.

Here's the thing, though.  Most all of these (Sling included) have no contract.  If there are lapses in content that you want, then don't pay for it!  I'd suppose that Amazon kinda does, as you pay for a year at a time, but even then, if you cancel before that year is up, you can get a partial refund, I believe.

If you're cord-cutting smartly, then you're only subscribed to what you want, when you want it.  You're also hopefully aware of how much overlap there is in the services you're buying.  Someone who has PS Vue likely won't want Sling.  Amazon's streaming and Netflix (when I was a prime member) had a bunch of overlap.  Blockbuster all access, no clue... Netflix or redbox overlap?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on June 25, 2015, 12:41:25 pm
I bought my Philips DirecTV TiVo the week before 9/11.

It is used every day, and runs 24/7.  Some stuff is built right.  +Linux.

The $15/mo kills it for me on that. You can do an OTA-only Tivo with 4 tuners for $50, but then it's $15/mo forever.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: TeeDub on June 25, 2015, 01:08:00 pm
The $15/mo kills it for me on that. You can do an OTA-only Tivo with 4 tuners for $50, but then it's $15/mo forever.

Assuming you have an extra PC and TV tuner card laying around, you can use Windows media center to "Tivo" for free.   It will also bring up menus and programming schedules.   

There are lots of open source alternatives as well.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: cynical on June 25, 2015, 02:12:41 pm
Beware: When Windows 10 rolls out, it will have no Windows Media Center and no way to add it in. The codecs to play digital media will be added later in an update, but the extra bells and whistles will be gone. So hang onto your Windows 7. For $80 you can get SageTV, a dvr application that runs under Windows, Mac OSX, or Linux, or you can set up a Linux box with MythTV. GB-PVR looks good on paper, runs under Windows, and is free. I haven't run any of these and have no idea whether there may be security traps in there somewhere.

Assuming you have an extra PC and TV tuner card laying around, you can use Windows media center to "Tivo" for free.   It will also bring up menus and programming schedules.   

There are lots of open source alternatives as well.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: DolfanBob on June 25, 2015, 04:21:24 pm
Beware: When Windows 10 rolls out, it will have no Windows Media Center and no way to add it in. The codecs to play digital media will be added later in an update, but the extra bells and whistles will be gone. So hang onto your Windows 7. For $80 you can get SageTV, a dvr application that runs under Windows, Mac OSX, or Linux, or you can set up a Linux box with MythTV. GB-PVR looks good on paper, runs under Windows, and is free. I haven't run any of these and have no idea whether there may be security traps in there somewhere.


OMG! All that to watch TV. Count me out.  ::)


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on June 25, 2015, 08:02:37 pm
OMG! All that to watch TV. Count me out.  ::)

What would you do for a few thousand dollars? apparently not spend an hour on a computer.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: TeeDub on June 26, 2015, 08:58:28 am
OMG! All that to watch TV. Count me out.  ::)

No, all that to timeshift/tivo TV.   You can still watch TV for free with just an antenna.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: DolfanBob on June 26, 2015, 09:17:41 am
What would you do for a few thousand dollars? apparently not spend an hour on a computer.

That's my problem. I'm on a computer 55 hours a week. When I get home. The last thing I want to do is jack with a computer. But that's just me.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on June 26, 2015, 09:52:59 am
That's my problem. I'm on a computer 55 hours a week. When I get home. The last thing I want to do is jack with a computer. But that's just me.

Only 55 hours? You must have quite the thriving social life :)


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: DolfanBob on June 26, 2015, 10:03:20 am
Only 55 hours? You must have quite the thriving social life :)

That's why Television is my primary entertainment. I feel I'm getting old. Lord help me if I start watching Lawrence Welk reruns. ;D


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 26, 2015, 10:04:09 am
That's why Television is my primary entertainment. I feel I'm getting old. Lord help me if I start watching Lawrence Welk reruns. ;D


Could be worse - you could have had to watch them when first shown....live!




Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: DolfanBob on June 26, 2015, 10:11:38 am

Could be worse - you could have had to watch them when first shown....live!




That's the deal. Every time we went to my Grandparents house on Sunday. He was live and in color. But he was wunerful, wunerful!


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Townsend on June 26, 2015, 11:35:53 am
That's the deal. Every time we went to my Grandparents house on Sunday. He was live and in color. But he was wunerful, wunerful!

Try watching it now.  It's a whole new ballgame when you realize how crazy it is.

If you partake...it makes it worth an afternoon.

There's a particular one where a young, pretty girl and this older lecherous dude with a pornstache are singing "would you have my baby"...you can see the disgust on her face having to sing with him.  It's classic. 

Don't knock the Welk.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 26, 2015, 12:09:52 pm
That's the deal. Every time we went to my Grandparents house on Sunday. He was live and in color. But he was wunerful, wunerful!


Ahhh....you got in after the switch...  from B & W to color...lucky you!



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sauerkraut on June 26, 2015, 12:36:33 pm
I still have a working B&W TV set that my parents bought in 1970. It's a Zenith 21" screen. Metal cabinet and it's full of tubes. It works well but the picture tube must be getting weak it takes it awhile to reach full brightness.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: DolfanBob on July 03, 2015, 01:29:40 pm
An interesting article on Variety website.

 http://variety.com/2015/tv/opinion/lifetime-movie-club-ott-hbo-now-1201533338/


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: AngieB on August 22, 2015, 09:20:05 am
On a whim, we picked up an Amplified Indoor Antenna to see what we could get without cable. I've moved the antenna all over the place, pointed it different directions, and no matter what I do, I can't get channel 8! KTUL is even the closest station to us...their transmitter is on the hill, right? What the heck?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Hoss on August 22, 2015, 09:27:33 am
On a whim, we picked up an Amplified Indoor Antenna to see what we could get without cable. I've moved the antenna all over the place, pointed it different directions, and no matter what I do, I can't get channel 8! KTUL is even the closest station to us...their transmitter is on the hill, right? What the heck?

Nope, KTUL transmits from Coweta, like most of the other big 3.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: AngieB on August 22, 2015, 10:18:57 am
Well, poo. I don't get it. 2 & 6 come in perfectly.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Red Arrow on August 23, 2015, 10:43:22 am
On a whim, we picked up an Amplified Indoor Antenna to see what we could get without cable. I've moved the antenna all over the place, pointed it different directions, and no matter what I do, I can't get channel 8! KTUL is even the closest station to us...their transmitter is on the hill, right? What the heck?

Channel 8 is just a bit closer to Coweta than the other towers.  The change in direction from west Tulsa should be insignificant.  Indoor antennas are susceptible to walls and other objects in your home so moving it about and pointing is a good first attempt.  I put an amplified antenna in the attic with better success than in the living room.  It feeds into the splitter we used for Cox to also feed the TV in the master bedroom.  Occasionally the picture gets some big pixel looking blotches and the sound gets garbled for a few seconds.  The antenna is supposed to be omni-directional but it still likes to be pointed just a bit. I get most of the channels except 47.  I can get 47 by twisting the antenna a bit but then I loose another channel (I forget which one right now) that I want to watch more than 47.  I live near 111th & Memorial at the north end of Bixby.

Follow the BA/Tpk from Tulsa to Coweta. The two tall blue pointy things are the antenna farm which includes Ch6.  The tall blue pointy thing with the shorter inverted "V" closer to Coweta is Ch8.
http://vfrmap.com/?type=vfrc&lat=36.175&lon=-96.152&zoom=10



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on August 23, 2015, 09:51:43 pm
If I get 2 and 6, I get 8. I have flaky luck with 44, but it's pretty much the opposite direction of everything else.

In a valley, I found better luck with unidirectional over directional antenna. I also got the $50 Tivo.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: TeeDub on August 24, 2015, 07:16:57 am

I got 2, 6, 11, 23, 41 just by going out to the cox cable box and unplugging their cable. (Careful not to unplug the cable modem.)   Apparently there was a lot of antenna action and bleed in my old coax.

Once I put an antenna on it, I get everything pretty well now (although it still gets angry about 8 sometimes).   I blame that on being behind the bass pro hill.



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: DolfanBob on August 24, 2015, 07:26:34 am
Analog signal penetrated structures better and antennas worked just fine in the attic. After the switch to digital the signal travels further but has less ability to penetrate things like the good old analog did. I also have an off air antenna but I put it outside on a pole at the end of the house and I pick up signal perfect. 17, 53, 19 and maybe a couple of other channels I don't receive very well because their tower is the opposite direction of Broken Arrow and I can't justify tying in a UHF only antenna just to pick them up since I get them on "SATELLITE TV" already. Well not 17 but who cares?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on September 20, 2015, 01:16:41 pm
Maybe the biggest mistake I was making early on was assuming most of this was following the AppleTV model where hardware was tied to a dedicated subscription service.

Im looking mostly at the Roku2 lately (which seems a better box than its successor the Roku3) and is provider-agnostic.

Of course, we also have to re-discover the TV Aerial, which was a telescoping, eye-poking thing that used to be built into TV sets but never quite worked until you dressed it up with some aluminum foil.  

Thank God high-tech has come to the rescue.
(http://netdna.walyou.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/11/The-Mohu-Leaf-antenna-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on September 20, 2015, 08:42:33 pm
Maybe the biggest mistake I was making early on was assuming most of this was following the AppleTV model where hardware was tied to a dedicated subscription service.

AppleTV doesn't have a subscription service


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: saintnicster on September 21, 2015, 01:02:33 pm
AppleTV doesn't have a subscription service
It's a super confusing sentence, took a couple times to read over.

But for the majority of the apps on the 2nd and 3rd gen AppleTVs, you needed an account with the channel or through a cable service to actually get most (if not all) of the content provided  (DisneyXD, History, etc).  We use ours mostly as a PBS video streamer at this point, since the TV itself now has built-in Hulu, Netflix, and Plex apps.  I'm curious if the platform updates in October/November will be worth the new device.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on September 21, 2015, 01:10:30 pm
AppleTV doesn't have a subscription service

I was thinking iTunes.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on September 21, 2015, 02:26:02 pm
I have tried all the various boxes and much prefer the Amazon FireTV.  The Google Nexus player is solid as well, but lacks the Amazon app/store for streaming which I use a great deal since I have bought content that way.

The Roku are nice, but I've had a lot of technical problems with them after less than a year.

Our exercise room had, had being the key word, a Roku attached to the TV in there, which is less than 8 months old, and it is now having problems where it constantly says  "HDCP Unauthorized. Content disabled" which after investigation seems to be pretty common with their devices. This is the second Roku I have had do this. Change the HDMI cable, still had a problem. Changed the port on the TV that the Roku is plugged into, same problem. Plugged to Roku into a different TV, same problem. I then hooked a spare Chromecast I had lying around to the TV in the exercise room and it works without issue.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on September 22, 2015, 09:18:13 am
I have a couple FireTV sticks and they lock up or need reboot more than Windows. I had one locked up and when I got it back on it would;t do anything. Turned out it kicked off a firmware update so I just couldn't use it for the next half hour.

On Hulu the video will stop but the audio will keep going, eventually the video starts going again. On Netflix and HBO all or part of the screen goes green static about every 5 or 10 minutes.

I have AppleTV, SmartTV and Tivo and I generally like the Apple interface better. They are getting smart search like Tivo but on Tivo it always gives me results for services I don't have and have turned off.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on September 22, 2015, 09:32:15 am
I have a couple FireTV sticks and they lock up or need reboot more than Windows. I had one locked up and when I got it back on it would;t do anything. Turned out it kicked off a firmware update so I just couldn't use it for the next half hour.

On Hulu the video will stop but the audio will keep going, eventually the video starts going again. On Netflix and HBO all or part of the screen goes green static about every 5 or 10 minutes.

I have AppleTV, SmartTV and Tivo and I generally like the Apple interface better. They are getting smart search like Tivo but on Tivo it always gives me results for services I don't have and have turned off.

That is odd. I have one FireTV and 2 Fire Sticks. Never had an issues with any of them. We had an AppleTV but I recently gave it away. I haven't found a SmartTV interface I like at all as they all seem poorly implemented or clunky. To each their own....it is nice having choices.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Hoss on September 22, 2015, 09:54:44 am
That is odd. I have one FireTV and 2 Fire Sticks. Never had an issues with any of them. We had an AppleTV but I recently gave it away. I haven't found a SmartTV interface I like at all as they all seem poorly implemented or clunky. To each their own....it is nice having choices.

I think Samsung is doing Smart TVs right now about as well as any of them.  They are a little pricey, but I got a good deal on a 4k TV with Smart functionality back in Feb (55" for about 1200).


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on September 22, 2015, 01:06:14 pm
That is odd. I have one FireTV and 2 Fire Sticks. Never had an issues with any of them. We had an AppleTV but I recently gave it away. I haven't found a SmartTV interface I like at all as they all seem poorly implemented or clunky. To each their own....it is nice having choices.

To me, the TVs are just lacking the processing power and well-defined OS. Java is crap and a CPU hog so trying to just say "make your thing work in Java" and then putty in a clunky linux OS running java on slow-for-2005 chips is going to be a poor experience for everyone. could be worse. could be Flash.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: saintnicster on September 23, 2015, 07:50:22 am
To me, the TVs are just lacking the processing power and well-defined OS. Java is crap and a CPU hog so trying to just say "make your thing work in Java" and then putty in a clunky linux OS running java on slow-for-2005 chips is going to be a poor experience for everyone. could be worse. could be Flash.

Which is why it seems why a lot of TVs are leaning towards fancy-ish web apps. Most everything in run remotely and piped over.   That, and you (hopefully) just have to make minimal UI and packaging changes between platforms


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: TeeDub on September 27, 2015, 09:36:03 am

Beware of so called "smart TVs."    I just got an email from Amazon stating that my LG will no longer be supporting Amazon Prime streaming and offered me a discount on a HDMI stick.

If I wanted to run crap off a stick, I wouldn't have gotten the smart tv.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on September 28, 2015, 05:48:38 pm
Youtube dropped support for a lot of older streaming devices too. Most people keep a TV 5-10 years but a $50-$99 device they are willing to replace every 3 years without much of a problem.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on October 10, 2015, 11:34:24 am
So I tried a Mohu Leaf flat antenna, used pushpins to hang it on an east-facing wall, and got 47 channels first try.

I never knew we had so may Spanish-language channels in Tulsa.
Lots of shopping and televangelists, too.
...but a handful of older TV show and movie channels that remind me of the early days of Tulsa Cable.

Ill be looking closer at this butt-ugly thing... its a TiVo, and it spans OTA as well as internet-fed programs:

(http://d3i3l3kraiqpym.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/04180350/TiVos-new-DVR-Bolt.jpg)

http://www.techhive.com/article/2989652/home-players/tivo-bolt-review-the-best-dvr-gets-better.html


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on October 11, 2015, 11:49:30 am
You can get a Roamio OTA for antenna and streaming for $50 at Best Buy today. The only thing this offers is some commercial-skip features that may kinda sorta work.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on October 11, 2015, 01:59:45 pm
You can get a Roamio OTA for antenna and streaming for $50 at Best Buy today. The only thing this offers is some commercial-skip features that may kinda sorta work.

The TiVo Bolt is the successor to the Roamio, and is still rolling out features in the way of firmware upgrades.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/dvrs-digital-video-recorders-reviews/tivo-bolt-review/

If you have an older Roameo or TiVo Mini in another room, the Bolt is supposed to be able to stream to them as well.
The strength of TiVo is its interface, which is normally a monthly fee but the first year is free.  Worth investigating.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on October 11, 2015, 07:11:08 pm
The TiVo Bolt is the successor to the Roamio, and is still rolling out features in the way of firmware upgrades.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/dvrs-digital-video-recorders-reviews/tivo-bolt-review/

If you have an older Roameo or TiVo Mini in another room, the Bolt is supposed to be able to stream to them as well.
The strength of TiVo is its interface, which is normally a monthly fee but the first year is free.  Worth investigating.

The bolt is also $300 and the Roamio OTA is $50


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: TeeDub on October 12, 2015, 06:45:33 am

I guess my dreams of not paying for content just are not quite ready yet.

$300 or $50 upfront, then $15/month for a combo VCR/Roku box.   


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on October 12, 2015, 07:35:52 am
Pretty happy with Sling and Amazon fire Tv.........


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: AngieB on October 12, 2015, 07:51:52 am
What do you all do for a DVR? Subscription required or not?

And how will I watch Bravo?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: carltonplace on October 12, 2015, 09:06:30 am
What do you all do for a DVR? Subscription required or not?

And how will I watch Bravo?

Good question on the DVR...I see some are using ROKU.

Since COX turned off my peripheral TVs and want me to install their "digital boxes" on them I am done.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on October 12, 2015, 10:09:46 am
What do you all do for a DVR? Subscription required or not?

And how will I watch Bravo?

$145.00/year subscription to Hulu Plus.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on October 12, 2015, 11:19:50 am
Good question on the DVR...I see some are using ROKU.

Since COX turned off my peripheral TVs and want me to install their "digital boxes" on them I am done.

This is where I was at.....fuk them....The way they went about that was a stupid way to do business....


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: saintnicster on October 12, 2015, 02:59:42 pm
I guess my dreams of not paying for content just are not quite ready yet.

plenty of piracy sites out there


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: TeeDub on October 12, 2015, 03:03:22 pm
plenty of piracy sites out there

That is true.   But is the risk worth the reward for something that I could just DVR for free....  errr...  $15/month.

I guess I could turn on my inner nerd and either build a mythTV box or dig out a copy of windows 7 that still has mediacenter built in.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on October 12, 2015, 06:53:34 pm
$145.00/year subscription to Hulu Plus.

In my 6 months using Hulu Plus I found that if it was on a cable channel, you still had to have a cable subscription to watch it, even on Hulu plus.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Vashta Nerada on December 12, 2015, 05:51:24 pm
Cox Cable lies to consumers considering "cable cutting"

http://www.techhive.com/article/3012512/streaming-media/cox-communications-anti-cord-cutting-propaganda-is-as-sad-as-youd-expect.html?google_editors_picks=true





Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: AngieB on December 13, 2015, 12:32:27 pm
Cox Cable lies to consumers considering "cable cutting"

http://www.techhive.com/article/3012512/streaming-media/cox-communications-anti-cord-cutting-propaganda-is-as-sad-as-youd-expect.html?google_editors_picks=true




Jeeze, everything is an effing conspiracy, isn't it Vashta? #bored #movealong #getoverit


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Vashta Nerada on December 13, 2015, 07:34:14 pm
Jeeze, everything is an effing conspiracy, isn't it Vashta? #bored #movealong #getoverit

What is the article not relevant, timely or local?   #complainsbeforereading


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on December 28, 2015, 02:28:44 pm
What do you all do for a DVR? Subscription required or not?

And how will I watch Bravo?

https://www.tablotv.com/


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on December 29, 2015, 04:22:01 pm
https://www.tablotv.com/

So, like a pricier Tivo with a lower chance of the company sticking around?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on December 29, 2015, 07:32:36 pm
So, like a pricier Tivo with a lower chance of the company sticking around?

The Tivo Bolt starts at $299 and goes to $399. Then of course there is the monthly 15 fee for using guide data with it.

The Roamio, if you can find it in stock is $199 but also has that $15 per month fee.

The Tivo mini, if you want to watch in other rooms are $149 each with a $5.99 per month fee tacked on.

The Tablo 4 tuner I bought on sale for $280 at Amazon and can use it with my existing Amazon Fire TV's or Rokus. You do need to attach a hard drive to it for recordings, but since I had a 2TB drive just lying around there was no extra cost for me there. There is a $4.99 per month fee if you want to get 2 weeks worth of guide data or you can pay a $150 lifetime fee. That fee is also your lifetime, not the device's which is different from Tivo's lifetime subscription which only covers the unit's lifetime.

If you want the lowest cost OTA DVR then the Channel Master DVR + is the way to go. For a single TV of course since they have no whole-home solution.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on December 29, 2015, 07:47:38 pm
To Roamio OTA (meant for cord cutters) is $50 for four tuners but has it's own hard drive unlike Tablo.
Lifetime service is $200, occasionally on sale for $100

So Tivo is $150-$250 total.

Tablo at $280 + $150 service + hard drive (say another $100) = $530

Yeah, the service is portable, but the company is like 2 years old and it costs more than double.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on December 29, 2015, 08:10:03 pm
To Roamio OTA (meant for cord cutters) is $50 for four tuners but has it's own hard drive unlike Tablo.
Lifetime service is $200, occasionally on sale for $100

So Tivo is $150-$250 total.

Tablo at $280 + $150 service + hard drive (say another $100) = $530

Yeah, the service is portable, but the company is like 2 years old and it costs more than double.

That's assuming you are only going to watch content on 1 television. Between the wife, kids and myself we more often than not have 3 sets going at the same time.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on December 30, 2015, 08:36:39 pm
That's assuming you are only going to watch content on 1 television. Between the wife, kids and myself we more often than not have 3 sets going at the same time.

The Tivo Mini gives you a full box for $149, there is NO additional monthly fee

The Tivo Stream lets you watch via multiple phones/tablets, including from outside the house, for $129. Also no additional monthly fee.

Even if you bought both, you're still cheaper than the Tablo.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: swake on December 30, 2015, 09:43:46 pm
The Tivo Mini gives you a full box for $149, there is NO additional monthly fee

The Tivo Stream lets you watch via multiple phones/tablets, including from outside the house, for $129. Also no additional monthly fee.

Even if you bought both, you're still cheaper than the Tablo.


Several months ago I left the disaster that is U-Verse and went back to Cox. I got a special locked in price for two years with 100mb internet and in order to lower the cost per month even more to something more reasonable instead of paying Cox's DVR fee and box rental fees I got a refurbished Roamio for I think $99 with a year commitment to Tivo and got two Tivo Minis for $120 each. So I spent about $350 for the whole house with a $15 monthly fee. Saves me about $50 net a month with Cox with a better guide and better box functionality.



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on December 31, 2015, 08:59:08 am
Several months ago I left the disaster that is U-Verse and went back to Cox. I got a special locked in price for two years with 100mb internet and in order to lower the cost per month even more to something more reasonable instead of paying Cox's DVR fee and box rental fees I got a refurbished Roamio for I think $99 with a year commitment to Tivo and got two Tivo Minis for $120 each. So I spent about $350 for the whole house with a $15 monthly fee. Saves me about $50 net a month with Cox with a better guide and better box functionality.


What’s your monthly rate with Cox?  I was assuming the $15/mo you mentioned was a Tivo subscription.  We are debating whether or not we really need a satellite or cable service, but high speed internet is a must.  We have DirecTV now and can only imagine what a disaster as time goes on under AT&T’s ownership.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on December 31, 2015, 10:44:52 am
The Tivo Mini gives you a full box for $149, there is NO additional monthly fee

The Tivo Stream lets you watch via multiple phones/tablets, including from outside the house, for $129. Also no additional monthly fee.

Even if you bought both, you're still cheaper than the Tablo.

For a Tivo setup I would need a Roamio at $199 and 2 Tivo Minis at $149 for a total of $497 on hardware. I would then have to pay $14.99 per month for the service which comes to $179.88 for a year.

So in total a Tivo solution would cost me $676.88 for the first year and $179 each year after.

The 4 tuner Tablo cost me $280 and since I already had Amazon Fire TV's on the televisions in the house that it would need to stream to I have no other hardware cost. I do have to pay $4.99 per month or $49.99 per year for the guide service.

So in total the Tablo solution cost me $329.99 for the first year and $49.99 each year after.

Year 1 cost savings = $346.89
Year 2 + cost savings = $129.93


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on January 01, 2016, 10:19:33 pm
For a Tivo setup I would need a Roamio at $199 and 2 Tivo Minis at $149 for a total of $497 on hardware. I would then have to pay $14.99 per month for the service which comes to $179.88 for a year.

So in total a Tivo solution would cost me $676.88 for the first year and $179 each year after.

The 4 tuner Tablo cost me $280 and since I already had Amazon Fire TV's on the televisions in the house that it would need to stream to I have no other hardware cost. I do have to pay $4.99 per month or $49.99 per year for the guide service.

So in total the Tablo solution cost me $329.99 for the first year and $49.99 each year after.

Year 1 cost savings = $346.89
Year 2 + cost savings = $129.93

The Tivo Roamio will stream to Amazon FireTVs as well. And lifetime service is $200 so a Tivo solution year 1 for you would be $398, year 2 and 3 would be $0. Slightly less if you did a Roamio OTA plus a Stream ($378 total)

Year 1: Tivo $378-398, Tablo $330 (only because you had the additional hard drive, otherwise roughly $430)
Year 2. Tivo $0 Tablo $50
Year 3. Tivo $0 Tablo $50


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on January 01, 2016, 11:58:47 pm
The Tivo Roamio will stream to Amazon FireTVs as well. And lifetime service is $200 so a Tivo solution year 1 for you would be $398, year 2 and 3 would be $0. Slightly less if you did a Roamio OTA plus a Stream ($378 total)

Year 1: Tivo $378-398, Tablo $330 (only because you had the additional hard drive, otherwise roughly $430)
Year 2. Tivo $0 Tablo $50
Year 3. Tivo $0 Tablo $50

The Tivo app only streams recorded content hosted on the Tivo Roamio/Bolt, not live TV.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on January 02, 2016, 01:07:11 am
Sounds too confusing to me.  I think we will just sell our TVs and go ride our bikes.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 02, 2016, 04:23:59 am
Okay, so to do a cord cutting you still need a high speed internet connection, then you need equipment for each TV, then you need DVR's of some type, and a subscription for those, and a subscription for a channel guide, and a Netflix, Hulu, Roku, Amazon Prime, and if you are a sports person you need something else to provide not only local, but national sports.

If you are truly cord cutting, then you need to go to over the air broadcast, and not receive anything from Cox/AT&T UVERSE/DirecTV/Dish, or any internet connection through them.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: AquaMan on January 02, 2016, 09:58:34 am
That's what I do. It is a brutal withdrawal from our television based society but in the long run makes you feel better about yourself when you walk/run/bike the neighborhood and realize....everyone has their sets on while the real world is transpiring right outside their doors.

I use Netflix via a ROKU and a well rated RCA antenna in my attic. Limited programming for sure but I grew up with three commercial channels and PBS so its not foreign to me. I think I have about 45 channels and much of it is religious, Spanish and commercial. That's enough to keep me entertained. However, I truly miss football games which are increasingly on pay channels. Imagine. You watch sub par sports analysis punctuated by hours of advertising and you pay extra to do so. ESPN spider cam games are really cool though. Since there are no replays and play by play its more like actually being there.

Do I miss DVR? Hardly. It seems to me to be a modern way of avoiding commercial advertising. Just get up and go get another beer. And the libraries of movies and games are likely seldom accessed later. Has some value but not enough to justify the complexity and expense.

My motives for this Spartan life are mostly economic. I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars a month for what should be free since they use my airwaves and bombard me with car ads, pharmaceutical ads and crappy low brow entertainment. I already pay too much to At&t for family phone plans and high speed internet (that's irritating enough since communication used to be simple and effective at $50 month). Its like paying a $20 door charge to visit hundreds of retailers who want to sell you boats, appliances and cars. Wait...that's the whole philosophy behind the EXPO isn't it? Oh, well.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on January 02, 2016, 11:18:15 am
Okay, so to do a cord cutting you still need a high speed internet connection, then you need equipment for each TV, then you need DVR's of some type, and a subscription for those, and a subscription for a channel guide, and a Netflix, Hulu, Roku, Amazon Prime, and if you are a sports person you need something else to provide not only local, but national sports.

If you are truly cord cutting, then you need to go to over the air broadcast, and not receive anything from Cox/AT&T UVERSE/DirecTV/Dish, or any internet connection through them.

I would be perfectly fine with that solution. Save for the high speed Internet connection as I need that for working from home.

The wife and kids have far more televisions needs than I do. I can be entertained with the OTA channels, I find myself watching MeTV for the old shows more than anything.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: AquaMan on January 02, 2016, 11:39:47 am
We currently enjoy Comet tv (8-2) and retro (8-3), then 23-2 for period sit-coms and drama. OTA and PBS offer fine programming. Of course we still get the local channels with their local crime and weather reporting so we're not totally out of the loop. I don't miss the 300 channels at all. Total tv budget is about $8 per month.

Our internet ($50/month) is still through U-verse and at&t is not happy about it either. I could buy a luxury car for what we pay them per month for cell service. Phones and tv used to take a small amount of consumer budgets. Somehow they have convinced the public that they need to be considered as important as utilities and carve out larger and larger chunks of household budgets. The pendulum will swing back.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on January 02, 2016, 04:21:25 pm
We currently enjoy Comet tv (8-2) and retro (8-3), then 23-2 for period sit-coms and drama. OTA and PBS offer fine programming. Of course we still get the local channels with their local crime and weather reporting so we're not totally out of the loop. I don't miss the 300 channels at all. Total tv budget is about $8 per month.

Our internet ($50/month) is still through U-verse and at&t is not happy about it either. I could buy a luxury car for what we pay them per month for cell service. Phones and tv used to take a small amount of consumer budgets. Somehow they have convinced the public that they need to be considered as important as utilities and carve out larger and larger chunks of household budgets. The pendulum will swing back.

Interesting point: We don’t get PBS on DirecTV.  Not sure what the issue was, but it’s no longer there.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on January 02, 2016, 05:25:48 pm
Interesting point: We don’t get PBS on DirecTV.  Not sure what the issue was, but it’s no longer there.

I took DirecTV down to its most basic package and still get OETA on Ch. 11.  Just confirmed PBS is still there so you might poke around your settings.

Eventually DirecTV and I will part company.  They went years without price increases (and only started to pile up relatively recently) but im foolishly sentimental about the DirecTiVo I have been using since the week before 9/11.  Damn reliable appliance.  Runs Linux.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: joiei on January 02, 2016, 08:42:05 pm
I get 4 channel 11s and I am on antenna and no cable of any kind. 


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on January 02, 2016, 10:33:18 pm
Okay, so to do a cord cutting you still need a high speed internet connection, then you need equipment for each TV, then you need DVR's of some type, and a subscription for those, and a subscription for a channel guide, and a Netflix, Hulu, Roku, Amazon Prime, and if you are a sports person you need something else to provide not only local, but national sports.

If you are truly cord cutting, then you need to go to over the air broadcast, and not receive anything from Cox/AT&T UVERSE/DirecTV/Dish, or any internet connection through them.

Cord cutting refers to cutting bundled TV providers, not to cutting all cables. The TV uses power too and we aren't cutting that one.

I primarily use an Antenna and Netflix at a whopping $8/month on top of my $50 internet bill. I was paying Cox $200/month. I recently gave Tivo a try ($50+ $15/mo) but it's not required for cord cutting. While Hulu can give you much of the same content, they have a lot of ridiculous limits.

I could buy and subscribe to almost everything out there, and still pay less that Cox/AT&T/Directv/dish.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: joiei on January 04, 2016, 05:30:42 am
Cord cutting refers to cutting bundled TV providers, not to cutting all cables. The TV uses power too and we aren't cutting that one.

I primarily use an Antenna and Netflix at a whopping $8/month on top of my $50 internet bill. I was paying Cox $200/month. I recently gave Tivo a try ($50+ $15/mo) but it's not required for cord cutting. While Hulu can give you much of the same content, they have a lot of ridiculous limits.

I could buy and subscribe to almost everything out there, and still pay less that Cox/AT&T/Directv/dish.
So in other words you cut the cord but you kept a lifeline. 


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on January 07, 2016, 02:59:38 pm
So right on cue I get a notice today of another DirecTV price increase effective the 15th of this month.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on January 07, 2016, 03:13:05 pm
And now there’s this from Cox:

Quote
Cox launches high-speed Internet service in OKC, Tulsa

Cox Communications has launched its gigabit Internet service for residential customers in Oklahoma.

Marketed under the name "Gigablast," Cox now offers speeds 100 times faster than the average speed in the U.S. today.

“This is an important development for Oklahoma, adding another quality of life factor that will help lure more businesses, families and young people to our state,” Gov. Mary Fallin said at a press conference Thursday at the state Capitol to announce the launch of the new Internet service.

Cox is deploying residential gigabit Internet speeds in Oklahoma City and Tulsa residential areas and in Cox locations across the country. The service has already been available for Cox's business customers for some time.

The company is in the process of deploying the new service in Oklahoma City neighborhoods and Gigablast is already available in some neighborhoods.

Cox has already launched Gigablast in 10 states and will have gigabit speeds in all of its markets by the end of 2016.

Cox employs about 1,800 in Oklahoma, and its investment in adding Gigablast to Oklahoma is part of about $1 billion in infrastructure investments the company has made in the state over the past decade, Oklahoma City Mayor Mick Cornett said at the press conference.

The service offers speeds as fast as 1,000 megabits per second that will allow customers to download an estimated 100 songs in 3 seconds.

“Cox has always had an evolving and dynamic plan to continue to advance our services to meet the growing demands of our customers,” Region Manager Percy Kirk said. “By bringing gigabit Internet speeds to the market, Cox is once again ensuring our technology readiness long into the future.”

Gigablast service is being offered to residential customers starting at $99 per month for a one-year deal, according to Cox's website. 

Internet providers have been in a race to bring gigabit internet service to the  Oklahoma City market. In October, Google said it was eyeing Oklahoma City for as a place to expand its super-fast Internet service and cable television platform called Google Fiber.

AT&T said in December that it plans to expand the availability of its GigaPower network in Oklahoma City in Tulsa beginning this year.

http://newsok.com/cox-launches-high-speed-internet-service-in-okc-tulsa/article/5471179


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Townsend on January 07, 2016, 04:21:08 pm
So right on cue I get a notice today of another DirecTV price increase effective the 15th of this month.

Call and ask for customer retention.  They are the best way I've found to handle that situation.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Townsend on January 07, 2016, 04:24:49 pm
And now there’s this from Cox:

“This is an important development for Oklahoma, adding another quality of life factor that will help lure more businesses, families and young people to our state,” Gov. Mary Fallin said at a press conference Thursday at the state Capitol to announce the launch of the new Internet service.

Someone should ask her on camera to explain the speed differences and see how she does.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Red Arrow on January 07, 2016, 06:36:32 pm
Your service is only as fast as your slowest connection to a site.  Is it really Gigabit (as in 8 bits to a Byte) to make it sound faster?  I'm asking.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on January 07, 2016, 06:41:31 pm
Doesn't show as available for me. Technically the down speed is only 5x faster than what they had before, but I think the up speeds are supposed to be much better.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on January 07, 2016, 07:40:51 pm
Someone should ask her on camera to explain the speed differences and see how she does.

We dont have any DOCSIS 3.1 networks in the state, do we?   Maybe this was just some forward thinking projection vaporware to let some air out of at&t's drum-banging:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/att-plans-to-launch-blazing-fast-gigabit-internet-speeds-in-oklahoma-city-and-tulsa-areas-300189211.html


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Red Arrow on January 07, 2016, 08:14:16 pm
We dont have any DOCSIS 3.1 networks in the state, do we?   Maybe this was just some forward thinking projection vaporware to let some air out of at&t's drum-banging:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/att-plans-to-launch-blazing-fast-gigabit-internet-speeds-in-oklahoma-city-and-tulsa-areas-300189211.html

They are all runners-up.  BTC (formerly known as Bixby Telephone Company) already has Gigabit in some areas.



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on January 12, 2016, 10:28:22 pm
They are all runners-up.  BTC (formerly known as Bixby Telephone Company) already has Gigabit in some areas.



Yeah, but then you have to live in Bixby.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Red Arrow on January 12, 2016, 11:06:10 pm
Yeah, but then you have to live in Bixby.

Bixby wasn't too bad before it got Tulsafied.
 
 ;D



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Townsend on January 13, 2016, 12:18:42 pm
Bixby wasn't too bad before it got Tulsafied.


In the 80's I remember Bixby as a bunch of mobile homes and angry opinionated non-voters attempting to hide their weed before going to church.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Red Arrow on January 13, 2016, 12:30:46 pm
In the 80's I remember Bixby as a bunch of mobile homes and angry opinionated non-voters attempting to hide their weed before going to church.

Not the part of Bixby where I live.  Includes 1971 and on.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: swake on January 13, 2016, 02:49:35 pm
We dont have any DOCSIS 3.1 networks in the state, do we?   Maybe this was just some forward thinking projection vaporware to let some air out of at&t's drum-banging:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/att-plans-to-launch-blazing-fast-gigabit-internet-speeds-in-oklahoma-city-and-tulsa-areas-300189211.html

Cox is deploying DOCSIS 3.1 with the new speeds.



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: carltonplace on April 19, 2016, 01:38:17 pm
Reading through this thread it's amazing how much has changed since it was first started.

Choices for cord cutters are pretty robust now, with several options that give you pretty much the same functionality as cable/satellite for a fraction of the cost.

I went from a $190 Cox bill to a $50 internet only bill
I have a Channel Master DVR that has tons of internet channels (mostly unwatchable) but gives you the same feel as the COX DVR.
HD antenna running though the existing coax with around 50 channels (mostly unwatchable)

If you need to watch Cable content:
Sling TV is $19.99 per month for around 30 channels (Disney, Cartoon Network, FoodTV, HGTV, ESPN, CNN, FreeForm etc)
Playstation Vue is $29.99 per month for 55 channels (all of the above plus MTV etc) and includes much more ON DEMAND content and the ability to record.
HBO Now $15.99 if like me you cannot live without Game Of Thrones.

Overall I am saving about $120 a month 


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: saintnicster on April 19, 2016, 02:12:20 pm
Reading through this thread it's amazing how much has changed since it was first started.

Choices for cord cutters are pretty robust now, with several options that give you pretty much the same functionality as cable/satellite for a fraction of the cost.

I went from a $190 Cox bill to a $50 internet only bill
I have a Channel Master DVR that has tons of internet channels (mostly unwatchable) but gives you the same feel as the COX DVR.
HD antenna running though the existing coax with around 50 channels (mostly unwatchable)

If you need to watch Cable content:
Sling TV is $19.99 per month for around 30 channels (Disney, Cartoon Network, FoodTV, HGTV, ESPN, CNN, FreeForm etc)
Playstation Vue is $29.99 per month for 55 channels (all of the above plus MTV etc) and includes much more ON DEMAND content and the ability to record.
HBO Now $15.99 if like me you cannot live without Game Of Thrones.

Overall I am saving about $120 a month 

Interesting, I missed that Vue had expanded into Tulsa.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on April 19, 2016, 02:16:10 pm
Interesting, I missed that Vue had expanded into Tulsa.

We switched to it from SlingTV earlier this month. Not only is the programming more varied, the service is much more stable.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on April 19, 2016, 03:24:04 pm
Ready to start considering our options.  After realizing AT&T had grossly over-stated how much up and down speed we could get, they got fired and we picked up Cox for internet and are getting really good speeds, within 4% of their claimed capability under our plan.  I streamed some content on an iPad last night just to get an idea how possible it is to leave DirecTV behind and I’m impressed.

Question for the others:

As far as a “hub” for television, I’ve seen Roku thrown out there, Apple TV, Amazon Fire.  Does it boil down to personal preference or are they all about the same?



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: davideinstein on April 19, 2016, 03:55:22 pm
Ready to start considering our options.  After realizing AT&T had grossly over-stated how much up and down speed we could get, they got fired and we picked up Cox for internet and are getting really good speeds, within 4% of their claimed capability under our plan.  I streamed some content on an iPad last night just to get an idea how possible it is to leave DirecTV behind and I’m impressed.

Question for the others:

As far as a “hub” for television, I’ve seen Roku thrown out there, Apple TV, Amazon Fire.  Does it boil down to personal preference or are they all about the same?



Roku is what we use, it's great. I think it's all pretty much the same.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Hoss on April 19, 2016, 05:27:49 pm
Ready to start considering our options.  After realizing AT&T had grossly over-stated how much up and down speed we could get, they got fired and we picked up Cox for internet and are getting really good speeds, within 4% of their claimed capability under our plan.  I streamed some content on an iPad last night just to get an idea how possible it is to leave DirecTV behind and I’m impressed.

Question for the others:

As far as a “hub” for television, I’ve seen Roku thrown out there, Apple TV, Amazon Fire.  Does it boil down to personal preference or are they all about the same?



I have a Roku 3; I like it, but I also have a Samsung Smart TV so it has a lot of stuff the Roku has.  I can watch Netflix and Amazon on it.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on April 19, 2016, 06:58:48 pm
Ready to start considering our options.  After realizing AT&T had grossly over-stated how much up and down speed we could get, they got fired and we picked up Cox for internet and are getting really good speeds, within 4% of their claimed capability under our plan.  I streamed some content on an iPad last night just to get an idea how possible it is to leave DirecTV behind and I’m impressed.

Question for the others:

As far as a “hub” for television, I’ve seen Roku thrown out there, Apple TV, Amazon Fire.  Does it boil down to personal preference or are they all about the same?



The primary thing to look for is which devices has all the content you need. For example, the Roku does not have Playstation Vue on it, so if you were to want to use that service you will need an Amazon Fire TV or a PS3 or PS4.

I have used all the streaming boxes and prefer the Amazon Fire TV. The UI is fast, easy to use and I've never had an issue with the box. It is also nice that it has Alexa built in so you can use that functionality to search content or do silly things like ask for the weather forecast just about anywhere, get it to tell you a joke, etc.... Don't get the Fire stick though, it is woefully under-powered and sluggish.

After using the various streaming boxes I rate them the following:

1. Amazon Fire TV (Smooth interface, speedy, has everything I need)
2. Roku (Nice interface, has HDCP handshaking problems on some TV's. Playstation Vue is not available and app interface for Amazon content is clunky and incomplete.)
3. Google Nexus Player or NVidia Shield (Would be #1 if Amazon and Playstation Vue were supported)
4. Apple TV (Typical Apple. It works but isn't anything special. No Amazon content or Playstation Vue)
5. Amazon Fire Stick (Same interface as Amazon Fire TV but is horribly under-powered)
6. Google Chromecast (IMO only good for streaming music)


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on April 20, 2016, 05:49:26 am
Firebox here with SlingTV here...Suck it Cox....!!!


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on April 20, 2016, 07:25:51 am
Thanks for all the replies!  We are Prime members so Amazon Fire seems to make the most sense as long as we don’t get a visit from Gary Bussey.  :o


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on April 20, 2016, 07:30:16 am
Just checked and Amazon is now offering the Fire with an H-D antenna bundle for $109.95.  Anyone have experience with the indoor HD antenna?  Seems like there would be a lot of signal loss through the walls and roof.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on April 20, 2016, 07:43:40 am
Just checked and Amazon is now offering the Fire with an H-D antenna bundle for $109.95.  Anyone have experience with the indoor HD antenna?  Seems like there would be a lot of signal loss through the walls and roof.


I have their non-amplified version, in fact I have two. One is mounted on the East wall of our garage and feeds what was previously the distribution block for our DirecTV system. This setup feeds our Tablo as well as three televisions directly. I get every channel available here, many which I do not want. The only issue I have ever had is that 23 and its subchannels can get a little flakey if there is a strong rainstorm like what happened around midnight last night.

The second antenna feeds a line that runs to our storm shelter. I have a small Sony TV I take down there on days it looks like we might need to go into the shelter. It is mounted next to the antenna feeding the distribution block and has similar performance. I say similar because the run to the shelter is longer so I had to put a distribution amplifier on it. Oddly 23 and its subchannels are rock solid with that setup, but 6 and its subchannels are flakey during storms. Every other channel comes in fine.

If you need more info on the distribution amp just let me know. It probably won't be necessary, but if it turns out you need a little boost just let me know. From my reading that type of setup works better than an amplified antenna if you are close to the transmission towers.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on April 20, 2016, 08:14:51 am
Next question, since the Fire does not record, why would you want to select a 32gb memory card add on for $11.87?  It says it has 8GB on board storage already.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on April 20, 2016, 09:22:44 am
Next question, since the Fire does not record, why would you want to select a 32gb memory card add on for $11.87?  It says it has 8GB on board storage already.

Additional app storage, games, etc... I have never added memory to any of the three Fire TV's we have.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on April 20, 2016, 09:27:19 am
1. Amazon Fire TV (Smooth interface, speedy, has everything I need)
2. Roku (Nice interface, has HDCP handshaking problems on some TV's. Playstation Vue is not available and app interface for Amazon content is clunky and incomplete.)
3. Google Nexus Player or NVidia Shield (Would be #1 if Amazon and Playstation Vue were supported)
4. Apple TV (Typical Apple. It works but isn't anything special. No Amazon content or Playstation Vue)
5. Amazon Fire Stick (Same interface as Amazon Fire TV but is horribly under-powered)
6. Google Chromecast (IMO only good for streaming music)

Been looking at the TiVo Bolt for a DirecTiVo replacement, since im already addicted to the TiVo interface.
Neat thing about it is it treats OTA and streaming content the same, as far as searchability and program guides.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/11/04/review---tivo-bolt-stream-dvr-cord-shaver/75109560/


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on April 20, 2016, 10:01:15 am
Been looking at the TiVo Bolt for a DirecTiVo replacement, since im already addicted to the TiVo interface.
Neat thing about it is it treats OTA and streaming content the same, as far as searchability and program guides.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/11/04/review---tivo-bolt-stream-dvr-cord-shaver/75109560/

Looked at that, but between the price and the lack of streaming apps it just wouldn't fit my needs.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on April 20, 2016, 10:09:21 am
One more question: what would be the most compatible DVR device or service with Amazon Fire or do they have a cloud type storage service?

I rarely will record shows and most of what is on our current DirecTV storage are classic movies we store to watch from time-to-time.  With what looks like on-demand movies from multiple sources, I’m trying to figure out if we really even need a DVR.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on April 20, 2016, 11:04:03 am
Just checked and Amazon is now offering the Fire with an H-D antenna bundle for $109.95.  Anyone have experience with the indoor HD antenna?  Seems like there would be a lot of signal loss through the walls and roof.


The antenna sucks...As do most of those type of antenna.....


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on April 20, 2016, 12:34:07 pm
The antenna sucks...As do most of those type of antenna.....

Yeah, but you have tinfoil in your attic...


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on April 20, 2016, 02:30:43 pm
One more question: what would be the most compatible DVR device or service with Amazon Fire or do they have a cloud type storage service?

I rarely will record shows and most of what is on our current DirecTV storage are classic movies we store to watch from time-to-time.  With what looks like on-demand movies from multiple sources, I’m trying to figure out if we really even need a DVR.

A DVR, IMO, it really that necessary. My wife argued with that so after some research I purchased a Tablo. The Channel Master DVR+ is also a good device with the one drawback it has being the fact it doesn't support multi-room viewing.

With the Tablo the FireTV becomes your go to device as you can access live TV and your recordings via the Tablo App on the Fire TV.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on April 20, 2016, 02:42:57 pm
A DVR, IMO, it really that necessary. My wife argued with that so after some research I purchased a Tablo. The Channel Master DVR+ is also a good device with the one drawback it has being the fact it doesn't support multi-room viewing.

With the Tablo the FireTV becomes your go to device as you can access live TV and your recordings via the Tablo App on the Fire TV.

We have three TV’s and only watch one of them for entertainment so a multi-room DVR is of little use to me.  I might stream through my iPad in the workout room or put in a DVD or there’s an online cycling “game” of sorts called Zwift I stream from my Mac through that TV.

We’ve never turned the TV on in our bedroom since we moved to our new house two years ago.  I’ve never even plugged it in. 


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on April 20, 2016, 08:52:46 pm
Yeah, but you have tinfoil in your attic...

Would you like it back...???


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on April 21, 2016, 08:44:27 am
Would you like it back...???

Serious note, would the signal improve if the crappy antenna were moved into the attic?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on April 21, 2016, 08:51:21 am
Serious note, would the signal improve if the crappy antenna were moved into the attic?

I would think so. The higher the better. I'm guessing there would be less obstructions for the signal to pass through up there as well.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: AquaMan on April 21, 2016, 09:06:41 am
I bought a top of the line RCA antenna and placed it in the attic near the glass window vent. After correct orientation it works quite well with my Smart TV's. Got rid of the ROKU receiver and the only problem is the same we had in the 1950's, rain and wind cause erratic reception. Except for the dang religious channels.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on April 21, 2016, 08:01:15 pm
Serious note, would the signal improve if the crappy antenna were moved into the attic?

The build your own work better than any of them....I know several people that have done it....


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: carltonplace on April 25, 2016, 06:59:13 am
I really like my channel master DVR, not all over the air content is immediately available on demand. Plus with the DVR you don't need a HULU account.

I tried an indoor antenna and sent it back, Breadburner is right, there are tons of DIY antenna options on Youtube and a decent antenna is not that expensive at BestBuy. Put it in the attic or on the roof. My antenna reception and picture are much clearer than with Cox cable.
As Aquaman points out a storm can cause pixilation.

As soon as HBONow is available on PS3/PS4 then I am switching from Sling to Vue.



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on April 25, 2016, 08:19:09 am
I really like my channel master DVR, not all over the air content is immediately available on demand. Plus with the DVR you don't need a HULU account.

I tried an indoor antenna and sent it back, Breadburner is right, there are tons of DIY antenna options on Youtube and a decent antenna is not that expensive at BestBuy. Put it in the attic or on the roof. My antenna reception and picture are much clearer than with Cox cable.
As Aquaman points out a storm can cause pixilation.

As soon as HBONow is available on PS3/PS4 then I am switching from Sling to Vue.



My father-in-law claims he’s getting great over the air reception in the rural area where they live near Shawnee using a regular old TV aerial on a 20’ post on his land.  He says as long as you have the digital reception box, it’s all good.  I’ve got an abandoned analog-era aerial in my attic, so that would work with a digital receiver?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: carltonplace on April 25, 2016, 08:52:55 am
My father-in-law claims he’s getting great over the air reception in the rural area where they live near Shawnee using a regular old TV aerial on a 20’ post on his land.  He says as long as you have the digital reception box, it’s all good.  I’ve got an abandoned analog-era aerial in my attic, so that would work with a digital receiver?

Yes, that old aerial will work fine. Just need to make an alteration (it probably doesn't support coaxial cable), so you need a converter from twin lead to coax.

Twin lead to coax converter is less than $1. Just google "twin lead balun"


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on April 25, 2016, 10:03:37 am
Nice!

Thanks for all the help everyone!


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: carltonplace on April 26, 2016, 01:14:07 pm
Both Vue and Sling TV have sports packages as add on and you would still be at a price point below Cable.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on April 26, 2016, 01:37:41 pm
I'm addicted to sports as well, motorsports in particular, and unfortunately I doubt Fox Sports and NBCSN will move to either of those anytime soon.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: erfalf on April 26, 2016, 02:14:45 pm
So, I have been a "cord cutter" for a few years now. Only thing I miss is the sports, which I still get a decent amount of. Free MLB game every day. Superbowl was on the CBS app. NCAA tourny on line. Fox Sports App, etc.

This is embarrassing to admit, but I have been a AT&T DSL user for years. An internet plan with the local cable company for the same cost is literally about 15x faster. BUT, it has limits on bandwith, whereas AT&T in its infinite wisdom was never able to find a way to implement this with DSL. So I have never worried about hitting the cap even when binge watching some of my favorites on Netflix. The speed of the AT&T service, while relatively slow to begin with has been extremely spoty and some times completely gone over the last month or two. It finally came to a head and my wife got so frustrated she called CableOne (no Cox in Bartlesville). My question is, have any of you cord cutters had any issues with hitting your bandwidth caps? CableOne's policy is to let it slide basically for a couple of months until they make you sign up for a higher plan.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 27, 2016, 07:24:52 am
My cox tier purports to include 350 Gig of data. If you go over it, they can send you a letter saying you went over. If you go over it again, they can send you a letter saying you went over it. If your use is extreme and excessive and repeated and you refuse to up your data package... they can suspend your service. I've never heard of that happening. Grizzle has posted Cox bills showing epic data usage.

I have Netflix and Amazon Prime and have a teenager with a YouTube habit. Many a night I have fallen asleep streaming a Ken Burns documentary and gone through ~4 hours on the civil war. Only to re-watch it the next night, and so on. Most months I use about 100 gigs. That equates to about 150 hours of video (if all I did was video).

For the vast majority of people, this isn't a real issue.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: carltonplace on April 27, 2016, 09:00:43 am
DSL - Digital Subscriber Link in most cases just uses the old 2-wire twisted copper pairs coming out of the serving wire center off of the main frame through a DSLAM (the same copper as analog voice). It's still the dominant internet technology but its bandwidth limits are much lower than what coaxial can carry.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: erfalf on April 27, 2016, 10:02:18 am
So day one on cable internet and my wife asks me the moment I get home from work (hours after internet installed) if I had messed with the TV (all of them) because the picture on all of them is so much sharper. I had no idea how much data loss was occurring with slow DSL speeds. Hense the reason for the concern over data usage. The faster it's coming in, the faster I can consume it. For comparison, I was downloading the Microsoft Office a day or two ago. I started it and left it going for a long time. Timed out. Did it last night in a matter of moments.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: charky on April 28, 2016, 03:25:28 am
Both Vue and Sling TV have sports packages as add on and you would still be at a price point below Cable.

Saw that Sling TV has new multi-stream package (still in Beta though). $20...can stream through 3 devices and includes Fox...Fox Sports Southwest and FS1. But...you lose ESPN and ESPN2.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on April 28, 2016, 08:00:28 am
The Fire box came in yesterday.  That was beyond stupid easy to set up.  Just need to get the two wire to coax converter for the aerial in my attic and I can tell DirecTV (aka AT&T) to suck it.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on April 28, 2016, 09:58:57 am
The Fire box came in yesterday.  That was beyond stupid easy to set up.  Just need to get the two wire to coax converter for the aerial in my attic and I can tell DirecTV (aka AT&T) to suck it.

"Balun", "matching transformer." Less than a buck online, but you can go to a brick-and mortar and they move the decimal point over.
(http://207.57.79.156/freetv/images/rca_balun.jpg)



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: dioscorides on November 30, 2016, 03:35:09 pm
So, this got me to finally do it ...

https://directvnow.com/ (https://directvnow.com/)

The "Go Big" package for $35/month (actually $40, since I added HBO), with a free AppleTV (for prepaying for 3 months), was too good to pass up.  I had Uverse and it was costing me $135/month.  Yes, I lose my local channels and DVR, but for $95/month in savings, I can deal with it.

Edit:
I had Showtime, with Uverse, and will probably add it as a standalone on my AppleTV, for $11 per month.  So, I will be saving $84/month, instead of $95.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Red Arrow on November 30, 2016, 06:08:42 pm
Yes, I lose my local channels and DVR, but for $95/month in savings, I can deal with it.

Get an antenna and a switch for local channels.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: dioscorides on December 01, 2016, 09:56:22 am
Get an antenna and a switch for local channels.

That is the plan.  I ordered an antenna off Amazon, yesterday.

Edit:  Currently, my plan is this, for local channels:  Antenna -> HDHomeRun box -> Router -> AppleTV (Channels App)


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on December 01, 2016, 11:33:45 am
So, this got me to finally do it ...

https://directvnow.com/ (https://directvnow.com/)

The "Go Big" package for $35/month (actually $40, since I added HBO), with a free AppleTV (for prepaying for 3 months), was too good to pass up.  I had Uverse and it was costing me $135/month.  Yes, I lose my local channels and DVR, but for $95/month in savings, I can deal with it.

Edit:
I had Showtime, with Uverse, and will probably add it as a standalone on my AppleTV, for $11 per month.  So, I will be saving $84/month, instead of $95.

It says limited time pricing.  What is the fine print saying on the “normal” price.  If DTV would have done something like that before, there’s a good chance I would not have cancelled them.  

While we are saving a good bit of money since we already had an Amazon Prime membership, we are only paying for a subscription to sling, there are limitations to streaming over the internet.  It does hang every now and then when we are streaming and I’ve still never connected to my old aerial in the attic so we can get Channel 8, 11 and a few other of the digital over the air channels.  We get 2 and 6, 6.2, & 6.3 just fine.  We aren’t exactly TV junkies so not a big deal with the minor inconveniences.

That said,

We recently purchased a B & B in NE New Mexico and CenturyLink only offers about 7 MBPS (unfortunately, this is the fastest provider if not the only one in the immediate area...yes, satellite is slower than this!) in the area, so streaming would be out.  The place currently has a satellite set up for Dish.  What are the pros and cons of Dish vs. Direct?  We’ve had DirecTV and were happy with the service, just not the ever changing/escalating rates.  I’m also not real happy they were absorbed by AT&T.  Too bad Dolfanbob went on up ahead, I could really use his insight about now.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: dioscorides on December 01, 2016, 11:55:11 am
It says limited time pricing.  What is the fine print saying on the “normal” price.

The "Go Big" package is normally $60.  I am not sure how long the $35 intro pricing is available, and I don't know that AT&T has clarified, but I have seen that if you sign up for the introductory $35 pricing, you get that price until you cancel your plan.  That doesn't sound like something that AT&T would actually do, but who knows?  I still have my unlimited data plan for my iPhone that they keep grandfathering me in on.

Here is a reddit link to a discussion about the $35 price:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DirecTVNow/comments/5fwhcv/the_35_pricing_for_the_go_big_promotion_is_a/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/DirecTVNow/comments/5fwhcv/the_35_pricing_for_the_go_big_promotion_is_a/)


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on December 23, 2016, 01:20:09 pm

The two antennas I've tried so far are:

Mohu Leaf (30mile)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EWEHEL8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Amazon Basics (35 mile)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DIFIO8E/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Im giving a couple Mohu Leaf Metros away for Christmas.  The prices vary on Amazon depending on when you visit and how you navigate to the page with the product, but they sofar bring in the channels that I want.  Im thinking ahead to tornado season when satellite and cable falter.

Combining my DirecTV bill with my Uverse bill seemed logical (now that they are one big happy mega media corporation) but I discovered at&t was now billing me rental for DirecTV equipment I have owned since 2001.  ...and I was on some sort of new contract.  I "fixed" it but watch your bill closely.

Cox cable is still not that competitive; they just keep offering "introductory" prices on everything to conceal how big the bill will really be.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Red Arrow on December 23, 2016, 03:29:37 pm
Cox cable is still not that competitive; they just keep offering "introductory" prices on everything to conceal how big the bill will really be.

I think the approx $80/month was too much for expanded basic.  Then, they claimed we would all need the magic box at each TV for additional cost because they were going "digital".  My TVs have digital receivers, they were going encrypted digital.  I voted for Antenna TV.



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on December 23, 2016, 03:33:57 pm
Happy as a Clam with SlingTV.....


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Vashta Nerada on January 01, 2017, 05:08:53 pm
Happy as a Clam with SlingTV.....


Be sure to call DirecTV and U-verse to complain that they havent raised their rates to pay for the higher cost of channels you can get free with an antenna.
http://hothardware.com/news/fox-abc-wsb-network-affiliates-outraged-attdirecttv-remove-them

Seriously, dont.  Get some rabbit ears if you cant live without Judge Judy.

Dish network as well....  Dish, which on Thursday lost the Bonneville-owned NBC affiliate in Salt Lake City due to a fee fight, last night lost two CBS affiliates, in Tulsa and Oklahoma City, due to a separate fee fight with their owner, Griffin Communications.
http://www.tvpredictions.com/fee120117.htm

Their ratings went up and they got greedy. 
Let them stew.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Hoss on January 01, 2017, 06:28:07 pm

Be sure to call DirecTV and U-verse to complain that they havent raised their rates to pay for the higher cost of channels you can get free with an antenna.
http://hothardware.com/news/fox-abc-wsb-network-affiliates-outraged-attdirecttv-remove-them

Seriously, dont.  Get some rabbit ears if you cant live without Judge Judy.

Dish network as well....  Dish, which on Thursday lost the Bonneville-owned NBC affiliate in Salt Lake City due to a fee fight, last night lost two CBS affiliates, in Tulsa and Oklahoma City, due to a separate fee fight with their owner, Griffin Communications.
http://www.tvpredictions.com/fee120117.htm

Their ratings went up and they got greedy. 
Let them stew.

What I heard is that they increased the carriage fees by 300 percent.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on April 03, 2017, 01:48:14 pm
What I heard is that they increased the carriage fees by 300 percent.

I see on my DirecTV bill from at&t that a new "Federal Cost Recovery Charge" has been added.

Welcome to The Phone Company.  >:(


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Conan71 on April 03, 2017, 05:12:33 pm
I broke down and ordered DirecTV for our personal quarters in our B & B last week.  I immediately regretted it as soon as I went through the channel guide and suddenly remembered you end up paying for 200 channels of infomercials to get 30 channels you might watch "some day" and 5 or 10 you end up getting the bulk of your programming from.  MC and I are too busy to even watch any TV except in the late evening and Albuquerque's news may be even more depressing than Tulsa's.  Streaming is a bit limited on a 7mb pipe.  Looks like I will be relying on Kindle for evening entertainment until we start having guests in late May/early June.

We will add a separate DTV account for the guest side of the B & B but I will probably end up cancelling our DTV subscription in our quarters as soon as we can.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on April 03, 2017, 07:45:45 pm
I play around with various streaming services, but still living just fine without cable/satellite.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: erfalf on April 04, 2017, 06:56:03 am
I play around with various streaming services, but still living just fine without cable/satellite.

Same.

Except now my gripes come in the form of complaints about internet connectivity. The local cartel provides blazing service (intermittent at best) but outlandishly low data caps. 100 Mbps is entry level. 300 Gig data cap. So we have stuck with AT&T, which is somewhat more consistent, but has a habit of raising prices every 6 months by about $5. So now I'm paying primo money for plain jane DSL service. I have noticed the communications carriers seem to price things to make it as inconvenient as possible to have just internet. Every "good deal" involved television. I still resist.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 04, 2017, 08:47:17 am
Gonna try some of these....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P69KuHum7wQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlShMxSCZJ0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmKjjlS2Vi0


Especially this one...he sounds like most of us (in OK) !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX_wBmLQv5k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FovEdu9BaWI




Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on April 04, 2017, 03:13:05 pm
Same.

Except now my gripes come in the form of complaints about internet connectivity. The local cartel provides blazing service (intermittent at best) but outlandishly low data caps. 100 Mbps is entry level. 300 Gig data cap. So we have stuck with AT&T, which is somewhat more consistent, but has a habit of raising prices every 6 months by about $5. So now I'm paying primo money for plain jane DSL service. I have noticed the communications carriers seem to price things to make it as inconvenient as possible to have just internet. Every "good deal" involved television. I still resist.

who is doing data caps?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 04, 2017, 04:36:28 pm
who is doing data caps?

I thought most providers do data caps, at least in theory:

http://www.cox.com/residential/support/internet/article.cox?articleId=%7B2fd6ccb0-b13a-11df-4be3-000000000000%7D


Per AT&T:
https://www.att.com/esupport/article.html#!/u-verse-high-speed-internet/KM1010099
http://time.com/money/4353512/att-home-internet-data-caps/
https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/29/atandt-is-raising-data-caps-to-1tb-for-u-verse-subscribers-only/


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on April 04, 2017, 08:29:27 pm
I thought most providers do data caps, at least in theory:

http://www.cox.com/residential/support/internet/article.cox?articleId=%7B2fd6ccb0-b13a-11df-4be3-000000000000%7D


Per AT&T:
https://www.att.com/esupport/article.html#!/u-verse-high-speed-internet/KM1010099
http://time.com/money/4353512/att-home-internet-data-caps/
https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/29/atandt-is-raising-data-caps-to-1tb-for-u-verse-subscribers-only/

I believe Cox has said their caps are more advise than limit.

Also, 1TB is pretty dang high. that is like streaming 30 movies a day.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Hoss on April 04, 2017, 10:15:49 pm
I believe Cox has said their caps are more advise than limit.

Also, 1TB is pretty dang high. that is like streaming 30 movies a day.

In some areas for Cox, that is true, however they are starting to adopt the cap and overage model.  All of their plans now currently (except for the very lowest) have a cap of 1TB.  The difference being that Cox is miles faster than any offering AT&T can provide at both company's highest tiers.

The most I've ever used in a month is about 200gb (that would be about 20 percent of the cap) and that was during a month I binge watched two series on Netflix.  I use Netflix a little.  I have my own media server at the house however, which I have copied many of my own blu-rays to (mainly because I HATE waiting through trailers and the BD live stuff and navigating menus) and am using a program called Kodi (or SPMC) using an Nvidia Shield TV.  This little rig may make me cut the cord for good.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: TeeDub on April 05, 2017, 06:35:41 am

One more step closer.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amazon-nfl-sign-50-million-streaming-deal-for-thursday-games-2017-04-04


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on April 05, 2017, 06:59:13 am
SlingTV just gets better and better....


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Noodlez on April 05, 2017, 11:50:38 am
Cox added a new fee to my bill this month. Regional Sports Surcharge. I haven't added or changed anything. I feel the end for me is coming as well.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: erfalf on April 05, 2017, 12:48:01 pm
SlingTV just gets better and better....

Has anyone tried Playstation Vue?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on April 05, 2017, 05:06:59 pm
Cox added a new fee to my bill this month. Regional Sports Surcharge. I haven't added or changed anything. I feel the end for me is coming as well.

The sooner the better....


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: sgrizzle on April 05, 2017, 09:34:17 pm
Has anyone tried Playstation Vue?

I've tried Playstation Vue and Directv Now. Other than streaming issues, Playstation Vue worked pretty well. Their DVR ability and streaming service integration worked fairly well. I'm testing DirectvNow.. now and like it less.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Ibanez on April 06, 2017, 02:14:02 pm
Has anyone tried Playstation Vue?

I have been using it since it came out. Previously I used SlingTV and while it was ok, there were always buffering issues with more popular shows. For example a season premier or highly watched sporting event. It was very annoying and from what I have read continues to happen to this day. When Playstation Vue became available I signed up for a trial of it and used it along with SlingTV for a few months. Never had an issue with Vue buffering or "wonking out" as my wife calls it during a show/sporting event so we cancelled SlingTV and have been with Playstation Vue ever since.



Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Breadburner on April 06, 2017, 06:59:24 pm
No buffering here....


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Nik on January 16, 2018, 08:42:25 pm
Is anybody using AT&T former UVerse internet plans? The "Internet 10" is the only thing available at my house and that sounds like a huge step down from my current 300 Mbps plan on Cox. Just curious if anyone can vouch for these lower tier AT&T speeds and how they hold up to streaming.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: rebound on January 17, 2018, 01:25:16 pm
Is anybody using AT&T former UVerse internet plans? The "Internet 10" is the only thing available at my house and that sounds like a huge step down from my current 300 Mbps plan on Cox. Just curious if anyone can vouch for these lower tier AT&T speeds and how they hold up to streaming.

I have UVerse 24.  I generally get close to that on a wired connection. Just checked, and I'm getting about 23 right now.  I have had trouble in the past with the router, and was getting very slow (sub 10) wireless speeds, and that was definitely affecting the streaming and general browsing.  (My TVs are wired, as is my Son's xbox, everything else is wireless.)   I did some fiddling with the router and have alleviated most of that, and now get generally in the high teens (16-18 ish...) on wireless, which seems fine.  If your max is going to be ten, you can expect a little less than that as a general rule, and depending upon how much you stream, etc, I could see it being an issue.





Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on March 15, 2018, 10:10:10 am
Appears to be a legit email from DirecTV:

Your DIRECTV® equipment needs to be replaced*, but we have you covered.
*EQUIPMENT NON-RETURN & ADD'L FEES, CONDITIONS & RESTRICTIONS APPLY. For eligible customers only. See details below.

Starting on 3/20/19, you will no longer be able to view your local channels with your current equipment. But don't worry, we've got you covered! All you need to do is call us to schedule your free installation for your new equipment. Your new equipment will provide you with HD service at no additional cost.*



The fine print after the asterisk says the equipment is "free" after rebates, and I must also pay rent on equipment going forward at $7 a piece.
Being a DirecTV early adopter in the '90's doesnt have much currency with new owners at&t, so that sounds like my cue to jump ship.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: TeeDub on March 15, 2018, 02:36:48 pm

I have several people I know who dropped the directTV dish and just took the directtv now (streaming.)   They all like it, but are annoyed by the constant calls wanting to know why they dropped their service.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Hoss on March 15, 2018, 06:00:59 pm
I have several people I know who dropped the directTV dish and just took the directtv now (streaming.)   They all like it, but are annoyed by the constant calls wanting to know why they dropped their service.

I don't know if the email is legit; I haven't gotten one of these.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on March 15, 2018, 07:18:22 pm
I don't know if the email is legit; I haven't gotten one of these.

Iffy.  The TiVo im using I bought a couple weeks before 9/11.  How many other appliances last that long?


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Hoss on March 15, 2018, 07:32:18 pm
Iffy.  The TiVo im using I bought a couple weeks before 9/11.  How many other appliances last that long?

Ah.  OK.  I'm just using their stock equipment.  And on the entry contract (2 years).


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: swake on March 15, 2018, 08:41:30 pm
Iffy.  The TiVo im using I bought a couple weeks before 9/11.  How many other appliances last that long?

Jesus, really?

Send me a PM and I just might be able to help with that.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 16, 2018, 11:47:46 am
Iffy.  The TiVo im using I bought a couple weeks before 9/11.  How many other appliances last that long?


My home air conditioner.  Lasted from 1976 (new house install) until 2015.  Furnace still going strong...


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: Hoss on March 16, 2018, 01:14:20 pm

My home air conditioner.  Lasted from 1976 (new house install) until 2015.  Furnace still going strong...

Not saying anything about my A/C for fear of jinxing.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: patric on March 17, 2018, 01:43:40 pm
I don't know if the email is legit; I haven't gotten one of these.

A confirmation of sorts... DirecTV is phasing out Standard Definition, so the loss of local channels is collateral damage.

If I were just going to loose the locals I wouldnt care thanks to a newfangled thing called an antenna (and if you live in Tornado Alley you should really have an antenna)  but at&t is just going to let the old satellites fall out of the sky (looking at you, China) and go all HD and 4K, etc.


Title: Re: Cord Cutting in Tulsa
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 19, 2018, 08:14:45 am
Not saying anything about my A/C for fear of jinxing.


Sold the grandparents home about 2008-2009 or so.... still had the original Sears A/C system working from when the house was built in 1957 (21st and Memorial area - just before Hale High opened).  Couple years later, I drove by and noticed there was new unit installed.  I really was hoping for mine to match the performance of that machine, but sadly, it was not meant to be!   Points to the slow, inexorable, degradation and slide of American manufacturing over the years!