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Title: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: Conan71 on February 11, 2015, 10:26:41 am
For those of you who have not had a chance to explore Turkey Mountain, here’s a chance for a free guided walk:

The Tulsa Urban Wilderness Coalition is hosting a "Get to Know Turkey Mountain" guided walk Feb 21. This will be a gentle walk geared toward familiarizing new Trail Users with Turkey Mountain. This event is free and open to all ages! All we ask is that you please register for the event so we have adequate volunteers for our visitors. SPACE IS LIMITED.

http://www.eventbrite.com/e/get-to-know-turkey-mountain-tickets-15625535397


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: RecycleMichael on February 11, 2015, 11:37:26 am
Will there be snacks?


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: Townsend on February 11, 2015, 12:26:22 pm
Can we name rocks and trees?


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: guido911 on February 11, 2015, 04:00:19 pm
I am already in a relationship with another mountain...


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: Conan71 on February 11, 2015, 04:12:21 pm
I am already in a relationship with another mountain...

I won’t tell if you won’t.


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: Conan71 on February 11, 2015, 04:12:53 pm
Can we name rocks and trees?

“yonder” seems to be a common name around there.


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: Gaspar on February 11, 2015, 04:55:51 pm
While y'all are up there, see if you can find some North American Burying Beetles.  Might be helpful ;-).  They are there, and you only need to find one.

(http://museum.unl.edu/research/entomology/graphics/beetle1.gif)


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: Breadburner on February 11, 2015, 06:19:23 pm
Get some whole chickens and put them out and the beetles will come.....


Title: Re:
Post by: Gaspar on February 12, 2015, 11:53:30 am
Document one and no development.  Hurry before they do the old midnight triacide trick.


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: Conan71 on February 12, 2015, 03:05:37 pm
I understand USFW is interested as to whether or not there is ABB present in the area but they won’t hold up private development for a study.  Apparently they only do that for politically expedient things like Keystone XL.


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: guido911 on February 12, 2015, 10:11:44 pm
I understand USFW is interested as to whether or not there is ABB present in the area but they won’t hold up private development for a study.  Apparently they only do that for politically expedient things like Keystone XL.

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lonflpXVo41qzvyhvo1_500.gif)

Please don't go full enviro retard.


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: Breadburner on February 13, 2015, 06:47:35 am
I understand USFW is interested as to whether or not there is ABB present in the area but they won’t hold up private development for a study.  Apparently they only do that for politically expedient things like Keystone XL.

And other smaller local pipeline projects.....If you are interested...There is a local environmental firm you care hire to verify and  document the existence of said beetle.,....


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 13, 2015, 09:20:53 am


Please don't go full enviro retard.


Yeah...sure wouldn't wanna impede "progress" or do anything stupid like protect the environment.... but 35 new fulltime jobs has gotta be worth the risks...in Republicontin world...

It was only 42,000 gallons...

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/oil-pipeline-break-is-under-yellowstone-river/article_275d1023-df4a-59e9-ad07-65ab7d302859.html

It was only 3 million gallons...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/21/north-dakota-pipeline-spill_n_6520146.html

It was only millions of gallons over the last 15 years....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century#2015



Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: guido911 on February 13, 2015, 08:09:56 pm

Yeah...sure wouldn't wanna impede "progress" or do anything stupid like protect the environment.... but 35 new fulltime jobs has gotta be worth the risks...in Republicontin world...

It was only 42,000 gallons...

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/oil-pipeline-break-is-under-yellowstone-river/article_275d1023-df4a-59e9-ad07-65ab7d302859.html

It was only 3 million gallons...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/21/north-dakota-pipeline-spill_n_6520146.html

It was only millions of gallons over the last 15 years....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century#2015



I was talking about the American Burying Beetle. But please go on.


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 15, 2015, 07:14:41 pm
I was talking about the American Burying Beetle. But please go on.


Yes, you were...part of the entire environmental topic.

Sad that so many can't catch that one....

I'm surprised someone hasn't proposed just leveling the mountain for another refinery, since all that oil will be coming to Oklahoma...



Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: Conan71 on February 15, 2015, 10:38:30 pm

Yes, you were...part of the entire environmental topic.

Sad that so many can't catch that one....

I'm surprised someone hasn't proposed just leveling the mountain for another refinery, since all that oil will be coming to Oklahoma...



There’s already oil oozing out in places around there ;)


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 16, 2015, 11:04:53 am
There’s already oil oozing out in places around there ;)



Wouldn't surprise me.  Haven't noticed any shale there - seems like what I can see is mostly sandstone, but certainly wouldn't be unique.

Out east by the casino at I-44 there was a layer of shale visible from the highway - both sides.  The south side of the road often had "oozing" from the layers before the rebuild.  Lots of crude oil around here.



Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: Conan71 on February 16, 2015, 12:23:18 pm

Wouldn't surprise me.  Haven't noticed any shale there - seems like what I can see is mostly sandstone, but certainly wouldn't be unique.

Out east by the casino at I-44 there was a layer of shale visible from the highway - both sides.  The south side of the road often had "oozing" from the layers before the rebuild.  Lots of crude oil around here.



According to the document I read, 241 wells punched in the Mooser Creek Watershed area.

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q55/71conan/Screen%20Shot%202015-02-16%20at%2012.20.25%20PM_zps0ryp4a3h.png)

Here’s the rock formations of the area from the Arkansas River west:

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q55/71conan/Screen%20Shot%202015-02-16%20at%2012.19.08%20PM_zpsejzrt9pr.png)


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 16, 2015, 01:52:45 pm
There ya go....lots of oil there.  That's just a little bit north of the Glen pool....and there was a lot of oil all along that corridor.  Probably still is - we should get them to start fracking...!

Lots of shale!!  Got to be some oil oozing out of the ground somewhere on the mountain.


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: Conan71 on February 16, 2015, 03:26:00 pm
There ya go....lots of oil there.  That's just a little bit north of the Glen pool....and there was a lot of oil all along that corridor.  Probably still is - we should get them to start fracking...!

Lots of shale!!  Got to be some oil oozing out of the ground somewhere on the mountain.


Some of the more fascinating relics on TM are the old drilling sites.  No telling how much stuff is scattered out in Jenks and Glenpool.  There was also quite a bit of exploration in Red Fork around the same time.


Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 16, 2015, 05:34:59 pm
Some of the more fascinating relics on TM are the old drilling sites.  No telling how much stuff is scattered out in Jenks and Glenpool.  There was also quite a bit of exploration in Red Fork around the same time.


Thousands of wells.  I see old pictures from time to time of old wooden derrick fields and while not sure where most of them are, this link shows the Ida E Glenn well and field.

http://www.glennpooloilfield.org/history/

There is an old well in the riverbed (Arkansas) south of I-44.  Got some good pictures of it one time during low water.  If I knew how to post pics, I would put them up here.  There are some spools of cable, an old engine of some sort, casing broken over with some production tubing inside, and what looks like some kind of tank thing - maybe a separator - "bolted" together with large rivets.  Looks ancient, but can't be more than about 100 years old.

Lived about 4 blocks from Rogers high school for a few years and there was always rumors about oil wells under the area.  I am pretty sure there was some coal mining near there, 'cause one of the neighbors said he had done some strip mining there in the teens.  He moved back in the area after the war when the neighborhood was being built (late 30's to late 40's except WWII).

Seems like I heard rumors about wells on the old Mayo Farm, but that may be somewhere else - don't think there was a whole lot there... (Mayo Meadows...south of 21st, west of Yale.  Across from fairground.)






Title: Re: Get To Know Turkey Mountain
Post by: Conan71 on February 16, 2015, 09:14:58 pm

Thousands of wells.  I see old pictures from time to time of old wooden derrick fields and while not sure where most of them are, this link shows the Ida E Glenn well and field.

http://www.glennpooloilfield.org/history/

There is an old well in the riverbed (Arkansas) south of I-44.  Got some good pictures of it one time during low water.  If I knew how to post pics, I would put them up here.  There are some spools of cable, an old engine of some sort, casing broken over with some production tubing inside, and what looks like some kind of tank thing - maybe a separator - "bolted" together with large rivets.  Looks ancient, but can't be more than about 100 years old.

Lived about 4 blocks from Rogers high school for a few years and there was always rumors about oil wells under the area.  I am pretty sure there was some coal mining near there, 'cause one of the neighbors said he had done some strip mining there in the teens.  He moved back in the area after the war when the neighborhood was being built (late 30's to late 40's except WWII).

Seems like I heard rumors about wells on the old Mayo Farm, but that may be somewhere else - don't think there was a whole lot there... (Mayo Meadows...south of 21st, west of Yale.  Across from fairground.



There was a good deal of coal mining in and around Mayo Meadow.  I’d heard as far west as Pittsburg, as far east as Darlington or Fulton,  and as far north as 15th but I don’t recall now.  There was some fear of sinkholes about 20 or 25 years ago from old mining activity.