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Title: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: DolfanBob on January 23, 2015, 09:05:11 am
Ride Sally Ride!  :o
Who elected this woman? These two bills are embarrassing. How can she really think that the State will actually pass them? But of course she won't be available for comment until Monday.
I think her next order of business is where black people should sit on a bus. SMH.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/state-rep-sally-kern-files-three-bills-targeting-gays/article_37ebe9f3-d3d0-5fcf-a98a-fbcc05184f50.html


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: swake on January 23, 2015, 09:17:51 am
Ride Sally Ride!  :o
Who elected this woman? These two bills are embarrassing. How can she really think that the State will actually pass them? But of course she won't be available for comment until Monday.
I think her next order of business is where black people should sit on a bus. SMH.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/state-rep-sally-kern-files-three-bills-targeting-gays/article_37ebe9f3-d3d0-5fcf-a98a-fbcc05184f50.html

Oklahoma City did.

Sometimes term limits are good.


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: Conan71 on January 23, 2015, 10:11:51 am
Oklahoma City did.

Sometimes term limits are good.

When does this troglodyte finally limit out?



Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: guido911 on January 27, 2015, 02:41:22 am
Freedom Oklahoma.


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 27, 2015, 11:14:35 am
Oklahoma City did.

Sometimes term limits are good.


Term limits are never good!  It takes away the right to vote.

An educated electorate would be good.... would solve the problems that attempt to be addressed by term limits.  Shame we cut $200+ million from educating that electorate....

Goes to the whole attempt to make things idiot proof - they just keep making better idiots... 




Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: cannon_fodder on January 27, 2015, 05:35:52 pm
Can you imagine spending that much time worrying about 1) who other people are sexually attracted to, and 2) how to mess with them?

It blows my mind.

Not to mention the stupidity of passing blatantly unconstitutional laws that will solidify Oklahoma's (I like to think perceived) reputation as backwards, hurt commerce, and tell a segment of the population they aren't welcome. BRILLIANT!  As an aside (and to apply some blatant stereotypes) the segment of the population we are trying to run off is known for being creative, educated, low criminality, and for having disposable income.  Portland, Minneapolis, Kansas City, etc. are happy to take our educated, affluent, law abiding citizens and their tax dollars no matter who they love...

::sigh::


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 27, 2015, 07:03:40 pm
Can you imagine spending that much time worrying about 1) who other people are sexually attracted to, and 2) how to mess with them?

It blows my mind.

Not to mention the stupidity of passing blatantly unconstitutional laws that will solidify Oklahoma's (I like to think perceived) reputation as backwards, hurt commerce, and tell a segment of the population they aren't welcome. BRILLIANT!  As an aside (and to apply some blatant stereotypes) the segment of the population we are trying to run off is known for being creative, educated, low criminality, and for having disposable income.  Portland, Minneapolis, Kansas City, etc. are happy to take our educated, affluent, law abiding citizens and their tax dollars no matter who they love...

::sigh::


Perception IS reality.

To endorse your stereotype - absolutely!!  I have some very good friends that we (Okrahoma) lost just for this reason!  BIG loss to the state.





Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: Conan71 on January 28, 2015, 09:56:13 am

Perception IS reality.

To endorse your stereotype - absolutely!!  I have some very good friends that we (Okrahoma) lost just for this reason!  BIG loss to the state.



A lesbian couple my wife and I are friends with took their three kids and moved to St. Louis largely due to these issues.  They were the couple who changed my opinion on the issue when one of them explained the sticky issues of right of survivorship and that under then current laws (without spending a ton of money for legal documents) if one of them died, that custody of their children would not automatically go to the other parent.  One of them gave birth to a boy, the other to twin girls, so that was a legitimate concern for both of them.

Ironically, gay marriage was not legalized in Missouri before it was in Oklahoma.  Whoulda thunk it?

They got married the day it was legalized in Mo.


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 28, 2015, 11:05:07 am
A lesbian couple my wife and I are friends with took their three kids and moved to St. Louis largely due to these issues.  They were the couple who changed my opinion on the issue when one of them explained the sticky issues of right of survivorship and that under then current laws (without spending a ton of money for legal documents) if one of them died, that custody of their children would not automatically go to the other parent.  One of them gave birth to a boy, the other to twin girls, so that was a legitimate concern for both of them.

Ironically, gay marriage was not legalized in Missouri before it was in Oklahoma.  Whoulda thunk it?

They got married the day it was legalized in Mo.


My friends moved out of the country, so not only did OK lose benefit of their contributions, so did the US.  The total number of people involved including kids is about 10, so when looking at the total contribution lost, it is going to be big over the next few decades.  These are professional people with salaries typically well into the top 2% of US salaries.  STEM professionals.  Artists.  Plus their contribution to the culture, society, and environment of the area they are located.  I know I miss them quite a bit, and the state has lost a lot whether most of it can understand that or not....

And from Sally Kern and her ilk's low sloping brow, mouth-breathing past - and I definitely mean ilk in it's most ilk-ish form - they don't have a clue.



Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: DolfanBob on January 28, 2015, 01:58:06 pm
She's not a Bigot or a Hater(sic)
"Lay down Sally" at it again. I'm sorry but being born into a Religion can be changed Ms Kern. I will give her one outta three though. You can't change your ethnicity. Well.......unless your Michael jackson.  ::)

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/state-rep-sally-kern-says-anti-gay-bills-are-an/article_321f4535-c107-5b13-9346-5b3feb14182e.html

Turning marriage licence's to Ordained Ministers and not the Court clerk really shouldn't matter much. There are plenty of Ministers who would have no problem marrying anyone. Granted their schedules may get quite busy but I'm sure they wouldn't mind.
Heck I could probably get me a Ordained Minister licence online very cheap and easy.
Pastor DolfanBob from the Church of the Dolphins. (Miami sect)


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 28, 2015, 02:02:58 pm
She's not a Bigot or a Hater(sic)
"Lay down Sally" at it again. I'm sorry but being born into a Religion can be changed Ms Kern. I will give her one outta three though. You can't change your ethnicity. Well.......unless your Michael jackson.  ::)

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/state-rep-sally-kern-says-anti-gay-bills-are-an/article_321f4535-c107-5b13-9346-5b3feb14182e.html

Turning marriage licence's to Ordained Ministers and not the Court clerk really shouldn't matter much. There are plenty of Ministers who would have no problem marrying anyone. Granted their schedules may get quite busy but I'm sure they wouldn't mind.
Heck I could probably get me a Ordained Minister licence online very cheap and easy.
Pastor DolfanBob from the Church of the Dolphins. (Miami sect)


Guess I would have to go Pastafarian right now....  or Catholic.



Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: DolfanBob on January 28, 2015, 04:01:44 pm
Gubna! Should an Oklahoma business be able to discriminate or not offer service to a gay person?
I have a policy of.......

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/gov-mary-fallin-sidesteps-question-on-discrimination-against-gays/article_9c486ca7-c402-5a66-9de8-2c0c874cabce.html


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 28, 2015, 04:50:22 pm
Gubna! Should an Oklahoma business be able to discriminate or not offer service to a gay person?
I have a policy of.......

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/gov-mary-fallin-sidesteps-question-on-discrimination-against-gays/article_9c486ca7-c402-5a66-9de8-2c0c874cabce.html

But she did say that she has gay friends she likes to go out to eat with. Also good job TW on explaining what LBGT means.


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: DolfanBob on January 30, 2015, 09:17:02 am
Well it looks like her plan to sneak this through the "Sally Port" didn't go as planned. The waving of the white flag has begun.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage2/state-rep-sally-kern-withdraws-bill-that-would-have-let/article_52a03a7e-4a1e-50ad-bf78-ec96a48e503a.html


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: Townsend on January 30, 2015, 12:12:37 pm
Anti-Gay Legislation Could Hurt State's Economy in the Long Run

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/anti-gay-legislation-could-hurt-states-economy-long-run (http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/anti-gay-legislation-could-hurt-states-economy-long-run)

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A flurry of anti-gay legislation could damage Oklahoma's chances of attracting top companies to the state.

Oklahoma College of Business Dean Mickey Hepner said large companies employ diverse work forces and have an eye on social policies when they consider opening up shop in a state.

"And they want to make sure they're going to be in places that are open and honest and caring and compassionate to all of them," Hepner said "Perhaps the golden rule that we should follow as we think about the policies that we're going to enact is let's always keep in mind how we make others feel, and let's try not to make ourselves look bad.

"Because it really doesn't help us in attracting jobs and, frankly, creating the high quality of life that our current citizens and our future citizens need to have."

Hepner was participating in a panel discussion about the state's economy during the Oklahoma Policy Institute's budget summit in Oklahoma City.

Workforce Tulsa Director Shelley Cadamy was on the same panel. She said the best companies understand diversity helps their bottom lines by having more points of view at the table.

"We have to acknowledge that we need to be a welcoming state if we want our companies to be healthy and to create wealth in Oklahoma," Cadamy said.

Several state legislators have filed bills for the 2015 session targeting LGBT Oklahomans.

It's as if the state can't help raise its sites above its foot.


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: Townsend on February 12, 2015, 12:23:16 pm
Oklahoma House OKs Bill for Ministers to Refuse Gay Marriage

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/oklahoma-house-oks-bill-ministers-refuse-gay-marriage (http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/oklahoma-house-oks-bill-ministers-refuse-gay-marriage)

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OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — The Oklahoma House has approved legislation that grants immunity from civil liability to ministers who refuse to officiate a same-sex marriage.

House members voted 88-7 Thursday for the bill by Republican Rep. David Brumbaugh. The measure now goes to the state Senate.

The bill grants licensed ministers in the state immunity from any civil claim based on their refusal to recognize a marriage that violates the minister's "conscience or religious beliefs."

The measure is one of several that have been targeted by gay rights groups as discriminatory against the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

Brumbaugh says pastors in his district requested the bill after a federal court last year struck down Oklahoma's ban on same-sex marriage in the state.


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: DolfanBob on February 12, 2015, 02:08:58 pm
So now after they get the marriage license out of the Court Clerks hands. All will be well in SallyWorld.


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: Conan71 on February 12, 2015, 03:10:27 pm
I wasn’t aware that the clergy could not presently decline to perform gay marriages.  State-sanctioned gay marriage does not force any faith to perform the ceremonies nor to recognize it within their fold, FAIK.

Aside from that doesn’t passing laws absolving clergy from liability claims violate separation of church and state?


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: Hoss on February 17, 2015, 06:25:25 pm
Kern just can't let it go, can she?

http://www.news9.com/story/28132173/anti-gay-marriage-bill-targets-court-clerks-with-job-loss

Fire the clerk for doing what the Supreme Court has upheld to be lawful?  This lady...


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: swake on February 17, 2015, 06:43:17 pm
Kern just can't let it go, can she?

http://www.news9.com/story/28132173/anti-gay-marriage-bill-targets-court-clerks-with-job-loss

Fire the clerk for doing what the Supreme Court has upheld to be lawful?  This lady...

The state government has lost it's collective mind.

It's not just that Kern proposed the bill. IT PASSED.


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: guido911 on February 17, 2015, 07:53:52 pm
I wonder if this committee has a legal opinion on this yet. Has me thinking since I am sure this sort of thing has been attempted before. Wish I had the time to research it.


Title: Re: House Bill 1598,1599
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 17, 2015, 08:05:57 pm
Yeah...well, it's the idiots who keep electing these clowns....