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Title: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 02, 2014, 08:43:57 pm
Separated at birth?   ;D

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-1/p160x160/10628201_263819953813742_6653515124208922452_n.jpg?oh=e3ba4e114f24570e52c3925e4f2e4ed7&oe=547E7AA2&__gda__=1416257703_ff307243c431d13b572272e8f072b89f)(https://static.squarespace.com/static/5007b2ea84aef6ab9cd08134/52de0024e4b0702987187d0a/52de002fe4b07029871909bb/1285482385863/1000w/okc.png)


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Conan71 on September 02, 2014, 08:45:10 pm
Separated at birth?   ;D

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-1/p160x160/10628201_263819953813742_6653515124208922452_n.jpg?oh=e3ba4e114f24570e52c3925e4f2e4ed7&oe=547E7AA2&__gda__=1416257703_ff307243c431d13b572272e8f072b89f)(https://static.squarespace.com/static/5007b2ea84aef6ab9cd08134/52de0024e4b0702987187d0a/52de002fe4b07029871909bb/1285482385863/1000w/okc.png)

Saved quite a bit on the graphics bill, didn’t they?


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: sgrizzle on September 02, 2014, 08:51:47 pm
Funny Clowns?

Fumigating Crabs?

Fundamentalist Caterers?



Sorry, I don't sports.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 02, 2014, 09:12:03 pm
Houston Oilers logo
http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/list_by_team/186/Houston_Oilers/

Using an oil well...That seems to be common on team names related to the oil industry. 



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on September 02, 2014, 09:18:10 pm
(http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/52/1413/full/xmzc8ft4hs4u0rvf1sfg7neu6.gif)

Hmm..seem to see an oil derrick in there also.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 02, 2014, 09:21:21 pm
http://www.tulsaathletics.com/

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1LDJZ_enUS514US514&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=british%20embassy%20logo


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 02, 2014, 09:44:23 pm
Hmm..seem to see an oil derrick in there also.

But that old Tulsa Roughnecks logo doesn't look like the Barons logo at all, does it?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p403x403/10559654_555584784570043_4932677745737534004_n.jpg?oh=57040829c8689f5645513f13a613db2f&oe=5471C250&__gda__=1416022286_a6d1f1adbb8b345d590967e9e91cccaa)(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s261x260/10624947_10153154903173709_701877259325960375_n.jpg?oh=baf6c02daa1382bdf80b7e71a780d872&oe=5472F6A5)


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on September 02, 2014, 09:50:52 pm
But that old Tulsa Roughnecks logo doesn't look like the Barons logo at all, does it?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p403x403/10559654_555584784570043_4932677745737534004_n.jpg?oh=57040829c8689f5645513f13a613db2f&oe=5471C250&__gda__=1416022286_a6d1f1adbb8b345d590967e9e91cccaa)(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s261x260/10624947_10153154903173709_701877259325960375_n.jpg?oh=baf6c02daa1382bdf80b7e71a780d872&oe=5472F6A5)

The owner pretty much admitted they were using the Thunder colors.  It's kind of difficult to not see the resemblance in one of the most basic oil structures if you're using it as a logo.

Your ulterior motive is showing.

Myself, I don't care either way.  I've been to an Athletics game and I'll likely go to a Roughnecks game also.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 03, 2014, 05:40:41 am
rufnex needs a reason to hate the other soccer team.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 03, 2014, 06:38:20 am
No, Michael.

Three words for you:  
Conflict.  Of.  Interest.

That is all.

Question:  Who are these guys?

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Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DowntownDan on September 03, 2014, 07:16:20 am
When are the Athletics moving to the NASL?  I like games at the old park.  The field can be bigger because it doesn't have to accommodate baseball.  But the new team will be playing better teams in better markets.  No way does a Tulsa team need to be in a league that includes Joplin Missouri.  (I have similar views about the Drillers playing suburbs in Texas and not real cities like in AAA).


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: rdj on September 03, 2014, 07:19:24 am
That is ridiculous for the logos to be that similar.  Terrible to use Thunder colors.  I've never been to a soccer match outside of U10 for my children.  So, no bone to pick.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DolfanBob on September 03, 2014, 07:36:17 am
(http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/52/1413/full/xmzc8ft4hs4u0rvf1sfg7neu6.gif)

Hmm..seem to see an oil derrick in there also.

Best Tulsa Sports Team Logo Ever!


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Conan71 on September 03, 2014, 07:59:13 am
Best Tulsa Sports Team Logo Ever!

Back when logos were hand-rendered rather than created by someone on a computer with no real artistic skill.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 03, 2014, 08:44:08 am
That is ridiculous for the logos to be that similar.  Terrible to use Thunder colors. 

The University of Tulsa, Oral Roberts University, Tulsa Drillers, and the Tulsa Oilers hockey team all use the same shade of the color blue. The Tulsa 66er's used the same blue and orange used by the Roughnecks and the OKC Thunder.

If you are upset with teams using the same colors, you are probably going to stay upset.

In Pittsburgh, all the sports teams, Pirates, Steelers, Penguins, use the same two colors. It makes it easier for fans to color-coordinate.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DowntownDan on September 03, 2014, 09:56:25 am
I like the logo.  Who cares if it resembles the hockey team from OKC?  Both are oil themed.  The Roughnecks one looks better than the OKC one for sure anyway.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: rdj on September 03, 2014, 12:24:34 pm
The University of Tulsa, Oral Roberts University, Tulsa Drillers, and the Tulsa Oilers hockey team all use the same shade of the color blue. The Tulsa 66er's used the same blue and orange used by the Roughnecks and the OKC Thunder.

If you are upset with teams using the same colors, you are probably going to stay upset.

In Pittsburgh, all the sports teams, Pirates, Steelers, Penguins, use the same two colors. It makes it easier for fans to color-coordinate.

Do you struggle with shades of color?  ORU uses navy blue, Pantone 282.  TU uses royal blue, Pantone 288.  Drillers use Slate Blue, Pantone 653C.  Oilers don't publish their Pantone, but it is a navy blue so I'll give you that it is similar to ORU.  But to see TU athletics and ORU athletics side by side will show their colors are not the same shade of blue.

Tulsa 66'ers were navy, blue, red & yellow.  No orange.

I don't like the Tulsa soccer team funded by OKC folks to have a similar brand identity to OKC area teams.  To make the crest so obviously similar to the Barons and then select a very similar color scheme to the Thunder is insulting to me as a Tulsa sports fan.

I will say I'm a big fan of the OKC Energy Football Club's crest:

(http://www.mlssoccer.com/sites/league/files/imagecache/620x350/image_nodes/2013/11/OKC%20Energy%20FC.png)


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DowntownDan on September 03, 2014, 12:44:12 pm
Was there any reason that Tulsa folks couldn't come up with the funds to buy a USL Pro franchise or to get an NASL team?  One of the biggest complaints I have about living in Tulsa is there seems to be very little motivation to improve our sports franchises.  Baseball seems content being in AA with a bunch of Texas suburbs, Springfield Missouri, and Rogers Arkansas instead of AAA, which is in pretty much every major market without MLB.  The hockey team is barely promoted and also is in the equivalent of AA with Texas suburbs and other small markets.  We lost arena football and D-league basketball.  All we have to hang our hat on is the WNBA which has no guarantee of long term success or sustainability.  It's as if no one wants us to move up and its annoying.  I wish I had the money to make things happen around here sportswise. 


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Conan71 on September 03, 2014, 12:59:13 pm
Was there any reason that Tulsa folks couldn't come up with the funds to buy a USL Pro franchise or to get an NASL team?  One of the biggest complaints I have about living in Tulsa is there seems to be very little motivation to improve our sports franchises.  Baseball seems content being in AA with a bunch of Texas suburbs, Springfield Missouri, and Rogers Arkansas instead of AAA, which is in pretty much every major market without MLB.  The hockey team is barely promoted and also is in the equivalent of AA with Texas suburbs and other small markets.  We lost arena football and D-league basketball.  All we have to hang our hat on is the WNBA which has no guarantee of long term success or sustainability.  It's as if no one wants us to move up and its annoying.  I wish I had the money to make things happen around here sportswise. 

I believe the Tulsa Oilers baseball team was AAA.  Why we never regained that status is beyond me. 

For being an AA team, Tulsa has been a waypoint for some MLB players who have had solid careers: Sammy Sosa, Dean Palmer, Bobby Witt, Ivan Rodriguez, Matt Holliday, Jason Giambi, Juan Gonzales, and others.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on September 03, 2014, 01:16:30 pm
I believe the Tulsa Oilers baseball team was AAA.  Why we never regained that status is beyond me.  

For being an AA team, Tulsa has been a waypoint for some MLB players who have had solid careers: Sammy Sosa, Dean Palmer, Bobby Witt, Ivan Rodriguez, Matt Holliday, Jason Giambi, Juan Gonzales, and others.

Typically AA teams have the better players who are closer to the show.  It's been my experience that many of the players in AAA are either lifetime minor leaguers or they are on their way down from the majors later in life that don't want to let it go.  It may or may not still be like this.

And on a semi-related note, the 25th anniversary of Pete Rose's ban from baseball was yesterday.  I think for someone whose only transgression was betting on his own team to win (as opposed to some players who get a pass for using PEDs which in my opinion is more heinous than what Pete did) it's time for the oligarchy in baseball to let up and allow the greatest ambassador of the game back in and take his rightful place in the HOF.

I understand the reasoning for what the commish did at the time (basing the decision off the Black Sox scandal), but the BlackSox incident involved players losing to throw the series for monetary gain.  Kinda hard to correlate the two if Pete was betting on his team winning.

#reinstatepete (yes, i know hashtags don't work here).


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 03, 2014, 01:46:20 pm
Tulsa 66'ers were navy, blue, red & yellow.  No orange.


What color is this?

http://www.nba.com/dleague/tulsa/index_home.html



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: puckbag on September 03, 2014, 02:59:56 pm
It's all unfortunate and totally predictable. There's an endless line of uncreative/non-unique sports brands, especially in the minor leagues where margins are tight and budgets are low.

This obviously "borrowed" the Barons look. The Barons took the look from their parent team, the Edmonton Oilers. The Tulsa Oilers used to be Blue and Orange at and for a while after the '92 re-birth. The Edmonton Oilers were already Blue and Orange. The Drillers were called the Oilers at one time. OKC Thunder? Many sports fans in the region knew of the Wichita Thunder since the 90's.

I do appreciate that the Tulsa Athletics broke from the Oil theme. I wish they'd chosen different colors though since the Oakland Athletics are of course: Green & Yellow. And, being a euro-snob myself, I'd have gone with a "Tulsa Athletic Club" sort of name, made it member owned, branched out to other sports... oops, I went to far.  :D


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: rdj on September 03, 2014, 04:12:59 pm
What color is this?

http://www.nba.com/dleague/tulsa/index_home.html



According to the most recent media guide (http://www.nba.com/dleague/tulsa/media/1-GeneralInfo.pdf) online it would be 66'ers Red, Pantone 1788C.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 03, 2014, 08:50:35 pm
What color is this?

http://www.nba.com/dleague/tulsa/index_home.html


The color of a team moving to OKC next season?


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DolfanBob on September 04, 2014, 08:59:23 am
The color of a team moving to OKC next season?

So they're just called the 66ers? Not Oklahoma "City" 66ers?

And no. Tulsa does not and will not support any professional sport that starts up or moves here. But we will rush right out and support College(sort of)High School Football(Mainly)every season.
I'm still bitter over the whole Oklahoma Outlaws fiasco. Super Bowl Quarterback. Pro Bowl receiver and a fantastic NFL running back and still could not sustain them staying here till the League folded.
When the Roughnecks won the Soccer Bowl. I'm still not sure if half of Tulsa's population even knew what the Soccer Bowl was or even that we had a team.
But let the PBR roll into town, BY GAWD!(Roy D) Yee Haw Paw we gotta go! Sorry guy's. That's not a sport. It's a skill. Get over it.

So the best we got. Is arguing over the colors of a crappy logo for a team by a business firm from OKC rubbing it in our face that we probably won't support anyway. Hey! I'll support that.  ::)


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: rdj on September 04, 2014, 10:05:46 am
Don't forget this town supports big golf tournaments when Southern Hills decides to pony up for them.  Ha!

I'm actually surprised at the amount of support Tulsans give the Thunder.  I believe it is because they're winning at a high level and they have a very likable superstar in Kevin Durant, even if he is a Longhorn and Redskins fan.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 04, 2014, 10:30:03 am
I like the Thunder, but am not gaga.

I wish they had kept their promise to be called the Oklahoma Thunder and not Oklahoma City Thunder. They got millions in state tax breaks, then changed their mind.

I cheer for all teams in Oklahoma especially whenever they play teams in Texas.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Conan71 on September 04, 2014, 12:31:04 pm
I like the Thunder, but am not gaga.


I’ve met Lady Gaga.  You sir are no Gaga.



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 04, 2014, 01:49:33 pm
I want to own a dance club that plays all Goo Goo Dolls and Lady Gaga music.

I am calling it "Goo Goo GaGa a Go-Go"


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on September 04, 2014, 02:41:57 pm
I want to own a dance club that plays all Goo Goo Dolls and Lady Gaga music.

I am calling it "Goo Goo GaGa a Go-Go"

I bet you could get Steve Kitchell to bite on that one.... ;)


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 04, 2014, 05:59:16 pm
When are the Athletics moving to the NASL?  I like games at the old park.  The field can be bigger because it doesn't have to accommodate baseball.

If it doesn't happen, you can thank the Drillers and their sugar-daddies in OKC.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/soccer/tulsa-athletics-officials-in-discussions-with-nasl-for-pro-soccer/article_516c8411-c551-5d95-b8d2-7e7f13be80cb.html

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdM33Cq67Ro[/youtube]

And if the OKC group who owns half of these fake-Roughnecks gets an MLS team (their stated goal), guess who they turn into their minor league affiliate?
The "Roughnecks" -- become the OKC Energy's farm club....


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 04, 2014, 07:03:20 pm
If it doesn't happen, you can thank the Drillers and their sugar-daddies in OKC.


You are sure bitter. It is no surprise that you believe if you fail it is all someone else's fault.

Just worry about your team. 



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 04, 2014, 07:31:02 pm
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 05, 2014, 04:52:33 am
Let's recap...

You push for a local soccer team on this forum for many years. So do many other people. Then two different groups move forward and create two different teams.

You decide to hate one of the teams. You spend every post you can trying to undermine the other team in every way including that they have some investors from another city in Oklahoma or have a team logo that looks to you like someone else's logo.

Then you make it sound like it is a moral crusade to hate the other team and bash others who do not share your view.






Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DolfanBob on September 05, 2014, 07:46:56 am
Rufnex. Is there a reason that your team are the Athletics and not the Roughnecks? You certainly have the passion of someone who truly loved Tulsa's team of the past. Your team I believe came first on the scene. So I would figure with the name available (or maybe not) that it would be a no brainer to keep the logo and history right here under local leadership and people who genuinely care.
Now I have no knowledge of Trademark Law or any idea what it takes to bring back fond memories with a business or franchise. But I loved the Roughnecks of the past and I totally understand where your passion is coming from.
So other than built in immediate ticket sales for this new venture. I see no need for them to be called the Roughnecks if they are wanting a whole new logo and colors. What will be sad is when they dig deep in their pockets and trot out our beloved former players wearing this new gawd awful logo and colors for meet and greet autograph day at the stadium.

As a side note. The Daughter of my Boss works for EMSA and was at one of the Athletics games. She said that it was a blast and could not have ever imagined a soccer game being so exciting. But of course buffed up and toned men running around in shorts sweating probably had nothing to do with her opinion. lol

P.S. This whole Logo nostalgia thing reminds me of a restaurant on South Lewis trying to cash in on memories. Looks to be kind of a struggle.  ;D


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DowntownDan on September 05, 2014, 08:20:33 am
And if the OKC group who owns half of these fake-Roughnecks gets an MLS team (their stated goal), guess who they turn into their minor league affiliate?
The "Roughnecks" -- become the OKC Energy's farm club....

I don't buy into the rest of the crazy, but this genuinely concerns me.  It would concern me either way though because OKC has had the jump on us in sports and overall development for at least 20 years now.  I've already read about them being miles ahead on trying to get a soccer specific stadium with real plans and financial backing.  All I've seen around here is talk.  If this state is getting MLS, it's going to OKC no matter what in my opinion.  Pro sports in Tulsa just doesn't seem to have the monetary fire power to make things happen.  The second the Thunder starting winning games and selling out consistently, we officially fell into the back seat.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Gaspar on September 05, 2014, 12:34:33 pm
I don't buy into the rest of the crazy, but this genuinely concerns me.  It would concern me either way though because OKC has had the jump on us in sports and overall development for at least 20 years now.  I've already read about them being miles ahead on trying to get a soccer specific stadium with real plans and financial backing.  All I've seen around here is talk.  If this state is getting MLS, it's going to OKC no matter what in my opinion.  Pro sports in Tulsa just doesn't seem to have the monetary fire power to make things happen.  The second the Thunder starting winning games and selling out consistently, we officially fell into the back seat.

I would assume that once a state gets a pro team, whatever city that team is in will naturally get the remaining pro franchises, until that particular market meets some form of saturation.

It seems like simple business.  A pro team is not just about the team, or the fans.  It's about the economy that gets built around that team.  Many of the businesses that become part of an economy with a professional sports franchise require the ability to serve multiple franchises/teams/sports to grow, and the teams require the continued growth of that business infrastructure.  So again, I would assume, that when a franchise is looking to locate in a market, they are looking for many of those vital services to already exist and display a track record of sustainability.

If you are a professional soccer franchise and you are considering Tulsa and Oklahoma City, which one displays the infrastructure, and economy necessary to support your team?  Which one offers a track record of success in supporting, promoting, and growing other professional franchises?

I hate to say it, but it looks like Tulsa was late to the party and the cake is all gone.  We do however, have an excellent track record for farm teams.  Lots of great athletes have come through Tulsa, unfortunately they have, on their way somewhere else.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqR,!lwE2FvOfku-BNjL+RsLS!~~_35.JPG)


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 09, 2014, 01:34:03 am
You are sure bitter. It is no surprise that you believe if you fail it is all someone else's fault.

Just worry about your team. 



The truth will come out.
And I will help.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 09, 2014, 06:28:07 am
I knew you were a truther.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 09, 2014, 07:31:02 am
Let's recap...

You push for a local soccer team on this forum for many years. So do many other people. Then two different groups move forward and create two different teams.

You decide to hate one of the teams. You spend every post you can trying to undermine the other team in every way including that they have some investors from another city in Oklahoma or have a team logo that looks to you like someone else's logo.

Then you make it sound like it is a moral crusade to hate the other team and bash others who do not share your view.




He is a soccer fan...haven't you been watching soccer with the rest of the country and seen how soccer fans are??  What you describe is pretty much it.... 'bout like OU fans.



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DolfanBob on September 09, 2014, 08:12:14 am

He is a soccer fan...haven't you been watching soccer with the rest of the country and seen how soccer fans are??  What you describe is pretty much it.... 'bout like OU fans.



I'm sorry but I have seen out of control fans. And "We" OU fans are not it. I could start a whole new topic on rabid fans. i.e. LSU, Miami, Florida State etc. etc.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 09, 2014, 09:28:22 am
I'm sorry but I have seen out of control fans. And "We" OU fans are not it. I could start a whole new topic on rabid fans. i.e. LSU, Miami, Florida State etc. etc.


ANY (and all) Florida team fan!!  (I dislike all Florida college teams if it was not obvious before.  Can tolerate the Dophins ok.)


I just gotta take a little poke at OU once in a while - I work with a lot of people who went there (God bless their poor deluded minds....) and they are good people.  OU isn't all that bad these days, since David Boren took over and fixed so many of their previous problems.  Get to spend a fair amount of time in the area and have been thinking about getting another degree....mechanical engineer - it would be really easy, since it's really just a subset of what I already had in school, just different buildings....

Also, need to poke soccer fans just a little bit, too.  I enjoy watching it from time to time, but just can't let an opportunity like that go by.  Rufnex takes himself way to seriously at times - it's that enthusiasm of youth thing....




Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DolfanBob on September 09, 2014, 10:15:32 am
You are absolutely right about Florida fans. I became a Dolphins fan because of Don Shula, Earl Morrall and Howard Twilley.
Johnny Unitas was my childhood Football hero. He was traded to the San Diego Chargers his final season and Don Shula took Earl to South Beach. Howard was a TU grad with a local shoe business. And a friend of my Sister took me to meet him. He signed a big Black and White poster for me and from that day on. I was hooked on the Miami Dolphins. 1971 till now. I wish I knew where that poster was. I would have had it matted and framed and still displayed to this day.

Years ago I stayed with some friends in Ft Lauderdale. At one of the Dolphins game. My buddy stood up and yelled at the people in our section that I had traveled all the way from Oklahoma to watch the Dolphins play at home. They started screaming. You cheat in Oklahoma! You guy's this and that! I couldn't believe it and neither could they. I have always said I hate the Miami fans on Saturday and love em on Sunday.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on September 09, 2014, 11:36:15 am
Haha..I guess for me, the epitome of dumbass fans was the several trips friends and I would take down the turnpike to watch the Oiler/Blazers games.  I got challenged to a fight in the concourse trying to order an onion burger with my then-girlfriend in tow...for both of us wearing an Oiler jersey.  This guy was about as big as a popcorn fart and drunk as all hell.  Wasn't worth my time and his friends quickly corrected him and apologized.

In Wichita, Oiler fans used to get their tires slashed...so some of the Oiler fans had Kansas tags they'd put on when they got parked, because having an Oklahoma tag almost guaranteed a cut tire back in the day.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DolfanBob on September 09, 2014, 11:49:28 am
OMG Hoss. I forgot about Blazer fans. Geez they took those games personal. Thanks for the flashback.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on September 09, 2014, 12:55:07 pm
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Roughnecks-Need-Fans-for-Commercial-Shoot.html?soid=1115895323242&aid=AqWysG2ZbKg

Wonder whose head will explode from this?


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 09, 2014, 02:12:06 pm
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Roughnecks-Need-Fans-for-Commercial-Shoot.html?soid=1115895323242&aid=AqWysG2ZbKg

Wonder whose head will explode from this?


I gotta show up for that.... free pizza!!



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DolfanBob on September 09, 2014, 03:28:43 pm
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Roughnecks-Need-Fans-for-Commercial-Shoot.html?soid=1115895323242&aid=AqWysG2ZbKg

Wonder whose head will explode from this?

And they want you to wear their new colors and logo. But they are not going to provide them. How are you going to film fans in the stands cheering for a team that hasn't even played yet? They might as well serve "Shotgun Sams" pizza too. That would bring a crowd.  ;D


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 09, 2014, 03:49:18 pm
And they want you to wear their new colors and logo. But they are not going to provide them. How are you going to film fans in the stands cheering for a team that hasn't even played yet? They might as well serve "Shotgun Sams" pizza too. That would bring a crowd.  ;D


I plan to use body paint....



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 09, 2014, 08:04:58 pm
Let's recap...

Yes.
Let's recap.

Tulsa had several opportunities for an MLS club dating back twenty years.
This city has blown it several times, early 90s, late 90s, 2002 and most recently in 2005... http://tulsanow.org/index.php/in-the-mood-to-help-fund-a-downtown-soccer-stadium/

Eventually, the city built a shiny, new downtown ballpark... a ballpark that was not constructed to accommodate soccer in any meaningful way.
They could have built it to accommodate soccer/football, but they didn't.
They built a very baseball specific stadium.

You push for a local soccer team on this forum for many years.

Not only that, I corresponded with Tulsa County officials and the new NASL (one level below MLS) for years to do anything to make sure the old ballpark at the fairgrounds wasn't demolished for surface parking, or turned into a Cabella's, or converted for midget-car races (sorry bout that one, Conan)...

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So do many other people.
Tell me who these "other people" are.
Because the Drillers are most definitely Johnny-come-lately to all of this.

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Then two different groups move forward and create two different teams.

No.  That's a tall tale, Michael.
One local group drew over 3,000 fans per game in their first season at 15th & Yale.
Their goal has been to move up the ladder from Day One.
It was only after their success that the other group magically surfaced...

And this other group, who've never had any previous interest in soccer whatsoever, suddenly shows up bankrolled and coerced (dare I say "bribed?") by a group from OKC.

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You decide to hate one of the teams.

I didn't just "decide to hate one of the teams."
I decided I needed to support my friends, and defend the group that is growing organically, dreaming of someday putting together an MLS bid for Tulsa, and IMO is the only group that has Tulsa soccer's best interests at heart.

I saw multiple conflicts of interest last year... one from Bob Funk's OKC group (in the midst of a bitter feud with another OKC group that includes Brad Lund).
Another from Brad and Jeff Lund, who wanted a second NASL team in Tulsa to go with their own OKC team.

Despite the fact the Tulsa Athletics had better average attendance (3k+) over the 2013 season than most of the USL Pro teams that the Drillers will join in 2015, neither OKC group wanted to truly work as partners/equals with the Athletics... they were too busy fighting over who gets to exploit the Roughnecks name...
http://dohertysoccer.com/previous-lower-division-attendances/2013-lower-division-attendances/2013-usl-pro-attendance/

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You spend every post you can trying to undermine the other team in every way including that they have some investors from another city in Oklahoma or have a team logo that looks to you like someone else's logo.

I'm going to spend most of my time on this subject pointing out conflicts of interest.
Because it's out there...  And it manifests itself in many ways... to slap the Roughnecks name on jerseys that look suspiciously derivative of the Thunder and Barons is only one of the smaller reasons why I am highly suspicious of the Drillers and Prodigal LLC's motives.  

I also happen to find the logo pretty vapid.  


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 09, 2014, 08:20:14 pm
BTW Conan, here's some midget car racing for you (about a minute into the video)...  8)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49hSTqWGRQw[/youtube]


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 09, 2014, 08:40:58 pm
You really think the reason the Roughnecks ownership bought a professional USL team to move to Tulsa is because the Athletics drew 3,000 fans to an amateur game?

You must have a screw loose. People in this town have been wanting a professional team long before the Athletics. Don't you remember an exhibition game at TU during LaFortune's years? Do you not think the recent success of TU soccer had any effect? Maybe the strong interest in World cup matches of 2010 and 2014? Maybe the impact of the Tulsa sports commission bringing in national youth soccer tournaments could be a factor?

No. According to you, it is all because you and your friends found a unused baseball stadium, painted it green and had some amateur matches that caused another group to suddenly spend big bucks to bring in a professional team. Let me tell you, people have been talking about a professional team in Tulsa for many years.

If you really think that YOU caused the Roughnecks organization to do this, you are suffering from some real mental disorders.

I would think you would work on your own product, try to build your own fan base, and try and find funding to complete your dream of moving up. Instead, all your energy is spent negatively attacking the other team as if they were the enemy.

If you put a good product on the field and make it an enjoyable experience for the fans, you should do fine. If you just continue to act like there is a conspiracy against you personally, you will likely fail.

The choice is up to you.




Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Conan71 on September 09, 2014, 08:44:39 pm
BTW Conan, here's some midget car racing for you (about a minute into the video)...  8)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49hSTqWGRQw[/youtube]

Technically stock cars, but Taft was a legendary midget track in the 1940’s and 1950’s.  Quite a few future Indy 500 drivers raced there.  Used to be you could race a midget six nights a week from Kansas to Texas.  Thanks for the call out!


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 09, 2014, 09:41:15 pm
Yes.
Let's recap.

Tulsa had several opportunities for an MLS club dating back twenty years.
This city has blown it several times, early 90s, late 90s, 2002 and most recently in 2005... http://tulsanow.org/index.php/in-the-mood-to-help-fund-a-downtown-soccer-stadium/



What RM said.


I hope you will keep on promoting the idea of pro soccer here in town, 'cause it might end up being a good thing for the city.  Now, for the "butt"....

You said it yourself - the opportunities dating back 20 years...well, they actually go back further - well into the 70's, but the number you use is a reflection of your age and what is "real" in that shorter time frame.  The city has not "blown" it - the concept has not reached the "critical mass" necessary to gain enough support to make it happen yet - for whatever reason or reasons.  Or alternately, has not attracted the attention of the right "whales" who are big fans and have the money to make it happen.

I am not trying to advance a cause or sell an idea like you are - I generally try to shine light on the ignorance and stupidstition running rampant in so many corners of the state.  YOU on the other hand are trying to "sell" something.  And as the old hack goes, you always attract more flies with honey than vinegar.  I happen to like vinegar - especially in a nice balsamic vinaigrette - but you might want to consider the 'honey' approach rather than my way.  Go to 'charm' school.  Join Toastmasters.  Dale Carnegie.  Something to smooth your rough edges and make your message palatable - less astringent.



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 09, 2014, 09:43:13 pm
You really think the reason the Roughnecks ownership bought a professional USL team to move to Tulsa is because the Athletics drew 3,000 fans to an amateur game?

You must have a screw loose.

No, Michael.
You're the one who got his panties in a bunch last spring when some of our Athletics fans got on your case.
And now you're attacking my character.

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People in this town have been wanting a professional team long before the Athletics. Don't you remember an exhibition game at TU during LaFortune's years?

I supported his efforts.  You didn't.  
You wanted a new ballpark for the Drillers instead.
You went on and on about how a "soccer specific stadium" could only be used for soccer.

I don't want to be the Drillers orange-headed stepchild when we can be first tenant at 15th and Yale... sorry.
I'm sure there will be plenty of people buying tickets to watch the Tulsa Thundercats.
I hope the Athletics will be able to survive.  But I don't think they can survive more than a few years at 15th & Yale unless they get into the NASL.

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Do you not think the recent success of TU soccer had any effect?

TU soccer has been successful for many years, but that didn't have any influence on the construction of soccer-unfriendly ONEOk Field.
I was at the TU game last Friday night.  You weren't.  So you really shouldn't attempt to lecture me on the subject.
Several members of our supporters group were there too.  Some of us will support the new Roughnecks, some of us (like me) won't.
Free country.

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No. According to you, it is all because you and your friends found a unused baseball stadium, painted it green and had some amateur matches that caused another group to suddenly spend big bucks to bring in a professional team.


Now you're just being dismissive.  And on top of that, you're being a dick.
I will always have more respect for the hard work the staff at the Tulsa Athletics have done than I will ever have for trust-fund babies with money to burn.

I'm convinced the Hubbard brothers would have never taken the plunge had it not been for the OKC people who bankrolled it in a pissing match with the Lunds.  
I simply don't like it when a well financed group tries to jerk the rug out from under good local folks who've put their butts on the line in our city and transformed the old ballpark into a soccer specific facility Tulsa can be proud of.  Especially when I consider those folks to be my friends.

And yes... I like being first tenant in that old tin can of a stadium...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT_KPWnybug[/youtube]

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Let me tell you, people have been talking about a professional team in Tulsa for many years.

And let me tell you, I know a helluva lot more about this than you do, so maybe you should just quit while you're behind.
Evidently, according to you, the Drillers can do no wrong and the Athletics are just cheap...

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If you really think that YOU caused the Roughnecks organization to do this, you are suffering from some real mental disorders.

Someone's cranky and probably needs a nap.
Once again, you attack my character.
Do we have moderators on this site or not?

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I would think you would work on your own product, try to build your own fan base, and try and find funding to complete your dream of moving up. Instead, all your energy is spent negatively attacking the other team as if they were the enemy.

Wow.  You really are bitter about this, RM.
I believe to this day, that if it weren't for the conflicts of interest between rival groups in OKC, the Athletics would have announced a new NASL team by now for 2015 or 2016.

And maybe the Drillers would simply be good neighbors.
Instead of trying to eat us.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 09, 2014, 09:46:01 pm


Now you're just being dismissive.  And on top of that, you're being a dick.
I will always have more respect for the hard work the staff at the Tulsa Athletics have done than I will ever have for trust-fund babies with money to burn.


And let me tell you, I know a helluva lot more about this than you do, so maybe you should just quit while you're behind.
Evidently, according to you, the Drillers can do no wrong and the Athletics are just cheap...

Someone's cranky and probably needs a nap.
Once again, you attack my character.
Do we have moderators on this site or not?

Wow.  You really are bitter about this, RM.
I believe to this day, that if it weren't for the conflicts of interest between rival groups in OKC, the Athletics would have announced a new NASL team by now for 2015 or 2016.

And maybe the Drillers would simply be good neighbors.
Instead of trying to eat us.



You really aren't getting it, are you?

Oh, well....I tried.



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 09, 2014, 09:47:33 pm
Blah, blah, blah...
Blah blah troll blah...

I'm going to strongly state my opinions.
I did so five years ago... I did so nearly ten years ago when I starting posting on this site.
Get over it.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 09, 2014, 09:49:53 pm
I'm going to strongly state my opinions.
Get over it.


Good for you!!  Continue your culture of failure!!  We will avoid soccer for decades!!



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 09, 2014, 09:51:29 pm

Good for you!!  Continue your culture of failure!!  We will avoid soccer for decades!!

Now you're just being a troll.
Maybe you should go back to the shooting sports.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 09, 2014, 10:08:00 pm
Now you're just being a troll.
Maybe you should go back to the shooting sports.


So many catchy comebacks!!  I just cannot imagine WHY there has been so much resistance to your agenda in town, as evidenced by the total lack of success in achieving your stated goals.

But hey, if that's working out for you - onward and downward!!




Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on September 09, 2014, 10:19:33 pm
Now you're just being a troll.
Maybe you should go back to the shooting sports.

With an attitude like that, you're hardly advancing your cause...

Oh well, I don't have a dog in this hunt.  One or the other will survive.  I suspect your anguish over this is because now that the Roughnecks FC are now a reality, you feel the Athletics will struggle.  We'll see.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 09, 2014, 10:24:33 pm
But hey, if that's working out for you - onward and downward!!

That seems to be the direction you want to take the conversation.
Pity.

You said it yourself - the opportunities dating back 20 years...well, they actually go back further - well into the 70's, but the number you use is a reflection of your age and what is "real" in that shorter time frame.  The city has not "blown" it - the concept has not reached the "critical mass" necessary to gain enough support to make it happen yet - for whatever reason or reasons.

I had to re-read this one... listen, H-bomb... Major League Soccer is less than 20 years old and Tulsa was one of 18 "finalists" in a bid dating back to 1994.  Any opportunities to join MLS that "actually go back further - well into the 70's" would be firmly in the domain of Miss Cleo.  Just sayin'

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/pWyHiV3l3MA/hqdefault.jpg)


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 09, 2014, 11:10:00 pm
I suspect your anguish over this is because now that the Roughnecks FC are now a reality, you feel the Athletics will struggle.  We'll see.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/crude-is-nice/article_884bcc5b-c49f-509a-b4eb-0c3301aead53.html

http://theheatisoff.yuku.com/topic/469/Tulsa-We-Already-Have-A-Hockey-Team-Crude-Oil#.VA_W7mMge9Q



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on September 09, 2014, 11:14:24 pm
http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/crude-is-nice/article_884bcc5b-c49f-509a-b4eb-0c3301aead53.html

http://theheatisoff.yuku.com/topic/469/Tulsa-We-Already-Have-A-Hockey-Team-Crude-Oil#.VA_W7mMge9Q



OK, so you trot out 13 year old articles relating to the Crude and Oilers.  Apples and oranges.  Crude were juniors (16-18 year olds who can't be paid to play).  Your point is?....


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 09, 2014, 11:26:36 pm
OK, so you trot out 13 year old articles relating to the Crude and Oilers.  Apples and oranges.  Crude were juniors (16-18 year olds who can't be paid to play).  Your point is?....

One team played at the fairgrounds, the other downtown.

The Athletics can't pay their players if they want to use current TU and ORU players... NCAA rules.

The NPSL season is short; the Roughnecks will start a month earlier than the A's and will finish a month and a half later.
After a year or two of this, it's not hard to see the potential for problems... I think our guys deserved better than getting stuck in a situation where their only logical way out is to leapfrog the Zombie Roughnecks and make a jump to the NASL... http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/soccer/tulsa-athletics-officials-in-discussions-with-nasl-for-pro-soccer/article_516c8411-c551-5d95-b8d2-7e7f13be80cb.html

Just so you know, there's alot more bad blood between USL Pro and the NASL than there is between the CHL and AHL.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on September 09, 2014, 11:32:12 pm
One team played at the fairgrounds, the other downtown.

The Athletics can't pay their players if they want to use current TU and ORU players... NCAA rules.

The NPSL season is short; the Roughnecks will start a month earlier than the A's and will finish a month and a half later.
After a year or two of this, it's not hard to see the potential for problems... I think our guys deserved better than getting stuck in a situation where their only logical way out is to leapfrog the Zombie Roughnecks and jump to the NASL...

The problem with the Crude had nothing to do with having to compete with the Oilers because they really weren't.  Monte WANTED a junior team.  He knew what it was and knew he couldn't get CC dates because the Oilers had a contract with the City.  The final nail in the Crude coffin was the ownership.  Hell, the old owner of the Oilers (your friend Jeff Lund) damn near ran that team into the ground until the Steven Brothers saved it a couple of seasons ago.

And just so YOU know...there is no bad blood between the AHL and the CHL.  The CHL realizes that the AHL is AAA hockey and most teams at that level are getting financial backing from their parent clubs (OKC gets money from Edmonton...why do you think they survive with those horrific attendance numbers?).  CHL knows it's AA hockey and most clubs don't have anything other than 'unofficial' affiliations with any club in a higher league, much less NHL teams.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 10, 2014, 12:08:19 am
And just so YOU know...there is no bad blood between the AHL and the CHL.

Didn't say there was.  Assumed there wasn't, actually.

There's bad blood between the NASL (D-2) and USL Pro (D-3).
There's bad blood between Brad Lund and Bob Funk Jr in OKC.

Both Lund and Funk Jr wanted a USL Pro team in OKC... Lund's group bought an amateur level USL club hoping that would give them an inside track; USL instead chose Funk Jr... unbeknownst to the USL, Lund's group was also pursuing an NASL club simultaneously, despite signing a USL contract with a non-compete clause... once Lund was granted an NASL expansion team for 2015, the USL sent cease-and-desist letters and a couple of lawsuits followed.  Both Lund and Funk Jr. started trying to get a team in Tulsa, because they both felt the rivalry could put their prospective groups over the top.  Lund's lead investor defected to Funk Jr's OKC Energy about six months ago, and it seems OKC's NASL group is stuck... just so you know, I'm about as big a fan of Brad Lund as you are of Jeff.

Oh, and that Roughnecks FC commercial idea?
I guess imitation is the highest form of flattery... of course, we filmed ours after our first season had ended... the commercials aired during the FA Cup and a couple of the USA World Cup games.

And so the soap opera goes on...


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 10, 2014, 05:57:50 am
Oh, and that Roughnecks FC commercial idea?
I guess imitation is the highest form of flattery...

You invented the TV commercial promoting a soccer team?

Wow. I apologize for everything.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 10, 2014, 07:03:12 am
You invented the TV commercial promoting a soccer team?

No.

Nice strawman you made there, though.

Athletics fans and the Ultras did this last year.  https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=614227443116

Compare.
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Roughnecks-Need-Fans-for-Commercial-Shoot.html?soid=1115895323242&aid=AqWysG2ZbKg


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 10, 2014, 08:38:07 am
That seems to be the direction you want to take the conversation.
Pity.

I had to re-read this one... listen, H-bomb... Major League Soccer is less than 20 years old and Tulsa was one of 18 "finalists" in a bid dating back to 1994.  Any opportunities to join MLS that "actually go back further - well into the 70's" would be firmly in the domain of Miss Cleo.  Just sayin'



Oh, thank you!!  I just love it when you walk right in, and sit right down.....


Soccer fans are so stimulation starved from their game that they are trying to make it into something it isn't.  They want to emulate something with excitement, energy, a little touch of "danger" - kind of a gladiatorial type sport - like UFC!!  I think they are succeeding....

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=893549154025609&fref=nf



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 10, 2014, 09:12:07 am
seriously rufnex...

Is there a sports team in Tulsa that DIDN'T shoot a promotional TV commercial?



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: carltonplace on September 10, 2014, 11:09:35 am
I really like going to the Athletics games, something about the experience feels very "Tulsa". I hope Tulsa will support two teams but if only one can survive I'm Tulsa till I die.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: swake on September 10, 2014, 11:10:00 am
seriously rufnex...

Is there a sports team in Tulsa that DIDN'T shoot a promotional TV commercial?



The late 66ers?


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DolfanBob on September 10, 2014, 11:29:08 am
There are only two things I can't stand in this World. People who are intolerant of other peoples cultures. And the Dutch!  ;D


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on September 10, 2014, 12:14:07 pm
There are only two things I can't stand in this World. People who are intolerant of other peoples cultures. And the Dutch!  ;D

Wow, an Austin Powers reference in a TN thread.  What is the world coming to?   ;D


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DolfanBob on September 10, 2014, 12:54:53 pm
Wow, an Austin Powers reference in a TN thread.  What is the world coming to?   ;D

I had to add a little levity to break up all the hostility baby ya!


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on September 10, 2014, 01:03:30 pm
I had to add a little levity to break up all the hostility baby ya!

(http://coffeeticks.my/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/belly-gif.gif)

Now back to our regularly scheduled snark.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 10, 2014, 03:58:23 pm
There are only two things I can't stand in this World. People who are intolerant of other peoples cultures. And the Dutch!  ;D


Sooo....that means you are even ok with Canada??




Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 10, 2014, 08:21:14 pm
Representative soccer fans.....looks about right.


https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=758156680894652&fref=nf


(Even if there was too much cop carp going on...)



Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DolfanBob on September 11, 2014, 07:13:04 am
Representative soccer fans.....looks about right.


https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=758156680894652&fref=nf


(Even if there was too much cop carp going on...)



You see how the coward with the night stick run off without being touched? And it was his actions that started the mob retaliation.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 11, 2014, 07:43:54 am
You see how the coward with the night stick run off without being touched? And it was his actions that started the mob retaliation.


He deserved the whoopin' that he didn't get.





Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on September 11, 2014, 07:47:32 am

He deserved the whoopin' that he didn't get.





That's why I'm pretty proud to say that the level of heckling at hockey games very very rarely gets to 'needs law enforcement intervention' level.  A group of us will be in force this season for the Oilers, however.  About 10 of us in section 103 right above the tunnel where the visiting team leaves and enters their locker rooms.  Going to be a fun season for sure.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DolfanBob on September 11, 2014, 08:20:05 am
That's why I'm pretty proud to say that the level of heckling at hockey games very very rarely gets to 'needs law enforcement intervention' level.  A group of us will be in force this season for the Oilers, however.  About 10 of us in section 103 right above the tunnel where the visiting team leaves and enters their locker rooms.  Going to be a fun season for sure.

Hey good Ol jeering, heckling and talking bout their Mothers (well maybe not that) is all in good fun. Give em hell Hoss!


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on September 11, 2014, 01:12:14 pm
Hey good Ol jeering, heckling and talking bout their Mothers (well maybe not that) is all in good fun. Give em hell Hoss!

We have a 'hecklers guide' we abide by.  Talking about players' mothers is off limits.  Only one time we talked about a players wife, and that was because it was common knowledge that the month before, the player was jailed for domestic violence, was to say something like "Sedgwick County jail called...they're looking to send your dignity back!".  I fired that salvo off during a point in the game where it was dead quiet in the CC and it rang out.  My lungs aren't that good anymore, but to say I got some looks that night was an understatement.  So really in that case, we inferred about his wife and didn't say anything.

It's all in good fun.  We even heckle the referees.  Most hate it, but one or two love it and fire right back.  Our group wound up having a couple of beers with a referee like that after a game.  He instantly earned my respect.

You cannot take yourself too seriously.  It's just a game, but the heckling is fun.  It's kinda like this forum in a way....


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Conan71 on September 11, 2014, 02:03:42 pm
We have a 'hecklers guide' we abide by.  Talking about players' mothers is off limits.  Only one time we talked about a players wife, and that was because it was common knowledge that the month before, the player was jailed for domestic violence, was to say something like "Sedgwick County jail called...they're looking to send your dignity back!".  I fired that salvo off during a point in the game where it was dead quiet in the CC and it rang out.  My lungs aren't that good anymore, but to say I got some looks that night was an understatement.  So really in that case, we inferred about his wife and didn't say anything.

It's all in good fun.  We even heckle the referees.  Most hate it, but one or two love it and fire right back.  Our group wound up having a couple of beers with a referee like that after a game.  He instantly earned my respect.

You cannot take yourself too seriously.  It's just a game, but the heckling is fun.  It's kinda like this forum in a way....

It’s true for any sport.  Even cycling.  The heckling is relentless on Crybaby Hill and during cyclocross season which is coming up.  Cyclocross is stupid hard, so anyone who does it gets major respect from the other riders but it still doesn’t keep them from hurling insults at each other.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 13, 2014, 11:03:55 am
Rufnex. Is there a reason that your team are the Athletics and not the Roughnecks?

Owners thought the "Roughnecks" name had been dragged through the mud in the 90s.
I agree.  And most all of our fans agreed that if an NPSL amateur team called itself the Roughnecks, it would be taken as a joke.
Many of them feel the same way about this USL Pro team calling itself the Roughnecks... USL Pro is Division 3 soccer, NPSL is Division 4.

You certainly have the passion of someone who truly loved Tulsa's team of the past. Your team I believe came first on the scene. So I would figure with the name available (or maybe not) that it would be a no brainer to keep the logo and history right here under local leadership and people who genuinely care.  Now I have no knowledge of Trademark Law or any idea what it takes to bring back fond memories with a business or franchise. But I loved the Roughnecks of the past and I totally understand where your passion is coming from.

The old logo itself is public domain.  The Athletics wanted to turn the page and honestly would rather just retire the name "Roughnecks" altogether.
The new NASL (2010) is one level below MLS and had trademark rights to the Roughnecks name (among others) until about a year ago.
Bob Funk Jr.'s OKC Energy secured the trademark rights to Tulsa Roughnecks FC in their fight with Brad Lund's OKC FC group that is slated to play in the NASL in 2015... in Yukon, OK.
Brad Lund got his uncle Jeff to recruit ownership for a new Tulsa Roughnecks in the new NASL and also wanted the trademark... the Athletics got stuck in the middle of that fight.


So other than built in immediate ticket sales for this new venture. I see no need for them to be called the Roughnecks if they are wanting a whole new logo and colors. What will be sad is when they dig deep in their pockets and trot out our beloved former players wearing this new gawd awful logo and colors for meet and greet autograph day at the stadium.

My thoughts exactly.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 13, 2014, 03:16:44 pm
Tonight, TU's mens team plays rival #2 Creighton at 7pm at 8th & College, just west of Delaware on the TU campus.  Tailgate starts at 5:30pm.
Last week, TU (in a bit of a rebuilding year) beat #3 Virginia... http://www.tulsahurricane.com/sports/m-soccer/recaps/090514aaa.html

Conan, here's a preview of the new soccer configuration at Taft Stadium (OKC Public Schools owns it and technically the OKC Energy USL Pro team is a tenant).
The entire stadium had to be demolished (it was in too bad shape for a "gut-rehab").
The only thing remaining of old Taft Stadium will be the historic front wall.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEOh1OJf7gA[/youtube]





Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 13, 2014, 10:01:55 pm
The Athletics wanted to turn the page and honestly would rather just retire the name "Roughnecks" altogether.

Why do you care? Why would anyone from the other team care what you think about their name?

"Turn the page" is good advice for you too.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Conan71 on September 13, 2014, 11:46:19 pm
Why do you care? Why would anyone from the other team care what you think about their name?

"Turn the page" is good advice for you too.

Anyone else realize it’s been 41 years since Turn The Page was released?  Seems like only 31 years to me. 8)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GONmFCkCGCc[/youtube]


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 14, 2014, 06:33:13 pm
Why do you care?

There's a website I created a few years back called TulsaRoughnecks.com
The last thing that I (and many other fans, for that matter) want is another coverband team like the one we had playing at this same level of semi-pro soccer back in the 90s.

Tulsa Roughnecks (1993–2000)
(http://www.logoserver.com/Soccer/TulsaRoughnecks.GIF)
The second Tulsa Roughnecks were an American soccer team that played in the United Soccer Leagues from 1993-99.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Roughnecks_%281993%E2%80%932000%29

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Why would anyone from the other team care what you think about their name?

You'd think they'd want all the fan support they could get, especially from soccer fans living in the greater Tulsa metro area.
On the bright side, at least their team colors will remind all of us that they're half-owned by OKC people.

This team isn't the "Roughnecks."  
They're the Tulsa Thunder-Barons (a hyphenated name for hyphenated ownership with hyphenated interests).

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"Turn the page" is good advice for you too.

Why now?
We're just getting started.   ;D





Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DowntownDan on September 15, 2014, 10:32:48 am
If the Athletics make it into the NASL I'll probably support them exclusively.  Next season I'll probably attend games for both teams.  If the A's make it to a higher level league will there be any branding problems with Oakland baseball?  I would think not as long as they don't use any of their branding marks.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 15, 2014, 11:35:30 am
Anyone else realize it’s been 41 years since Turn The Page was released?  Seems like only 31 years to me. 8)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GONmFCkCGCc[/youtube]


More like 31 minutes....


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: davideinstein on September 15, 2014, 02:25:23 pm
If the Athletics make it into the NASL I'll probably support them exclusively.  Next season I'll probably attend games for both teams.  If the A's make it to a higher level league will there be any branding problems with Oakland baseball?  I would think not as long as they don't use any of their branding marks.

I don't think they'll make it with the Roughnecks in town. But I hope the Athletics merge in certain ways. We need one Tulsa team...but we need it to be the the one with the following and the money both for Tulsa to make a run at MLS.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on September 17, 2014, 02:51:24 pm
I believe you'll find a few pertinent quotes here... hot off the presses...

9/17/2014 issue:  The Tulsa Voice -- Always Sonny
Having a few kicks with Tulsa's soccer evangelist
http://issuu.com/langdonpublishing/docs/tv_091714ds/17?e=4069194/9356339


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DowntownDan on September 30, 2014, 12:49:20 pm
Heard a rumor that the NASL group in OKC is going to sell and relocate before ever playing a game.  Any truth to that?  If so, looks like USL Pro wins in Oklahoma.  I would think it unlikely that NASL would try to compete with USL Pro in Tulsa if NASL loses to USL Pro in OKC before even playing a game.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Conan71 on September 30, 2014, 01:21:41 pm
I believe you'll find a few pertinent quotes here... hot off the presses...

9/17/2014 issue:  The Tulsa Voice -- Always Sonny
Having a few kicks with Tulsa's soccer evangelist
http://issuu.com/langdonpublishing/docs/tv_091714ds/17?e=4069194/9356339

Go Sonny!


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on March 03, 2015, 11:28:41 am
Go Sonny!

Shameless plug.   ;D

http://www.alwayssonnypodcast.com/archives/2015/3/1/episode-1-is-here-ita-always-sonny-in-soccerdelphia
In our first episode, Sonny and Stevie discuss the possibility of a winter world cup in 2022, the correct pronunciation of "Qatar", the brand new Tulsa Roughnecks, and Stevie drops his phone! Also interviews with original Roughnecks owner Carl Moore, and owner of the Empire Bar in Tulsa, Kyla Holderness.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWfaq23sqK8[/youtube]




Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on March 03, 2015, 03:12:35 pm
Here is the Roughnecks website...

http://www.tulsaroughnecksfc.com/

I like the orange home jerseys.

The games start in 18 days with a exhibition game on the 21st and the first regular season game on March 28th (against OKC). Ticket prices start at $8.

http://ts1.glitnirticketing.com/tsticket/web/stadiumg.php?event_id=40&status_id=2


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on March 03, 2015, 04:12:48 pm
Have any of you prepped Guido for the upcoming Womens World Cup?


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: sgrizzle on March 03, 2015, 08:49:03 pm
I don't think they'll make it with the Roughnecks in town. But I hope the Athletics merge in certain ways. We need one Tulsa team...but we need it to be the the one with the following and the money both for Tulsa to make a run at MLS.

I kinda agree with this. I know there are plenty of Athletics fans, and I admire that, but one team has a higher chance of success than three (if you count the indoor team)

Also, I'm not a big soccer fan, but this team has me more excited than the other two.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on March 27, 2015, 08:23:49 am
Home opener tomorrow night at 7pm
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10355858_343984092473996_2057520337342967346_n.jpg?oh=d34239829fef342450ed8d3abe2f5a59&oe=55B0DACA&__gda__=1437560643_a1bd513f533466c30e9d2bf3e5e14fca)


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on March 27, 2015, 08:48:16 am
I'll be the hooligan in section 103.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: davideinstein on March 28, 2015, 09:33:30 pm
8300 people.

About that soccer specific stadium...


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: sgrizzle on March 29, 2015, 11:31:44 am
8300 people.

About that soccer specific stadium...

It won't fit in just one block (the TCC location proposal says there is no room for stands) but if you have a superblock, there are options...

(http://cl.ly/image/463d2M192t22/stadium.jpg)


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: swake on March 29, 2015, 11:48:02 am
We need to think inside the box, the big box. Put it where Home Depot is. Get that monstrosity out of downtown.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: AquaMan on March 29, 2015, 12:06:31 pm
Much like Reasor's is the closest big box grocery at 15th and Lewis,  the Home Depot has become the defacto north side lumber/hardware store. They have suffered in service, product quality and diversity of products since opening. They offer main stream suburban style to midtown customers who own 100 year old homes. Nonetheless, they will survive because of their proximity to the interdispersal loop and lack of competition.

No offense to suburbans. Its just that our homes don't have the same needs and look silly with Tuscan decorating and cheap wood products.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TeeDub on March 29, 2015, 06:11:30 pm

Isn't it a better use to use the Drillers stadium rather than have two stadiums that only get used a fraction of the time?

It obviously worked the first time.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: davideinstein on March 29, 2015, 08:15:14 pm
Isn't it a better use to use the Drillers stadium rather than have two stadiums that only get used a fraction of the time?

It obviously worked the first time.

No. The views are terrible for soccer matches. You'll build sales and a potential MLS bid with a soccer specific stadium.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: sgrizzle on March 29, 2015, 08:32:11 pm
No. The views are terrible for soccer matches. You'll build sales and a potential MLS bid with a soccer specific stadium.

Soccer stadium could also host football games instead of TU's stadium being the defacto host for such events.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TeeDub on March 29, 2015, 08:55:55 pm
Soccer stadium could also host football games instead of TU's stadium being the defacto host for such events.

It just seems silly to build another stadium when we have so many underutilized ones already.   I guess as long as it isn't built with tax dollars....


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: davideinstein on March 30, 2015, 07:19:56 am
It just seems silly to build another stadium when we have so many underutilized ones already.   I guess as long as it isn't built with tax dollars....


I'd be alright with Old Drillers Stadium being made into a soccer specific stadium like they did with the baseball park in Portland for the Timbers.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Conan71 on March 30, 2015, 09:01:58 am
I'd be alright with Old Drillers Stadium being made into a soccer specific stadium like they did with the baseball park in Portland for the Timbers.

That would make fantastic sense.  The land exists, the parking exists, the cost to reconfigure the pitch would be minimal in comparison.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: sgrizzle on March 30, 2015, 09:13:10 am
They could move the stands at Drillers to be on opposite sides instead of corner....


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: carltonplace on March 30, 2015, 09:17:04 am
what happens to the Tulsa Athletics if the Roughnecks take over Old Driller's?


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on March 30, 2015, 10:28:32 am
what happens to the Tulsa Athletics if the Roughnecks take over Old Driller's?

I'm pretty sure that for at least one poster here, heads would asplode...


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DowntownDan on March 30, 2015, 11:05:32 am
They could move the stands at Drillers to be on opposite sides instead of corner....


That sounds like a major reconfiguration and extraordinarily expensive.  Once you're talking that amount of money, a soccer specific stadium downtown makes more sense.  It would have a full time soccer team (MLS hopefully) and can host high school games of the week, permanent home for Jenks-Union, outdoor concert venue (Dallas' MLS stadium is configured for this), and can host other outdoor activities.  The key, of course, is an MLS bid.  It would need to be downtown, in my opinion, in furtherance of the ongoing momentum that is making downtown Tulsa a vibrant place.

I think that having them play at Oneok Field makes a lot of sense for now while we try to prove that professional soccer can be successful.  If attendance can stay high, it will support a possible MLS bid.  If we get the bid, the team can continue playing at Oneok field until the soccer stadium is built.  If we are destined to be USL long term, it still makes sense to stay in Oneok field if they can make it work and continue working towards a soccer stadium, even if scaled down from what would otherwise be required for MLS.

Final comment to see if anyone knows anything about this.  I read that the sightlines could be improved if they could lower the pichers mound for soccer, but that there is a cost associated with it.  Is that true, and if so, do you think the Drillers management would consider the investment for next season if attendance is strong this year?


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: sgrizzle on March 30, 2015, 12:17:56 pm
That sounds like a major reconfiguration and extraordinarily expensive.  

Not really, they are just metal bleachers that can be disassembled and moved. Although maybe the race track is a better idea.

Final comment to see if anyone knows anything about this.  I read that the sightlines could be improved if they could lower the pichers mound for soccer, but that there is a cost associated with it.  Is that true, and if so, do you think the Drillers management would consider the investment for next season if attendance is strong this year?

Drillers Management is the same people as Roughnecks Management.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DowntownDan on March 30, 2015, 01:14:34 pm


Drillers Management is the same people as Roughnecks Management.

I know, which is why it would make sense to spend whatever money is necessary to improve the sightlines, assuming attendance is strong enough to justify the cost.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on March 30, 2015, 01:22:05 pm
We need to think inside the box, the big box. Put it where Home Depot is. Get that monstrosity out of downtown.

Great idea! Bulldoze something that has been generating sales tax revenue for twenty years in favor of a multi-million dollar soccer stadium that will have infrequent use and generate less tax revenue. Brilliant!  ::)


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DowntownDan on March 30, 2015, 03:24:45 pm
The lot south of McNellie's, east of Joe Mommas, would be a great spot for a stadium, but I think I've read on this forum that the owner doesn't want to sell or develop.  No idea if that's true.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: cannon_fodder on March 30, 2015, 04:33:12 pm
I live within walking distance of the Expo Center. I go to Athletics games there and have tons of fun. I want Expo square to be heavily utilized.

BUT - it is a crappy location for a professional sports team of any league.

People come. See the game. And leave. There is nothing there to develop. Nothing to keep people in the entertainment district. Nothing to draw people to stay at a hotel, get something to eat, or have a drink after the game. Think about the BOK Center, even being a fantastic draw on a global level, it still took years to draw a small level of entertainment development nearby (and, arguably, that is tangentially related to the BOK Center). Whereas the Arena in OKC feeds Bricktown. FedEx Forum in Memphis feeds Beale Street. The Sprint in Kansas City fuels the Power and Light District. The Target Center and Target Field around Nicollet Mall ("main street") in Minneapolis.

Entertainment venues need to be near entertainment districts. It is as much about the experience as the event itself. Its about capturing additional sales revenue if nothing else.

Can you imagine if we had the Aquarium, BOK Center, and OneOK Field within ~5 blocks of each other? Other attractions would organically grow nearby (movie theaters, Bass Pro, etc.). That's why most cities try to put things together instead of plopping them here, there, or wherever their friends were able to put together land deals.

The old baseball stadium could be a soccer specific stadium for high school or tournaments (with many fields occupying the infield of the horse track) - but otherwise it is not a very good location.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on March 30, 2015, 06:23:52 pm
If I were in charge, I would turn the old Health Department building 4616 E. 15th into a hotel. It is interesting that Expo Square built a new fence and gates all over and purposely excluded the stadium and the Health building outside the gates.

They are attracting very rich people to these horse shows and the only hotel on the property has rooms the size of the closets in my house. Why force these tourist/customers to leave the property?


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Conan71 on March 30, 2015, 10:46:43 pm
If I were in charge, I would turn the old Health Department building 4616 E. 15th into a hotel. It is interesting that Expo Square built a new fence and gates all over and purposely excluded the stadium and the Health building outside the gates.

They are attracting very rich people to these horse shows and the only hotel on the property has rooms the size of the closets in my house. Why force these tourist/customers to leave the property?

Where has the HD moved to?  No idea they were no longer there.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on March 31, 2015, 12:28:18 am
Where has the HD moved to?  No idea they were no longer there.

They moved some time ago to the building south of the current QT HQ at 51st and 129th East Ave.  I can remember taking mom there some years ago when she started up on Soonercare for the first time.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: rdj on March 31, 2015, 08:45:19 am
I believe the people in that building moved to either 3rd & Utica or 56th St N & MLK.

The racetrack will not go away until Expo Square is able to replace the revenue provided by the Native American tribes thru the class III gaming compact.  Expo Sq receives money every year to not become a "Rasino" by adding gaming to the facility.  Former Tulsa County Commissioner Perry convened a committee to make a recommendation to the "Fair Board" about what to do with Drillers Stadium.  If I understand correctly there was a strong sentiment in the room to capture the entire 1/2 mile of frontage along Yale along with the THD building and do an RFP for development that would include retail, a hotel capable of supporting conventions/shows and public spaces for entertainment.  The thought was a long term ground lease could help offset the income that comes from the casinos and when coupled with the income generated would be a net positive.  There was also work being done at the Capitol to insert a clause into the gaming compact that would allow the county to "lease" their racing days to a tribe in lieu of receiving the payment.  That would have let them shut the race track down.  I have no idea what ever happened to those recommendations but that certainly hasn't come close to happening.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on April 01, 2015, 10:56:50 am
ADVANCED NOTICE OF VERY IMPORTANT UPCOMING ANNOUNCEMENT FROM TULSA ROUGHNECKS FC!

ONEOK Will Install Orange Pitch Ahead Of Saturday’s Matchup Vs. Austin Aztex

Apr 01, 2015  12:30 PM CST

TULSA, OK - April 1, 2015 - In a calculated strategic move and one that's sure to shock the soccer world, Tulsa Roughnecks FC groundskeeper Gary Sheppard confirmed today that the club has partnered with T. Boone Pickens, Oklahoma State University, and TurfRite Labs to install an orange pitch ahead of this Saturday's match against Austin Aztex. The specially colored pitch will be the first of its kind and required special dispensation from FIFA, soccer's governing body.
 
The pitch is 100 percent grass, grown by TurfRite Labs, a Syracuse, NY-based agricultural laboratory. Dr. Chris Jones from TurfRite Labs has been working on the project for nearly two years: “When Mr. Pickens first approached us about growing orange grass we thought he was crazy. But it turns out not only was it possible, it actually has properties which make it perfect for bounce, performance and durability.”  According to Sheppard, depending on how the field responds to wear and tear, it will be donated back to OSU for the upcoming fall 2015 football season.
 
TurfRite was able to perform the feat by modifying the DNA strands in regular bermuda grass with orange enzymes found in carrots, oranges, and certain varieties of peppers. The grass took 11 months to grow, and was grown as an entire field in Stillwater before being transported to OneOk. The goal was to have it ready in time for the club's first USL game against OKC Energy FC, but the front office wanted to make sure it was the perfect length and durable enough to be transported to the stadium.
 
Head Coach David Irving thinks it may even give his team a tactical advantage, stating, “Our players will be virtually camouflaged against the pitch making it difficult for the opposition to spot them making runs. Imagine Andy Lorei or Adam Black slipping into the box unnoticed and unmarked. Lethal.”
 
The orange turf is just the latest in the club's mission to do things differently.  Sheppard continued, “I mean, orange is really our thing, man -  and this is really just the next step in our mission to "Paint Tulsa Orange.”

 


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on April 01, 2015, 11:51:49 am

Apr 01, 2015  12:30 PM CST

That is all...


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on April 01, 2015, 12:06:27 pm
(http://www.blogforiowa.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/boehner_drink_nrrw.jpg)

Will lead opening ceremonies.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: DolfanBob on April 01, 2015, 04:45:36 pm
Well they grow blue grass in Boise. Or is that Kentucky?  ;D


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: swake on April 01, 2015, 05:55:53 pm
This is a hybrid. This is a cross bluegrass, Kentucky bluegrass, featherbed bent, and northern California sinsemilla.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on April 01, 2015, 06:10:41 pm
This is a hybrid. This is a cross bluegrass, Kentucky bluegrass, featherbed bent, and northern California sinsemilla.

Play an entire game on it and then get blown to the bageeezus belt afterwards.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: swake on April 01, 2015, 06:15:39 pm
Play an entire game on it and then get blown to the bageeezus belt afterwards.

Which is nice.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Hoss on April 01, 2015, 06:37:06 pm
(http://cdn.hark.com/images/001/434/922/1434922/original.jpg)


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: swake on April 01, 2015, 08:00:29 pm
(http://www.sffl.comcastbiz.net/wpimages/wp0_wp0_wp0_wp0_wp0_wp931dc558.png)


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Conan71 on April 01, 2015, 08:42:26 pm
Some great Caddyshack memories right there!


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on April 01, 2015, 09:35:58 pm
ADVANCED NOTICE OF VERY IMPORTANT UPCOMING ANNOUNCEMENT FROM TULSA ROUGHNECKS FC!

ONEOK Will Install Orange Pitch Ahead Of Saturday’s Matchup Vs. Austin Aztex

Apr 01, 2015  12:30 PM CST



Nice April Fool's joke


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on April 14, 2015, 04:01:56 pm
Isn't it a better use to use the Drillers stadium rather than have two stadiums that only get used a fraction of the time?
It obviously worked the first time.
It just seems silly to build another stadium when we have so many underutilized ones already.   I guess as long as it isn't built with tax dollars....

Unfortunately, I think we're back in Field of Schemes territory.
I wish ONEOK would have been designed with both baseball and soccer in mind... but it wasn't.
I wish that the $25mil spent to downsize/modernize Chapman Stadium would have included a widened, soccer-friendly, multi-purpose field... but it wasn't.
And don't get me started on old Drillers Stadium... I think the county has no appetite to ever allow anyone to substantially update, modernize and/or expand it for soccer; truth be told, I still think they secretly salivate at the prospects of bulldozing it in favor of more surface parking for horse trailers and winnebagos.

John Klein: ONEOK Field holding up so far with 2 teams
Posted: Sunday, April 12, 2015 12:00 am
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/johnklein/john-klein-oneok-field-impact-nearly-million-in-years/article_722cccd0-a742-5cf4-b3b3-a701b456f7f8.html
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The Hubbards admitted they have looked into installing artificial turf at ONEOK Field, depending on how the field handles all of the use this summer.

“We’ve looked into it and we know the investment it would take from us,” Dale Hubbard said. “It would make the transition very easy between the sports and the use would not impact it.

“Still, that’s not anything we’ve decide to do or not to do. Let’s just say we’ve looked at it.”

Ideally, the Hubbards, and many Tulsa soccer fans, would love to have a soccer-specific stadium.

“We would love to have a stadium for the Roughnecks,” Jeff Hubbard said. “I think it would be a terrific addition to everything that is happening in downtown Tulsa.

“A soccer stadium would be perfect for a lot of things. Certainly, long term that’s something the city will have to consider for the long-term success of professional soccer in Tulsa."

Meanwhile, in Louisville....
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/soccer/louisville-city-fc/2015/04/10/study-louisville-best-suited-for-mls-not-nba/25572097/
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All along, it has been Estopinal's goal to build up a fan base in Louisville and take a similar leap up the US Soccer ladder. Of course, others are hoping to do the same. USL added 10 franchises this year, winding up with 24 in all.

One major obstacle involves building a soccer-specific stadium. Given what's happened this week, "It's definitely driven home we can't last long at Louisville Slugger Field," Estopinal said.

Would I like Major League Soccer someday in Tulsa?  Of course.  Some numbers don't lie.  

http://www.socceramerica.com/article/58225/english-fa-cup-audience-up-13-percent-on-fox.html
http://www.sbnation.com/2013/8/18/4633606/premier-league-improved-ratings-on-nbc-nbcsn
http://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2015/04/14/nbcsn-coverage-of-manchester-derby-ranks-as-most-watched-premier-league-match-in-u-s-cable-television-history/
http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/news/2015/04/09/market61.html
http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/news/2015/04/09/market50.html

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqjQ_jcQNRU[/youtube]


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TulsaRufnex on April 15, 2015, 09:10:31 am
Forgot one... top 10 tv markets for 2014 MLS Cup...  http://www.thebentmusket.com/commentary/2014/12/11/7377111/boston-providence-top-improved-tv-ratings-for-mls-cup-final-2014


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on April 15, 2015, 09:45:55 am
I am going tomorrow night.

I will be the hooligan in the orange shirt on the Margaritaville Deck.   


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Laramie on June 10, 2015, 03:58:21 pm
Tulsa is ripe for the MSL:

1. Population - 969,224  
2. Ownership -  ?
3. Facilities - new MLS-ready stadium (18,000 seats)  Cost range about $125 - $150 million.


Minor league soccer (NASL, USL) isn't always the best gauge to determine a city's potential to support any major league sport.   Those minor league numbers which are positive shouldn't be ignored.

Tulsa has a million population in its metro area.  An MLS style stadium would put you in 'consideration'  to obtaining an expansion or possible relocation (if available) franchise.  The geography of the MLS with teams in Denver, Kansas City & Dallas would favor Tulsa as a central location. MLS plans to expand by 4 teams (24) before 2020--the league could eventually be in 28 markets by 2025.   The league currently have larger markets (2 million metro) like Atlanta, Las Vegas, Minneapolis, Sacramento, St. Louis & San Antonio currently on their radar because they want to improve the TV media footprint nation wide.

Rochester was among the smaller markets that wanted an MLS entry.   A franchise in Oklahoma isn't as far fetched as you might think.  Oklahoma City is marginal & risky at best with the NBA in town.

Tulsa has the financial potential available with people who could form an ownership group.  The whole city would get behind soccer on the major league level.  Tulsa's rich history of the old NASL could be repeated on the MLS level.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: davideinstein on June 11, 2015, 01:13:09 pm
Roughnecks need to make a strong MLS run. We are demolishing OKC in attendance and we have two teams in town.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: davideinstein on June 11, 2015, 01:18:34 pm
By the way, Atlanta and Minneapolis are already going to MLS. The issue with Tulsa will be the franchise fee. I have zero doubt that we could fill the stands.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Laramie on June 12, 2015, 10:17:11 am
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  Major League Soccer (MSL) to Tulsa in 2020'

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Although minor league attendance is not always an accurate gauge, good attendance which is exhibited by the Tulsa Roughnecks FC shouldn't be overlooked along with its competition (Tulsa Athletics).  NASL Roughnecks of the late 70s & early 80s had averages of 12,000-16,000 to a high of 20,000 which is comparable to the MLS today.

Tulsa (969,224) has roughly 1 million in its metro area today which is an adequate base to support MLS.  Same concerns the NBA had with markets like Memphis (1,343,230), Oklahoma City (1,336,767). New Orleans (1,251,849) & Salt Lake City (1,153,340) which possess slightly over 1 million metro population.  NOLA supports both the NFL & NBA.  The million population markets in the NBA have shown they are capable thru their attendance and corporate support.   An MSL Tulsa Roughnecks franchise would gain name-recognition much like the NBA Thunder has done in OKC.


Roughnecks need to make a strong MLS run. We are demolishing OKC in attendance and we have two teams in town.

Good point!

Tulsa Roughnecks FC - 4-5-2
vs. Oklahoma City 03/28 - 8,335
vs. St. Louis 04/02 - 3,335
vs. Austin 04/04 - 5,067
vs. Seattle II  04/16 - 4,025
vs. Portland II  05/30 - 5,755  
Average Attendance = 5,303

In town competition:  TL - Tulsa Drillers attendance average 5,804
In town competition:  NPSL - Tulsa Athletics attendance average (?)

Oklahoma City Energy FC - 6-2-3  
vs. Seattle II 04/18 - 6,797
vs. St. Louis 04/25 - 4,383
vs.  Sacramento 05/23 - 3,717
vs. Austin 05/31 - 4,293
vs. Portland II - 3,133
vs. Vancouver II - 3,300
Average Attendance = 4,273

In town competition:  PCL - Oklahoma City Dodgers average attendance:  6,610

Sources:  

USL game stats:  http://www.uslsoccer.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=157014&SPSID=917141&DB_OEM_ID=32800&DB_OEM_ID=32800 (http://www.uslsoccer.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=157014&SPSID=917141&DB_OEM_ID=32800&DB_OEM_ID=32800)

PCL 2015 attendance:  http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_att&lid=112&sid=l112 (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_att&lid=112&sid=l112)

TL 2015 attendance:  http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_att&lid=109 (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_att&lid=109)

List of 381 largest Metro Area populations:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas)


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Laramie on June 13, 2015, 05:52:56 pm
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Oklahoma City Energy FC vs. Tulsa Roughnecks FC - 6/13/15 - Taft Stadium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MbnWzTiAJo4


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Jake on June 27, 2015, 07:59:42 pm
The Roughnecks kind of suck.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: davideinstein on June 28, 2015, 10:35:11 pm
The Roughnecks kind of suck.

They played the two best teams in USL this week. Jamieson, the guy who killed us last night, will be a star for the national team in a few years and the Republic are the defending champs. We're currently 11th in the West, but the latter half of the season has a much more favorable schedule. I think we'll compete for a playoff spot. Also, Mata is a great pick up for the team. I'll be there regardless, but the season is far from over.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: TeeDub on June 29, 2015, 07:16:11 am

Their home games (1-5-1) are worse than their away games (3-3-2.)

Probably means they need their own multi-million dollar stadium.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: Jake on June 29, 2015, 08:43:40 am
I understand this is their first year so I'm not distraught or anything. I'm just glad they exist. I enjoyed the game I went to and I like watching the games on YouTube.


Just stating that being 11th out of 12 team in the West isn't very good. We'll see how the rest of the season goes.


Title: Re: New Tulsa Roughnecks soccer logo for 2015 at ONEOK Park
Post by: davideinstein on June 29, 2015, 10:01:09 pm
I understand this is their first year so I'm not distraught or anything. I'm just glad they exist. I enjoyed the game I went to and I like watching the games on YouTube.


Just stating that being 11th out of 12 team in the West isn't very good. We'll see how the rest of the season goes.

It's awful, but we could win the next two and be in playoff contention. We'll see how this short break goes.