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Therein lies the danger in resurrecting an old brand.  Customers will rely on their taste memory from 30 years ago as a comparison. 

You could go directly from the original recipe and half the people would say it’s nowhere close to the original.

Shotgun Sam’s was pretty much like Crystals, I don’t recall anything that special about the food, it was just a fun place for families to go eat.

Therein lies the danger in resurrecting an old brand.  Customers will rely on their taste memory from 30 years ago as a comparison. 

You could go directly from the original recipe and half the people would say it’s nowhere close to the original.

Shotgun Sam’s was pretty much like Crystals, I don’t recall anything that special about the food, it was just a fun place for families to go eat.

It was more like Shakey's, to me.  Never did like Crystal's that much, but didn't seem to be that big a difference in taste, so maybe it was the ambience (sp?).  Always like SS building - "felt" comfortable.  Will have to try it - see if their "new Coke" is as good as the "old Coke"....

I still remember Shakey’s on Brookside.  We loved to go there.  Of course, my memory of 40 years ago swears it was the best cheese pizza ever. 

Here’s a nice piece on them plus one of their menus from the 1960’s on Batesline:

http://www.batesline.com/archives/2014/02/pizza-in-tulsa-shakeys-menu-summ.html

Went to Shakey's on Admiral - I think that eventually turned into a hamburger joint with phones at table for ordering...??  That plus Ken's at 15th and Sheridan (other side of street), and Shotgun Sam's was way too many choices for what we thought was good pizza.  Then there was the "new" King's Food Host at 31st and Sheridan....   Since the appetites were insatiable, we always had to pick up a lot of pop bottles to afford to eat....before going home for dinner!  (Jobs would cover car expenses and clothes - eating out and money for dates was supplied by pop bottles.)

Ma Bell’s is likely what you are remembering on Admiral.  I think they had another at 51st & Harvard, and maybe a third or fourth location.

King’s had phones in the booths as well.  My brother and I would sneak off and crank call the kitchen.  It would piss them off something terrible.

In my frog voice I used to do: “One fartburger please..."

No go for the opening time; city inspector didnt like the ceiling tiles.

King’s had phones in the booths as well.  My brother and I would sneak off and crank call the kitchen.  It would piss them off something terrible.

"mantality".

I never had those kind of problems with the Health Department.  Actually, they have been helpful with insight and information on how to not only make a safe food product, but how to approach/design/build the infrastructure.   I also knew enough to glue the wall panels soundly to the wall ahead of time - before inspection.  And the vent hood - well they gave me options, some of which were less rigorous than what I ended up with, just to make other design elements work better (related to makeup air flow to the space).

Due diligence in reading the code requirements would have told them that unpainted wood is not permitted, unless it is maple specifically designed for food contact.  And did the comment mean to say it was treated wood??  Just what I want in the food zone - chemically treated wood designed to kill stuff....

Was the place ready for operation 4 weeks ago?  (And if so, why not open then??)   If not, then no inspection is meaningful - it is required, by definition on the facility as intended to operate.  4 weeks ago that was probably not exactly how even they wanted to operate.

I was really looking forward to this opening....the apparent lack of attention to detail is disturbing, especially since ALL of these things are specifically defined in the code they should have read and paid attention to.   Cutting these corners leads to questions about what other corners have been cut?

I will try anything once.

Okay, Were re-opening A Major player restaurant in the Tulsa area. First we have to play the Tulsa City County Health Departments bull smile. They harass anyone and everyone that wants to legally get into the food business.

First you have to pay the Tulsa City County Health Department $250.00 for them to read a diagram of your floor plan. Then after they approve your plan they come out and inspect your business. Then you have to pay another $300.00 to the State Health Department and another $200.00 to them.

Then if you want to sell beer a connivence for your customers, you have to pay the State of Oklahoma $425.00 for a State Beer license and $250.00 to the Tulsa County Court Clerk.

So then the Good Old City of Tulsa Comes along (Extortion) at it's best.so now you have to pay the City of Tulsa bull smile license fee's of $68.00 for a beer license and another $60.00 for a so-called City license. Oh and this is the kicker you have to pay full price for the City license that expires in 30 days then pay it again. Then you have to go to the forth floor of City of Tulsa and pay another $150.00 for a freaking sign permit.

Then last but not least you have the good old fire marshal, Everyone loves the good old fire marshal and his extortion report. Because lord forbid if the building catches on fire everything they teach us will save our lives. I would rather keep some money and we will save our own lives.

These are true and correct figures that we have spent just to be able to open our doors. Damn near $1500.00 which is obsurd. What these dumb donkey's don't understand, Is the sooner were open, The sooner were paying sales tax...woohoo some more extortion.

This is the craziest smile I have ever seen.........

I never had those kind of problems with the Health Department.  Actually, they have been helpful with insight and information on how to not only make a safe food product, but how to approach/design/build the infrastructure.   I also knew enough to glue the wall panels soundly to the wall ahead of time - before inspection.  And the vent hood - well they gave me options, some of which were less rigorous than what I ended up with, just to make other design elements work better (related to makeup air flow to the space).

Due diligence in reading the code requirements would have told them that unpainted wood is not permitted, unless it is maple specifically designed for food contact.  And did the comment mean to say it was treated wood??  Just what I want in the food zone - chemically treated wood designed to kill stuff....

Was the place ready for operation 4 weeks ago?  (And if so, why not open then??)   If not, then no inspection is meaningful - it is required, by definition on the facility as intended to operate.  4 weeks ago that was probably not exactly how even they wanted to operate.

I was really looking forward to this opening....the apparent lack of attention to detail is disturbing, especially since ALL of these things are specifically defined in the code they should have read and paid attention to.   Cutting these corners leads to questions about what other corners have been cut?

Rant from his personal FB page.  How do you not realize there are permits and fees necessary to open any business, especially one that will sell food and beer?

He said the treated wood was being used to hold up the pop fountain, not a food surface.

I just enjoyed the rant.

hasn't there been a high turnover in that spot recently?
have they all been the same owner?

I know there have been a few "are you serious" things that have come up here and there on various projects.  But they get fixed and we moved on.  Things like ceiling tiles will be a grumble to fix.  Also a loose backsplash could get food behind it.

No, different owners.

Doing some research on the “face” of Shotgun Sam’s on OSCN reveals he’s still in litigation over the Knotty Pine in Broken Arrow.  $48,000 owed to a food vendor from Fort Smith for invoices dating from mid Dec. 2012 to the end of January in 2013.  I guess you could rack up that kind of food costs in a hurry, but I’d think a food service company would make a new stand-alone restaurant go COD to start or at least a much shorter leash on credit terms.

Appears they are also in on-going litigation over a franchise they purchased from Knotty Pine.  I don’t think the KP people are very brilliant business people since they only got $800 up front for the franchise fee then agreed to carry another $24,200 for 60 days until they opened.  In addition to defaulting on that note, it appears the franchisees were also derelict in paying their royalties, however, counterclaims sound as if the franchisors were ignorant about federal and Oklahoma laws regarding franchises and certain disclosures.  It’s also claimed that the franchisors did not supply promised training and other assistance.

Sounds like a huge friggin’ mess that happens when you get two parties together and neither knows what is going on.

If the food at the BA Knotty Pine is anything like the one in west Tulsa, it won’t be long for the world.

Exactly.

He comes off as a snipey tool who didn’t bother to read the code requirements.  You don’t simply file your papers with the health department and expect them out the next day.

What’s the over/under on how long this place lasts Heir?  +/- six months?

I am a little bit OCD

It’s CDO, damn it!

Not that I’m CDO or anything.

Good thread and good responses.

I worked in a McDonalds while in college. The owners were fanatical about cleanliness, food safety and image. The cooking area was surrounded by glass windows so the customers could see the food prepared. Employees with long hair had to wear hair nets and beards not allowed. Even so, the employees were often....less committed than the employers.

One of our grill cooks timed his burgers by counting the number of sweat droplets that fell off his nose onto the grill. We never ate the food when he was on duty.

Saw that yesterday and wondered if that was the same outfit.  Seems to be heavy on the west coast.

Now that he aired his dissatisfaction with the THD, I can see the reaction of the inspectors from the first round:
“In a hurry? I’ll get around to you in a week or month or two.”
Talk about biting the hand...

No, different owners.

Doing some research on the “face” of Shotgun Sam’s on OSCN reveals he’s still in litigation over the Knotty Pine in Broken Arrow.  $48,000 owed to a food vendor from Fort Smith for invoices dating from mid Dec. 2012 to the end of January in 2013.  I guess you could rack up that kind of food costs in a hurry, but I’d think a food service company would make a new stand-alone restaurant go COD to start or at least a much shorter leash on credit terms.

Appears they are also in on-going litigation over a franchise they purchased from Knotty Pine.  I don’t think the KP people are very brilliant business people since they only got $800 up front for the franchise fee then agreed to carry another $24,200 for 60 days until they opened.  In addition to defaulting on that note, it appears the franchisees were also derelict in paying their royalties, however, counterclaims sound as if the franchisors were ignorant about federal and Oklahoma laws regarding franchises and certain disclosures.  It’s also claimed that the franchisors did not supply promised training and other assistance.

Sounds like a huge friggin’ mess that happens when you get two parties together and neither knows what is going on.

If the food at the BA Knotty Pine is anything like the one in west Tulsa, it won’t be long for the world.

Health Department's response:
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Shotgun-Sams-reopening-stopped-by-health/fbexPkS-MUS69YBQ7uE2lA.cspx

Items of significance that were found to need correcting include: no hot or cold water at hand sinks, no hot water at prep sink, ceiling of walk in cooler caving in, condensate dripping water onto food stored in walk in cooler, a lot of needed caulking/sealing/painting throughout, equipment/floor/drains dirty with construction dust (things were not clean & ready to go), and inadequate lighting/unshielded light throughout. THD was unable to issue a license due to the results of the inspection.

Uh, that right there is one hell of a public health issue.  No telling how many potential customers he lost by going ballistic on THD.  What were they planning on using for hand sanitation?  Didn’t it register with anyone condensate dripping on food in the cooler is a hazard?

If they were still finishing up “construction” on what he claimed had been an on-going restaurant for 12 years and had passed inspections before, what have they been doing this whole time since they announced SSPP was going to re-open?

And one more thing, since when has London Square shopping center been in west Tulsa?  Anyone else catch that?

Uh, that right there is one hell of a public health issue.  No telling how many potential customers he lost by going ballistic on THD.  What were they planning on using for hand sanitation?  Didn’t it register with anyone condensate dripping on food in the cooler is a hazard?

If they were still finishing up “construction” on what he claimed had been an on-going restaurant for 12 years and had passed inspections before, what have they been doing this whole time since they announced SSPP was going to re-open?

And one more thing, since when has London Square shopping center been in west Tulsa?  Anyone else catch that?

This guy is a clown.  Here is the real list from that article - not the misrepresentations in his rant....


""Items of significance that were found to need correcting include: no hot or cold water at hand sinks, no hot water at prep sink, ceiling of walk in cooler caving in, condensate dripping water onto food stored in walk in cooler, a lot of needed caulking/sealing/painting throughout, equipment/floor/drains dirty with construction dust (things were not clean & ready to go), and inadequate lighting/unshielded light throughout. THD was unable to issue a license due to the results of the inspection. ""


And I also bet the health department will be more reasonable with him on re-inspection that he has been with them.

I'm cynical enough to believe that just because it is in the inspector's report doesn't make it true.  However, in this case, the owner's over the top response does not give him any credibility.  This is a place I will not bother to try in its to be short-lived life.

Now that we're talking about pizza places, I'm trying to remember the name of the pizza place that is the now defunct Vegas Club at 9100 E Admiral (now pretty much ground zero for the Admiral Flea Market).  I remember it being one when I lived there in the late seventies/early eighties:

http://goo.gl/nT7tqW

Now that we're talking about pizza places, I'm trying to remember the name of the pizza place that is the now defunct Vegas Club at 9100 E Admiral (now pretty much ground zero for the Admiral Flea Market).  I remember it being one when I lived there in the late seventies/early eighties:

http://goo.gl/nT7tqW

There was a Shakey’s on Admiral, not sure how far east.  

Edit: according to Batesline Shakey’s was at 9124 E. Admiral

Wonder how he feels about insurance for his business, and would love to be there the first time he get's Smooted.

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Any idea of the location of the first sign you posted?  Looks like more recent years based on the cars.  If I ever travel near one, I will have to give it a try for nostalgia’s sake.

Shakey's Pizza is a pizza restaurant chain based in the United States. The chain currently has about 500 stores globally, and about 60 in the United States.

History


Shakey's Pizza was founded in Sacramento, California, on April 30, 1954, by Sherwood "Shakey" Johnson and Ed Plummer. Johnson's nickname resulted from nerve damage following a bout of malaria suffered during World War II. The parlor opened on the first weekend, but since the pizza ovens were not yet completed,[1] only beer was served and Shakey took the profits from beer sales and bought ingredients for pizza the following Monday.

Shakey personally played dixieland jazz piano to entertain patrons. Shakey's initially became known outside Sacramento, not for its pizza, but for the jazz program it sponsored on a regional radio network. Shakey Johnson is honored in the American Banjo Museum in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, for his longtime use of banjo music at his pizza parlors. Other live music, including piano, was also a staple in the old Shakey's parlors.

The original store (a remodeled grocery store)[1] at 57th and J Streets in Sacramento remained in business until the mid-1990s.

Expansion

The second Shakey's Pizza Parlor opened in Beaverton, Oregon, in 1956. Shakey's opened their third parlor in Albany, Oregon, in 1959, which was the first building Shakey's actually owned and the first building to be built in the distinct building style for which Shakey's is known. It now operates as a used bookstore. According to Johnson, Shakey's Pizza engaged in little market research and made most of its decisions on where to locate stores by going where Kinney Shoes opened stores. By the time Johnson sold his interest in 1967, there were 272 Shakey's Pizza Parlors in the United States. The first international store opened in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, in 1968. By 1975, the company had expanded to the Pacific Rim, including Japan and the Philippines. There are now more branches in the Philippines (then under San Miguel Corporation) than in the United States.

Sale to Colorado Milling

Shakey Johnson sold his half of the company for $3 million to Colorado Milling and Elevator in 1967, which acquired Plummer's half for $9 million the next year.

Second sale

Shakey's was again sold, this time to Hunt International Resources in 1974. Two franchisees bought the chain in 1984 and they sold out to Inno-Pacific Holdings of Singapore in 1989. Most of the U. S. stores closed during the time Inno-Pacific owned the chain. Some of the remaining franchisees took Inno-Pacific to court in 2003.

Before this could come to trial, Shakey's was sold to Jacmar Companies of Alhambra, California, in 2004. Jacmar had been the franchisee of 19 Shakey's restaurants.

At the time Hunt International bought Shakey's in 1974, the restaurant chain had approximately 500 stores throughout the United States, including a store as far east as Cockeysville, Maryland.

As of November 1, 2013, there are 59 Shakey's Pizza restaurants in the U.S. 50 U.S. locations are in California (all but one in Southern California), and the remainder are located in Auburn, Alabama; Homestead, Florida; Waipahu, Hawaii; Renton, Washington; Pasco, Washington; and Spokane, Washington.[2] There are three locations in Mexico.

Uh, that right there is one hell of a public health issue.  No telling how many potential customers he lost by going ballistic on THD.  What were they planning on using for hand sanitation?  Didn’t it register with anyone condensate dripping on food in the cooler is a hazard?

After reading some of the replies on KRMG and KOTV's sites, everyone can't wait for the place to open and that they don't serve grease dripping pizza. A lot of them say they can't wait to have that delicious pizza from their youth. (Wonder how many sardine pizzas they sell.)

On the +/-, I give it 9 months.

Yeah...that's why I pasted that list in the note.  And said he's a clown....

His place is a real mess.  And he is the Knotty Pine guy, too, huh?

Yup.

Didn’t you say you thought Action Erection BBQ was trying to use or were using some recipes from KP?

She won't give it up though.

Yup.

Didn’t you say you thought Action Erection BBQ was trying to use or were using some recipes from KP?

Some of it was sure close if not the same....

One of their huge issues even beyond the carpy food was the smoking by employees in the back part of the building, just in front of the door to the kitchen.  Could not believe it....

Reviews on urbanspoon and facebook foreshadow a very short-lived operation... at least under current management.

Their Facebook page is a rolling train wreck.

I love the owner’s attempts at being an amateur attorney as well: “Ms. Robinson, you are getting close to liable slander, you better cease and desist."

Their Facebook page is a rolling train wreck.

I love the owner’s attempts at being an amateur attorney as well: “Ms. Robinson, you are getting close to liable slander, you better cease and desist."

Tulsa's own Amy's Baking Company

The memes are endless with those two:

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Is it me or does anyone else think she's kinda hot? Except for being full on insane.  ;D

Is it me or does anyone else think she's kinda hot? Except for being full on insane.  ;D

Hmm, same cavalier flaunting of health codes...

“I got the recipes from Ken Selby (founder of Ken’s Pizza and Mazzio’s) before he passed away,” Rice said. “He had spent some time at Shotgun Sam’s.

Founded in 1961 by school teacher Ken Selby, who ran his new business virtually alone and after teaching a full day as well.

Four years later in 1965 Selby made pizza his full-time job. He opened a second location, which exceeded the success of his first. Plus, the name changed to Ken's Pizza that solidly branded Selby's popular special recipe sauce and thin crust. By 1975, the links of his two starting stores steadily grew to a strong chain of over 100 company and franchise locations, inside and outside of Oklahoma.

In the late 70's. Selby conceived a new business approach. His idea called for more square footage of casual dining space, an expanded menu, thicker pizza served with much more meats and cheeses, sub sandwiches along with a salad bar.

I wonder where he gets his above-the-law attitude?

http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/scenelatest/shotgun-sam-s-pizza-palace-opens-in-london-square/article_6a28f86e-74b2-584d-8422-0d82d4b19dbf.html

Tulsan Doug Jones founded Shotgun Sam’s in August 1967. Tom Winslow soon joined as a partner, and the late Raymond King, who owned the buildings, later was added to the ownership group.

As figured, the claim about getting recipes from Ken Selby was completely bogus.  If Tom Winslow and Doug Jones are still alive, why wouldn’t you get the recipes from them instead of from someone who apparently never even worked at Shotgun Sam’s?

This guy sounds like a pathological liar. 

I would think all the someones in the Selby family would be pissed.  

This guy is really.... well, just really...!!



But you know you're gonna have to try the pizza at least once.... it is said to be Shotgun Sam's!

That can be your class project.  Try it and report back.  I don’t care to be the guinea pig.

May have to.  Hey,...I gots to know...    (channeling Dirty Harry)

That's Albert Popwell you're channeling.

Pizza Place for sale soon. Probably at a cheap price.

Take a look at their FB page this morning.  The two most recent comments were a photo of the bottom of a Colt 45 pizza.  Burnt to a crisp and the guy didn’t want to return it because the owner was such a jackass.  Second comment was from someone who said it didn’t stack up to the original.  Just as predicted, people expect something to resemble a taste or texture memory from 30+ years ago. 

Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!

Ichi-ban on 41st barely west of Memorial has the most memorable (best to me) teri-yaki sauce that I have run across.  Seldom get to go there any more due to scheduling conflicts, but if get near, I always stop in.

The peanut dressing on the salad is also pretty memorable.   My father managed to make a decent copy using peanut butter.

And you haven't posted it because...???


Got a lead on the teri-yaki sauce?   I have tried to duplicated it and have made some very good sauces in the process, but not THAT one....  the quest continues!

Play with it and have fun.

There are so many variations on Teriyaki.

A good base recipe will have a base of soy sauce, some sort of sweetener like brown sugar or molasses, honey, garlic, ginger, either a rice wine, rice wine vinegar, mirin, or miso.

Some wild cards that could be used to enhance it could be pineapple juice or tamarind.

Play with it and have fun.

Tamarind (paste) seems to be good...have only used it once or twice, but liked the results....

Yeah, there is an infinite variety - and a LOT of really good ones out there that I like really well...I have 3 versions that I enjoy quite a bit...the molasses and touch of honey is a part of all 3.  Still love the Ichi-ban version... what I am afraid of is that it would turn out to be corn syrup, a little molasses, some soy and that's about it....it tastes like it should be more complex than that, but have been surprised before.


Who woulda thought equal parts prepared yellow mustard and grape jelly would be as good as it is...??  (For little smokey's)
Or just a simple mix of equal parts ketchup and mustard for sloppy joes...?

Since we are completely off-topic...

I make a glaze for chicken that is half orange marmalade and half Russian dressing.

It inspires song.

And how, pray tell, is this anywhere off topic??  Have you not heard of grilled teri-yaki chicken pizza??   I plan to recommend it to Shotgun Sam's when I go try it....


That sounds yummy, by the way....

With all the negative posts on the Facebook page. I'm not sure how he is able to keep the local media in his hip pocket but somehow he does.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/weekend/foodreview/review-shotgun-sam-s-pizza-palace-seeks-to-re-create/article_8f648ec5-a00f-5e71-9097-549cc62e6cb5.html

Owners/Investors speak out in defense of their General Manager Jim Rice. Some months back when deciding to put together this new venture of an old iconic restaurant it was a very trying feat.
 Unless you have ever owned a restaurant or ran one, you have no clue of the hurdles and things headed your way. That's why we chose Jim Rice.
 First of all choosing a General Manager, it has to be someone of a very strong back ground and someone that knows the food industry. Someone that is impeccably honest and reliable. The first year will make or break a restaurant if you have someone in management that might not be honest and steal from you! This is why we chose Jim Rice. If the POS system shows at the end of the night there's suppose to be $3,000.00 in the register that's how much is in there. When it comes to having the ability to order quality food from local food vendors, Jim does that well too. Then there's the issue of handling employee's, The taxes and the Tax Commission, City and State Licensing. Bank processing issues. Employees stealing or not showing up for work. These are just a few things that a general manager has to face every day and deal with.
 We have talked with Jim's current and past employee's and all of them say they wouldn't work for no one else. Jim served his Country in the United States Marine Corps, And was a long time Police Officer before retiring and getting into the restaurant business. When we embarked on this endeavor, We chose Jim for all these reasons. And we have read all the things on these restaurant reviews about Jim or the owner of Shotgun Sam's being rude. First of all I take several issues with these statements. We have security cameras at the restaurant and can see and hear all transactions that take place at the register. We have seen several issues where people that are upset because they have had to wait for their Pizza for 45 minutes or an hour they come to the register mad. We have seen where customers are down right rude to Jim because he has no control over the timing of cooking the Pizza's. Here's why I'm defending my General Manager. The first 10 days of opening they were cooking over 600 Pizza's a day. Because of the fact that everyone wanted to be there at the first of the opening there was over 100 to 150 people an hour wanting to try the new Shotgun Sam's Pizza Palace. Some people say we should have expected that. We expected that it was going to be popular and we wanted to try the best to accommodate everyone. Maybe that was a mistake. Had we only let 81 people in at a time and turned all others away, that would have been unpopular too. We made the best decision we could to try to serve everyone. What I'm telling you is our General manager is not a snob or rude to our Customers. We have it on Video. We have read all kinds of statements on all kinds of sites that are just simply untrue. From the Pizzas are blown dry cooked to pre made dough. The Truth to all these untruthful remarks about the quality of our Pizza is so far from the truth it's not even funny.
 We get a truck from Roma foods that supplies the ingredients for our Pizzas EVERY DAY. Our ingredients are delivered fresh every day to our restaurant. We have a kitchen manager that usually has to get up every morning at 5:00 AM to go to the restaurant to meet the truck and receive our delivery of fresh food for the day.
 We store nothing or freeze nothing prepared that day the Pizzas are made. We go to extremes to make sure our Pizzas taste the way they do. So yes when we have hard working employee's getting up at 5:00AM to attempt to provide the public with the best Pizza in the market area, yes it's time to speak out on behalf of our General Manager.
 Then we have watched videos where people have came to the register mad because it's took longer than expected for their pizza to be prepared.
 If I ran 150 in any restaurant in Tulsa in a 15 to 30 minute time period there would be well over and hour wait time for the food. No restaurant could perform in a timely manner under these conditions, however we did the best we could.
 In the past three weeks we estimate by sales records and some actual day to day counting we have served over 5,000 people in three weeks. We have cooked and sold 6500 Pizzas. And I'm sure our count is not exact. So if we have sold 6500 Pizzas and over 5,000 people have visited our restaurant that's and average of about 240 people a day or more. That's a lot of people to try to never have a service failure. I read one person comment that Mr. Rice used the excuse of needing an additional gas line installed. It's not an excuse. When we chose this location, it was for several reasons one because it's been a restaurant for several years. Unknown to us at the time the center has 3/4 inch gas lines to the Kitchen. We have two big Pizza ovens that needs more gas then 3/4 inch lines can provide. This leaving Mr. Rice with the issue to solve. Mr. Rice has worked with ONG on a solution to solve this issue as fast as possible. So we can get our second oven up and running. This is due to the Center being over 30 years old and having smaller gas lines. None of which could have been foreseen at the time. I recieved a call from a owner yesterday of another well known Pizza restaurant in town, that the owner took his daughter to Shotgun Sam's last Friday night. He stated the Pizza was excellent and so was the service. We feel after all things considered, the fact that Mr. Rice is a Mason and a Shriner and devotes countless hours to taking care of children in need, Mr. Rice is no snob. Matter of fact if you would contact Pastor Kenneth Hagin at Rhema Bible Church you'll find that Jim has a very big heart. That and many reasons more is why we feel that these post are unfair and biased towards our management staff. My final and last stance in my defending my choice of our General Manager. A customer comes in has dinner eats all his Pizza and gets on our Facebook page and posts a negative remark about our restaurant and General Manager because we don't have Shotgun Sam's printed on our to go boxes. As we can see this person knows nothing about starting a new restaurant. All restaurants start out with generic paper goods. It takes about 6 weeks to get them printed. We just don't understand how a name on a box can effect the quality of our food? Again we feel we have a quality product and a good management team in place. We are sorry if we fell short of anyone's expectations and ask that you please try us again and get to know Jim Rice. Then if we don't make you happy, we will concede. Thank you for taking the time to read our post.

 Gary Smith Senior Investor

https://www.facebook.com/shotgunsamspizzapalace
Sweet meltdown again today on facebook. Took 8 screen shots to get the whole thing.  Don't have time to post it but worth a look.. They are the ABC of Tulsa.  You guys were right.

POS. I don't think that means what you think that means.

POS. I don't think that means what you think that means.

(FYI,  just found out that the spell check on here doesn't know "entendre")

FYI, here = your browser

Wonder how long before they call in one of these two for help?

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Pretty optimistic to already have Santa booked for an appearance in December. I have zero confidence that it will happen.

Even as stupid as it made him appear, at least he should have left it just to show the "strength of his convictions"....

Who is that investor guy??  Gary Smith...   Does he have other restaurants it would be well to avoid??

In one of the posts someone put a link to Irvine's show and how to apply...wait, that wasn't you was it?   ;D

He’s impressed with the GM’s integrity and honesty.  If he only knew...

And 6500 pizzas in three weeks?  Out of that slow kitchen?  I call a serious case of Bravo Sierra.

300 pizza's a day does seem off doesn't it? Not saying it can't be done, but with the reported wait times, only one set of ovens working, and depending on the capacity and type of oven which could be 8 or 12 pies, it just doesn't seem realistic.

Pretty optimistic to already have Santa booked for an appearance in December. I have zero confidence that it will happen.

This Lady started this page over four years ago and was going to turn the page over to the new owner of Shotgun Sams. But it looks like after all the negative posts that came flooding to her page. She has since changed the name to say Nostalgic and has shut off the comments. A few people have tried to get her to explain why, but she does a pretty good job of dancing around the reason. I can only guess why. How bout you?

https://www.facebook.com/shotgunsamsnostalgic

He pulled the post. Finally listened to the commentators. Countdown to the next meltdown begins in 5, 4, 3.......

I haven't gone through every page in this thread. But has any of the regulars in this forum been there yet? Or eaten the pizza?

Ate there yesterday for the 3rd time.!st pizza was good service was bad. 2nd service was better and pizza good. 3rd Was greeted when we walked in the door.20 min and we had pizza in front of us.Love the thin crust.

Sounds like they are gaining on it.  Now if they will just muzzle the GM and get another face for the front of the house, they might survive.

Maybe... Pi Place didn't have bad pizza but I don't think it was going very well.

No one will ever really know since the idiot was brewing 3.2+ beer and that got them locked down for good.  How was their beer?

He was wrong for doing that, but the real idiots are the ones that only allow Bewpubs to brew to 3.2.

That goes without saying.  I’d really be curious how much ABLE and their archaic laws cost Oklahoma in development and tourism dollars every year.  

Small government providing the business friendly circumstances needed to make everyone successful in Oklahoma right?

an order five screw drivers or drink 7 or 8 pints of an 8% ABV imperial stout then slosh out to my car and weave home.

That aside, I think of what our laws could be:

On my way back from a sales call in SW Missouri, I visited one of the breweries I sold a boiler to over in Rogers, Arkansas last week (Ozark Beer).  They have a beer garden and serve pints on the weekends.  You can purchase kegs, growlers, and squealers on-site and can have your growlers re-filled seven days per week.  He’s working on getting a food truck or two to show up on weekends to feed the people in the beer garden.  The owner told me that between the 45 retail accounts he services (directly no less) and his sales from the brewery that within six months of opening, he’s at max capacity.

Super nice fellow with an interesting back-story.

http://ozarkbeercompany.com/?age-verified=a47e6f2453

Conan, how's the beer?  Headed to NWA for a guy's weekend next month.

Any on-line review should be taken with more than a grain of salt. Some content sites pay for reviews.

OPPS! I can't believe he would lie about the recipes being original.  ::)

http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/food/shotgun-sam-s-pizza-palace-founders-recall-the-early-days/article_703d2291-441e-58d1-9777-bfd301df6c80.html

Quote ~ “No one else has ever used our recipes or is using our recipes,” Jones added. “It’s just not possible.”

They posted a pretty entertaining response on Facebook.

Now they are saying their page was hacked.

Now they are saying their page was hacked.

Shotgun Sam's Pizza Palace

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Some how someone has hacked our Shotgun Sams Page and is deleting all our positive reviews and messages. I have changed my password to stop this cowardly act....

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Shotgun Sam's Pizza Palace For some odd reason Facebook has taken it up on themselves to delete comments from our page, This is being done without our permission or knowledge......

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Shotgun Sam's Pizza Palace We have contacted Facebook via our message, and have been told that our page is being reviewed by Facebook teams for Facebook violations daily. We messages back and ask them why and they stated they have had several complaints about threatening and slanderous comments. We would think we would have to report that, However it looks like anyone can....... Were sorry if your posts have been deleted good or bad.......

I wonder if there's a market for over the top reviews with stratospheric levels of sarcasm:

Until yesterday, the best pizza on this planet was made by my friend Anthony's Italian grandmother. The lines on her face matched her gnarled, wrinkled hands. Age and arthritis made kneading the dough somewhat painful, but the love and joy on her face more than made up for it. All the ingredients came from her village there in the foothills of the Appenines: five cheeses including a lightly smoked mozzarella that was highly sought after throughout all of Italy, vegetables fresh from the family garden, and wild mushrooms she'd harvested herself. It was heaven.

But that was the past. Yesterday, I had pizza from Shotgun Sams. Granted, it was cold and the grease was congealed, almost cementing the pizza and its cardboard box into a solid lump there at the bottom of the dumpster. The ants only added a crunchy piquancy that complemented the stale crust and went quite well with a bottle of Skiatook Bordeaux. All in all, I highly recommend this pizza to my fellow bohemians and dumpster divers because it seems that every box has only one or two pieces missing, giving it both charm and value!

Shotgun Sam's Pizza Palace We have contacted Facebook via our message, and have been told that our page is being reviewed by Facebook teams for Facebook violations daily. We messages back and ask them why and they stated they have had several complaints about threatening and slanderous comments. We would think we would have to report that, However it looks like anyone can....... Were sorry if your posts have been deleted good or bad.......

Being watched by Facebook daily? Hilarious

All the good posts were deleted? Not likely.

Didn't you know? Facebook, the Obama administration, and the Trilateral Commission can delete posts at will. The only way to see them is to wear one of these lovely tinfoil hats, available at a nominal fee in the lobby.

Documenting the Downfall of Shotgun Sam's.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152386232354431.1073741829.341079999430&type=1

Okay, that’s a bit on the creepy, stalker, obsessive side.

They're certainly entitled to protect their brand, but it appears they systematically delete negative comments. I think that shows a disregard for their customers since most businesses look at negative reviews as revealing weaknesses and pointing out areas for improvement.

The General Manager posted this a few hours ago. ~ I have some serious health issues going on and might even have to sell my business.

No competent business partners to run the business while he takes care of his health issues?

There should be a special Godwin for using the word “competent” in a Shotgun Sam’s thread.

Okay, that’s a bit on the creepy, stalker, obsessive side.

Badger, welcome aboard.  Please hang out and post for awhile.  We might argue amongst ourselves and throw verbal barbs at each other, but deep down we all have a respect for everyone else’s opinion. 

I always thought Shotgun Sam was just a knock off of Yosemite Sam

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And now Shotgun Sam’s is just a cheap knock-off of, get this, Shotgun Sam’s!

It has been deleted, but the other day a former employee left a review citing the employees weren't paid when they were supposed to be and got pay cuts without notice. He also called Jim Rice a pervert for the way he acts around his female employees.

You just can't script this stuff. I'm going off the rails on this "Crazy Train" ~ Ozzy Osbourne.

 This grumble that works for the health departments name is Megan, she's the biggest piece of smile I have seen in a long long time. She's a disgrace as a human being and is a lieing piece of crap. She came in today at the busy time of our day while we were making pizzas and wrote us up because the meat was two degrees out of temperature because we had the lids open on the reach in to make Pizzas. She made us throw all our meat away because she said it was out of temperature. When I went back to check it later it was sitting at 35 degrees where it's suppose to be. Her making us throw away $400.00 worth of food shut us down for the day. Health inspectors have too much authority and not enough brains. Then she walked up too me and said do you want to read all this, and I said no not really. She said well I need you to sign it. I told her then I wasn't signing smile. So my kitchen manager went and signed it. Megan if you are reading this I think you are a disgusting ugly excuse for a woman. And I hope I never see your stupid donkey ever again......

Sorry folks, these people are out of control, They think they are cops running around threatening to write tickets and shutting business's down. This Megan chick is a real piece of crap. She thinks she's cute, but I doubt she could win third place at a dog show!!! I have a surprise for her next time she shows up. Following my attorney's advice..

The Tulsa County Health Department doesn't have a very good name in Tulsa in the restaurant industry. And I can see why with Inspectors like this dip smile Megan girl. This girl really thinks she's hot smile. If I had a dog that looked like her, I would shave it's donkey and make it walk backwards, She's just an ugly person inside and out. I have an idea that I think will work the next time she shows up. We'll see.

Has any fellow Restaurant owners had any issues with a City County Health Inspector named Megan. She's a real low life. Please hit me up with your experiences with this piece of crap....

11-25; 11-24; - No soap or paper towels in back employee restrooms.  (This is how pathogens like hepatitis is spread)

5-60; - Bags of opened meats in refrigerator not date labeled. CDI-labeled.

7-82a; - Several utensils; spatula, scoop, measuring cup, rolling pin, metal and plastic insert pans, dirty but stored as clean.// Pop and tea nozzles dirty with buildup.// Can opener blade dirty with caked on food waste. CDI-moved to be washed.
 
Floor dirty under and around pizza oven, under refrigerators, and under make tables.// Floor dirty under deep freezers in back store room.// Several items stored on floor in store room, restricting cleanability.// Wall dirty around hand sinks.// Wall dirty around mop sink.// Floor and floor drain under 2-vat prep sink dirty with buildup and food waste.// Floor drain under mop sink dirty.// Sanitizer under dish machine stored on floor, restricting cleanability.//

Hand sinks dirty with ice and food waste. NOTE: HAND SINKS ARE FOR HANDWASHING ONLY.// Hand sink next to pizza make table blocked by trash can and speed rack.

Wet stacking of plastic and metal pans.// Plastic cups stored in back store room on dirty table, not protected.// Pizza pans on floor in back store room.// Using a scoop with no handle in yeast container.

Several single service items throughout facility not covered or protected, beer cups, to go boxes, cutlery, etc.// Pizza boxes stored on floor.

Fly swatters stored above/around food items.

Jim and Tabitha working without food handler cards.

NFW I’d eat there.  The place is basically a pig stye and there’s no regard to food safety and sanitation, yet the owner thinks the health department is nothing but jack boot nazis.  Has he ever taken responsibility for anything?

Everywhere you go there are going to be violations like this....If you went and looked into the kitchens of most places you eat..You would never eat out again.....

Today I'm having a meeting with Bruce Dart the director of the Tulsa County Health Department. I'm anxious to meet him. He seems like a very smart person with a lot of common sense. Were going to have a great meeting I'm sure.

here's Wednesday's harassing inspection (http://tulsa.ok.gegov.com/_templates/125/Food%20Inspection/_report_full.cfm?ispub=1&inspectionID=1027297&parentTableName=tblInspection&dsn=DHD_125&domainid=125)

Everywhere you go there are going to be violations like this....If you went and looked into the kitchens of most places you eat..You would never eat out again.....

It's primarily the attitude of the owners that does it for me.
Their reaction should be:
OMG!  we need to get this stuff taken care of.

Instead, we get a public rant about how their pre-cooked meats don't need to be kept at temperature and how the rules don't apply to them... they're merely suggestions.    Complaints to the health department (if there actually are complains) were made by faceless cowards.  Derogatory names for customers and health inspectors.

Seriously, where's Gordon Ramsay when you need him.

Everywhere you go there are going to be violations like this....If you went and looked into the kitchens of most places you eat..You would never eat out again.....

Everywhere you go there are going to be violations like this....If you went and looked into the kitchens of most places you eat..You would never eat out again.....

Everywhere you go there are going to be violations like this....If you went and looked into the kitchens of most places you eat..You would never eat out again.....

Man, you guys called this train wreck a long time ago.

This is like the Sauerkraut of eating establishments.

It almost seems made up.

35 minutes ago.

Jim Peters Rice Were back open come and see us

How about when hell freezes over? Does that work for everyone? We'll have a TulsaNow lunch.  ::)

We'd need to make it Tuesday...Closed Mondays.  Think the lights'll still be on?

How about when hell freezes over? Does that work for everyone? We'll have a TulsaNow lunch.  ::)

You just can't script this stuff. I'm going off the rails on this "Crazy Train" ~ Ozzy Osbourne.

 This grumble that works for the health departments name is Megan, she's the biggest piece of smile I have seen in a long long time. She's a disgrace as a human being and is a lieing piece of crap. She came in today at the busy time of our day while we were making pizzas and wrote us up because the meat was two degrees out of temperature because we had the lids open on the reach in to make Pizzas. She made us throw all our meat away because she said it was out of temperature. When I went back to check it later it was sitting at 35 degrees where it's suppose to be. Her making us throw away $400.00 worth of food shut us down for the day. Health inspectors have too much authority and not enough brains. Then she walked up too me and said do you want to read all this, and I said no not really. She said well I need you to sign it. I told her then I wasn't signing smile. So my kitchen manager went and signed it. Megan if you are reading this I think you are a disgusting ugly excuse for a woman. And I hope I never see your stupid donkey ever again......

Sorry folks, these people are out of control, They think they are cops running around threatening to write tickets and shutting business's down. This Megan chick is a real piece of crap. She thinks she's cute, but I doubt she could win third place at a dog show!!! I have a surprise for her next time she shows up. Following my attorney's advice..

The Tulsa County Health Department doesn't have a very good name in Tulsa in the restaurant industry. And I can see why with Inspectors like this dip smile Megan girl. This girl really thinks she's hot smile. If I had a dog that looked like her, I would shave it's donkey and make it walk backwards, She's just an ugly person inside and out. I have an idea that I think will work the next time she shows up. We'll see.

Has any fellow Restaurant owners had any issues with a City County Health Inspector named Megan. She's a real low life. Please hit me up with your experiences with this piece of crap....

I can practically guarantee that it's going to be a "great meeting," indeed.   :D

So I'm going to try to be a better business owner and work with my health inspector to reach a common goal.

Apparently it was...  From Friday:

Over/under on how long that lasts?

Still open?  ::)

Went by there ans a sign on the door ,closed for sickness

Went by there ans a sign on the door ,closed for sickness

The General Manager posted this a few hours ago. ~ I have some serious health issues going on and might even have to sell my business.

Had to go look for it but not a direct reference to what the health issue is, is this the cause of the "temporary" closing?

The General Manager posted this a few hours ago. ~ I have some serious health issues going on and might even have to sell my business.

Had to go look for it but not a direct reference to what the health issue is, is this the cause of the "temporary" closing?

With all the anger in there, can't imagine why it's not working right.

Seriously, dude needs to learn to relax.

Food poisoning?

Obligatory rimshot (http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot&play=true)

in seriousness, I hope the guy recovers / relaxes / steps away from his business

/Takes an English class

He's an idiot.....

Speaking of pizza...

What became of all the Top-That pizza spam this forum was treated too?

For the record, I wish poor health on nobody. That being said, the business is closed because management/ownership has run off more customers, potential customers, and employees than you have endeared to your establishment. Sadly, this is a failure and the business will not reopen under current management because there are no employees left, very few customers left, and no management that are apparently trusted enough to keep it running. I hope someone purchases the name rights that knows how to run a restaurant, is honest, and provides outstanding customer service.

"injection" fraction?

I get very defensive when people talk smack about my employees. They were very hard working an dedicated people.

Jim Peters Rice:  I will Never have a business again where I have to have employees, NEVER!!!!

Rusty Hunter:  How come?

Jim Peters Rice:  Because all the employees I have hired are only concerned about two things? How much do I make an hour and what days off do I have. They care Nothing about working.....

Linda Jones:  Not everyone is like that Jim.

Jim Peters Rice:  Just most of them they were very unappreciative of their job that I was providing for them stealing and damaging stuff. Most and I mean most of the employees I had were scum bags. Probably had two or three good ones out of the whole bunch

Linda Jones:  You need to screen them better. Find someone with good character.

Jim Peters Rice:  Linda have you ever invested a $120,000 in opening a business for these s*** heads to come in a deliberately damage things burn pizzas and just generally not give a s***.??.?

Linda Jones:  No I can only imagine how frustrating that must be. Are you going to open SAMs again? Check your backgrounds better this time.

Jim Peters Rice:  I have sold it. Doctors are saying no employees...

Linda Jones:  Oh ok. You do need to reduce your stress with your condition.

To summarize:  It's the fault of the employees, his health problems, his dentist, and his customers.

I think his biscuits are burning.

You forgot the health inspector

I have been dealing with the biggest low life on Facebook. His name is Robert Tucker, Look him up on OSCN. He's like a 5 or 6 time felon. He's been arrested for a little bit of everything. Impersonating a Police Officer he's told people he's a lawyer he's got 5 or 6 case of selling Securities without a license which I'm sure he's done.
He bilked several people out of money for investments to Romar Foods that he claimed he owned Knotty Pine Barbeque which was also a lie. Robert is a CON Man to say the least. His Story this week was he was trying to Bilk a guy named Joe Bickford from Claremore out of $80,000 to buy me out on my Pizza Business. His been stringing us all on for three weeks with his lies. Please Please don't anyone have any business or Personal dealings with this guy. Look him up on OSCN and you can read all the bull s*** he's been arrested for and needs to be in prison for....
Robert Tucker from Tulsa a Genuine Piece of S***....

So $80,000 is what it'll go for?

Good point!  How could I have forgotten Megan?

BREAKING NEWS!  I guess Jimmy Rice hadn't really sold the restaurant yet... he was getting strung along by a weaselly conman... copied directly and obviously cleaned up for the forums:

Whether it's true or not, this is hilarious.   :D

Good point!  How could I have forgotten Megan?

BREAKING NEWS!  I guess Jimmy Rice hadn't really sold the restaurant yet... he was getting strung along by a weaselly conman... copied directly and obviously cleaned up for the forums:

Whether it's true or not, this is hilarious.   :D

Look up Rice on OSCN and see how many people he screwed with his towing company and in “franchising” the Broken Arrow Knotty Pine.  He refused to pay the owners of KP their franchise fees as agreed and stiffed one of their food purveyors something along the lines of $50K.  Then he left his wife to clean up the mess.  Dude is a total walking cluster.

I guess it takes a con man to know a con man.

Sorry to announce Shotgun Sam's will not be re-opening!!! The person we trusted was simply a con man. He strung us on for three weeks saying he was going to get the money!! It was all a con game that Robert E.Tucker has played and knows too well. Thousands and thousands of people has told me in the past that he was a pathological liar but I didn't want to believe them.

Look him up on Offender lookup on the Oklahoma Department of Corrections where he's spent time in the pen before. And hopefully headed there again.

Just to tell you some short names of people he's bilked money from and attempted fraud upon. The Woodards owners of Knotty Pine LLC. Several differant people he's sold phony Securities to without a license.

If you look him up on oscn you will see he's was charged and convicted for con game and defrauding an elderly and vaunerable person out of $35,000 this is one of the same person he told he was a licensed lawyer. The guy is a pathological liar.

I was one of the few people in Tulsa that trusted him and Everytime someone said he was a con man I would stand up and say you just don't know the guy. Was I ever wrong on this one. The guy is a genuine piece of s***...

His picture or Mug Shot should I say is on my Facebook page. NEVER NEVER have any dealings with this Jerk. He lies soooooooo much that he actually believes his own lies........

It 's ok things like Karma happens to people like Robert Tucker. It always happens and his will come....

All right... looks like Shotgun Sam's is gone for good after less than four months of operation.  It's a real loss to the world of Tulsa cuisine.

At fault:  Everyone and everything except Jimmy Rice.
Not at fault:  Jimmy Rice.

...kind of the same thing Schlotsky's did with their bread....no idea what they did, but it is different now.

I glad it isn't just me!  My daughter is a super-picky eater.  Hates hamburgers, etc.   The other day I took her to the Schlotsky's on 41st.  She actually liked it, but I hadn't been to a Schlotsky's in years and was really disappointed in the bread.  Not sure exactly what is different, but it's just not as good as I remember it.

I made comment over a year ago about it - can't remember when, but it's rattling around here somewhere - and many can't seem to tell the difference, but I started eating their sandwiches in Dallas back in the 70's and was happy when they finally came to town.  Then flopped and left for many years.  And then came back again much later....

It is NOT the same bread.

But they got Cinnabon!!

I don't know what they used to do with the bread - or do today with it, either - but the "mental image" I always had was a kind of combination sourdough/soda bread.  Wasn't exactly sourdough, but it also wasn't exactly soda bread.  Probably neither...?

I have played around with it a little bit, but never really got close to the old flavor/texture they used to have.  Have done a combined sourdough/soda bread thing and it didn't really quite have that little 'tang' the bread used to have.  And I can't get the air bubbles just right - haven't done enough testing to figure out exactly where the whipping of liquids should occur in the process.   Just had the thought - maybe a dash touch of vinegar in the dough?

And the online clones never have the right "look".  There is something missing - even from the restaurant version now - that should be in there. 

Mrs. C played around with the recipe and got really close to the way it is today, but it’s an asspain so she rarely makes them.  Here’s an online recipe which claims to be close:

http://www.thehungryhoarder.com/2012/07/16/schlotzskys-sourdough-bread-copycat/

Before parent company FOCUS Brands Inc. began their Schlotzsky’s-Carvel-Cinnabon tri-branding,

How long ago was that?

Few years ago.  Saw something about it on wiki....

And have been to one in Moore this summer and they had cinnabon.

'96 or '97 I think. That's when they started coming back with the set up they have now. The first one back in Tulsa was mid '97 IIRC. Yeah it's not the same, but it still makes for a nice alternative.

That's when they originally came back just as Schlotzsky’s.  
The "Lotz Better" re-tooling (Schlotzsky’s-Carvel-Cinnabon) started about a year ago, and thats when the quality declined.

The closest ones to me are Spokane WA, Bend OR, and Placerville CA.

Not too nearby, are they?

This is a remarkable example of thread drift.

Not too nearby, are they?

Yeah, that's my cross to bear.

Shotgun's was never worthy of this much discussion.

Re Schlotzsky:  I believe all area S's are setup with the carvel/cinnabon...

All Tulsa area Schlotsky's are run by the same family, and likely was able to license all three brands for not much more than the one.

All Tulsa area Schlotsky's are run by the same family, and likely was able to license all three brands for not much more than the one.

The Tulsa World has let everyone know what we already did.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/scene/restaurants/table-talk-shotgun-sam-s-pizza-palace-closes/article_100991cf-66d7-5ac5-b43f-9e56e2f2ab01.html

WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT SHOTGUN'S SAMS?

Cause the owner was great highly entertaining. And we're all going to miss him.  ;D

WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT SHOTGUN'S SAMS?

Wholly Cow! I know where this guy must have got his training.  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0alif0idJ10

Wholly Cow! I know where this guy must have got his training.  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0alif0idJ10

Minuteman in Prattville beats all those by a long shot......

Marley's is better than Savastinkos!

I hope Mr. Rice let Santa know he would not be needing his services. I knew when he announced Santa that they wouldn't be around long enough for it to happen.

We’ve put Marley’s on the list of “must try” now since everyone keeps going on about it.

We’ve put Marley’s on the list of “must try” now since everyone keeps going on about it.

Not a bad pie, but plan to spend at least 45 min to an hour waiting for it (if you order deep dish).

I can't imagine trying to carry on a conversation with this doof just based on his lack of writing skills along with his misunderstanding of the english language and his misuse of adages and tropes.

Now here is the story that should be told.

So who was Raymond King?   Seems like there was a connection - just not as founder or even very important person.  Generic employee?  Franchise guy?

The whole premise that Jones and company weren't the real founders sounds SOOOOO much like a Faux News event...  creepy!!

So who was Raymond King?   Seems like there was a connection - just not as founder or even very important person.  Generic employee?  Franchise guy?

The whole premise that Jones and company weren't the real founders sounds SOOOOO much like a Faux News event...  creepy!!

I can't imagine trying to carry on a conversation with this doof just based on his lack of writing skills along with his misunderstanding of the english language and his misuse of adages and tropes.

Our family will not be posting on here after this morning. We hope and pray this will bring some closure to this and everyone can just enjoy the fond memories of Shotgun Sam's. And we are sincerely sorry to hear the passing of Robert Scott Rice, whom we have been told was Dolphin Bob.

Again thank you for your understanding....

first of all, I am the daughter of the ORIGIONAL founding owner of Shotgun Sam's.

I got the impression most of the posters here had a fondness for the original Shotgun Sams.

I don't think most here knew that a member here was related to the ownership  of the reincarnation of Shotgun Sam's if that is actually the case.

first of all, I am the daughter of the ORIGIONAL founding owner of Shotgun Sam's. I have just recently heard about Tulsa Now. It saddens me to read all these slanderous comments about my fathers business. I realize that some people have nothing else to do with their time but to spread hate and discontent. It's really funny to me to read all this trash talk about why Shotgun Sam's originally went out of business, When none of you have a clue. I'm not quite sure the connection to all this and Mr. Rice however it's all a little silly and very inconsiderate to my family. We have learned that it appears this Dolphin Bob guy was Mr. Rices brother. Who has recently passed away from a heart attack. We are praying for the Rice family and any Children Mr. Dolphin Bob might have have. However we realize that family's have their own personal differences, however it has nothing to do with our family business's, and we really we appreciate to be left out of your blogs and hateful comments. Thank you for your understanding.

DolfanBob last logged in on October 27th. Any reason to believe he's tuna?

first of all, I am the daughter of the ORIGIONAL founding owner of Shotgun Sam's. I have just recently heard about Tulsa Now. It saddens me to read all these slanderous comments about my fathers business. I realize that some people have nothing else to do with their time but to spread hate and discontent. It's really funny to me to read all this trash talk about why Shotgun Sam's originally went out of business, When none of you have a clue. I'm not quite sure the connection to all this and Mr. Rice however it's all a little silly and very inconsiderate to my family. We have learned that it appears this Dolphin Bob guy was Mr. Rices brother. Who has recently passed away from a heart attack. We are praying for the Rice family and any Children Mr. Dolphin Bob might have have. However we realize that family's have their own personal differences, however it has nothing to do with our family business's, and we really we appreciate to be left out of your blogs and hateful comments. Thank you for your understanding.

first of all, I am the daughter of the ORIGIONAL founding owner of Shotgun Sam's. I have just recently heard about Tulsa Now. It saddens me to read all these slanderous comments about my fathers business. I realize that some people have nothing else to do with their time but to spread hate and discontent. It's really funny to me to read all this trash talk about why Shotgun Sam's originally went out of business, When none of you have a clue. I'm not quite sure the connection to all this and Mr. Rice however it's all a little silly and very inconsiderate to my family. We have learned that it appears this Dolphin Bob guy was Mr. Rices brother. Who has recently passed away from a heart attack. We are praying for the Rice family and any Children Mr. Dolphin Bob might have have. However we realize that family's have their own personal differences, however it has nothing to do with our family business's, and we really we appreciate to be left out of your blogs and hateful comments. Thank you for your understanding.

Ha!!  I love the fact that this alleged daughter of the "ORIGIONAL (sic) founding owner of Shotgun Sam's" couldn't even be bothered to include her father's name.  I'd offer the names of the two original owners here, but I don't want her to come back and see my comment as a "multiple choice" opportunity.

In any case, it looks like that mini-rant was the work of a clueless troll.  I seem to remember one of the (much more believable) daughters of one of the owners posting on Facebook during the four months that the "new" Shotgun Sam's was around, and she seemed to fall right in line with everyone else regarding how poorly Jim Rice was managing it.

If "Pink Panther" decides to come back here and get all riled up because we're bashing on Jim Rice, she's welcome to clarify as what has been posted about him that has been "slanderous."  She might need to grab a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word first, but maybe she'll get around to it.  Reading is fundamental!


And, yes, the same Jimmy Rice is now running for Sheriff of Tulsa County.  I thought he'd posted that his doctor told him that he shouldn't run any more businesses in which he would need to manage employees... so, it would stand to reason that "sheriff" would be a perfect job for him.

The website for the campaign offers plenty of comedy fodder as well... have at it.

If you're going to list that you were the Chief of Police for a town, you might want to know how to properly spell it.  That usually helps.  It's Oologah, not Ooligah.

http://www.jimricefortulsacountysheriff.com/about-us.html

When you see me around the Tulsa County Fair, at church, or even pounding the pavement come up and say "Hi!"  I am just like you,

An AOL email address??? Really??

Ha!  I hadn't even noticed.  I'd noticed the "truamerican2" part but hadn't even paid attention to the domain.  That's hilarious.

I also didn't realize until a few minutes ago that there was a separate thread following his sheriff campaign:

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21158.0

Plus...  I guess I've been too out of the loop, because I also didn't realize that he'd dropped out of the race, then decided to re-enter because there were just too many people supporting and encouraging him to do so.  See that thread for the amusing details.

Have you seen his latest rant on the corrupt election board on his personal FB page?  Pure Looney Toon!

If you're going to list that you were the Chief of Police for a town, you might want to know how to properly spell it.  That usually helps.  It's Oologah, not Ooligah.

An AOL email address??? Really??

He had to upgrade to AOL after Prodigy an CompuServe canceled him. Also AOL gave him a great deal on a high speed modem.

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Have you seen his latest rant on the corrupt election board on his personal FB page?  Pure Looney Toon!

If you're going to list that you were the Chief of Police for a town, you might want to know how to properly spell it.  That usually helps.  It's Oologah, not Ooligah.

http://www.jimricefortulsacountysheriff.com/about-us.html

Can someone provide a link to his FB page?

Wow, is that 4800 baud?

This looks more like and ad for a cheeseball bail bondsman here.  Candidates generally use current photos, not something from 15-20 years ago:

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And he’s also a very deep philosopher:

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Looks like he should be running a strip club out in the woods and selling moonshine.

I like his stories about driving a cab. Seems that's what he's doing now.

Have you seen his latest rant on the corrupt election board on his personal FB page?  Pure Looney Toon!

Wow, I just read through that. Railing about corruption at the election board and another candidate out to get him when the problem is he wants to run in the Republican primary but he just registered as a Republican in September and state law requires that you be registered with a party for six months before filing to run in a primary for office.

So is he even really running? More importantly, does he even understand what laws are?

Seriously just wow.

Rewind through this thread on how he railed on the health department because he could not follow directions and just thought the THD needed to drop what they were doing to fit his timeline and lack of timeliness in filing his paperwork.  Of course, when they busted him on items which failed inspection, in his mind, they were non-consequential items and wouldn’t end up making anyone sick.  I’m not thinking he’s an expert on hygiene, sanitation, nor the law.

What a tool.

As it turns out, there's a "Friends of Jim Rice for Tulsa County Sheriff" FB page too. It has an interesting motto at the top, "Don't tread on me, my gun, or my weed." I can't decide if it's a parody.

...and the photos....there are no words.

Shouldn’t be plural.  Should be “friend” i.e. Jim.

I don't believe it. This is a clever piece of disinformation put out by his political enemies with the assistance of the Liberal Media, that far left Tulsa World, the Trilateral Commission, and the International Communist Conspiracy.

Rice visited a doctor Monday morning due to chest pain, and afterward decided to withdraw his candidacy because of long-term heart-health issues.
“I really wanted to try. I really, really, really wanted to do it, but it’s just not my time,” he said.

I try not to look.  Really I do.

His latest rant is that the Hatch Act prevents any current employee of the TPD from running for public office since the TPD has received federal grants/funding.  But he’s sure the media has no interest in this and won’t expose it.

I try not to look.  Really I do.

But yet...

Yes, I know.  I’m looking for a 12 step program...

So at some point you clicked "follow"?

I try not to look, but it’s impossible.

Now our favorite ex-cop, wrecker driver, pizza slinger, cab driver, sheriff candidate says he’s been offered $100K to take a chief of police job out of state.

Buckle up!  Jim Peters Rice (who backed out of the Sheriff's race after he backed out of Shotgun Sam's) has apparently filed for Tulsa City Council District 3.  Too bad he and Paul Tay aren't competing in the same district...

Buckle up!  Jim Peters Rice (who backed out of the Sheriff's race after he backed out of Shotgun Sam's) has apparently filed for Tulsa City Council District 3.  Too bad he and Paul Tay aren't competing in the same district...

The gift that just keeps on giving:

https://www.facebook.com/JimRiceforSheriff/

He simply converted his sheriff page over to his latest venture.

The gift that just keeps on giving:

https://www.facebook.com/JimRiceforSheriff/

He simply converted his sheriff page over to his latest venture.

Spellcheck is not his friend...

Do you have to live in the district to run for the council position?

Do you have to live in the district to run for the council position?

In Tulsa, a candidate has to be a resident of the district for 90 days before filing for city council. Oddly, to file for Mayor you must live in the city on the day of filing alone. Other cities vary widely. It is 0 days in Wichita, 183 days in Oklahoma City, Kansas City, and Ft Worth. In Denver, St. Louis and most bigger cities, it is 365 days of established residency before filing for city council.

Many cities have longer residency for Mayor than city council. In Denver and St. Louis, it is twice as long and in Kansas City it is four times as long (two years versus six months).

Can we please delete this post or move it to a more applicable forum? This has nothing to do with "Development & New Businesses" and is annoying seeing it continue to be renewed to the top of this forum.

I have no interest in this guy or what he is running for.

In Tulsa, a candidate has to be a resident of the district for 90 days before filing for city council. Oddly, to file for Mayor you must live in the city on the day of filing alone. Other cities vary widely. It is 0 days in Wichita, 183 days in Oklahoma City, Kansas City, and Ft Worth. In Denver, St. Louis and most bigger cities, it is 365 days of established residency before filing for city council.

Many cities have longer residency for Mayor than city council. In Denver and St. Louis, it is twice as long and in Kansas City it is four times as long (two years versus six months).

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Well color me shocked!   ;D

Heh...No kidding...What an idiot....

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I hope that you and your family get every life ending illness. I've lost brothers defending our country. You assbag are a pile of smile. I'm not a mean person, but when I see love heads like you I get a bit pissed . The best thing for your family, is to dis own you. And pray that you die a very slow death.

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I hope that you and your family get every life ending illness. I've lost brothers defending our country. You assbag are a pile of smile. I'm not a mean person, but when I see love heads like you I get a bit pissed . The best thing for your family, is to dis own you. And pray that you die a very slow death.

Where is this from?

Discharged.  Not honorable.  That is a general discharge....he messed up something pretty good.

The one box on the form says Honorable Conditions, what does that mean if this isn't an honorable discharge?

Also faking this form has to be illegal as hell. This is fraud.

Jeeze! The typos! If you're gonna fake it, get it right. Navel? Arlinton? There are probably more.

What is it with scammers and their inability to spell?  :D

Whoa. So he put in High School Graduate and Associates Degree in the education section. The real one only lists basic training. SO...am I to conclude from this that Mr. Rice doesn't even have a high school diploma?

An E-1 Private as a helicopter pilot?

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No, he was a CWO3   :D

Huh....kinda looks that way, doesn't it?

I'm guessing that every law enforcement job he has ever had was gotten on fraudulent grounds.  Why else fake the form?