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Happy to see this guy get drafted. Very deserving. Here is a link to a story claiming his jersey is selling.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tonymerevick/michael-sam-jersey-sales-surge-to-no-2-out-of-nfl-rookies

The guy was co defensive player of the year in the toughest football conference of all. He clearly could play at that level. Can he make the jump to playing on Sunday?

Here is his stat page from the NFL combine...

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/michael-sam?id=2543734

Mediocre speed and not very strong for his position.

I think he had a bad combine. Plus, I'd like to think Sam will be hungry.

Serious question. Is the Michael Sam (openly gay player) and Tim Tebow (openly Christian player) a legitimate comparison when it comes to "outrage"?

Who was outraged about Tebow?

Nobody. Everyone was cool with this.

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The anti-taking-a-knee agenda?

People were against Tebow's obnoxiousness.  It was directly attributed to how vocally Christian every interview was.  Somehow I don't think Michael Sams is going to mention being gay in all of his football interviews even though people might ask.

Tebow's followers were also obnoxious. My family in Florida stills thinks he is the greatest athlete ever.

She has a t-shirt that says "Thank Tebow it's Friday".

The thing about Tebow to me has nothing to do with his religion, it was the fact that he just never made the transition to the NFL from college. Tebow was very similar to Matt Leinart, greatest thing in college, just could not cut the mustard in the Pro's.

What’s the line on Mansiel being every bit the bust that Leinart and Tebow were?  I’ve got my doubts.  Either that or his ‘tude has him on everyone’s radar screen and his career is cut short by injury.

He's not very big, but he destroyed a very good OU team a couple years back. He scrambles and he is athletic and lucky. Luck is good in sports. Fortunately he has some time to adjust to the NFL speed and violence as a back up unlike some other first round draft picks in the past.

So the thought is that Tebow is an obnoxious Christian, and Sam is just an openly gay player. 

It is really hard to buy into your thoughts on this.

Tebow talked about his religion non-stop and turned some people off. That happens.

He has nothing to do with Michael Sam, but somehow you want to compare them. You want to somehow get even because some bad people picked on the mediocre football player who talked non-stop about his religion.

Explain how Michael Sam being gay has anything to do with Tim Tebow. Explain why we should care that you feel jealous that Michael Sam is getting a pass and your guy didn't. Finally, please explain how your faith has been damaged because someone made fun of a Christian somewhere on some other day.

Are you really that fragile?
 

For me, I don't care about Christian, Gay, skin color, ethnic background, or your preference of cats over dogs. It's just that often college players are hyped as the next greatest NFL player, and they are going to set the world on fire, but when they put the uniform on, and get on the field, it's just not there. Tebow is now retired and working as an analyst for ESPN, Leinart was better known for the company he kept partying in Scottsdale then anything he did as quarterback, and there is a whole laundry list of others that had the same thing happen.

I think the biggest thing that is going to be a problem, and the sports shows TV and radio, have been talking about is how is his being a rookie and doing a reality show at the same time for OWN is going to be a big distraction for his on field performance.

Did you not see that I started this thread and freakin applauded Sam as a draft choice? And I didn't start the comparison, I asked about people's thoughts about it given it was the rage on twitter.  It was also covered on DailyKos.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/14/1299216/-Michael-Sam-is-not-Tim-Tebow-and-celebratory-kisses-are-not-showy-envangelizing#

So did right leaning twitchy.

http://twitchy.com/2014/05/11/twisted-fsu-linebacker-others-notice-head-shaking-michael-sam-tim-tebow-comparison-pic/

Oh of course not. He'll just star in his own damned docuseries for Oprah:


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/own-lands-michael-sam-docuseries-704189

This plan, that no one in the NFL apparently knew about, has been postponed.


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10944070/michael-sam-documentary-oprah-winfrey-network-postponed

It's not good, I found that video of the 2 men kissing very disturbing and sick. It can make me puke, why display that stuff, do it behind closed doors. I don't like it. >:(

That makes me happy. :-)

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So, you're saying that when you kiss men it's always in private?

How long before he "Rams" a Quarter Back..... ??? ??? ???

Heard that he likes working with the tight ends, and refuses to work with the wide receivers.

Heh......!!!...I also heard he does not like working with the "Deep Snapper".... ;D

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Thanks for sharing your home movies guido. Was that when your mom was cutting your hair with a "Flo-Bee"?

The NFL is stopping the Oprah network from producing the Michael Sam story.

Not sure I'd want to battle the Oprah

JMO, Michael Sam is a big risk for the Cardinals.  If he gets cut or falls victim to some traditional rookie hazing, seems like he could easily play the discrimination card on the team.  I’m having a hard time deciding if he really wants to play football or just be a celebrity since he's a marginal pick, at best, for his position.

I see no risk. He is a 7th round pick and half of those guys traditionally never play in the NFL.

They can cut him after giving him a full tryout with no repercussions. On the other hand, he is a quite popular player from the biggest state school nearby and would probably be good for ticket and jersey sales.

He was a strong player on Saturdays. The Rams have little to lose to give him a chance to see if he is good enough to play on Sundays.

I thought he was a damned fine football player at Mizzou. I think he is legit, and I HAVE to think he has a chip on his shoulder and wants to get his due.

+1

This guy is making some noise.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/24/michael-sam-johnny-manziel-sack_n_5703425.html?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000022

Sam got released today by the Rams. Should be some teams interested in this guy. Dallas?

If I'm not mistaken, Dallas doesn't really want good football players, do they??

That's right. I forgot.

In preparation for fantasy football I have watched about a hundred hours of football shows this past two weeks and more than a few times the topic of Michael Sam came up.

He had a good camp but simply got outplayed by another rookie for the final roster spot. Sam turned out to be a one trick pony. He could only play one position, left defensive end, and really could only pass rush and try to sack the quarterback. He couldn't play the other defensive positions and was weak against the run. Analysts said he was very, very good at that one thing and will probably get a chance to play in the league at some point, but just not for the Rams week one.

The Rams have one of the top ranked defenses right now. I have them rated number three overall. I assume they will offer him a job on the practice squad after Monday. If not, I would wager some other team will need that specialty skill at some point during the season.

What my biggest complaint is. Having to listen to every aspect of a 7th round pick because of his sexual preference. He plays Football fairly good but not good enough. During the Televised game and he was playing. The announcers and cameras could not focus on anything other than what he was doing. In my opinion. He looks rather small. His only shot would be foot work and speed. At his size he's not backing people up on opposing offensive lines.

The gay community wants equality. Is this the kind of equality they are seeking? Constant exposure because a Football player walks around with a man on his arm. We have one screwed skewed media World we live in.  :-[ 

First time I have looked at this thread, didn't know who Michael Sam's was. And of course can't speak for the entire gay community, but as a gay person, NO this is not the kind of coverage I would want.  But the fact that he is getting this kind of coverage shows that this issue is still "controversial" or "salacious" or whatever and thus we haven't gotten equality.  Apparently we still can't be "just like everyone else" but are some sort of unusual spectacle, and that in itself is a hurtful reminder.  I just want to go about my business like everyone else and not be afraid to say or do something that others can without it being a "topic worthy" sideshow attraction, or thinking that someone who could have been a friend otherwise, will suddenly avoid you or scorn you.  Hopefully someday.

Hit the nail on the head. Rams defense is one of the best in the league. Sam will get a spot somewhere. Him being gay doesn't matter and the media should drop it. He can earn a spot playing on the left end somewhere.

Kudos and thank you Artist. I appreciate you as a respectful poster here on the forum and I am sure you are a fine person all the way around. The media seem to always want to play both sides of the fence on every subject matter. But also revel in what they think people will find controversial whether the said party or subject thinks that it is. This guy even merits 3 pages (so far) here on our beloved Tulsa Now Forum.
I can't wait for the photo of him eating at "Chick fil a" comes out. Oh the horror.   

Thank you for your perspective, Artist, it’s appreciated.  Funny part is, I never think of you or your partner as being some of our “gay friends” rather as just friends.  But MC and I tend to view the world through a different kaleidoscope. 

Post of the Year candidate.

The whole point of the media's actions (reporting news/information is generally second or third) is to create interest so they can sell their newspaper/magazine/tv show, so the use of the adjective is what it's all about.  In this case, "gay".  In Ferguson, it's "black, unarmed".  Emotions must be stirred to create interest and the flow of money.

Sometimes it's tough to 'boycott' everything that offends, 'cause just every once in a while I like to eat at Chick-Fil-A, too.  But it gets easier over time...has been a very long time since I went there.  And Hobby Lobby and Home Depot are making it easier to create a pattern of avoidance of obnoxious places with their carp.  I can find arts/crafts stuff and cheesy/tacky Chinese made clocks and huge vases elsewhere....

It seems Michael Sam is going to sign with the Dallas Cowboys.

It also looks like his roster spot on the St. Louis Rams was taken by an extra running back, Trey Watts from the University of Tulsa. He is the son of former OU quarterback J.C. Watts.

And now he's a Cowboy. Well not exactly. Only if the practice squad counts.  ::)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2741521/It-s-great-heading-home-NFL-s-openly-gay-player-Michael-Sam-set-join-Dallas-Cowboys-just-days-sensationally-dropped-St-Louis-Rams.html

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Tacky.  Very, very tacky.

Always.  It’s one of by best qualities.

Neither one should have ever been drafted...

Non-substantive post to revive a long dead thread. 

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