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Title: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: patric on April 11, 2014, 12:39:11 pm
Thought I originally saw a beer garden in the plans, but that would make it too much a Smoot magnet.
http://www.tmapc.org/Documents/Agendas/04-16-14/PUD-810.pdf





Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: SXSW on April 11, 2014, 01:00:24 pm
Cool, and the design and site plan look great.  I'd like to see more development of the Lewis corridor and this is a step in the right direction.

Speaking of new breweries, saw this in the TW about Dead Armadillo and their search for space downtown:
They said they currently are negotiating to acquire a building on the edge of downtown and hope to have positive news on that soon.

http://m.tulsaworld.com/scene/restaurantguide/tulsa-brewers-dead-armadillo-bursting-at-seams-ready-for-craft/article_a9e34d23-4c48-55aa-aa9f-d295dd7bce7c.html?mode=jqm (http://m.tulsaworld.com/scene/restaurantguide/tulsa-brewers-dead-armadillo-bursting-at-seams-ready-for-craft/article_a9e34d23-4c48-55aa-aa9f-d295dd7bce7c.html?mode=jqm)

I still think the old vacant building at 1st & Elgin would be perfect for conversion to a microbrewery. 


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: carltonplace on April 14, 2014, 11:13:59 am
The building design is really nice...I'd like to see something like this in Downtown or in the Pearl.

Great to see someone building in an empty lot.


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: Conan71 on April 14, 2014, 12:49:26 pm
Do we know who the actual proprietor of the brewery is?


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on April 14, 2014, 01:00:24 pm
Do we know who the actual proprietor of the brewery is?

I'm asking


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: patric on April 14, 2014, 01:03:13 pm
Do we know who the actual proprietor of the brewery is?

Roklahoma?


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: Conan71 on April 14, 2014, 01:23:57 pm
Roklahoma?

If you are referring to the festival, it’s a different spelling.  I already tried that route.  I can’t even find anywhere who the organizers are of Rocklahoma.


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: Conan71 on April 14, 2014, 01:33:51 pm
Doing a search on Renaissance has turned up nothing, but it did manage to bring up Pi Pizzeria, the place the Smootboots busted last year for making and selling alcohol rather than non-intoxicating beverage.  I guess that put them out of business.  Nothing on their FB page since right after that little shenanigan.


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on April 14, 2014, 02:25:33 pm
It's not Dead Armadillo. 


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: Conan71 on April 14, 2014, 02:45:53 pm
It's not Dead Armadillo. 

Well Duh, “Renaissance”  :P

Have you heard anything about the brewery in Stillwater?  Their license is filed but I’ve heard nothing from them since last October when I went to look over the site for a boiler system.  None of my Stilly friends seem to know anything.  Seems like if that were moving along, they’d at least be creating a buzz via social media.


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on April 14, 2014, 03:04:34 pm
Well Duh, “Renaissance”  :P

Have you heard anything about the brewery in Stillwater?  Their license is filed but I’ve heard nothing from them since last October when I went to look over the site for a boiler system.  None of my Stilly friends seem to know anything.  Seems like if that were moving along, they’d at least be creating a buzz via social media.

Who knows somebody might have been building a brewery and letting Dead Armadillo use it for a fee.  A cooperative brewery... Anyway


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: Conan71 on April 14, 2014, 03:26:27 pm
Who knows somebody might have been building a brewery and letting Dead Armadillo use it for a fee.  A cooperative brewery... Anyway

Co-op breweries are a great idea as it could help incubate several start-ups with out the heavy start-up costs for a new brand. 

At some point though, one has to wonder when the point of saturation hits for microbrew?  More breweries are splitting a shrinking beer market.  Wine and spirits are pretty stiff competition.  With the trend for big beers means many drinkers might simply have one rather than several in a session considering some Imperials are 9-10% ABV, that’s a LOT of calories, especially in magnums or bombers.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/08/why-are-american-drinkers-turning-against-beer/278370/

I can’t remember where I was the other day, but they still had quite a bit of Marshall’s El CuCuy on the shelf.  Hell, even Bomb and Bible Belt aren’t exactly difficult to find now.  Bomb isn’t something I’d sit and drink three or four of over the course of an evening.  That’s a once in a while nightcap for me.


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: RecycleMichael on April 14, 2014, 04:03:29 pm
There is a new distillery in Moore Oklahoma that will offer Oklahoma made spirits on May 1st.

Scissortial Distillery   https://www.facebook.com/Scissortaildistillery


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: Red Arrow on April 14, 2014, 05:56:17 pm
Hell, even Bomb and Bible Belt aren’t exactly difficult to find now.  Bomb isn’t something I’d sit and drink three or four of over the course of an evening.  That’s a once in a while nightcap for me.

Prairie wants too much $ for them to be a regular beer for me.  When they had the Standard in 6-packs for under $9, I bought it on a regular basis.  When they went to just under $9 for a 4-pack of the same beer, I said "no".  I bought a bottle of Bomb to try it.  I liked it but at $5+ for a 12 oz bottle, I'm not going to buy it more than a couple of times a year.

The price of bomber bottles from just about everyone is silly.  The same beer in 11.2 or 12 oz 6-packs is considerably less per oz.

As a point of reference: $8 for a 22 oz bottle is the equivalent of $26.18 for a 6-pack of 12 oz bottles (or cans for you wise guys).  That really needs to be a pretty special beer at that price.



Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: Conan71 on April 14, 2014, 06:42:45 pm
Prairie wants too much $ for them to be a regular beer for me.  When they had the Standard in 6-packs for under $9, I bought it on a regular basis.  When they went to just under $9 for a 4-pack of the same beer, I said "no".  I bought a bottle of Bomb to try it.  I liked it but at $5+ for a 12 oz bottle, I'm not going to buy it more than a couple of times a year.

The price of bomber bottles from just about everyone is silly.  The same beer in 11.2 or 12 oz 6-packs is considerably less per oz.

As a point of reference: $8 for a 22 oz bottle is the equivalent of $26.18 for a 6-pack of 12 oz bottles (or cans for you wise guys).  That really needs to be a pretty special beer at that price.



There’s precious few bombers that I buy anymore (with the exception of Marshall’s specials) and it’s usually something MC and I end up splitting unless it’s something like a really dank double IPA which she won’t touch.

Have you picked up a six of any of the Founder’s varieties yet? Really great from what I’ve tried so far.  There again, one more entry into a pretty crowded market.  It’s amazing how many beers Oklahoma still does not get.  With new ones arriving all the time, it’s easy for me to forget about some of the beers I’ve tried in the past.


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: Red Arrow on April 14, 2014, 08:59:00 pm
Have you picked up a six of any of the Founder’s varieties yet? Really great from what I’ve tried so far.  There again, one more entry into a pretty crowded market.  It’s amazing how many beers Oklahoma still does not get.  With new ones arriving all the time, it’s easy for me to forget about some of the beers I’ve tried in the past.

I tried one each in a mix-a-six of Founder's Centennial IPA, Porter, and Dirty Bastard Scotch Style Ale.  I liked them all of them but at 8.5% I was kind of expecting a Wee Heavy on the Scotch Ale and it was not.  It was still good though.


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: rdj on April 15, 2014, 07:22:50 am
Do we know who the actual proprietor of the brewery is?

This is a new start-up brewery.  The owner/brewmaster has trained in Chicago and Germany.  Home brewed for years prior to those training sessions.  Not sure how public he wants to be just yet, but I am sure if you watch the TMAPC on TGOV you'll see him.

He lives in the Renaissance neighborhood and from our discussions wants to build a building that is very friendly to the neighborhood.


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: tdlneal on April 16, 2014, 06:58:00 pm
The brewmaster of Renaissance is Glenn Hall who with his family lives in Renaissance Neighborhood.

I designed the building and have assisted Glenn with the PUD process.
Construction documents and engineering will be done by 360 Engineers who are located just across 15th St. from Renaissance Neighborhood.

Glenn and I are both formerly presidents of Renaissance Neighborhood Association and have long term commitments to its well being.

Tom Neal, Associate Member, American Institute of Architects


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: Conan71 on April 17, 2014, 07:40:05 am
Hi Tom,

How did the hearing with TMPAC go yesterday?  This would be a nice addition to that stretch of Lewis.

Is Glen doing a brewery or a brew pub?


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: saintnicster on April 17, 2014, 08:11:23 am
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/downtown/microbrewery-proposal-heads-to-city-council/article_3d71d66f-5afb-5c4e-950e-80407ffd6891.html

Microbrewery proposal heads to City Council
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The Tulsa Metropolitan Area Planning Commission on Wednesday recommended approval of a zoning application to construct and operate a microbrewery at the northeast corner of Lewis Avenue and 12th Street.

The application now goes to the City Council for consideration.

Renaissance Brewing Co. would be the first brewery to produce full-strength beer in a commercially zoned area of the city. The city's zoning code restricts such breweries to industrial-zoned parts of the city.

To circumvent that prohibition, the applicant, Glenn Hall, proposed a planned unit development — a commonly used planning tool that allows for property uses in areas where the underlying zoning would not normally allow them.

Commissioners voted 7-0 to recommend approval of the PUD and a change in a portion of the underlying property's zoning from commercial to industrial to allow the brewery.

According to the PUD, the Renaissance Brewing Co. would be part of a new two-story, 7,100-square-foot structure that would include the brewery and retail space on the first floor and possibly office and residential areas on the second floor.
The brewery would be limited to producing 5,000 barrels of beer a year.

The brewery would only brew and bottle beer, not sell it on site. That's not allowed under state law.

Hall told commissioners Wednesday he plans to use some of the first-floor retail space to offer beer tastings and sell merchandise.

He has said previously that he hopes to have the brewery up and running by early next year.

Tulsa has seen microbrewery pubs come and go in commercial districts, but those establishments were first and foremost considered restaurants for zoning purposes and were limited to selling 3.2 beer.


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: SXSW on May 22, 2017, 11:20:22 am
Update on this project and how it was unnecessarily difficult to build this in a New Urban form.  Maybe better for a discussion in the planning forum but thought it would be good to discuss as it affects future infill projects in midtown.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/michael-overall-does-tulsa-make-it-harder-to-build-the/article_37ffd16c-c136-5022-942b-70eb5942a072.html (http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/michael-overall-does-tulsa-make-it-harder-to-build-the/article_37ffd16c-c136-5022-942b-70eb5942a072.html)


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: rebound on May 22, 2017, 01:00:48 pm
I tried one each in a mix-a-six of Founder's Centennial IPA, Porter, and Dirty Bastard Scotch Style Ale.  I liked them all of them but at 8.5% I was kind of expecting a Wee Heavy on the Scotch Ale and it was not.  It was still good though.

Founders makes great beer.  Founders All Day IPA has become my go-to.   It is right on the edge of strong Pale Ale and an IPA.   Very light.  Maybe that's why it is "All Day IPA".  Good stuff.


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: Red Arrow on May 22, 2017, 05:37:10 pm
Founders makes great beer.  Founders All Day IPA has become my go-to.   It is right on the edge of strong Pale Ale and an IPA.   Very light.  Maybe that's why it is "All Day IPA".  Good stuff.

It's difficult to believe this thread has been revived from three years ago.

I really like Founders KBS.  Too bad it's a seasonal and really expensive.


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: DowntownDan on May 22, 2017, 06:58:10 pm
It's difficult to believe this thread has been revived from three years ago.

I really like Founders KBS.  Too bad it's a seasonal and really expensive.

The Backwoods Bastard is better than KBS in my opinion, and last time I bought it was not as expensive as this year's KBS.  They may be upping the price in general for their special release barrel aged beers.


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: pusherbot on May 23, 2017, 05:45:59 am
I always get excited about new breweries opening in town.  I am really hoping that we can get some more, they can really help bring a little bit of tourism.  At least, I know I go out of state to see take brewery tours.


Title: Re: Renaissance Brewery 12th & Lewis
Post by: rebound on May 23, 2017, 11:44:41 am
I always get excited about new breweries opening in town.  I am really hoping that we can get some more, they can really help bring a little bit of tourism.  At least, I know I go out of state to see take brewery tours.

My BIL is a big craft beer guy.  He was in town over the weekend for my daughter's graduation and I took him to Prairie Tap, and he went (I had conflicts) to American Solera.   He raved about Solera, and can't get those beers in South Carolina.  He left with, at least three cases of mixed beers, and left a lot of money in the local tills.   Beer geeks spend money.