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Title: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on November 30, 2013, 11:12:46 am
Exciting action last night in OKC:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h8oizruFbTU[/youtube]

Thunder vs. Warriors @ Chesapeake Energy Arena


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Rookie Okie on December 01, 2013, 12:49:39 am
Absolutely awesome finish!  Westbrook's 3 for the win against the Warriors left only 0.1 sec on the clock this time (2 weeks ago he drained what we thought would be the winning 3 against the Warriors with under 3 sec to go until Iguodala hit a crushing jumper from the side at the buzzer to steal the victory)!

Anyways, I made the trip over to see last night's game (my first Thunder game).  Great crowd and fantastic pre and post game atmosphere inside and outside.  Most noticeable was the chance to witness and experience the positive effects created by the critical mass of 18,000 + fans for 41 home games and a half dozen or so playoff games.  The high volume of both foot and vehicle traffic in Bricktown for game nights on top of what would be in the area on a non-event night is so very impressive.

I like what is evolving organically here in Tulsa downtown.  However, the crowds out and about in downtown OKC dwarf those downtown here although Tulsa is definitely on an upward trajectory.   I'm aware of the fact that the ambitious MAPS program in OKC that led to most of their downtown redevelopment is a good 10 years or more ahead of similar initiatives in Tulsa.  I'm also mindful that Tulsa has several other notable entertainment districts outside of downtown (some folks like to party in their 'hoods which is also a good thing), although OKC has a few other areas as well.

From my observations based on the few times I've been to downtown OKC, it appears as though many more residents there are comfortable going downtown for enjoyment.  I'm sure that many of those residents probably developed such a comfort by being a part of the critical mass of fans attending Thunder games.  Many of these folks are not your urban by choice, creative, artsy, yuppie, hipster, empty nester.....typical downtown catalysts.  But they have been coming in droves from all over to partake in all that downtown OKC has to offer.  I don't doubt that many of these same people were once naysayers who wouldn't be caught dead downtown.  But now they're part of that critical mass owed in good measure to the Thunder, and over time their minds were changed and a new found pride in their town had developed within (several told me as much).  Believe me, that hoop crowd was eclectic and electric!  White, black, Hispanic, Native American, Asian, Middle Eastern, Hindu, other foreigners, old, young, straight, LBGT, country, rockers, hip hoppers, handicapped, etc.....and a good representation of all.  What I didn't really notice was a bunch of VIPs, wannabes, and limos and that was a good thing!  Oklahoma is for real!

I know that most on this forum are tireless ambassadors and supporters of downtown.  We certainly need all of our downtown catalysts to continue championing living, working, shopping, and playing downtown.  However, going forward Tulsa will need more of everyone else to play (hopefully shop too) downtown if it truly desires to once again claim a successful vibrant and sustainable core.  Tulsa, your mission should you decide to accept it is to create and cultivate a critical mass downtown.  Unless a tornado levels Chesapeake Energy Arena, the Thunder aren't coming to Tulsa temporarily or otherwise.  However, prospective employers, educational and healthcare institutions might be willing.  Pro soccer and who knows maybe an urban concept for that Tulsa outlet mall with sidewalk entrances and real store fronts downtown could be a big hit....Just a few thoughts, I know there are others!







 


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on December 02, 2013, 07:56:04 pm
Durant, Jackson and  Westbrook caught fire last night against Minnesota which is a team that the Thunder has had match-up problems with in the past.

Approving the Vision 2025 sales' tax to build the BOK Center and ONEOK ballpark was the best investment Tulsa could make.  You'll see more private investment in downtown Tulsa as a result of building those two structures.  Your private investment will probably triple what you collected with the approval of the Vision 2025 initiative.

The Brady District & Blue Dome areas will see more development as time moves on.

When the Vision 2025 sales tax is ready to expire; Tulsa will be ready to approve continuation of the tax without raising taxes.  This momentum will allow you to build other structures because the voters will have seen the quality of the projects they approved.

Tulsa will certainly be ready for a new or renovated soccer stadium at Drillers Park. 

I was really impressed with the architecture of the BOK Center by Cesar Pelli.

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVVMuEIr2CblHgXxZ8G7s5HEZX40s_ddDsH1IWzcVfutE_UU0D)(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQpzD68fWG_7nBdT95cE2Q7Ze0wQ2_k7TQEsQiGCecedHtfJbR-)(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRylE5a2UhdDc8DqiP7tFH1E77JfDfqiR_9ws44eFYViTt5BJOc)(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtLGLvQNCpfHxfiXJjyJCV3p0oxZKf8f_iWwLaywRJj01i_70SUA)


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: RecycleMichael on December 02, 2013, 09:06:06 pm
Approving the Vision 2025 sales' tax to build the BOK Center and ONEOK ballpark was the best investment Tulsa could make. 

Why do you feel compelled to post on TulsaNow? You don't live here and don't know what is going on. You post all the time in the OKC blogs. Are you just that bored that you feel the need to weigh in on other cities?

Vision 2025 had nothing for the ONEOK ballpark. If you lived here you would know that.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 02, 2013, 11:05:38 pm


Anyways, I made the trip over to see last night's game (my first Thunder game).  Great crowd and fantastic pre and post game atmosphere inside and outside.  Most noticeable was the chance to witness and experience the positive effects created by the critical mass of 18,000 + fans for 41 home games and a half dozen or so playoff games.  The high volume of both foot and vehicle traffic in Bricktown for game nights on top of what would be in the area on a non-event night is so very impressive.

I like what is evolving organically here in Tulsa downtown.  However, the crowds out and about in downtown OKC dwarf those downtown here although Tulsa is definitely on an upward trajectory.   I'm aware of the fact that the ambitious MAPS program in OKC that led to most of their downtown redevelopment is a good 10 years or more ahead of similar initiatives in Tulsa.  I'm also mindful that Tulsa has several other notable entertainment districts outside of downtown (some folks like to party in their 'hoods which is also a good thing), although OKC has a few other areas as well.


I know that most on this forum are tireless ambassadors and supporters of downtown.  We certainly need all of our downtown catalysts to continue championing living, working, shopping, and playing downtown.  However, going forward Tulsa will need more of everyone else to play (hopefully shop too) downtown if it truly desires to once again claim a successful vibrant and sustainable core.  Tulsa, your mission should you decide to accept it is to create and cultivate a critical mass downtown.  Unless a tornado levels Chesapeake Energy Arena, the Thunder aren't coming to Tulsa temporarily or otherwise.  However, prospective employers, educational and healthcare institutions might be willing.  Pro soccer and who knows maybe an urban concept for that Tulsa outlet mall with sidewalk entrances and real store fronts downtown could be a big hit....Just a few thoughts, I know there are others!

 


OKC has some very slow nights, too...like when there are no games.  And if Tulsa has a BOK event, it gets very similar crowds.  Where are those other OKC areas you are talking about?  I am there enough (too much) to make it a good to know thing....

Pro soccer is still a hard sell here.  Small groups of intensely loyal fans.  Another generation of kids and soccer moms likely to be needed before big expectations are realized there.

T started out 10 years or so after OKC but we really aren't that far "behind" at all.  The biggest difference is the pro NBA team.  Everything else OKC has is on a par with things that Tulsa has - not equal, but equivalent.    And we have a certain, undefinable "something" that makes Tulsa (and northeast Oklahoma) a more 'attractive' place to live.  Of the people I work with (and have worked with in the past), invariably, the central OK residences who look here are much more likely to move here than the northeast OK residences who look there are likely to move there.  By many times over.



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on December 03, 2013, 02:32:33 am
Just from my own experience as a Diamondbacks fan, and having moved to Phoenix in their inaugural season, OKC is still in the "honeymoon" phase with the Thunder, and yes they have been good, partly because it was an existing team with potential, and a change of venue can energize a team, but if they have a couple of bad seasons, the sound you will hear is not cheers, but the sound of people breaking their ankles jumping off the band wagon.

The Diamondbacks had a rocky start, but went on to win the World Series in their forth year, followed by a decent season, and then came the fire sale of players to get the payroll under control with the bonuses that were to be paid out. In '05, '06, and '07 you could show up at the box office 45 minutes before first pitch, and get free tickets to box seats from season ticket holders that just did not want to go to a game. Being so close to the Rockies, Padres, Dodgers, and all of the Cub's fans, you could go to a game and there were more opposing team fans than D'backs fans. Going into their 17th season, they are finally developing a real fan base.

It will be interesting to see how the fan base really develops for the Thunder.

As with any comparison, "Your mileage may vary, professional driver on a closed course."



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Rookie Okie on December 03, 2013, 04:25:51 pm
I don't know much about OKC.  Been there less than a handful of times since I moved here this year.  But in response to the question about other areas of OKC, I did stumble upon a nice neighborhood called Mesta Park along with another contiguous perhaps even nicer area.  There appeared to be some neighborhood shops and restaurants on thoroughfares in and around this area that could be of interest.  Had it not gotten dark during my drive through, I would have taken the time to further explore it.  I'll leave it for another time though.  I also saw the Paseo arts enclave.  Another intertesing and eveloving strip is some former automobile row that is rapidly transforming into restauants and shops.  Had coffee there late Sat. afternoon.  I also drove north on either Western I believe or Walker (something starting with a W) and saw a bunch of restaurants and other stuff.

You perhaps know of these areas as you state you are in OKC enough.  For what my limited observations are worth these areas have nothing on or over Tulsa, but I only mentioned them since I was asked.

 


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 03, 2013, 07:53:18 pm
I don't know much about OKC.  Been there less than a handful of times since I moved here this year.  But in response to the question about other areas of OKC, I did stumble upon a nice neighborhood called Mesta Park along with another contiguous perhaps even nicer area.  There appeared to be some neighborhood shops and restaurants on thoroughfares in and around this area that could be of interest.  Had it not gotten dark during my drive through, I would have taken the time to further explore it.  I'll leave it for another time though.  I also saw the Paseo arts enclave.  Another intertesing and eveloving strip is some former automobile row that is rapidly transforming into restauants and shops.  Had coffee there late Sat. afternoon.  I also drove north on either Western I believe or Walker (something starting with a W) and saw a bunch of restaurants and other stuff.

You perhaps know of these areas as you state you are in OKC enough.  For what my limited observations are worth these areas have nothing on or over Tulsa, but I only mentioned them since I was asked.

 


I have driven through Mesta Park before and it is a very nice area.  There are a few of those areas around town - very similar to Tulsa.  There are also some very good museums over in the direction of the race track.  Have only been to one so far and that was quite a while ago - they close too early in the afternoon for most of my days.

 










Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on December 03, 2013, 08:28:01 pm
I don't know much about OKC.  Been there less than a handful of times since I moved here this year.  But in response to the question about other areas of OKC, I did stumble upon a nice neighborhood called Mesta Park along with another contiguous perhaps even nicer area.  There appeared to be some neighborhood shops and restaurants on thoroughfares in and around this area that could be of interest.  Had it not gotten dark during my drive through, I would have taken the time to further explore it.  I'll leave it for another time though.  I also saw the Paseo arts enclave.  Another interesting and evolving strip is some former automobile row that is rapidly transforming into restaurants and shops.  Had coffee there late Sat. afternoon.  I also drove north on either Western I believe or Walker (something starting with a W) and saw a bunch of restaurants and other stuff.

You perhaps know of these areas as you state you are in OKC enough.  For what my limited observations are worth these areas have nothing on or over Tulsa, but I only mentioned them since I was asked.

Tulsa is a very clean and attractive city.  

I really miss the charm of the old Camelot Inn; attended many conferences there.  Tulsa lost an icon with historic value.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aBzQTD8iigo[/youtube]

Tulsa's Camelot Inn

You  probably stumbled upon two areas in OKC; the Plaza District and an area called the Classen Curve.  These areas are within a two-mile radius of the Paseo Arts District with Classen Curve further north on Western Avenue.



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Rookie Okie on December 03, 2013, 08:51:34 pm
I appreciate your pics of Tulsa, they are great. 

This former jewel in the Camelot looked amazing in its hey day.  Exactly where was it located in Brookside?


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Red Arrow on December 03, 2013, 09:08:45 pm
I appreciate your pics of Tulsa, they are great. 

This former jewel in the Camelot looked amazing in its hey day.  Exactly where was it located in Brookside?

I-44 & Peoria


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Hoss on December 03, 2013, 09:36:07 pm
Took these about six years ago, right before the Camelot came down.  It's a shame it got into such disrepair.  I can still remember Riverside airport using it as a landmark for airplanes coming in over the radio towers.  "Fly to the Camelot"...

http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=66518760@N00&q=camelot


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Rookie Okie on December 03, 2013, 10:53:52 pm
These are nice pictures of the hotel.  From the exterior 6 years ago, it appeared as salvageable.  However, the video stated that it has rotted inside for the most part and that asbestos abatement had been going on for some time so that was sad for such a landmark.

From your pics, it looks as if there was a Churches Chicken located on the NW corner where there is a QT today, is this correct?  Across the street is the strip plaza with the Chinese restaurant on the NE corner.  I know there is another strip center on the SE corner. So was the hotel on the SW corner?  I'm scratching my head on what's on that corner right now, is the a Baum's near?

I gleaned some of those other pics, and there are some spectacular sunsets of that dairy in the Pearl district with downtown in the backdrop and also some good shots of the BOK center when it was under construction.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Hoss on December 03, 2013, 10:59:21 pm
These are nice pictures of the hotel.  From the exterior 6 years ago, it appeared as salvageable.  However, the video stated that it has rotted inside for the most part and that asbestos abatement had been going on for some time so that was sad for such a landmark.

From your pics, it looks as if there was a Churches Chicken located on the NW corner where there is a QT today, is this correct?  Across the street is the strip plaza with the Chinese restaurant on the NE corner.  I know there is another strip center on the SE corner. So was the hotel on the SW corner?  I'm scratching my head on what's on that corner right now, is the a Baum's near?

I gleaned some of those other pics, and there are some spectacular sunsets of that dairy in the Pearl district with downtown in the backdrop and also some good shots of the BOK center when it was under construction.

Yes, I tried to document the construction of the MotherShip.  I was a bit more optimistic on the arena than many on here.  I'm glad to see it has done as well as it has and continues to do so, over five years later.  Most of these pictures were taken with an old Fujufilm point and shoot.  I've graduated up now to a true DSLR but haven't done much photography lately.  I have a new Nikon coming next week, so I'm sure I'll be getting out more later.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 04, 2013, 11:02:14 am
These are nice pictures of the hotel.  From the exterior 6 years ago, it appeared as salvageable.  However, the video stated that it has rotted inside for the most part and that asbestos abatement had been going on for some time so that was sad for such a landmark.

From your pics, it looks as if there was a Churches Chicken located on the NW corner where there is a QT today, is this correct?  Across the street is the strip plaza with the Chinese restaurant on the NE corner.  I know there is another strip center on the SE corner. So was the hotel on the SW corner?  I'm scratching my head on what's on that corner right now, is the a Baum's near?

I gleaned some of those other pics, and there are some spectacular sunsets of that dairy in the Pearl district with downtown in the backdrop and also some good shots of the BOK center when it was under construction.

It was where the Quik Trip is now...actual building front sitting right where QT is.

If you go to Google Earth and use the 'time' function on the top tool bar, you can scroll back and see the Camelot up to about 2005.  Then 2010, the lot is empty.

I went into the place for the last time just a little while before it closed and was boarded up.  It was a mess then.  Very humid (they weren't running the A/C properly so they could save some money), so it smelled like mold.  Dark, dank, depressing.  They had some very dark red/burgundy carpet that was very thick and plush and amazing to walk on...when new and in good shape, it would almost make me rethink my aversion to carpet!
 



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: TulsaRufnex on December 05, 2013, 12:35:41 am

Pro soccer is still a hard sell here.  Small groups of intensely loyal fans.  Another generation of kids and soccer moms likely to be needed before big expectations are realized there.


?

Wrong.  TULSA'S SOCCER DADS would beg to differ.

The Roughnecks generation of soccer kids are now in our 30's, 40's, and many of us are now in our 50's.

We had a crowd of nearly 5,800 for a Tuesday night game last summer.

We had a crowd of 3,761 to watch our first year hometown amateur team play the Liverpool Warriors of Dallas (Plano) on the same Saturday night in June when both the Drillers and Shock were simultaneously playing home games at their superior taxpayer funded facilities at OneOk Park and the BOk Center.

THE TIME IS NOW.  The only question beyond that is whether we'll be a USL Pro affiliate of Sporting KC or take the field as an independent NASL club.
This could happen as soon as 2015, but definitely within the next 2-4 years.

(http://tulsaroughnecks.com/images/6b7b0124660d4e8e52863359345fce36.jpg)

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/08/18/nbc-telecast-of-swansea-city-manchester-united-posts-highest-overnight-rating-in-u-s-history-for-premier-league-opener/198140/

   NBC Sports Groupís three live opening-day Premier League telecasts averaged a .5 overnight rating Ė up 67% from last seasonís opening Saturday three-game average (.3 average for one match on ESPN and two on Fox Soccer)
Washington, D.C. topped all U.S. markets for local ratings of NBCís Swansea City-Manchester United telecast.
Following is the top ten:

Washington, D.C. (2.2)
Tulsa (1.9)
Austin (1.8 )
Seattle (1.4)
Buffalo (1.4)
Los Angeles (1.2)
Philadelphia (1.0)
Cincinnati (1.0)
Orlando (1.0)
Hartford/New Haven (0.9)


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Rookie Okie on December 05, 2013, 10:26:10 am
Better to go NASL independent, if at all possible.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on December 05, 2013, 11:19:34 am
Portland Trailblazers are for real.  The Thunder had a great game statistically against the Blazers and these guys proved that they can counter against some good teams.  They have beaten Chicago, Golden State, L.A. Lakers, Indiana and OKC in the past two weeks.

Aldridge has to be one of the top center in the NBA this year.

It will be interesting to see how they do against Indiana and OKC on the road.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:10081713&startTime=00:00


Better to go NASL independent, if at all possible.

Let's hope that Tulsa can get back into the NASL  All signs point toward 2015 or 2016.  There's a possibility that San Antonio could be moving on to the MLS.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on December 17, 2013, 03:29:31 pm
Thunder's Westbrook hasn't skipped a beat.

ESPN NBA:  http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10149197&ex_cid=espnapi_public (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10149197&ex_cid=espnapi_public)


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 17, 2013, 05:31:00 pm
?

Wrong.  TULSA'S SOCCER DADS would beg to differ.

The Roughnecks generation of soccer kids are now in our 30's, 40's, and many of us are now in our 50's.

We had a crowd of nearly 5,800 for a Tuesday night game last summer.

We had a crowd of 3,761 to watch our first year hometown amateur team play the Liverpool Warriors of Dallas (Plano) on the same Saturday night in June when both the Drillers and Shock were simultaneously playing home games at their superior taxpayer funded facilities at OneOk Park and the BOk Center.

THE TIME IS NOW.  The only question beyond that is whether we'll be a USL Pro affiliate of Sporting KC or take the field as an independent NASL club.
This could happen as soon as 2015, but definitely within the next 2-4 years.



Those are decent numbers for soccer.  But what does the NBA do right down the road a little bit?

Or OU games...OSU...Texas...Tennessee....

And NFL...well, even Oakland averages 50,000.

Professional curling gets 280,000 per season in Edmonton (record year - 2005), while Calgary got 250,000 in 2009.

Just not quite there yet to be "pro"....or considered real mainstream.



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: TulsaRufnex on December 17, 2013, 07:20:19 pm

Those are decent numbers for soccer.  But what does the NBA do right down the road a little bit?

Or OU games...OSU...Texas...Tennessee....

And NFL...well, even Oakland averages 50,000.

Professional curling gets 280,000 per season in Edmonton (record year - 2005), while Calgary got 250,000 in 2009.

Just not quite there yet to be "pro"....or considered real mainstream.

Why on earth would you try to compare the Tulsa Athletics to the Thunder, Sooners and Cowboys?  

My attendance numbers are for our first year NPSL amateur club playing their home games at 15th & Yale.
Comparing an amateur soccer team's attendance to the NBA or college football is wholly inappropriate and more than a little silly.

Try comparing apples to apples, please...

NBA and NHL Get the Boot: MLS Is the 3rd Most Attended Sports League in America
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1290390-nba-and-nhl-get-the-boot-mls-is-the-3rd-most-attended-sports-league-in-america'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_attendances_of_professional_sports_teams_in_the_United_States_and_Canada

The first year Tulsa Athletics average attendance last summer:  3,066 fans per game (putting us either at the top or just short of Chattanooga's numbers in a 61-team league).
The 2013 Tulsa Drillers: 5,704 per game at their brand new downtown ballpark.
The Tulsa Shock:  averaged between 4,800 and 5,200 per game over the past few years at the state of the art BOk Center.
The Tulsa Oilers:  4,166 per game at the BOk Center.
The Tulsa 66ers:  an average of around 2100? per game at the Spirit Bank Events Center, built at a cost of $50 million.

A few hours after watching coverage of Sporting KC winning MLS Cup at their sold out soccer specific stadium, I stood at 7th & Frankfort wondering what it would have been like to have had that final in downtown Tulsa and why we didn't seize the opportunity back when we had several real honest-to-goodness chances to get into MLS.  http://tulsanow.org/index.php/2005/12/in-the-mood-to-help-fund-a-downtown-soccer-stadium/

The first year Oklahoma City FC soccer club that plays in a league similar to Tulsa's drew 1,214 fans per game (yes sports fans, that's less than half the number of fans we drew last summer)

Yet, OKC is getting this in 2014... http://www.energyfc.com/en/home.html#0
...and this in 2015... http://www.nasl.com/index.php?id=3&newsid=5055

Looky!  An OKC Energy FC soccer scarf spotted in Stilly...
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/p480x480/1471125_429331820527400_1079910990_n.jpg)


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 18, 2013, 07:02:22 pm
Why on earth would you try to compare the Tulsa Athletics to the Thunder, Sooners and Cowboys?  

My attendance numbers are for our first year NPSL amateur club playing their home games at 15th & Yale.
Comparing an amateur soccer team's attendance to the NBA or college football is wholly inappropriate and more than a little silly.

Try comparing apples to apples, please...


The first year Tulsa Athletics average attendance last summer:  3,066 fans per game (putting us either at the top or just short of Chattanooga's numbers in a 61-team league).
The 2013 Tulsa Drillers: 5,704 per game at their brand new downtown ballpark.
The Tulsa Shock:  averaged between 4,800 and 5,200 per game over the past few years at the state of the art BOk Center.
The Tulsa Oilers:  4,166 per game at the BOk Center.
The Tulsa 66ers:  an average of around 2100? per game at the Spirit Bank Events Center, built at a cost of $50 million.

A few hours after watching coverage of Sporting KC winning MLS Cup at their sold out soccer specific stadium, I stood at 7th & Frankfort wondering what it would have been like to have had that final in downtown Tulsa and why we didn't seize the opportunity back when we had several real honest-to-goodness chances to get into MLS.  http://tulsanow.org/index.php/2005/12/in-the-mood-to-help-fund-a-downtown-soccer-stadium/

The first year Oklahoma City FC soccer club that plays in a league similar to Tulsa's drew 1,214 fans per game (yes sports fans, that's less than half the number of fans we drew last summer)

Yet, OKC is getting this in 2014... http://www.energyfc.com/en/home.html#0
...and this in 2015... http://www.nasl.com/index.php?id=3&newsid=5055



Apples to apples, huh?  I might say something similar about your comparisons of shooting sports fans to criminals.


Seems like there may just be too much disagreement in the sport of soccer to move ahead very quickly - could be the source of your frustration....they can't even agree on the size of the field.

There's always curling!  But they can't seem to agree either....




Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: TulsaRufnex on December 19, 2013, 12:43:21 am

Apples to apples, huh?  I might say something similar about your comparisons of shooting sports fans to criminals.


Seems like there may just be too much disagreement in the sport of soccer to move ahead very quickly - could be the source of your frustration....they can't even agree on the size of the field.

There's always curling!  But they can't seem to agree either....




Proof positive that you're a total moron.

I'll be rooting for the people who mow their own grass... not the sports bureaucrats who will bring a poorly designed soccer field to ONEOK Park.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 20, 2013, 11:58:42 am
Proof positive that you're a total moron.

I'll be rooting for the people who mow their own grass... not the sports bureaucrats who will bring a poorly designed soccer field to ONEOK Park.


Ahhh, yes...reverting to name calling...the last plaintive bleat of those who can think of no coherent response.  Like the people who go all 'soccer' in a basketball thread....

And remind us again how mowing one's own grass relates to either basketball OR soccer?  Well, since you have once again slid into the murky morass of personal attack, I guess I can join you there and just chalk it all up to a typical characteristic of those soccerscum.  (You do remember your pivotal moment of ignorance, don't you??  One of many...one in particular back in February.)

How's that?  Down close enough to your level yet??




Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: TulsaRufnex on December 20, 2013, 12:44:18 pm
 ::)

The good people at the Tulsa Athletics mow their own grass.

All you care about is your "guns-on-demand" political position, which is the only reason you have for posting your anti-soccer bull mularkey.

Simple, eh?


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on December 20, 2013, 04:13:31 pm
Serge Ibaka's two blocks on Joakim Noah, followed by a Kendrick Perkin's rebound and pass to K.D. with 2:50 left in the 2nd quarter leading to a fast break sparked by a Durant 3-pointer deflated the injury plagued Chicago Bulls en route to 107-95 victory.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YhI7bml7-g&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on December 22, 2013, 02:55:41 pm
The incredible play of Golden State Warriors' Stephen Curry:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW8_uELD7Fs&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

This kid is a rising star.

NBA All Star Ballot voting link:  http://allstarballot.nba.com/ballot?referrer=asb14_nbadrd&cid=asb14_nbadrd (http://allstarballot.nba.com/ballot?referrer=asb14_nbadrd&cid=asb14_nbadrd)


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 23, 2013, 06:50:52 pm
::)

The good people at the Tulsa Athletics mow their own grass.

All you care about is your "guns-on-demand" political position, which is the only reason you have for posting your anti-soccer bull mularkey.

Simple, eh?

But do they bag their grass?


The amazing thing is, I am not anti-soccer...I am anti-ignorant, uniformed, low, sloping brow mentalities that irrationally attack an entire family of sports enjoyed by tens, if not hundreds, of millions,  based on the actions of a handful criminals and other mental defectives.  I don't base my thoughts about soccer based on the criminal rioters who seem to wreak havoc way to often, especially at championship events.  They, too are just criminals who don't embody the sport as enjoyed by millions of non-criminals.

Simple?  Well, in keeping with your history....  Why, yes,...you are!!



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: TulsaRufnex on December 23, 2013, 11:01:13 pm
But do they bag their grass?


The amazing thing is, I am not anti-soccer...I am anti-ignorant, uniformed, low, sloping brow mentalities that irrationally attack an entire family of sports enjoyed by tens, if not hundreds, of millions,  based on the actions of a handful criminals and other mental defectives.  I don't base my thoughts about soccer based on the criminal rioters who seem to wreak havoc way to often, especially at championship events.  They, too are just criminals who don't embody the sport as enjoyed by millions of non-criminals.

Simple?  Well, in keeping with your history....  Why, yes,...you are!!



If you'd like to have a discussion about gun control, please start your own thread in the politics section.




Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on December 25, 2013, 09:54:30 pm
 (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSkIGxlbt6Ny22fdWSXyweWnft5WN-szhq6cjzlnGk9kLuPcwEC4w) San Antonio Spurs


San Antonio Spurs?  This team just doesn't seem to play the disciplined type ball in which they take over games like they use to play en route to four NBA championships (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007).

Houston Rockets just defeated the San Antonio Spurs 111-98.  Spurs are having problems with the more elite teams in the NBA.  Two home losses to Houston and home losses to Pacers & Thunder.

Spurs are 10-4 @ home and  12-3 on the road.

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings (http://espn.go.com/nba/standings)





Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on December 28, 2013, 12:55:46 am
Listed below are some key impact players on NBA teams who could be out for an indefinite period of time.

This has been an unusual year for NBA player injuries:

Eastern Conference

Al Horford, Atlanta
Brook Lopez, Andrei Kirilenko, Brooklyn
Rajon Rondo, Boston
Brendan Haywood, Charlotte
Derrick Rose, Chicago
Chauncey Billups, Detroit
Zaza Pachulia, Carlos Delfino, Milwaukee
Carmelo Anthony, New York
Jason Richardson, Philadelphia
Glen Rice Jr., Al Harrington, Washington


Western Conference

Devin Harris, Dallas
JaVale McGee, Danilo Gallinari, Denver
Jermaine O'Neal, Golden State
Omer Asik, Houston
Reggie Bullock, L.A. Clippers
Kobe Bryant, Steve Blake, Steve Nash, L.A. Lakers
Quincy Pondexter, Marc Gasol, Memphis
Ronny Turiaf, Minnesota
Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City
Emeka Okafor, Phoenix
Carl Landry, Sacramento

Basketball Injury News and Analysis - Rotoworld.com (http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/injuries/nba/all/)


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 01, 2014, 09:41:25 pm
If you'd like to have a discussion about gun control, please start your own thread in the politics section.





Actually, I was talking with Rookie about OKC activities and just made a small comment in reply to one of his about soccer - as a very small side note - as soccer should be in a basketball thread (and perhaps elsewhere, given it's small North American presence compared to sports like curling?).  Perhaps you missed that whole concept in Thread Posting 101...?


Perhaps an overly defensive posture on soccer is an "overcompensating" reaction?  Not just limited to people with their big guns, I guess....

Happy New Year, anyway!!



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: TulsaRufnex on January 02, 2014, 12:34:16 am
^  More nonsense.  ^   ::)


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on January 02, 2014, 05:58:20 pm

Actually, I was talking with Rookie about OKC activities and just made a small comment in reply to one of his about soccer - as a very small side note - as soccer should be in a basketball thread (and perhaps elsewhere, given it's small North American presence compared to sports like curling?).  Perhaps you missed that whole concept in Thread Posting 101...?


Perhaps an overly defensive posture on soccer is an "overcompensating" reaction?  Not just limited to people with their big guns, I guess....

Happy New Year, anyway!!



It's courteous to stay on topic as you post on threads; unfortunately, non conformity will always be a challenge throughout life.   We have to work among ourselves to maintain topic flow in the continuity of civil discourse.   We're all in this place we call the United States; it's a blessing when we all work together.  We live in a great country in which freedom of speech is taken for granted. You never stop learning...

We are thankful for having a forum like Tulsa Now with the caliber of posters who frequent this message board.

Stay positive and be courteous to those who post; we share this message board and value it as a vehicle in which we can express ourselves in exercising the freedoms this country has permitted us to enjoy. 

Thank you, Tulsa Now.
 

ďThink for yourself and let others enjoy the privilege of doing so too.Ē
― Voltaire

Happy New Year fellow posters! I've learned a lot from posting and reading views contributed by those who cultivate this forum. 

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Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: RecycleMichael on January 02, 2014, 06:41:02 pm
I don't get you Laramie.

You don't live or work here. Yet you are always telling us how good we are and how someday we might get a team as wonderful as your OKC Thunder. You constantly try talking about the NBA on a Tulsa forum, then post pictures about Tulsa icons.

Why do you post on TulsaNow?


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on January 02, 2014, 11:51:26 pm
UNBELIEVEABLE!

Oklahoma Defeats Alabama 45-31



(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/187/files/2014/01/8059384-590x367.jpg)

I'll awake tomorrow morning and discover that it was all a dream...



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 06, 2014, 12:42:13 pm
It's courteous to stay on topic as you post on threads; unfortunately, non conformity will always be a challenge throughout life.   We have to work among ourselves to maintain topic flow in the continuity of civil discourse.   We're all in this place we call the United States; it's a blessing when we all work together.  We live in a great country in which freedom of speech is taken for granted. You never stop learning...

We are thankful for having a forum like Tulsa Now with the caliber of posters who frequent this message board.

Stay positive and be courteous to those who post; we share this message board and value it as a vehicle in which we can express ourselves in exercising the freedoms this country has permitted us to enjoy.  

Thank you, Tulsa Now.
 




I think I have mentioned in the past that one of my "guiding lights" is the Golden Rule - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Perhaps the corollary would be an additional guideline - Do unto others as they do unto you.

I haven't check your posts specifically, so am wondering if there was a similar admonishment to the soccer guy in past posts involving much less than civil discourse?




Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 06, 2014, 12:43:10 pm
^  More nonsense.  ^   ::)


Catchy comeback!  Much like a 14 year old junior high girl....



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: TulsaRufnex on January 06, 2014, 06:08:28 pm
^ Another personal attack ^

My views on soccer have nothing to do with my views on gun control, politics, religion, or basketball.
And I don't have the time to respond to every bit of soccer trolling nonsense you spew forth on this forum.

Have a nice day.





Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on January 06, 2014, 08:06:37 pm
I don't get you Laramie.

You don't live or work here. Yet you are always telling us how good we are and how someday we might get a team as wonderful as your OKC Thunder. You constantly try talking about the NBA on a Tulsa forum, then post pictures about Tulsa icons.

Why do you post on TulsaNow?

Laramie is just overcompensating for OKC because the only thing people know about OKC is the Thunder and a bunch of street racing rednecks on Discovery Channel.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on January 07, 2014, 01:34:38 pm
^ Another personal attack ^

My views on soccer have nothing to do with my views on gun control, politics, religion, or basketball.
And I don't have the time to respond to every bit of soccer trolling nonsense you spew forth on this forum.

Have a nice day.




Gotta try to catch up.... in quantity and lack of quality...


Oops...was that another one?  Naw....

But it's getting boring.  Lack of challenge.











Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on January 19, 2014, 03:52:58 pm
Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors

How did this guy slip through the radar of so many NBA teams in the 2009 NBA draft? 

He was the 7th draft pick in the 2009 NBA draft selected by the Golden State Warriors.  The same year the Thunder selected James Harden; Timberwolves chose Ricky Rubio and the  Clippers picked OU's Blake Griffin as the No. 1 pick in the overall draft.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Stephen_Curry_2.jpg/225px-Stephen_Curry_2.jpg)http://www.nba.com/playerfile/stephen_curry/ (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/stephen_curry/)
Stephen Curry

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/James_Harden.jpg/225px-James_Harden.jpg)
James Harden


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Ricky_Rubio-MN_v_DET.jpg/225px-Ricky_Rubio-MN_v_DET.jpg)
Ricky Rubio

Minnesota had a chance to draft Rubio along with Curry; instead they went with Johnny Flynn, he was the sixth draft pick in the 2009 NBA draft.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Rookie Okie on January 19, 2014, 04:38:05 pm
Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors

How did this guy slip through the radar of so many NBA teams in the 2009 NBA draft? 

He was the 7th draft pick in the 2009 NBA draft selected by the Golden State Warriors.  The same year the Thunder selected James Harden; Timberwolves chose Ricky Rubio and the  Clippers picked OU's Blake Griffin as the No. 1 pick in the overall draft.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Stephen_Curry_2.jpg/225px-Stephen_Curry_2.jpg)http://www.nba.com/playerfile/stephen_curry/ (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/stephen_curry/)
Stephen Curry

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/James_Harden.jpg/225px-James_Harden.jpg)
James Harden


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Ricky_Rubio-MN_v_DET.jpg/225px-Ricky_Rubio-MN_v_DET.jpg)
Ricky Rubio

Minnesota had a chance to draft Rubio along with Curry; instead they went with Johnny Flynn, he was the sixth draft pick in the 2009 NBA draft.

Laramie, the #7 pick is still in the lottery.  In this case, it wasn't exactly under the radar.  The 1st four teams selected mainly on the basis of need.  Blake, Harden, and Tyreke Evans have all worked out very well.  Hasheem Thabeet, oh well there is always going to be some team hoping that they can turn a 7'3" project into the next Kareem.  The Timberwolves were really the team that passed on Steph by taking 2 PG's at #5 and #6, R. Rubio and  J. Flynn, respectively, and apparently missed the mark with both.  Rubio is a good passer but an absolute awful shooter. Curry for as great as he is on offense, isn't giving you anything on the defensive end (nor does most of his teammates). So while the Warriors are an exciting bunch to watch, don't expect to see them playing too far into June. 



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: RecycleMichael on January 20, 2014, 12:06:02 pm
Stephan Curry is having a great year, but Ricky Rubio ain't been bad. He is in the top five among Point Guards in assists and points and is the best in the league in rebounds and steals at his position.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on January 20, 2014, 05:35:38 pm
Stephan Curry is having a great year, but Ricky Rubio ain't been bad. He is in the top five among Point Guards in assists and points and is the best in the league in rebounds and steals at his position.

Rubio is among the elite in the NBA when it comes to a pure point guard.  He is very methodical when it comes to breaking down the defense.  

Thunder's Westbrook is not a true point guard; however, he does complement the pieces and deficiencies OKC currently have in place.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Rookie Okie on January 20, 2014, 09:59:21 pm
Rubio is among the elite in the NBA when it comes to a pure point guard.  He is very methodical when it comes to breaking down the defense.  

Thunder's Westbrook is not a true point guard; however, he does complement the pieces and deficiencies OKC currently have in place.
Rubio is not an elite PG, and not in the top 5 or 10 best at the position (exclusive of injured D. Rose and just returning R. Rondo). While he has good stats for assists, steals, and rebounds, his overall play is not as impressive as that of the leaders.  Off the top of my head he is not in the class of C. Paul, S. Curry, T. Parker, J. Wall, D. Lillard, T. Lawson, K. Irving, and D. Williams.  I could go on.   His team was predicted to be a playoff team this season and started out promising, and they have underperformed to this point in large measure due to his inability to score (either won't or can't get going offensively).  His shooting is so horrific that defenders just leave him alone to double other players.  Little JJ Berea gives much more of an offensive punch coming off the bench.  Rubio is currently the subject of a lot of trade rumors, but has been difficult to unload.  As the #5 overall pick and the 1st PG taken in the 2009 draft, more was expected of him and he has not lived up to the hype.  Not only did the T-Wolves take him and Flynn as PG's with the #5 and #6 picks, they also took another PG Ty Lawson with the #18 pick in the same draft!  They traded him right away to the Nuggets where he's worked out great.  Did they trade the wrong guy out of the 3?



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on January 21, 2014, 12:23:18 am
Rubio is not an elite PG, and not in the top 5 or 10 best at the position (exclusive of injured D. Rose and just returning R. Rondo). While he has good stats for assists, steals, and rebounds, his overall play is not as impressive as that of the leaders.  Off the top of my head he is not in the class of C. Paul, S. Curry, T. Parker, J. Wall, D. Lillard, T. Lawson, K. Irving, and D. Williams.  I could go on.   His team was predicted to be a playoff team this season and started out promising, and they have underperformed to this point in large measure due to his inability to score (either won't or can't get going offensively).  His shooting is so horrific that defenders just leave him alone to double other players.  Little JJ Berea gives much more of an offensive punch coming off the bench.  Rubio is currently the subject of a lot of trade rumors, but has been difficult to unload.  As the #5 overall pick and the 1st PG taken in the 2009 draft, more was expected of him and he has not lived up to the hype.  Not only did the T-Wolves take him and Flynn as PG's with the #5 and #6 picks, they also took another PG Ty Lawson with the #18 pick in the same draft!  They traded him right away to the Nuggets where he's worked out great.  Did they trade the wrong guy out of the 3?

Good points, you're very knowledgeable about the NBA.



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: RecycleMichael on January 21, 2014, 08:05:05 am
I have Paul, Rubio, and Westbrook on my fantasy basketball roster. I compare the stats of all players by position and make many roster moves per season looking for the hot player.  You guys watch basketball and compare other skills besides stats. All I care about is production.

Rubio is a top five point guard this year in almost every category.

Stats are math, not opinion.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on January 21, 2014, 10:15:45 am
I have Paul, Rubio, and Westbrook on my fantasy basketball roster. I compare the stats of all players by position and make many roster moves per season looking for the hot player.  You guys watch basketball and compare other skills besides stats. All I care about is production.

Rubio is a top five point guard this year in almost every category.

Stats are math, not opinion.

Agree,  Rubio's' stats are impressive...

That was my point about Rubio being more of a pure point guard than Westbrook.   Rookie Okie and I were discussing the elite status.  One source I checked had Rubio at 16 among the top 30 point guards in the NBA.  Post Westbrook, most NBA teams are shifting toward a point guard who is a shooter as well as a distributor.

http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/10/nba-point-guard-rankings-2013-14/ (http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/10/nba-point-guard-rankings-2013-14/)

My overall assessment of Rubio; he is a pure point guard.  I'm was surprised hearing that Minnesota T-Wolves might be trying to unload him.  Rubio is on the books making roughly $3.7 million.  He (Rubio) wants to play for New York, Chicago or Los Angeles.  It's not likely that he's going to get into any of these markets anytime soon.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Rookie Okie on January 21, 2014, 09:30:35 pm
Rubio is probably a good fantasy pick.  It just doesn't jibe with reality.   I believe some of what makes Rubio a good fantasy pick also heightened the buzz around him at draft time that led the T-wolves to overreach for him in their selection.  On top of that he opted not to join the team until 2 seasons later (maybe he knew he wasn't ready).  

I agree stats are math, but when used effectively they can help us understand weaknesses or areas of opportunity for improvement.  His shooting is poor, scoring is paltry and both have declined in his 3 seasons.  When opponents are doubling and tripling K-Love at his expense, he simply must up his offensive game.

Now with Westbrook, the fantasy is the REALITY!

AND THE THUNDER JUST COMPLETED A FANTASY LIKE FINISH OF THE TRAILBALZERS 105 - 97!!! Talking about some payback!  Another 40+ night (46 points) for the league's MVP K.D.!


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: RecycleMichael on January 22, 2014, 07:07:02 am
Rubio a good guy...

http://deadspin.com/ricky-rubio-practices-bounce-passes-with-little-girl-du-1506336074?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on January 23, 2014, 11:28:49 pm
Rubio started playing professional basketball in 2005 with the Spanish ACB League at age 14. 

He is currently on the books for $3.7 million annually with the Timberwolves.  His stats are not all that impressive; however IMHO he is a true point guard.  Through 41 games he currently logs 31.4 MPG, averages 8.6 PPG, 85% FTM, 8.2 APG, .371 FTP, 2.7 TOPG.

MPG=minutes per game
PPG=points per game
FTM=free throws made
APG=assists per game
FTP=free throw percentage
TOPG=turnovers per game
 


 


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: RecycleMichael on January 24, 2014, 08:24:29 am
Rubio also rarely turns the ball over averaging less than 2.4 per game. Curry is over 4 per game and Westbrook is over 4.4.

Rubio also leads the league at his position for steals per game at 2.7 per game. Curry is 1.9 and Westbrook is 1.8.

Point guard play ain't all about points scored. Half the turnovers and 50% more steals is worth noting.

Don't get me wrong, I love Westbrook and Curry is a beast, but you guys act like Rubio is cat food.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on January 30, 2014, 07:47:56 pm
NBA All-Star Full Roster & Reserves for 2014.   List and Analysis for East and West

Eastern Conference Starters

Starters
BC Dwyane Wade  
BC Kyrie Irving
FC LeBron James
FC Paul George  
FC Carmelo Anthony

Reserves
BC John Wall
BC DeMar DeRozan  
BC Joe Johnson
FC Roy Hibbert  
FC Joakim Noah
FC Paul Millsap

Western Conference Starters

Starters  
BC Stephen Curry
BC Kobe Bryant
FC Kevin Durant
FC Blake Griffin  
FC Kevin Love

Reserves
BC Chris Paul  
BC Damian Lillard  
BC Tony Parker
BC James Harden  
FC LaMarcus Aldridge  
FC Dirk Nowitzki
FC Dwight Howard  


Source: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1942347-nba-all-star-reserves-2014-full-roster-list-and-analysis-for-east-and-west (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1942347-nba-all-star-reserves-2014-full-roster-list-and-analysis-for-east-and-west)





Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Rookie Okie on January 31, 2014, 03:20:27 pm
Rubio also rarely turns the ball over averaging less than 2.4 per game. Curry is over 4 per game and Westbrook is over 4.4.

Rubio also leads the league at his position for steals per game at 2.7 per game. Curry is 1.9 and Westbrook is 1.8.

Point guard play ain't all about points scored. Half the turnovers and 50% more steals is worth noting.

Don't get me wrong, I love Westbrook and Curry is a beast, but you guys act like Rubio is cat food.
More like cat smoot than cat food is what comes to mind. 

RR is alright, just saying what others have stated in that he is somewhat disappointing from all of the hype.  PG guard play isn't all about points but his scoring needs to rise since his team is underachieving.  Again, due to his offensive deficiencies teams totally ignore him as a threat to shoot and score, and double and triple his teammates.  He isn't even a threat if and when he is in the lane near the basket. He'll just go underneath the goal or run the baseline and pass it back out.  If Curry and Wesbrook consistently give me 20+ points a night as they do, I can live with 4 turnovers because they are delivering solid productivity.  Westbrook is hustling and really getting after it, so his highly energized style of play and athleticism may lead to a turnover here or there.  He is often willing to take more risks which lead to an occasional turnover, but more often than not his extra efforts create advantages for him and his teammates. 

Stats can be effective when they are used to improve a situation (and apparently RR and his operatives arenít using them for said purpose), otherwise they can be meaningless.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: RecycleMichael on January 31, 2014, 06:05:00 pm
Westbrook hasn't played for a month and his team is playing better without him. How valuable can he be?


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on January 31, 2014, 07:12:58 pm
Westbrook hasn't played for a month and his team is playing better without him. How valuable can he be?

Million dollar question?  It's going to be tough for a small market team like OKC to resign Kevin Durant, Reggie Jackson, Jeremy Lamb and  Thabo Sefolosha for the upcoming seasons.  Will there be enough money to retain what Westbrook's market may demand?   


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Rookie Okie on January 31, 2014, 09:05:00 pm
Westbrook hasn't played for a month and his team is playing better without him. How valuable can he be?
You will see when he returns.  Clearly the 2nd best player on the team, and inarguably one of the league's 10 best.  With him, OKC could/ should be favored to win the NBA title this year.  Without him, those odds are lessened.  What we're witnessing now in addition to Durant's MVP in the bag performance is the other players feeding off his play and improving their own.  The Thunder definitely need to get as much out of everyone, but it will not be enough without Westbrook if they get into June.  The further a team goes in the playoffs, it will need consistent production from its stars because the role players (especially the inexperienced) will not always step up and be counted on under the mounting pressure.  If the Thunder make it to the finals against either the Pacers or Heat more than likely, they will be facing extremely tough defenses.  Westbrook could be the x-factor when Durant is doubled or tripled and the other teammates don't respond.  Westbrook is a fearless warrior who is not afraid of pressure.  I've not seen him freeze up.  His previous finals experience will be to the Thunder's advantage.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Rookie Okie on January 31, 2014, 10:24:13 pm
Million dollar question?  It's going to be tough for a small market team like OKC to resign Kevin Durant, Reggie Jackson, Jeremy Lamb and  Thabo Sefolosha for the upcoming seasons.  Will there be enough money to retain what Westbrook's market may demand?   
A lot of this will hinge on Durant.  Many insiders who are close to him believe he wants to win more than be paid the king's ransom that Brooklyn, the Lakers or other suitors will dangle in front.  So the current indicators point to him remaining with the Thunder.  The Lebron James model of sacrificing salary for success has now been well proven, so it might make sense to follow that here as well.  Most teams can no longer afford to retain all of their core (not necessarily star) players in any sized market over multiple seasons, so it likely isn't possible or necessary to sign each of the other 3 you mention. 

Remember the Thunder couldn't resign Harden after 2012, but now have completely overcome that loss (mainly the disruption in chemistry that it caused).  Last year some observers said the team was no longer championship caliber, but now in just the 2nd season since his departure they are definitely back to the upper echelon.  Understand the priorities for signing are Durant and Westbrook, continue to run a class organization, keep doing the best to manage the rest, and the Thunder should remain successful.  Keep in mind, good players would like come to play with Durant no matter where he is or lands, so it may not be as difficult to acquire and maintain talent (to offset players lost to free agency) in OKC as it might appear given the small market size.

Thunder 120 - Nets 95!  Go Thunder! Go Thunder!


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on January 31, 2014, 10:29:17 pm
You will see when he returns.  Clearly the 2nd best player on the team, and inarguably one of the league's 10 best.  With him, OKC could/ should be favored to win the NBA title this year.  Without him, those odds are lessened.  What we're witnessing now in addition to Durant's MVP in the bag performance is the other players feeding off his play and improving their own.  The Thunder definitely need to get as much out of everyone, but it will not be enough without Westbrook if they get into June.  The further a team goes in the playoffs, it will need consistent production from its stars because the role players (especially the inexperienced) will not always step up and be counted on under the mounting pressure.  If the Thunder make it to the finals against either the Pacers or Heat more than likely, they will be facing extremely tough defenses.  Westbrook could be the x-factor when Durant is doubled or tripled and the other teammates don't respond.  Westbrook is a fearless warrior who is not afraid of pressure.  I've not seen him freeze up.  His previous finals experience will be to the Thunder's advantage.

Good 120-95 victory over the Brooklyn Nets.

Interesting point Rookie Okie: Jackson's height is becoming a concern because he has trouble passing the ball when trapped by a double-team as was seen in the Thunder-Heat game on Wednesday night.

Critics will be putting Westbrook under the microscope when he returns to see if the team plays better with him.  Thunder plays better with Durant, Westbrook & Jackson on the floor.

Reports are that the Thunder made $30 million last year season (2012-12); however, the owners were hemorrhaging money after purchasing the team from Starbucks' magnet Howard Schultz group losing nearly $60 million before relocating from Seattle.

We'll see how much they value the potential of winning an NBA championship vs. the financial aspects of the bottom line on the books...


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: RecycleMichael on January 31, 2014, 11:53:25 pm
I have done well in Vegas this week betting on the Thunder. The NBA is covering my blackjack losses.

Curry is keeping me in profit tonight.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Rookie Okie on February 01, 2014, 12:29:05 am
I have done well in Vegas this week betting on the Thunder. The NBA is covering my blackjack losses.

Curry is keeping me in profit tonight.
Think big and aim high.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Rookie Okie on February 01, 2014, 05:33:08 pm
I have done well in Vegas this week betting on the Thunder. The NBA is covering my blackjack losses.

Curry is keeping me in profit tonight.
The Thunder can also keep you fed these days.  White Flag has been offering up free burgers when the Thunder score over 105 points in a game.  I don't know how many burgers WF has given out during the past month with this promotion since they've been scoring like crazy.  But it will be interesting to see if and how much longer WF can continue the promotion.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on February 13, 2014, 02:07:45 pm
National Basketball Association Expansion-Relocation?


"As evidence, Stern pointed to the number of international players entering the league, specifically from Africa. Indeed, the NBA's growth in popularity internationally is a key reason the league could support not only one or two additional teams but potentially several more."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10447496/nba-world-talent-pool-support-nba-expansion (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10447496/nba-world-talent-pool-support-nba-expansion)


Previously, there had been talk of adding two to possibly as many as six franchises to the current 30 NBA with a 32-36 team format.  The new commissioner isn't to keen on expansion or relocation.  Could Memphis & New Orleans be among current NBA markets with relocation in mind?

Most of what's been in the press about expansion-relocation has been centered around markets like Kansas City, Las Vegas, Louisville, Norfolk-Virginia Beach, Richmond, Seattle, St. Louis and Vancouver B. C.

St. Louis (Hawks to Atlanta), Kansas City (Kings to Sacramento), Vancouver (Grizzlies to Memphis) and Seattle (Supersonics to OKC) are among former cities which would get a second look for possible expansion and/or relocation.

There are some current cities struggling to support their NBA franchises like New Orleans and Memphis.  Memphis has the Memphis State basketball in the same market as does Louisville with the University of Louisville in their market.

The KFC Yum Center does have its concerns:  http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/02/controversy-in-louisvilles-lease-with-the-yum-center/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/02/controversy-in-louisvilles-lease-with-the-yum-center/)

Louisville is the currently the best equipped city to handle expansion with the KFC Yum Center which could be retrofitted for the NBA with a reduced size of 20,000 placing it among the largest NBA arena.

Las Vegas has been one of those cities in which the Fab Four (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL) Leagues have avoid in the past because of the gambling element.

Seattle comes into the mix with big money behind a privately funded arena which would require a two tenant (NBA-NHL) occupancy moving forward.  The NHL isn't looking to expand or relocate at the current time.

Missouri:  Kansas City & St. Louis are considered overextended markets at this time.    Denver is an overextended market doing great supporting MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL & MLS.  Missouri's two largest cities does possess facilities which could easily accommodate the NBA.

Vancouver, B.C.  could the NBA return to this area of the Pacific Northwest?

Virginia:  Norfolk-Virginia Beach (1.7 million) and Richmond (1.3 million) has been somewhat on the NBA's radar; these areas are less than 100 miles apart.  There is no current arena in any of these areas which could support an NBA franchise.

The NBA has rejected the idea of the San Jose, CA market getting an NBA franchise although it has a facility; because of its proximity to current NBA franchises in Oakland-San Francisco (Warriors) and the Sacramento Kings in that valley.  Yet, California maintains that should the Kings attempt to exit, San Jose, Anaheim and San Diego would attempt to lure the Kings to those cities.  There is no current facility in San Diego capable of long-term housing of an NBA or NHL franchise.

Where would be the best markets for the NBA to possibly expand or relocate?  Is there dark-horse city on the NBA's horizon like Albuquerque, Mexico City or Omaha in the mix?


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on April 18, 2014, 01:42:38 pm
George Kaiser buys Thunder stake

Tulsa businessman George B. Kaiser is the newest co-owner of the Oklahoma City Thunder after buying out the ownership interest of Tom Ward.


http://newsok.com/george-kaiser-buys-thunder-stake/article/4056832 (http://newsok.com/george-kaiser-buys-thunder-stake/article/4056832)


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on September 23, 2014, 06:52:26 pm

(https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608028006318081368&pid=15.1&P=0)

NBA in TULSA:   Timberwolves vs. Thunder, Sunday, October 19, BOK Center - 7:00 P.M.



What's coming out of Barcelona?
 Rockets sign Greek forward Kostas Papanikolaou to two-year deal
 

(https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608055051718888537&pid=15.1&P=0) (https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608000604418802707&pid=15.1&P=0)

Papanikolaou played for FC Barcelona Basquet last season and averaged 6.9 points in 25 minutes per game. He has won two Euroleague titles.

This offseason, the Rockets lost forward Chandler Parsons in free agency to the Dallas Mavericks and replaced him with Trevor Ariza.

Rockets sign Kostas Papanikolaou to two-year, $4.8 million deal - NBA - SI.com (http://www.si.com/nba/2014/09/23/rockets-sign-kostas-papanikolaou-two-year-contract)

Tyler Pleiss, a Thunder draftee, will spend the upcoming season in Barcelona...  ...Thunder intend to bring the center to Oklahoma City for the 2015-16 season

(https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608025519522516116&pid=15.1&P=0)

24 years old, 7'1'' - 180 lbs.,  Pleiss brings a great deal of size to that frontcourt though and has the ability to stretch the floor with his shooting.



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 23, 2014, 08:10:08 pm
Too skinny. He will never score ten points in a game in the NBA.

I am willing to bet that if you are interested.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on September 23, 2014, 09:14:40 pm
Correction:  My Bad!


Tibor Pleiss
German, 7'1"  269 lb  Center

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Tibor; not Tyler

Thanks, RecycleMichael for calling that to my attention.



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: davideinstein on September 24, 2014, 05:15:51 am
Hornets are back!!!


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Red Arrow on September 24, 2014, 06:21:21 am
Hornets are back!!!

There's a spray for that.
 
 :D


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Conan71 on September 24, 2014, 08:27:09 am
Anyone know if excursion trains from Sapulpa to MWC will be running this year for Thunder games?


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on September 24, 2014, 11:46:09 am
Anyone know if excursion trains from Sapulpa to MWC will be running this year for Thunder games?

Eastern Flyer (877) 726-7245

There's a new passenger rail service connecting the Oklahoma City
  metro and Tulsa. The "Eastern Flyer" is presented by Iowa Pacific
  and Stillwater Central Railroad and it will run between Midwest City
  and Sapulpa.
 
 The first trip is slated for February 9, followed by additional
  trips on Feb. 15 and 23, 2014. Train departures from Sapulpa are at 8
  a.m., returning to Sapulpa at 6:30 p.m. Packages and fares start at
  $70 per adult and $64 per child.

Here's a link:  http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,3270231 (http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,3270231)


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Conan71 on September 24, 2014, 03:25:47 pm
Eastern Flyer (877) 726-7245

There's a new passenger rail service connecting the Oklahoma City
  metro and Tulsa. The "Eastern Flyer" is presented by Iowa Pacific
  and Stillwater Central Railroad and it will run between Midwest City
  and Sapulpa.
 
 The first trip is slated for February 9, followed by additional
  trips on Feb. 15 and 23, 2014. Train departures from Sapulpa are at 8
  a.m., returning to Sapulpa at 6:30 p.m. Packages and fares start at
  $70 per adult and $64 per child.

Here's a link:  http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,3270231 (http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,3270231)

That would be awesome if that news story werenít nine months old.  Unfortunately, the newest news on it is from last Feb.


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on June 26, 2015, 05:31:31 pm
NBA Draft 2015

Thunder select Cameron Payne of Murray State:

(http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/37/25/64/8215819/3/628x471.jpg)
Left handed, H: 6' 2" W: 183 lbs., point guard, could be good replacement for D. J. Augustin.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Cameron-Payne-70346/ (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Cameron-Payne-70346/)

Quote
On Friday, the website DraftExpress.com reported that Payne, a lefty, sustained a "non-displaced fracture in his ring finger," on his right hand during a recent workout in Denver. According to the site, Payne will sit out for three weeks, which means he likely will miss his first action with his new team if he joins an organization that competes in the Orlando Summer League (July 4-10).--source IndyStar Insider


Billy Donovan's challenge will be to take this young man to the next level.



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on August 12, 2015, 06:01:55 pm
Oklahoma City Thunder 2015-16 schedule released:

     October: 2 GP:   1 home/1 away

          November: 16 GP:  10 home/6 away
          December:  15 GP:  9 home/6 away

          January:  16 GP:  7 home/9 away
          February:  11 GP:  6 Home/5 away

          March:  16 GP:  7 home/9 away
          April:  6 GP:  1 home/5 away

April:  First 4 of 6 games on the road (Houston, Denver, Portland & Sacramento); then home against Los Angeles, close out the season @San Antonio.

Nationally televised:  ESPN: 10 - NBA  TV (blacked out):  9 - TNT:  9 - ABC - 5  (24 nationally televised games).

          Turner Media NBA version:  http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/thunder/ThunderBroadcastSked-201516.pdf (http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/thunder/ThunderBroadcastSked-201516.pdf)

          ESPN version:  http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/okc (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/okc)


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on October 14, 2015, 08:06:08 am
Great loud crowd last night (17,978) at the BOK Center for the Thunder-Mavericks preseason exhibition game.   The loudest I've witnessed for a Thunder preseason game since the team's relocation from Seattle to Oklahoma.

http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400830115 (http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400830115)



Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on November 01, 2015, 11:28:58 am
Oklahoma City Thunder vs Orlando Magic | October 30, 2015 | NBA 2015-16 Season

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oqywv_wzWBw

Great overtime win by Thunder over the Magic in the season's first week.

This young Orlando Magic team will be a wrecking crew in the Eastern Conference


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on November 23, 2015, 01:02:02 pm
Pat Riley praises Stephen Curry-Klay Thompson tandem, sees 'dynastic' potential in Golden State Warriors (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14203719/pat-riley-praises-stephen-curry-klay-thompson-tandem-sees-dynastic-potential-golden-state-warriors)

Quote
"They are the two most dynamic players in the backcourt, that I have ever seen, since Jerry West and Gail Goodrich," Riley said. "Go back and check their numbers, 25 points apiece and Jerry leading the team in assists, Gail shooting close to 50 percent or whatever it was. Both of them could shoot it, could drive it, could pass it. That's what you're seeing here."

The Splash brothers are on fire!


Title: Re: National Basketball Association Action.
Post by: Laramie on February 10, 2016, 11:39:42 pm
Wife of OKC assistant Monty Williams dies at 44


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Oklahoma City Thunder Basketball - Thunder News, Scores, Stats, Rumors & More - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/okc/oklahoma-city-thunder)

Our prayers & condolences are to be bestowed upon the family of Monty Williams.  May the Lord find peace & comfort to you & your family during this time of bereavement.


And if my heart and flesh are weak, To bear an untired pain, The bruised reed He will not break, But strengthen & sustain.

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