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Title: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: Ed W on April 28, 2013, 02:20:34 pm
Here are some excerpts from this AP story:

Buoyed by its success hosting a major fishing tournament this winter, Oklahoma's second-largest city is now dreaming of something faster, higher, stronger: the 2024 Summer Olympics.

...The Tulsa area has around 13,000 hotel rooms, far fewer than the 45,000 required, and Mavis said the city would have to finance and build an Olympic stadium to host major events...

And the price tag? It's steep: Mavis estimates it would take a $3.5 billion budget to host the Summer Games, though he insisted no local tax dollars would be used.



http://www.newsday.com/sports/olympics/tulsa-wants-to-host-2024-summer-olympics-1.5155280 (http://www.newsday.com/sports/olympics/tulsa-wants-to-host-2024-summer-olympics-1.5155280)

I suppose we should be flattered that the USOC sent a letter to Tulsa, but seriously, going from a bass fishing contest to the Olympics?  We probably stand a better chance at hosting the winter games.


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: guido911 on April 28, 2013, 02:25:35 pm
We probably stand a better chance at hosting the winter games.

I always wanted to ski down the drive way at the Vintage on Yale apartments.


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: Ed W on April 28, 2013, 02:41:36 pm
We could have the giant slalom around the orange traffic barrels on 11th Street.


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: AquaMan on April 28, 2013, 03:20:24 pm
Not many Tulsan's would attend. We don't care much for, you know...foreigners and their strange ways. We have plenty of parking for them anyway.


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: Red Arrow on April 28, 2013, 03:46:07 pm
Mavis estimates it would take a $3.5 billion budget to host the Summer Games, though he insisted no local tax dollars would be used.

I'd rather spend that kind of money on a (real) trolley system.


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: Red Arrow on April 28, 2013, 03:57:03 pm
Not many Tulsan's would attend. We don't care much for, you know...foreigners and their strange ways.

We could learn to tolerate foreigners that bring money.
 
 ;D


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: Ed W on April 28, 2013, 03:59:55 pm
I heard that Mitt Romney is out of work, so maybe he'd consider taking on this project.


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: guido911 on April 28, 2013, 07:31:31 pm
I heard that Mitt Romney is out of work, so maybe he'd consider taking on this project.

Or maybe, Obama can go to the IOC and use his incredible sway. It worked out so well with Chicago.   :P

As for Romney:

(http://flyinis4me.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/ponder.jpg)


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: sgrizzle on April 28, 2013, 08:16:24 pm
I'd rather spend that kind of money on a (real) trolley system.

They would have to put in a trolley, train, monorail and segway rental to get the visitors to and from venues.


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: Red Arrow on April 28, 2013, 08:38:51 pm
They would have to put in a trolley, train, monorail and segway rental to get the visitors to and from venues.

Well, if we could get all of that and get someone else to pay for it, let's go for it.
 
 :D

(I think the chances are something like the proverbial snowball in he11.)


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: davideinstein on April 28, 2013, 11:35:20 pm
No thanks.


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: RecycleMichael on May 17, 2013, 03:58:19 pm
Must click...

http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/21912/tulsa-inspires-small-town-olympic-dreams


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: TheArtist on May 18, 2013, 11:31:07 am
Must click...

http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/21912/tulsa-inspires-small-town-olympic-dreams

We are not THAT bad,,, are we? lol.

example...

"The main gym floors at our high school and our town’s YMCA have lines for basketball and volleyball. There is also a full-sized basketball court at the middle school, but the floor is pretty old and it is slippery even if it’s just been swept."

though this is a fairly accurate picture of of our mass transit infrastructure... (how does Tulsa plan to solve that issue?)

"We also have a bus that looks like a trolley car that we bring out for special events -- town festivals, parades, etc. -- that would be available for the Olympics."


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 20, 2013, 08:51:54 am
Well, if we could get all of that and get someone else to pay for it, let's go for it.
 
 


There is that 'turnpike school of thought' going there....!


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on May 20, 2013, 08:56:15 am
Must click...

http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/21912/tulsa-inspires-small-town-olympic-dreams

Written by a native Tulsan who knows the place intimately.....


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: AquaMan on May 20, 2013, 10:28:38 am
"Cruise ships coming up the Arkansas Navigation Channel"????

And what...drop off people at Muskogee or the Port at Catoosa to drive the rest of the way?

There should be some requirements to apply. Like real mass transit, at least the demonstrated ability to invite, host and operate a professional sports team, and a large enough airport to handle the crush of visitors.

Nonetheless, Dewey has the right attitude about it. Fine if there's a little humor about it and fine if they seriously consider us.


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: Oil Capital on May 20, 2013, 12:05:25 pm
"Cruise ships coming up the Arkansas Navigation Channel"????

And what...drop off people at Muskogee or the Port at Catoosa to drive the rest of the way?


That is a pretty hilarious idea, and reflects a common misunderstanding of the Tulsa port.  It is not a port for ocean-going vessels. It is a river port for barges.  The channel is neither wide enough nor deep enough for ocean-going vessels, including cruise ships.  (Not to mention that cruise ships would not fit under the vast majority of bridges leading to the port of Tulsa.)  If they are referring to river cruise ships, I doubt there are enough of them in existence to make up the housing shortage.


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: patric on August 04, 2016, 03:45:11 pm
No medals have yet been awarded, and Rio is already an exemplar of the Olympics’ disastrous model of urban development and planning. This is a disaster 30 years in the making. As with almost all host cities over the last couple of decades, Rio is unlikely to see any perceptible post-Olympics rise in growth, employment, wages, or tourism, and the gains that are made in terms of new transport infrastructure and housing are overwhelmingly focused on neighborhoods that are already super wealthy.


http://qz.com/748894/nobody-wants-to-host-the-olympic-games-anymore-can-you-blame-them/



Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: Hoss on August 04, 2016, 04:38:20 pm
No medals have yet been awarded, and Rio is already an exemplar of the Olympics’ disastrous model of urban development and planning. This is a disaster 30 years in the making. As with almost all host cities over the last couple of decades, Rio is unlikely to see any perceptible post-Olympics rise in growth, employment, wages, or tourism, and the gains that are made in terms of new transport infrastructure and housing are overwhelmingly focused on neighborhoods that are already super wealthy.


http://qz.com/748894/nobody-wants-to-host-the-olympic-games-anymore-can-you-blame-them/



Hell, they got hurt bad enough by the World Cup.

Another John Oliver piece to make my point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I

You think they would have learned...


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: Conan71 on August 04, 2016, 10:34:44 pm
No medals have yet been awarded, and Rio is already an exemplar of the Olympics’ disastrous model of urban development and planning. This is a disaster 30 years in the making. As with almost all host cities over the last couple of decades, Rio is unlikely to see any perceptible post-Olympics rise in growth, employment, wages, or tourism, and the gains that are made in terms of new transport infrastructure and housing are overwhelmingly focused on neighborhoods that are already super wealthy.


http://qz.com/748894/nobody-wants-to-host-the-olympic-games-anymore-can-you-blame-them/



Well Duh.  It’s no longer about the athleticism of the world’s best amateur athletes which was the purpose of the Olympics in the first place. 

It has become about showcasing cities, countries, and the best professional athletes from each sport.

40 years ago, I recall Franz Klamer from the Innsbruck Olympics and Caitlyn (nee Bruce) Jenner from the Montreal games.  These were simple athletes, but we started to put them on a pedestal and started to find ways for them to profit off all the hard training they put in to help sustain them for the rest of their lives.  Maybe it was Mark Spitz and Olga Korbut from the doomed Olympics of Munich in 1972 who first hit the Wheaties boxes and it all changed from there.

Bottom line is, no one who organizes or manages the Olympics really cares about the Olympians anymore and I’m not sure the participants do it for the love of the sport anymore, it’s a means for self-enrichment.


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: cannon_fodder on August 05, 2016, 07:20:03 am
I don't mind the fact that it is professional athletes, at least as it pertains to the sports which are not "main stream" giant cash generating machines. Having the best athletes in the world for track and field, bad mitten, rowing, gymnastics, archery, swimming, fencing, etc. is all fine with me. For these athletes, the Olympics are the biggest event and the best chance to "make it" in your sport.  A world championship is nice, but Olympic gold is the dream and very likely the only way to "make it big" as the worlds best [insert non-major spectator sport here].

But tennis, golf, basketball, etc.?  The Olympics becomes maybe the 5th most important tournament of the year for both golf and tennis, who cares? For basketball, it sure is fun to watch team USA crush the rest of the world - but not only is the event nearly a foregone conclusion, it isn't the biggest basketball "dream" of the vast, vast majority of the guys in the game. And the ones chosen surely don't need to showcase their stuff, they've "made it" already. I'm a pretty big cycling fan, and God knows I'm excited about watching Peter Sagan compete in the mountain bike events... but it just doesn't seem right. Particularly for the road cyclists, the Olympics are again the 4th or 5th most important race of the year.

For those sports, let the amateurs take a crack at it. Boxing still sticks to this model. Mens soccer follows a modified version of this model (U23 + 3 over the age of 23).

/damn thread drift
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Hosting the Olympics *could* be an excellent opportunity for a city to really step up its game. To invest in infrastructure quality of life, beautification, and announce the city on the world stage. Those proposals have been made. Unfortunately, they rarely advance and are never selected.

Lets look at the Tulsa bid. A quality rail link to OKC would be essential to the bid as it would have to be a regional effort - maybe even include NW Arkansas and link to them also. Quality public transportation would be a must within Tulsa and to the region  (even to the point of bringing in more buses temporarily to bring times between buses way down). A few venues would have to be built, but could very likely to be done in partnerships with Universities (U Tulsa rowing, for example) or other groups (USA BMX, the Roughnecks) to make sure they are utilized after the fact. Clearly we could use the opportunity to bite the bullet on needed infrastructure improvements and beautification.

Would it make any sense to do the grand Beijing games in Tulsa? Of course not. But if the IOC really wanted to use the games in an efficient manner, it could be done here or similar locations around the world. There would, of course, be vanity projects and waste. But vast improvements and overall good could result.

As it stands, the City with the biggest promises wins.


Title: Re: 2024 Summer Olympics in Tulsa?
Post by: DTowner on August 05, 2016, 09:14:01 am
Hosting the Olympics *could* be an excellent opportunity for a city to really step up its game. To invest in infrastructure quality of life, beautification, and announce the city on the world stage. Those proposals have been made. Unfortunately, they rarely advance and are never selected.

Lets look at the Tulsa bid. A quality rail link to OKC would be essential to the bid as it would have to be a regional effort - maybe even include NW Arkansas and link to them also. Quality public transportation would be a must within Tulsa and to the region  (even to the point of bringing in more buses temporarily to bring times between buses way down). A few venues would have to be built, but could very likely to be done in partnerships with Universities (U Tulsa rowing, for example) or other groups (USA BMX, the Roughnecks) to make sure they are utilized after the fact. Clearly we could use the opportunity to bite the bullet on needed infrastructure improvements and beautification.

Would it make any sense to do the grand Beijing games in Tulsa? Of course not. But if the IOC really wanted to use the games in an efficient manner, it could be done here or similar locations around the world. There would, of course, be vanity projects and waste. But vast improvements and overall good could result.

As it stands, the City with the biggest promises wins.

More likely, the City with the biggest bribe wins.