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Today Neil Boortz told his national radio audience that businesses will have to start laying off workers because of Obama's re-election. He urged all business owners to fire the people who voted for Obama.

Loser.

Well that sounds perfectly legal.   ;D

Another fellow who should be ignored by all but will continue to skew the GOP toward the crazy.

He's not a Republican, and many Republicans hate him because he supports crazy Libertarian ideas like the right to choose, strong separation of church and state, ending the war on drugs, and letting people marry or bugger whoever they want.  That doen't stop them from listening to him, because, agree with him or not, he's not afraid to speak his mind, and what he says is difficult to discount.  He has spent the last 10 years ripping the Republican party a new a-hole, in fact he is spending this morning doing the same.

Neal did not endorse Romney, he just liked him better than President Obama for extremely obvious reasons.

Democrats hate Neal because he believes in free markets, small government, and individual responsibility.

He has written 5 books including The Fair Tax Book.  100% of the profit from his books has been donated to his wife's charity, Investing in People.  Neal & Donna Boortz, a woman who grew up in a garage without electricity or running water, now uses the procedes from his books to help self relient people get out of poverty through simple actions like providing transportion, clothing, housing, medical assistance, and legal aid.

He is the opposite of both parties, insensitive, unapologetic, Randian, and completely focused on individualism ans self reliance.  You are correct, that is the current popular definition of crazy.

(He said to himself, rocking back and forth, sitting in a corner, drool and NyQuil running down his chin.)

(http://frothygirlz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/sick2.jpg)

Used it to get some sleep years ago.  Now they sell a non-cold medicine version as a sleep aide.

He retires in about 70 days.

He's not a Republican, and many Republicans hate him because he supports crazy Libertarian ideas like the right to choose, strong separation of church and state, ending the war on drugs, and letting people marry or bugger whoever they want.  That doen't stop them from listening to him, because, agree with him or not, he's not afraid to speak his mind, and what he says is difficult to discount.  He has spent the last 10 years ripping the Republican party a new a-hole, in fact he is spending this morning doing the same.

Neal did not endorse Romney, he just liked him better than President Obama for extremely obvious reasons.

Democrats hate Neal because he believes in free markets, small government, and individual responsibility.

He has written 5 books including The Fair Tax Book.  100% of the profit from his books has been donated to his wife's charity, Investing in People.  Neal & Donna Boortz, a woman who grew up in a garage without electricity or running water, now uses the procedes from his books to help self relient people get out of poverty through simple actions like providing transportion, clothing, housing, medical assistance, and legal aid.

He is the opposite of both parties, insensitive, unapologetic, Randian, and completely focused on individualism ans self reliance.  You are correct, that is the current popular definition of crazy.

It's just Jägermeister with a measuring cup!

Ayn Rand was by anyone’s definition crazy, and a mean grumble on top of that. Her philosophy was largely based on Nietzsche's work, who was also nuts. Embracing the nihilistic philosophy of people that led extremely unhappy lives and that were very mentally unhinged seems just rock solid, doesn’t it to you?

Investing in People. 

You mean "Donna Boortz Foundation, Inc." Boortz's books must not make much money. The 2010 Form 990 shows $550 in contributions and $1155 in accountant's fees. They did manage to spend $18,500ish on services for the needy, as they put it, so good for them!

. . .and money is the root of all evil.  ;)

Ayn Rand was by anyone’s definition crazy, and a mean grumble on top of that. Her philosophy was largely based on Nietzsche's work, who was also nuts. Embracing the nihilistic philosophy of people that led extremely unhappy lives and that were very mentally unhinged seems just rock solid, doesn’t it to you?

Wow!  At least now I know how to get you guys completely unhinged.

Mr. Boortz lead the charge against Akins after his remark, calling him an absolute lunatic, along with several other choice and creative discriptors.

Wow!  At least now I know how to get you guys completely unhinged.

Mr. Boortz lead the charge against Akins after his remark, calling him an absolute lunatic, along with several other choice and creative discriptors. Perhaps it would be of value to listen before you speak.  At least 20 minutes of today's show was devoted to calling out Akins and Mourdock for what they are and rubbing Republican noses in it again.

I'll leave this here so I can watch Swake blow an O ring.
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Wow!  At least now I know how to get you guys completely unhinged.

Mr. Boortz lead the charge against Akins after his remark, calling him an absolute lunatic, along with several other choice and creative discriptors. Perhaps it would be of value to listen before you speak.  At least 20 minutes of today's show was devoted to calling out Akins and Mourdock for what they are and rubbing Republican noses in it again.

I'll leave this here so I can watch Swake blow an O ring.

Did someone say Rand?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4jmXqjjPcc[/youtube]

Someone needs to teach that little girl how to hold a gun!

Today Neil Boortz told his national radio audience that businesses will have to start laying off workers because of Obama's re-election. He urged all business owners to fire the people who voted for Obama.

Loser.

Looks like some companies are taking his advice.................

Layoffs in the last 48 hours:

- Westinghouse
- Research in Motion Ltd.
- Lightyear Network Solutions
- Providence Journal
- Hawker Beechcraft
- Boeing
- CVPH Medical Center
- US Cellular
- Commerzbank
- Iberia
- Momentive Performance Materials
- Brake Parts
- Gameforge Berlin
- Vestas Wind Systems
- Husqvarna
- ING
- Ericsson
- SRA International
- PerkinElmer
- Majestic Star Casino and Hotel
- Center for Hospice NY
- Bristol-Myers
- Lower Bucks Hospital
- Oce North America
- Corning
- United Blood Services Gulf
- Atlantic Lottery Corporation
- Welch Allyn
- Dana Holding
- Stryker
- Boston Scientific
- Medtronic
- Smith & Nephew
- Abbott Labs
- Covidien
- Kinetic Concepts
- St. Jude
- Hill Rom
- Darden Restaurants
- JANCOA
- Kroger
- Caterpillar
- Alcatel-Lucent
- Umatilla Chemical
- Rocketdyne

Oh yeah, modified to add source  http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/grusbf5/good-morning-america-heres-those-layoffs-you-voted

He retires in about 70 days.

He's not a Republican, and many Republicans hate him because he supports crazy Libertarian ideas like the right to choose, strong separation of church and state, ending the war on drugs, and letting people marry or bugger whoever they want.  That doen't stop them from listening to him, because, agree with him or not, he's not afraid to speak his mind, and what he says is difficult to discount.  He has spent the last 10 years ripping the Republican party a new a-hole, in fact he is spending this morning doing the same.

Neal did not endorse Romney, he just liked him better than President Obama for extremely obvious reasons.

Democrats hate Neal because he believes in free markets, small government, and individual responsibility.

He has written 5 books including The Fair Tax Book.  100% of the profit from his books has been donated to his wife's charity, Investing in People.  Neal & Donna Boortz, a woman who grew up in a garage without electricity or running water, now uses the procedes from his books to help self relient people get out of poverty through simple actions like providing transportion, clothing, housing, medical assistance, and legal aid.

He is the opposite of both parties, insensitive, unapologetic, Randian, and completely focused on individualism ans self reliance.  You are correct, that is the current popular definition of crazy.

Yeah, Rob...because every one of these can be attributed to our current President.

Holy cow...   ::)

They have been announced since the election and the stock market has lost over 300 points.    I would say there as some Captains of Capitalism that are not too happy right now.  ::)

I might call it tantrum instead

GG:

That is a list of companies that laid off workers in the last year compiled by a hyper-partisan blogger.

I doubt any of it is true or related to Obama.

Same thing about Neil Boortz, most of what he says is for entertainment value.   

She needs to pull herself up by her bootstraps and learn how on her own!

They have been announced since the election and the stock market has lost over 300 points.    I would say there as some Captains of Capitalism that are not too happy right now.  ::)

They have been announced since the election and the stock market has lost over 300 points.    I would say there as some Captains of Capitalism that are not too happy right now.  ::)

So the stock market price is all on Obama?

I guess more proof that we needed Obama. Under the eight years of Bush, the market finished down 23%. Even with a couple of bad days, the stock market under Obama is up over 50%.
 

So the stock market price is all on Obama?

 

I pray that the president will actually work with congress this time and not play the same game he did last time after an agreement was reached.

When things go to smile, it's the 1%'ers fault, the GOP Congress, hurricanes, locusts, and the plague.

I blame the misled masses.  Some of these nuts actually believe the crazies posting that all these layoffs are due to the election results.

Enough of these special eds believe it, then the businesses will start to really hurt and the economy will suffer.  Not because of something the Exec or legislative did but because these dumbasses chose to believe something they read on a crazy person's website of saw on a pundit's TV show or heard on a actor's radio show.  (you know Limbaugh and Beck don't really believe all their loonyness)

Keep reading Gaspar's posts.  That is proof these people are out there.  If they choose not to face reality then their fantasies will come to be reality.

It's just those evil 1%ers.  We sold off on Wed morning.  It was obvious with the election results that the fiscal cliff would not be resolved, only kicked down the road.  We'll buy back in when there is some stability.  Futures for today are pulling another -70-90, on Dow.  

I pray that the president will actually work with congress this time and not play the same game he did last time after an agreement was reached.  No one expects leadership from the president, so we will likely have to wait until next year.  Unfortunately, because of intrest rates, bonds are trash too, and Bernanke has pledged to make that even worse.  Buffett is buying as well as some of the other big houses that dumped their gains before the election, so perhaps the big Wall Street interests will see opportunity and bolster some sectors.  Again, it's the smaller traded businesses that will struggle with 4 more years of uncertainty and weak leadership.

Lets place our bets on today's close.  I'm shooting for -67.

Massive downgrades this morning.  Companies with large workforces like Disney and GM.

Not at all.  It's the evil 1%ers.  Obama has been very friendly to Wall Street.  Competition and labor costs have decreased immensely.  Large traded companies have done awesome.  They haven't had to face the cost of many of his policies yet.  Now they may have to, and they know it.

Please Gaspar, stop with the market predictions, you aren't good at them.

Large publically traded companies are not negatively impacted by Obamacare, that’s also stupid. They already insure their employees. If anything it will save large companies money on healthcare. I know that for my company we just did our annual reenrollment for benefits and this year is maybe the first time ever there has not been an increase in the employee contribution for insurance.

It makes no sense that the markets are down because Obama was reelected. He has been good for the markets over his first term and his reelection is no surprise.  The election went just as predicted outside of the Foxnews echo chamber. Many here were very close in predicting the correct electoral college vote.

I'm seeing a trend in your recent posts. Those who hold differing viewpoints from you are now all "crazy"?  Come on Townsend, that doesn't sound like you.

Sorry, can't help it.  I'm crazy.

Are you going to lay off employees as you suggested in your memo?

I don’t know. I’m going to work my hardest to keep the company going and expand the best I can. We’ll see what happens. Meanwhile I gave everybody in the company a raise this week—the average was 5 percent. I wanted to help them handle the additional burdens the government will put on them.

Sorry, can't help it.  I'm crazy.

There was a lot of fear-based layoffs in 2007 and 2008 prior to the collapse, largely due to trumpeting from the media that financial armageddon was nigh. You tell enough people there is a recession coming and it will happen.  If enough people aren't paying their mortgage because their job disappeared, there will be a housing crisis.  The financial meltdown was coming one way or another, but I distinctly recall the drum-beating in 2007 and 2008 as it drew near.

And the market is up 35 points right now.  I've said it before, a man could make really good money taking your predictions and doing the opposite.

When are you going to figure out that Fox News is lying to you and that's why you are wrong so often?

Actually it was CNBC and Cramer this morning.  Fox almost always calls the market wrong.

Whoever it is, change the channel. You have been misled, over and over and over.

Whoever it is, change the channel. You have been misled, over and over and over.

Not yet.  The president is going to speak in a couple of minutes.  ;)

If you are watching Fox, who is the president? Did they ever declare a winner?

Actually it was CNBC and Cramer this morning.

Cramer, the guy who was saying buy buy buy right into the financial crisis and who said Obama would get 440 EVs. Great forecaster, that one.

Not sure how increasing the top marginal tax rate to 39.6% is eating the rich, though. It's not as if the capital gains preference is going away.

The post-election negotiations over taxes, the economy and the so-called fiscal cliff moved into a new phase this afternoon when President Obama stepped up to a microphone at the White House to lay out his latest thoughts about what needs to be done.

In many ways, this words were echoes from the hard-fought campaign.

"It's time to get back to work and there is plenty of work to do," he said. "The American people voted for action, not politics as usual." And while he is "open to compromise ... [and] new ideas," the president repeated that he is opposed to any deficit plans that do not "combine spending cuts with revenue."

Voters, he said, want to see "cooperation, consensus and common sense. ... I intend to deliver."

The short address was the president's first to the nation since his victory celebration Election Night in Chicago. The last time an incumbent president had the chance to lay out a post-election agenda, of course, was in 2004. Then, President George W. Bush famously said, "I earned capital in the campaign, political capital. And now I intend to spend it. It is my style."

Earlier today, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), repeated his call on the Democratic president to take the lead in such talks. Boehner also repeated the basic Republican position: that "lowering [tax] rates and cleaning up the tax code" will spur economic growth.

We updated this post with highlights from the president's remarks.

Update at 1:16 p.m. ET. "I Intend To Deliver":

After saying he is "open to compromise" and "open to new ideas," the president says he also refuses to accept "any approach that isn't balanced." Then he finishes by saying that Americans expect "cooperation, consensus and common sense. ... I intend to deliver in my second term."

Update at 1:14 p.m. ET. Spending Cuts Must Be Paired With "Revenue":

Repeating a theme of his campaign, the president says "we can't just cut our way to prosperity. ... We have to combine spending cuts with revenue." And he says he'll be asking "the wealthiest Americans to pay a little more in taxes."

Update at 1:10 p.m. ET. Meeting Next Week:

The president confirms that he's invited Congressional leaders from both parties to a meeting at the White House next week. He also says he's inviting "business, labor and civics leaders."

Update at 1:09 p.m. ET. Time For Action:

As he begins, the president says 'it's time to get back to work and there is plenty of work to do. The American people voted for action, not politics as usual."

So he's going to cut taxes on small businesses and raise taxes on the individuals who own small businesses, hmm. . . and I was under the impression that the democrats didn't believe in this crazy idea of "uncertainty" stifling the economy.  I also thought that democrats didn't believe that tax cuts for small businesses translated into job growth.  Harry, you need to step up and straighten the president out!

Obama Says He's 'Open To Compromise,' But Solutions Must Be 'Balanced'

Sounds totally unreasonable.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/11/09/164796536/obama-to-lay-down-his-markers-on-economy-fiscal-cliff?ft=1&f=1001&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/11/09/164796536/obama-to-lay-down-his-markers-on-economy-fiscal-cliff?ft=1&f=1001&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

If someone's small business is giving them an income of more than $250,000 a year, they can afford to pay a higher marginal rate on that excess just like anyone else making more than $250,000 a year. You talk as if business owners pay income tax on revenue, regardless of expenses. Pretending that is the case does make your argument a lot easier, but it just ain't so.

I'd already said this in another thread but I did appreciate the way he said he would ask the wealthiest to pay a little more.  Much better rhetoric than he used on the campaign trail.  I may like POTUS Obama a whole lot better than the Candidate Obama of the last four years.

Do I need to go over how most small businesses file again, or would some one else like to take this one. 

If you are watching Fox, who is the president? Did they ever declare a winner?

I honestly see them as not just differing viewpoints.  

If someone's small business is giving them an income of more than $250,000 a year, they can afford to pay a higher marginal rate on that excess just like anyone else making more than $250,000 a year. You talk as if business owners pay income tax on revenue, regardless of expenses. Pretending that is the case does make your argument a lot easier, but it just ain't so.

Market just lost it's gain.

Obama Says He's 'Open To Compromise,' But Solutions Must Be 'Balanced'

Sounds totally unreasonable.

So the stock market price is all on Obama?


 

Now wait a minute, you were heaping the stock market gains on Obama a while back.

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=18284.msg250752#msg250752

Obama's policies have been good for the stock market.

Obama's policies have been good for the stock market.

That's part of the problem since the right sees your "viewpoints" the same way.

There was a lot of fear-based layoffs in 2007 and 2008 prior to the collapse, largely due to trumpeting from the media that financial armageddon was nigh. You tell enough people there is a recession coming and it will happen.  If enough people aren't paying their mortgage because their job disappeared, there will be a housing crisis.  The financial meltdown was coming one way or another, but I distinctly recall the drum-beating in 2007 and 2008 as it drew near.

David Siegel Hasn't Fired Anyone Yet

Whaaaaaat?  He changed his mind?  Well that's nice.  Glad he's trying to succeed.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/david-siegel-hasn-t-fired-anyone-yet.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/david-siegel-hasn-t-fired-anyone-yet.html)

I was part of a "S" Corporation about 20 years ago.  The first year we made a profit, I got enough cash to pay my share of the tax but not enough to pay the accountant I needed to do my taxes since they were no longer simple enough to do myself.  The rest of the "profit" went back into growing the company.

My investment guy tells me NO.

You need a new investment guy.  Badly.

Which part of recent stock market history is the worst for you according to your "investment guy"??

The way the market has recovered everything it lost, getting back to pre-recession levels for the market as a whole (except for Red's company...who knows what they have messed up...sounds like an oil services company.  Baker Hughes?  Weatherford?)

Or the fact that you get to enjoy the lowest tax levels pretty much in the history of the world on the horrible performance according to your "investment guy"??

Please explain.

My employer's stock is still nearly 30% below it's 2008 peak.

How much of that drop was under the previous president?

They just hear the voices.

It peaked in early and mid 2008 then dropped. There were lesser peaks in early 2010 and 2011.  The dip in 2010 was as low as early 2009.  The dip in 2011 was even lower than in either 2009 or 2010.  It has been unsteadily been climbing since 2011. The point is that it hasn't completely recovered by a significant amount and is still lower than the peaks in 2010 and 2011.  Fortunately, it is paying some dividends and with CD rates near zero the dividends help out somewhat.

If that is so, it is partly because of attitudes like yours that discount anything someone on the right side of center believes.  

Right of center - not so bad.

Right of people like RushBo and GlenBek...bats**t crazy.

You are just a fountain of joy.

My favorite "Job Cut" from that website was the closing of Gomer's Chicken in Kansas City. Of course, the owner opened a new restaurant and decided to close this location. Damn that Obama!

http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/

Heh...!!

Wow. Revive a six year old thread for that? Seriously? That's lamer than a horse at a glue factory.

Seems that BB has an issue with cyberstalking these days.  Maybe the dosage needs to be adjusted?  Stitches tightened?

Seems that BB has an issue with cyberstalking these days.  Maybe the dosage needs to be adjusted?  Stitches tightened?