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Serious question:

Openly carrying a firearm in a holster wasn't specifically against the law until it was "legalized" was it?

So what we see as the giving of a new privilege, is actually a taking...   
More like a back-door gun registration?

Not really.  You can get an SDA permit without owning a firearm.  You also don't have to provide your gun serial numbers when you obtain a SDA license.  No gun registration in Oklahoma that I'm aware of, although if you buy a firearm through a reputable vendor, then there is record of the sale.

How does SDA differ from Concealed or Open carry?
Maybe I was mislead, but I understood your CC permit had to specifically list any firearm you intend to carry under it.

I'll let someone else be the "first target" in a bad scenario.  Prefer to "lurk in the weeds" and keep it a surprise if needed.


Let the wild west begin!!    (Satire people...!!)

I used that phrase in my SDA class back in July and my instructor wasn't amused.   :o

My answer is NO.  Only thing the law will do for me will be that if my weapon is somehow exposed, I won't be cited for it on Nov 1.

Thanks.

Buzz.  Wrong.
Completely concealed or completely open.  Those are your two options with the permit.
Half-assed concealed = breaking the law

3. Pistol means any derringer, revolver or semiautomatic firearm which:
a. has an overall length of less that sixteen (16) inches,
b. is capable of discharging a projectile composed of any material which may reasonably be expected
to be able to cause lethal injury,
c. is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand, and
d. uses either gunpowder, gas or any means of rocket propulsion to discharge the projectile.

This is why I wish people would read the statute instead of guessing.   ::)

Serious question:

Openly carrying a firearm in a holster wasn't specifically against the law until it was "legalized" was it?

So what we see as the giving of a new privilege, is actually a taking...   
More like a back-door gun registration?

Actually, openly carrying a firearm was only allowed under specific circumstances before (outside of the law enforcement community). Essentially, if you were going to the range or class or something similar you could carry it visible, albeit unloaded. 

I have had to let my licence lapse this last week because I it was either that or bills, guess which won.

Uh, wrong again.  If somehow my concealed status is breached by a shirt-tail riding up, I won't be breaking the law.  Not quite sure where you get that from.  Because as of right now, my new CCL says 'Oklahoma Handgun License'.

Doesn't say a damned thing about Concealed, Open or a hybrid of the two.
............
This is why I wish people would read the statute instead of guessing.   ::)

My bad.  someone else had told me that..  I blame them.     (I have thoroughly read the non-open version of the SDA)
All I know is I have zero intention of openly carrying.    What is the mindset of someone that wishes to openly carry?

What is the mindset of someone that wishes to openly carry?

Doing a little digging, I found the exemption for Living History and historical reenactments:

TITLE 21 § 1272 UNLAWFUL CARRY
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to carry upon or about his or her person, or in a purse or other container belonging to the person, any pistol, revolver, shotgun or rifle whether loaded or unloaded... , except this section shall not prohibit:
1. The proper use of guns and knives for hunting, fishing, educational or recreational purposes;
...
5. The carrying and use of firearms and other weapons provided in this subsection when used for the purpose of living history reenactment. For purposes of this paragraph, living history reenactment means depiction of historical characters, scenes, historical life or events for entertainment, education, or historical documentation through the wearing or use of period, historical, antique or vintage clothing, accessories, firearms, weapons, and other implements of the historical period.

If there's an exemption for motion picture or television production, I havent found it yet.

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/documents/SDA_Lawbook_NOV_2011.pdf

Is there a more up-to-date link than this?

Still doesn't keep you from carrying legally open or concealed as long as you are on your own property.  Step outside of that, then yes, you cannot.

well, obviously things are a whole different story on your own property, but that's not what this discussion is about. 

I am happy to discover that I have a 30 grace period on my license before I have to stop carrying, so I might be okay.

What does the license cost?

To renew 85 for 5 years.  The initial cost was more.  I don't remember what the license cost was, but there was the additional costs of the class and background checks.  I think there might have been some other various fees, but I don't remember for sure.

Now if anyone say what the law says about carrying (openly or concealed) into a business with a no-guns sign posted.

To renew 85 for 5 years.  The initial cost was more.  I don't remember what the license cost was, but there was the additional costs of the class and background checks.  I think there might have been some other various fees, but I don't remember for sure.

Businesses CAN restrict if you carry open or concealed, but there's no law you'd be breaking outside of trespassing.  You can enter the business, but if mgmt asks you to leave and you refuse, you'd be guilty of trespassing at the worst.  The signs really have no legal status in Oklahoma is my understanding.

Businesses CAN restrict if you carry open or concealed, but there's no law you'd be breaking outside of trespassing.  You can enter the business, but if mgmt asks you to leave and you refuse, you'd be guilty of trespassing at the worst.  The signs really have no legal status in Oklahoma is my understanding.

Fine from $100 to 250 for first offense, plus 30 - 90 days in jail.  License suspended for 6 months, with $50 reinstatement fee.

Title 21  Section 1276.

There are lots of other conditions, but section 1272 seems to apply the most....

2. The carrying or use of weapons in a manner otherwise permitted by
   statute or authorized by the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, Section 1290.1
   et seq. of this title; or

So this officer form Bixby seems to believe an officer can only request to see the permit when they are responding to a crime . . . . I don't think that's what the statute says and it concerns me he is planning to educate other officers.  I know you guys read all the detail way more than me, so am I missing something?   Mostly it bugs me because people read this and then think they can argue with an officer about showing their permit . . . then things will get ugly fast. 

http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/officer-believes-education-key-open-carry-law/nSjc7/

(Section 1290.8.B) “The person shall display the handgun license on demand of a law enforcement officer; provided, however, that in the absence of reasonable and articulable suspicion of other criminal activity, an individual carrying an unconcealed handgun shall not be disarmed or physically restrained unless the individual fails to display a valid handgun license in response to that demand.”

Been noticing new "no guns" signs being posted at businesses all over the place.
Is there any place that doesn't have one posted now?
<sarcasm>Thank you new law</sarcasm>.

Cmon.  It's a new way to accessorize.

I'm thinking about holstering a a ray-gun just to screw with people.

Editorial
 
Oklahomans Packing Heat
 
Published: November 2, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/03/opinion/oklahomans-unconceal-their-loaded-handguns.html?nl=todaysheadlines&adxnnl=1&emc=edit_th_20121103&adxnnlx=1351961271-TDQhxfkU9N5jHj1YypG0jQ&_r=0
Two dozen men with guns entered an Oklahoma City diner promptly at midnight on Wednesday, intent on inaugurating a pernicious new law allowing the state’s 142,000 citizens with concealed-handgun licenses to begin wearing their loaded weapons publicly. “I just feel more secure and safe,” Joe Wood, an aircraft mechanic, told The Oklahoman newspaper, his Taurus PT145 pistol ready for action against any sudden attack by the eggs and burgers.

Other Oklahomans’ sense of security and safety was not on the midnight menu, though law enforcement officials made their objections clear when “open carry” was signed into law in May by Gov. Mary Fallin, a Republican. A previous version was vetoed in 2010 by Gov. Brad Henry, a Democrat, over such questions as how to sort out licit gun wielders from perpetrators at a crime scene.

Statehouse proponents, ever obeisant to the gun lobby, contend that anyone with a handgun license has to pass a strict state check of criminal and mental health records. The dangerous loophole here is that Oklahoma is grossly delinquent in such oversight, submitting fewer than four cases last year to the federal mental health watch list.

Oklahoma is the place where “going postal” became an unfortunate American cliché a generation ago after 14 co-workers were shot dead by a postal worker who then killed himself. It is the 15th state to legalize open carry on the fatuous promise that public safety will be enhanced. The only obvious purpose is to allow macho gun enthusiasts — not true sportsmen — to display the intimidating power of the gun before the rest of the public, as was the case two years ago when protesters showed up at political gatherings with holstered weapons.

Business owners are in a muddle over whether to exercise their right under the new law to put up polite “no guns allowed” signs for the sake of the family crowd, or to allow guns at the table, plain as salt and pepper shakers. The law proclaims that inebriated people must never strap on their guns. But even the owner of the diner where open carry was inaugurated wonders about that one. “What it is that scares me is Fridays, Saturdays, the bar crowd — people come sometimes drunk,” Renee Masoudy, the owner, said.

You do realize that this type of publicity inhibits economic base expansion....

How about the other 44 states that allow it?

44? 14 maybe.... I don't care about them....they're not lacking in education, health and general population welfare.

Here's a puzzle:
A man visiting his doctor at St. John Medical Center had a derringer that fell out of his jacket and discharge.
TPD confiscates his CC permit with the intent of having OSBI revoke it, ostensibly on the grounds that the hospital has signs forbidding guns.

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Gun-discharges-at-St-John-Medical-Center/cLbsZNYGsEq6JhdVtN5eAQ.cspx

But the law doesnt forbid carrying in a non-government building just because they have signs posted.  My understanding is they can ask you to leave, and file a trespassing complaint if you dont.
Is there more to this, or did TPD jump the gun (so to speak)?

Here's a puzzle:
A man visiting his doctor at St. John Medical Center had a derringer that fell out of his jacket and discharge.
TPD confiscates his CC permit with the intent of having OSBI revoke it, ostensibly on the grounds that the hospital has signs forbidding guns.

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Gun-discharges-at-St-John-Medical-Center/cLbsZNYGsEq6JhdVtN5eAQ.cspx

But the law doesnt forbid carrying in a non-government building just because they have signs posted.  My understanding is they can ask you to leave, and file a trespassing complaint if you dont.
Is there more to this, or did TPD jump the gun (so to speak)?

I suspect a sign is adequate notification.

What Hoss said.

It's reckless handling of his firearm and that is a condition by which you can lose your handgun license.

So far, I've not seen anyone carrying open other than a news story about a group who met at a BBQ place up in Owasso when the law went into affect.  My in-laws who live in a rural part of Oklahoma have yet to see anyone carrying either.

I suspect most people with a handgun license don't consider it a necessary accessory to whatever outfit they are wearing.

there are no statutes on the books that I'm aware of that allows an LEO to cite an SDA licensee for carrying a firearm in a business where it's posted they want no firearms outside of those facilities restricted in the SDA law (i.e. gubmint facilities).

Here's a puzzle:
A man visiting his doctor at St. John Medical Center had a derringer that fell out of his jacket and discharge.
TPD confiscates his CC permit with the intent of having OSBI revoke it, ostensibly on the grounds that the hospital has signs forbidding guns.

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Gun-discharges-at-St-John-Medical-Center/cLbsZNYGsEq6JhdVtN5eAQ.cspx

But the law doesnt forbid carrying in a non-government building just because they have signs posted.  My understanding is they can ask you to leave, and file a trespassing complaint if you dont.
Is there more to this, or did TPD jump the gun (so to speak)?

I don't think that TPD has the authority to confiscate a CC permit.  I can't remember about the sign issue though.

IIRC, local authorities can take the permit and gun after such an incident as this accidental discharge and turn it over to OSBI, and ultimately the OSBI determines if they will return it or revoke it.

Seems a sticking point is that some people believe that a door decal is law, when (as Conan correctly pointed out) the reckless handling should be whats actionable.

If someone with a firearm chooses to ignore the owner's prohibition, he can be arrested for trespassing.

I think the question most people have is:
  Does trespassing with a gun when a no-guns sign is posted carry a stiffer penalty than trespassing with a beverage when a no food/drink sign is posted?

Because... things would have to escalate something crazy for the police to get involved in a beverage infraction.

They can't have you arrested for trespassing.  They can only ask you to leave.  I suppose if you refused to leave then they could call the po-po and file a trespassing complaint for not leaving after being asked to.

They can't have you arrested for trespassing.  They can only ask you to leave.  I suppose if you refused to leave then they could call the po-po and file a trespassing complaint for not leaving after being asked to.

Been noticing new "no guns" signs being posted at businesses all over the place.
Is there any place that doesn't have one posted now?
<sarcasm>Thank you new law</sarcasm>.