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Title: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: PonderInc on June 21, 2012, 03:39:26 pm Just glancing at the members of the TMAPC, and wondering why Gail Carnes has been serving on the planning commission since 1984? Isn't 28 years a long time to exert influence like that? Aren't republicans generallly in favor of term limits over lifetime appointments?
I don't have a specific gripe against Mr Carnes (well, aside from the typical TMAPC lack of imagination and an overly narrow developer-centric perspective). Just wondering. Really? There's nobody else in town to fill the role and bring in some fresh perspectives? If I were a YP, I'd be sort of worried about someone who had been making these decisions about Tulsa's future longer than I had been alive! Anybody remember 1984? Movies: 1. Beverly Hills Cop 2. Ghostbuster 3. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom 4. Gremlins 5. The Karate Kid 6. Police Academy 7. Footloose 8. Romancing The Stone 9. Star Trek III: The Search For Spock 10. Splash 1984 Most Popular TV shows: 1. Dynasty (ABC) 2. Dallas (CBS) 3. The Cosby Show (NBC) 4. 60 Minutes (CBS) 5. Family Ties (NBC) 6. The A-Team (NBC) 7. Simon & Simon (CBS) 8. Murder, She Wrote (CBS) 9. Knots Landing (CBS) 10. Falcon Crest (CBS) 1984 Billboard Number One Songs: December 10, 1983 - January 20, 1984: Say Say Say - Paul McCartney featuring Michael Jackson January 21 - February 3: Owner of a Lonely Heart - Yes February 4 - February 24: Karma Chameleon - Culture Club February 25 - March 20: Jump - Van Halen March 31 - April 20: Footloose - Kenny Loggins April 21 - May 11: Against All Odds (Take A Look At Me Now) - Phil Collins May 12 - May 25: Hello - Lionel Richie May 26 - June 8: Let's Hear It For the Boy - Deniece Williams June 9 - June 22: Time After Time - Cyndi Lauper June 23 - July 6: The Reflex - Duran Duran July 7 - August 10: When Doves Cry - Prince August 11 - August 31: Ghostbusters - Ray Parker, Jr. September 1 - September 21: What's Love Got to Do With It - Tina Turner September 22 - September 28: Missing You - John Waite September 29 - October 12: Let's Go Crazy - Prince & The Revolution October 13 - November 2: I Just Called To Say I Love You - Stevie Wonder November 3 - November 16: Caribbean Queen (No More Love On the Run) - Billy Ocean November 17 - December 7: Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go - Wham! December 8 - December 21: Out of Touch - Hall & Oates December 22, 1984 - February 1, 1985: Like a Virgin - Madonna Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: dsjeffries on June 21, 2012, 03:53:54 pm Just glancing at the members of the TMAPC, and wondering why Gail Carnes has been serving on the planning commission since 1984? Isn't 28 years a long time to exert influence like that? Aren't republicans generallly in favor of term limits over lifetime appointments? I don't have a specific gripe against Mr Carnes (well, aside from the typical TMAPC lack of imagination and an overly narrow developer-centric perspective). Just wondering. Really? There's nobody else in town to fill the role and bring in some fresh perspectives? If I were a YP, I'd be sort of worried about someone who had been making these decisions about Tulsa's future longer than I had been alive! I agree. I don't know the fine details about how TMAPC appointments are made or the reconfirmation process (if there even is one), but a lifetime appointment to a post that is intended to drive the city forward seems counter-intuitive to say the least. Do they have set terms? If so, are the terms staggered? Or do they have their post as long as they want it? And perhaps you don't have any particular gripes about any one member right now, but those people's voting records on zoning/land use issues (for the past 30 years, apparently) aren't exactly easy to access. (https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS43o5hP5n8b2psITMoE16VLab_90R97_IlbRHYyDRM_FClwdRY) (http://www.homesanctuary.com/.a/6a00d8341cc30c53ef0133eca5ce7a970b-800wi) Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: Conan71 on June 21, 2012, 04:40:35 pm Just glancing at the members of the TMAPC, and wondering why Gail Carnes has been serving on the planning commission since 1984? Isn't 28 years a long time to exert influence like that? Aren't republicans generallly in favor of term limits over lifetime appointments? I don't have a specific gripe against Mr Carnes (well, aside from the typical TMAPC lack of imagination and an overly narrow developer-centric perspective). Just wondering. Really? There's nobody else in town to fill the role and bring in some fresh perspectives? If I were a YP, I'd be sort of worried about someone who had been making these decisions about Tulsa's future longer than I had been alive! Anybody remember 1984? Movies: 1. Beverly Hills Cop 2. Ghostbuster 3. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom 4. Gremlins 5. The Karate Kid 6. Police Academy 7. Footloose 8. Romancing The Stone 9. Star Trek III: The Search For Spock 10. Splash 1984 Most Popular TV shows: 1. Dynasty (ABC) 2. Dallas (CBS) 3. The Cosby Show (NBC) 4. 60 Minutes (CBS) 5. Family Ties (NBC) 6. The A-Team (NBC) 7. Simon & Simon (CBS) 8. Murder, She Wrote (CBS) 9. Knots Landing (CBS) 10. Falcon Crest (CBS) 1984 Billboard Number One Songs: December 10, 1983 - January 20, 1984: Say Say Say - Paul McCartney featuring Michael Jackson January 21 - February 3: Owner of a Lonely Heart - Yes February 4 - February 24: Karma Chameleon - Culture Club February 25 - March 20: Jump - Van Halen March 31 - April 20: Footloose - Kenny Loggins April 21 - May 11: Against All Odds (Take A Look At Me Now) - Phil Collins May 12 - May 25: Hello - Lionel Richie May 26 - June 8: Let's Hear It For the Boy - Deniece Williams June 9 - June 22: Time After Time - Cyndi Lauper June 23 - July 6: The Reflex - Duran Duran July 7 - August 10: When Doves Cry - Prince August 11 - August 31: Ghostbusters - Ray Parker, Jr. September 1 - September 21: What's Love Got to Do With It - Tina Turner September 22 - September 28: Missing You - John Waite September 29 - October 12: Let's Go Crazy - Prince & The Revolution October 13 - November 2: I Just Called To Say I Love You - Stevie Wonder November 3 - November 16: Caribbean Queen (No More Love On the Run) - Billy Ocean November 17 - December 7: Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go - Wham! December 8 - December 21: Out of Touch - Hall & Oates December 22, 1984 - February 1, 1985: Like a Virgin - Madonna “I’m Casey Kasem and that’s your weekly American Top 40 Countdown" Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: sgrizzle on June 21, 2012, 05:30:28 pm I don't remember it that well.. but I was 8 after all.
Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: jacobi on June 21, 2012, 05:32:14 pm Quote Insert Quote I don't remember it that well.. but I was 8 after all. I was 2... Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: Hoss on June 21, 2012, 05:49:10 pm I was 2... I was a junior and senior in highschool. I have half of those songs on my iPod now...wait.... Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: dbacks fan on June 21, 2012, 06:19:52 pm I was 2... Thanks, I feel old now, I was dating my 2nd future ex wife at the time........ Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: jacobi on June 21, 2012, 06:35:51 pm Quote Thanks, I feel old now, I was dating my 2nd future ex wife at the time........ Well I'm not 30 yet (26 days) and i'm separated from my second wife. Do you feel younger or just wiser? ;) Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: Red Arrow on June 21, 2012, 07:07:59 pm 1984? Seems like yesterday. When I read Orwell's "1984", it was still years in the future. Are you guys old enough to post?
:D Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: Hoss on June 21, 2012, 07:21:13 pm Well I'm not 30 yet (26 days) and i'm separated from my second wife. Do you feel younger or just wiser? ;) Wow. I'm one time married, one time divorced. I've been liberated now for 19 years. I had one other try and rope me back into that mess in 1997. I almost fell for it. Glad I didn't. "Know why divorces are so expensive? Because they're worth it". Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: Red Arrow on June 21, 2012, 07:23:59 pm Wow. I'm one time married, one time divorced. I've been liberated now for 19 years. I had one other try and rope me back into that mess in 1997. I almost fell for it. Glad I didn't. "Know why divorces are so expensive? Because they're worth it". Marriage is the leading cause of divorce. Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 21, 2012, 07:35:48 pm Well I'm not 30 yet (26 days) and i'm separated from my second wife. Do you feel younger or just wiser? ;) Maybe a time out from wives is in order.... Most of you are kids!! Enjoy it while you got it - it goes WAY too fast. Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 21, 2012, 07:37:32 pm 1984? Seems like yesterday. When I read Orwell's "1984", it was still years in the future. Are you guys old enough to post? :D No kidding... now it's years in the past! "There are three stages in your reintegration . . . There is learning, there is understanding, and there is acceptance" (1984) Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: jacobi on June 21, 2012, 07:41:36 pm Quote Maybe a time out from wives is in order.... +1 Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 21, 2012, 07:43:20 pm Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: dbacks fan on June 21, 2012, 07:46:09 pm Well I'm not 30 yet (26 days) and i'm separated from my second wife. Do you feel younger or just wiser? ;) Wiser? Who knows, we were divorced in '87, I waited until '99 to do it again only to be serated 11 years later and going through it again. Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: jacobi on June 21, 2012, 07:46:45 pm Quote Will save you a ton of money!! Maybe one day I will make a ton of money that can be saved. :D Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: Red Arrow on June 21, 2012, 07:59:01 pm Will save you a ton of money!! Nope, being single leads to expensive (aviation) hobbies when there is no one to spend your money before you do. Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: dbacks fan on June 21, 2012, 08:03:09 pm Nope, being single leads to expensive (aviation) hobbies when there is no one to spend your money before you do. Yes , but with an airplane, or in my case a car, it's not going to run back to an old boyfriend. Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: Red Arrow on June 21, 2012, 08:10:44 pm Yes , but with an airplane, or in my case a car, it's not going to run back to an old boyfriend. As long as you own the airplane or car outright you are correct. Look out if you are making payments. Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: dbacks fan on June 21, 2012, 08:11:54 pm As long as you own the airplane or car outright you are correct. Look out if you are making payments. Paid it off this year, and got her name off of the title. Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: Red Arrow on June 21, 2012, 08:19:21 pm Maybe one day I will make a ton of money that can be saved. :D Do it in something beside $1 bills. A quick check indicates that it takes about 2200 lbs of $1 bills to make a $1 Million. You're going to want more than that. Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: Red Arrow on June 21, 2012, 08:23:09 pm Paid it off this year, and got her name off of the title. Congrats. Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 22, 2012, 11:52:47 am I had a car payment once. Didn't like it at all. So, now I don't do that... (no payment is the up side).
The downside is that I drive an old pickup truck. The balance definitely leans to the "no payment" side. Am now looking for another old pickup truck just like it to buy and not make payments on.... Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: dsjeffries on June 22, 2012, 04:10:11 pm So, TMAPC term limits?
Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: GG on June 22, 2012, 06:53:57 pm I don't remember it that well.. but I was 8 after all. I remember it well, kinda. I was a robust 32 years old in 1984. That was during my Outlaw Country Music phase. That is why I kinda remember it. Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: sgrizzle on June 22, 2012, 07:05:21 pm Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: Townsend on June 24, 2012, 02:28:54 am Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: sgrizzle on June 24, 2012, 10:28:39 am Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: TulsaRufnex on June 24, 2012, 12:05:01 pm What was going on around the time Mr. Gail Carnes was appointed? Some pretty heady times for T-town....
Williams Center Forum shopping mall complete with ice rink (http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2139/2245266465_47299bda58_m.jpg)(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2208/2287217145_f52cf13ea7_m.jpg) "The Only Thing Missing Is U' Ads Trying to Lure Workers to Tulsa Published: February 23, 1982 http://newsok.com/the-only-thing-missing-is-u-ads-trying-to-lure-workers-to-tulsa/article/1974769 Quote (AP) "T_LSA. The only thing missing is U." So read newspaper advertisements that appeared in Buffalo newspapers as Tulsa , OK, began a drive to attract nurses and other skilled workers from this area. A team of recruiters from 10 of Tulsa's top companies and hospitals will be in Buffalo March 12-14 to interview people interested in making a move to Tulsa, a city of about 400,000. “It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen.” ― George Orwell, 1984 ... I remember driving home from OKC for Memorial Day weekend in 1984.... horrible flood hit the entire city, not just Mingo Creek -- cars piled on top of each other off I-44--- finally forced the city (under Mayor Terry Young) to take action... [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuj0EMEqun0[/youtube] Tulsa's world-class flood control system, and how it saves you money http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/tulsas-world-class-flood-control-system-and-how-it/nPLsy/ (http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/400/img/photos/2011/12/01/88/45/DSC_0739.JPG) Quote By 1984, Tulsa led the nation in disaster declarations, and not because of tornadoes -- because of flooding, the deadliest form of natural disaster. Now, Tulsa is a model to the nation, and indeed the world, on how to handle flood plain management, a fact that many Tulsans who don't remember how things used to be taken for granted. ...the summer of 1984... after my freshman year at OCU, I coaxed my college roommate into going to see the Tulsa Roughnecks versus the New York Cosmos... the only reason he went? To see the Beach Boys concert after the game... [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5BystnkpjA[/youtube] ...then came the oil bust, the S&L debacle, etc... I dunno, seems like there should be at least a few city and county officials who can offer some sobering, realistic insight on what has been tried before... Mark Andrus at Expo Square comes to mind... Here's the list with dates of first appointment and date the current term expires... Gail Carnes 12/28/1984 1/18/2015 County Michael Covey, Jr. 4/05/2012 1/18/2015 City John Dix 5/18/2009 1/18/2013 County --Secretary Gene Edwards 7/15/2010 1/18/2013 City Bill Leighty 2/05/2009 1/18/2014 City Brandon Perkins, 4/11/2011 1/18/2014 City --1st Vice Chair John Shivel, 10/26/2006 1/18/2015 City Ryon Stirling 1/18/2011 1/18/2014 County --2nd Vice Chair Joshua Walker 3/06/2008 1/18/2013 City --Chair Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: JCnOwasso on July 02, 2012, 09:13:37 am Are you the key master? "Gozer the Gozerian... good evening. As a duly designated representative of the City, County and State of New York, I order you to cease any and all supernatural activity and return forthwith to your place of origin or to the nearest convenient parallel dimension."Title: Re: Isn't 28 years on the TMAPC long enough? Post by: sgrizzle on July 02, 2012, 07:59:31 pm "Gozer the Gozerian... good evening. As a duly designated representative of the City, County and State of New York, I order you to cease any and all supernatural activity and return forthwith to your place of origin or to the nearest convenient parallel dimension." I'm making the off-topic topical: http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=19223 |