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Projected costs for bags for green waste should be around 75 to 80 cents per bag.

75 to 80 cents / bag including collection?  Sounds reasonable if it includes collection.

We are actually in Bixby and have a private hauler.  We have had once a week collection with a wheeled cart for probably 20 years.  It works fine.  

two different trucks

I don't know what will happen to the MET. I assume we will continue to offer recycling services to apartments and businesses not served by the new residential carts. The MET will probably expand to collect other things as well.

Now that I've got most of the weeds rooted out of my yards now it won't be a big a task.  Just keeping it maintained now.

I only have yard waste about once year.  With mature oak trees, I have to do some serious leaf raking or I would have hella dead grass.  I have a mulch pile, but there comes a time when it is way more at once than I can pile.  I had ten bags this year and they left some of them at pickup.  I'm thrilled to be able to pay to have them all picked up and the price seems very reasonable.

I usually mow over the leaves to mulch them, but my Lawn Boy seems to have fried the "little black box" that makes spark, so I used my reel mower all year and had to rake and bag.  I was reminded of how much I hate raking, so I'll spend the $100 to buy a new ignition module and get the LB running again.  If for nothing else, fall leaf destruction.

but my Lawn Boy seems to have fried the "little black box" that makes spark,

You are not supposed to let the smoke out.

two different trucks

2 carts @ $44 ($88+interest) 2 $100,000 dollar trucks with crews following each other, trash  for health purposes must be bagged  before carted to curb. With no increase in cost to those natives on very limited incomes.       What a barging !!!!!!!!

Dammit dude, if you're going to post on this one use spell check.

You must be referring to the dictionary check as many English words sound alike and are passed by the spell check.

You must be referring to the dictionary check as many English words sound alike and are passed by the spell check.

Ode to My Spell Checker
Original author unknown


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It shows me strait a weigh as soon as a mist ache is maid.

It nose bee fore two long and eye can put the error rite.

Its rare lea ever wrong.

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Its letter perfect awl the way.
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There are several of these poems etc around.  This is the one I found tonight.

That is well written and does not need an explanation.  Thanks for the information

Not surprising you could decode that.

Back to the subject on the movement of trash.   

Will the bidder who was approved for a contract to gather the trash be required to post a performance bond.?
All city contracts I have bid on have required a bonding company to post a performance bond.  I still hear the scuttlebutt in the back ground to get the contract then start looking for add-on’s that do not use the bidding process but furnish the profit.  This contract will effect well over 100,000 residents spendable income

I think you need to move to someplace between Guymon and Boise City to be happy.

2 carts @ $44 ($88+interest) 2 $100,000 dollar trucks with crews following each other, trash  for health purposes must be bagged  before carted to curb. With no increase in cost to those natives on very limited incomes.       What a barging !!!!!!!!

First of all, the trash trucks cost way more than $100,000 each.

Secondly...yes, the costs are projected to be about the same. I currently pay $13.44 for trash and another $2 for recycling. That amount is being subsidized to the tune of about a dollar a month. The new rates are projected to range from $13.50 for the smallest cart and recycling to $16.52 for the biggest cart and recycling.

I think those natives (and the other fine citizens of Tulsa) can afford an 8 cent increase, even if they are on very limited incomes. With the smallest cart, why, those citizens could even save a few dollars a month!
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Or the moon and New York City

a creator?

I was assigned by a creator to the area of Tulsa.   Each time I move the city annexes that area.  Soon as they annex OC and that area I suppose Ill try another state.  If there is a sign that money might be on the moon then  Tulsa will annex it.

For everybody's sake, stay planted where you are and do the creator's bidding!

I'm thinking now the illness wasn't flesh-eating.  Brain-eating is more likely.

There is no question that it did not affect the nerve and immune systems

Maybe no question to you...

Watch out for the double negatives, they can lead one to the wrong conclusion. ;)

Also, pancakes am I supposed to do with the 65 gallon trash cart I already own? :P

If it ain’t broken don’t fix it.  The Tuesday’s TW give a list of the new ordnances the council, with legal say needs to be passed to fix the trash ordinance in effect presently.

The two cart system will be a drain on the working poor, the retirees, pensioners and social SS recipients.
The requirement that all trashed be bagged in an added expense to this group who are on very limited incomes.
Increasing taxes to pay for the carts or transferring the money from an account where it was not needed. 
It must come from somewhere.
If one wants twice a week trash pickup it is only a few dollars more.
(Twice a week pickup would be rerunning the same route two times weekly)
Two crews also will be needed?
What will be the cost to the taxpayer be if only one person in a block wants twice weekly pickup? 
Limit the time the carts can sit beside the street while some handicap citizens depend to other persons to move the trash buggies to the street.
Define the position and distance it is to set beside the street.
Add or transfer six present trash employees into code enforcement. (Are these not needed presently?)
More hundred thousand dollars trucks will be needed.

It is the same old song “Get a city contract and the extras you can add is where the profit is”.

Recycle the tin cans.  (China in the 30’s built mini steel mills throughout their land, and like grandma keeping the pinch of dough for yeast for the next mix.) The production of steel requires a part of refined steel.)  Japan bought our scrap to build their war effort which lead theoretically our defeat at the battle of Mid-way.

I am looking at an aluminum mill that was coined when the sales tax was promoted.  On one side it reads “For old age assistance.”  Today it is to hell with old age assistance we need that to support the bureaucracy.  Today we consider ourselves as Dooh Nibor that is reverse to Robin Hood which is robbing the poor and giving it to the rich.   


     

You need to stop hanging out with the Cabbage.  Seriously.

Japan bought our scrap to build their war effort which lead theoretically our defeat at the battle of Mid-way.

The two cart system will be a drain on the working poor, the retirees, pensioners and social SS recipients.
The requirement that all trashed be bagged in an added expense to this group who are on very limited incomes.
Increasing taxes to pay for the carts or transferring the money from an account where it was not needed. 
It must come from somewhere.
If one wants twice a week trash pickup it is only a few dollars more.
(Twice a week pickup would be rerunning the same route two times weekly)
Two crews also will be needed?
What will be the cost to the taxpayer be if only one person in a block wants twice weekly pickup? 
Limit the time the carts can sit beside the street while some handicap citizens depend to other persons to move the trash buggies to the street.
Define the position and distance it is to set beside the street.
Add or transfer six present trash employees into code enforcement. (Are these not needed presently?)
 

I had gotten the impression that different sorts of waste were to be bagged in different types of bags.  At least that’s what a friend was trying to tell me today.

Personally, I use liners in all my trash cans in the house so no sweat off my brow or anything new.  I don’t usually bag odd wood waste from various projects around the house, or if I go through and pick up a pile of twigs.

Has the bidder posted his bid bond or is this a non protected, assume, maybe, contract like so many contracts “where if that is not enough come back and get some more.”

Why would you ask?

The city legal department, the city purchasing department, and public works department have all followed all the proper procedures, as expected.

Are you just making stuff up to whine, or do you really have true questions?   

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I was only concerned about a city that seem to decay more rapid each year.  A city that is losing their citizens to the Burbs.  Tour east BA and look at the quality of apartments and housing that are being built in relation to the square miles in its city limits.
                                         You cite the persons serving the bureaucracy and forget the aged, the widow, retiree, the pensioner and the SS precipitant who need help.  Why is it that a Federal Grand Jury, empanelled in another state, is in its second year looking into the corruption in Tulsa?  Yea I know we have a new city hall that we didn’t need and citizens were told the old one would bring 10 M dollars but brought only one tenth of what it was said to be worth.

The President is making a visit to Oklahoma and Oklahoma officials make sure they are out of state.  This insult will have long repercussions as some of the states in the confederacy already speak of Oklahoma as being seized with corruption.   For the next four years this state and city will be on the Fed sh$$t list instead of getting federal money.  As this money dries up so will the city and state.  The recycling materials will be need to fill the chug holes in the streets.

Why I do believe you have gotten the vapors!

Why I do believe you have gotten the vapors!

BREAKING: Tulsa Recycle & Transfer at 1150 N Peoria evacuated for garbage on fire in building. Crew en route.

I heard today that a new citizen's group has been formed to trash this change to our..uh...trash system.

How do we form a a citizen's group in favor of this change?

From what I saw on the news I don't understand there argument. How did citizens not have input? I am pretty sure there where meetings. I also seem to remember that the City Council had to approve parts of the change, I seem to remember electing said City Council so we did vote for the change in a way anyway.

It's all grandstanding.

There is a part of this right now though that I am a little upset at, and that's the forcing of us to initially have the 95 gallon carts.  I think most residents are smart enough to be able to know how to estimate their trash usage and ask for a bin accordingly.  This equates to a money grab in my opinion.  Government services like this are supposed to work for the people, not the other way around.

The bags in Broken Arrow are expensive. The workers have to bend over and pick up bags that weigh as much as 40 pounds. There are many back injuries. The number of stops per day is limited because of the strain on the workforce.

Broken Arrow has been saying they are moving toward carts for trash collection. I think that is the right decision for the future.

Almost every city in America has changed to their collections to include carts. There must be many reasons why.

The bags are paid for in my trash rate.   Buying bulk for 100,000 residents should get you some sort of discount.

As for workers, like any industry, they should be given the proper tools to do the job and told to lift with the knees, not the back.   (I have a hard time believing most trash bags would hold up to 40 lbs of trash without ripping.)  As for the "limited number of stops,"  what kind of argument is that?   Regardless of the limit they give city wide trash service twice a week.

The bags are paid for in my trash rate.   Buying bulk for 100,000 residents should get you some sort of discount.

As for workers, like any industry, they should be given the proper tools to do the job and told to lift with the knees, not the back.   (I have a hard time believing most trash bags would hold up to 40 lbs of trash without ripping.)  As for the "limited number of stops,"  what kind of argument is that?   Regardless of the limit they give city wide trash service twice a week.

Broken Arrow trash rates are $25 a year higher than Tulsa's rates because of those bags. What "tools" do you think they could use to pick up bags off the ground?

for tools I would suggest a weight belt.

As for rates, I find it strange that BA can provide bags for all it's residents and still have cheaper rates than Tulsa.   (At least according to the papers.)  I don't understand where you see the $25 annual savings.

Tulsa's basic rate @ $15.52                http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=593&articleid=20120229_11_A1_Thecit405145
BA's rate (including bags) @ $15.50     http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120408_78_A16_CUTLIN646638

I’m a fan of the carts, but it’s dawned on me it’s definitely going to create a storage issue on a 95 gal as to where to store it and still be able to conveniently get it to the curb.

for tools I would suggest a weight belt.

As for rates, I find it strange that BA can provide bags for all it's residents and still have cheaper rates than Tulsa.   (At least according to the papers.)  I don't understand where you see the $25 annual savings.

Tulsa's basic rate @ $15.52                http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=593&articleid=20120229_11_A1_Thecit405145
BA's rate (including bags) @ $15.50     http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120408_78_A16_CUTLIN646638

I just cannot see where you and MC would need a 95 gallon cart.  I know with just me and my mother we'd likely be looking at just the 35, because currently I have a 50 and if we put out one 13 gallon bag of trash per pickup we're lucky.  I can get four of those in a 50 gallon, I'm guessing 3 might fit comfortably in a 35.  Plus, depending on any modifications they may make to what they accept as far as recyclables go, it could reduce it even more.

Me?  I'll enjoy not having to haul the green carts out to the curb without the wheels when I have a pantload of bottles in them (wheels that we asked the city to provide us when we enrolled in the recycling and never got still).  A little late now for those, so we'll just wait until October.

Crap! Did I get suckered into one of Shadows’ memes?  Where did I just read initially we would all have 95 gal carts.  Agreed, 35 will be more than enough!

I’m a fan of the carts, but it’s dawned on me it’s definitely going to create a storage issue on a 95 gal as to where to store it and still be able to conveniently get it to the curb.

I have four concrete pavestones set next to the house that I park the cart on. In front of that I have a trellis with climbing vines and a large bush to hide the cart from the street. They actually hide the cart, my AC unit and all the meters. Most people do something similar to what I have done or people with three car garages often just keep it in the garage.

for tools I would suggest a weight belt.

As for rates, I find it strange that BA can provide bags for all it's residents and still have cheaper rates than Tulsa.   (At least according to the papers.)  I don't understand where you see the $25 annual savings.

Tulsa's basic rate @ $15.52                http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=593&articleid=20120229_11_A1_Thecit405145
BA's rate (including bags) @ $15.50     http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120408_78_A16_CUTLIN646638

Another example of what I mean when I talk about people liking an area, moving there for the ambiance, then bringing the carp with them that they moved to the new place to get away from.  And yes, I have told them to leave the bag system alone. 

Not a fan of carp, huh? More of a catfish guy?

I'm lucky as far as cart placement...my garage faces the street at the back of the house and that is where they pick up the garbage. I won't have to cart my cart around.  :P

The bag system has worked well for decades, so now we got all the 'newbie' immigrants who have come out from Tulsa to "make Broken Arrow better" who are pushing to get rid of bags and go to carts.

Another example of what I mean when I talk about people liking an area, moving there for the ambiance, then bringing the carp with them that they moved to the new place to get away from.  And yes, I have told them to leave the bag system alone. 

Either way, I guess the best I can do is go to the meetings and grumble that the old system worked and I don't want their stupid bins.    Yes, I might even save $25 a year by having bins, but I will also have to deal with the stupid thing as well as only having once a week service.

Broken Arrow trash rates are $25 a year higher than Tulsa's rates because of those bags. What "tools" do you think they could use to pick up bags off the ground? Number of stops directly affects efficiency and thus rates. 100 less houses per day per route requires an extra truck and crew for a town of the size of Broken Arrow.

I am sure that Broken Arrow residents will whine when they lose their free bags. It is a great benefit and easy on the users. But the handlers are struggling and costs are soaring. Broken Arrow leaders are trying to keep rates as low as possible while also protecting their workers. 

Pray tell where you can buy some 200 trash bags for $25 that BA pays.

If the present trash pickup is broken what is broken about it?     
   

What size and thickness? Drawstring or no? There are plenty of places on the Internets to buy such things.

$25 dollars per month projected for bags will increase the cost of trash pickup in Tulsa to the base of $17.60 for 1\2 of the present service. 

I buy bags at Sam's and give them out free to any group that wants to pick up litter. Last week I gave out 1,000 bags to Guts Church for a cleanup in west Tulsa. I buy over 10,000 bags a year.

Lately I have been buying these...
http://www.samsclub.com/sams/shop/product.jsp?productId=118596&navAction=

With tax they cost me 12 cents a piece. I can find them cheaper, but I like the way these work for that job and I like how they are packaged.

Can't you get a tax number to save that little bit extra?

What, and jump on the corporate welfare train?

If the present trash pickup is broken what is broken about it?     
   

6. People who produce little trash pay the same price as large generators.

1. I have to provide my own bin (mine is 6 months old and the lid is flattened, my last bin was stolen)
2. I have to pay for recycling or take my own to the MET in my car (stinky/sticky!)
3. The truck comes by twice a week but I only have garbage in my bin once a week. That is wasted gasoline that I still pay for.
4. The city uses a surplus to subsidize trash pickup which artificially keeps the price low. That money is gone now.
5. On windy days trash blows everywhere and we have to chase it and pick it up.

it is a cash sink, not a revenue generator.

Even if the city provides you a bin, it will come out of your pocket.

Now I have to pay for your recycling.   Most of which, while "good" for the environment is a cash sink, not a revenue generator.

May have to get together with the neighbors and buy a communal chipper/shredder...

Now I have to pay for your recycling.   Most of which, while "good" for the environment is a cash sink, not a revenue generator.

Is that counting the mandatory fees on residents?    Or do they make money only once you figure in the $3-5 per household?

Even if the city provides you a bin, it will come out of your pocket.

Now I have to pay for your recycling.   Most of which, while "good" for the environment is a cash sink, not a revenue generator.

"Ron Gonen, RecycleBank’s cofounder and CEO, reports that the benefits of incentivizing the recycling behaviors of individuals can make whole cities much greener. In
fact, Gonen reports that: “We've taken cities with almost no recycling and brought them to 40 percent of their trash being diverted from waste” [35]. For municipalities and waste haulers, this means that rather than having to pay the rising tipping fees for delivering MSW to landfills, they can actually reverse the equation, earning money on the volume of waste products that are directed towards recycling [4]."

p.10, http://airccse.org/journal/ijsea/papers/0101e1.pdf

Emphasis mine.

Nope. It's a money maker.
The city pays around $100 for each trip to the landfill
The city gets paid around $100 for each trip to the recycling center.

The company I work for is proof of the biggest benefit of recycling. Recycling makes jobs. We now employ 120 workers with disabilities to recycle at our 13 recycling drop-off centers. I don't talk about it much, but it is something I am proud of.

Oklahoma manufacturers that use recycled materials as raw materials now employ 5,000 people with a annual payroll of $200 million. The largest private employers in Muskogee and Sapulpa are on this list.

When you recycle, you make jobs for the hard to employ and that makes more jobs for Oklahoma.

They should not be mislead in thinking 13 gal trash bags can be bought for 12 cents apiece.

That's right, they should be made aware that you can buy 30 gallon bags for half that price.

Yep, I can get 50 of those 13 gallon trash bags for about $8.  In other words about 12 16 cents apiece...

$8.00/50 = $.16 each.  I know it's only 4 cents difference but it's about a 33% increase over $.12 each.  Don't forget to add sales tax which makes them closer to $.17 each.

Get em off the interwebz no sales tax.
 ;D

Oh, and you're right about the math.  I was doing math in my head while tired.  Not a good idea.

Some of the councilors are starting to question the 95 gal carts.  Some one should take a sample of the three sizes to a council meeting.  The assumption that one can exchange the 95 gal one for a smaller sizes that reduces their billing become questionable when one considers that a small container for trash and recycling would be sufficient.  When from extra guest one has an overflow they could put it in a bag and place a sticker on it.

Being called down on my math it’s enviable that as much as fifty percent of the citizens will want smaller more efficient carts as to the amount of trash they have and the storage factor.   Thus the citizens are forced to buy more carts of a smaller size and the city could have 125,000 carts on hand plus another 125,000 smaller carts to exchange.   Can’t visualize the city storing 125,000 95 gal carts unless in the glass cube using the empty spaces.  Heard a rumor that all carts will be equipped with aerosol canisters that will give the citizens each time they open the lids of the cart a whiff of the pink gas from the glass cube supply, so they will see this change like it was a bouquet of pink roses.     

RM: The telescope super structure was attached to a poured concrete slab.

I want the big one so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about except for those who may physically have trouble moving it.

32 gallon
(http://www.naperville.il.us/emplibrary/Mayor32GalCart.jpg)

68 gallon
(http://www.naperville.il.us/emplibrary/Mayor68Cart.jpg)

95 gallon
(http://www.naperville.il.us/emplibrary/Mayor95gal.jpg)

I am jealous of those of you that could get by with a 32 gallon once a week.   You obviously don't still have kids (or multiples of kids) at home.

The recycle bin will dramatically reduce the amount that goes in the trash bin.

We can get by on the smallest.  All non-animal food waste goes in the composter, and we are very conscientious about glass, metal, and plastic recycling. If we ever had a rare week with lots of waste I can always use the dumpster at work.

Trying to remember from the start of the conversation though, will any green waste need to go in separate bags or the cart?  We don’t generate much of it except when we trim bushes or have limbs and twigs after a good storm.  I mulch lawn clippings and leaves.

I thought I would start a thread to try and answer any questions people have about the new trash changes.

I am a fan of the proposed system.

Two carts, one for trash and one for recycling...both picked up the same day. The cost for the new system is projected to be about what I pay now.
The trucks will be CNG powered.

If you decide that you can get by with a medium size cart you can save a buck and a half and the smaller cart is another buck and a half even cheaper.

No one is forced to recycle. You can put everything into the trash cart if desired.

There will be extra charges for yard waste that doesn't fit into your trash cart. Composters and people who use mulching mowers won't pay for those who don't. Projected costs for bags for green waste should be around 75 to 80 cents per bag.

Any questions?

All the cogniscenti know that when the revolution comes it will be in the form of large plastic trash cans. With RFID. Sold at inflated prices. The idea is that we will first thin the population by incarcerating those unable to understand the new rules and wait patiently as the aged and infirm collapse under the strain of pushing the carts around. At that point they will be stuffed into the carts and disposed of quietly. That's why they are so large....

All the cogniscenti know that when the revolution comes it will be in the form of large plastic trash cans. With RFID. Sold at inflated prices. The idea is that we will first thin the population by incarcerating those unable to understand the new rules and wait patiently as the aged and infirm collapse under the strain of pushing the carts around. At that point they will be stuffed into the carts and disposed of quietly. That's why they are so large....

All the cogniscenti know that when the revolution comes it will be in the form of large plastic trash cans. With RFID. Sold at inflated prices. The idea is that we will first thin the population by incarcerating those unable to understand the new rules and wait patiently as the aged and infirm collapse under the strain of pushing the carts around. At that point they will be stuffed into the carts and disposed of quietly. That's why they are so large....

RM, for those of that live in the NW Quadrant what size cart do we have currently?  I'm sure it's stamped on the cart somewhere but I haven't seen it in a very quick cursory glance.

95 gallon carts are currently used for all houses west of Yale and north of I-244. The new cart sizes are 35, 65, and 95.

My mother and I generate at the most, 3 thirteen gallon bags of trash a week (and most weeks it's just two bags).  Alot of that has to do with our recycling habits.

If you don’t recycle as you are told just wait the trash cop will be knocking at your door making out tickets for trash violations.  If the trash board has qualms about recycling service, because as you have been told they consider the cash income from the recycles to subsidize the new advanced pickup that is going to outdistance all other cities.  You are going to get a blue ribbon for the exceptional to all other cities. 

If you don‘t recycle they own the water meters so they will just take your’s out.

Some one should post the items that are not recyclable.  Our friends in Japan established recycling prior to WWII and today the products they produce can not be repaired because of our higher wage scale.  A $17.00 toaster cannot be repaired when the average wage employee is costing you $20,00 an hour. 

The trash/recycle carts will possible be like the time police cars were quipped with fire extinguishers.  Later they made a check to see if they needed to be refilled.  After conducting a search not very many could be found.       


     

Dementia is setting in.  Recycling isn't mandatory.  That's been stated pretty unilaterally.

You are stealing space in the office dumpster.

It's not stealing if one has permission to use it.

95 gallon carts are currently used for all houses west of Yale and north of I-244. The new cart sizes are 35, 65, and 95.

Dementia is setting in.  Recycling isn't mandatory.  That's been stated pretty unilaterally.

Please, just stop now.  You're being silly.

Conan 71: don’t want to disillusion you but the present trash ordnance    prohibits the movement of trash without the present license to haul it. You are stealing space in the office dumpster.

RM: You quote the present for overrun of yard trash at 70/80 cents per bag.

Three phrases are used in all changes in the city.
1. It is for the children but the office workers enjoy it.  It will increase revenue.
2. It will not increase your taxes.
3. Its estimated cost to citizens will cover all expenses.
Remember the sewer tax when it was implemented?
Flood tax? EMSA?   
 

It’s not trash when it leaves my house.  I’m simply trying to find a use for it at the office.  When I cannot find a use for bundled twigs or any takers for stale party food at the office, it ends up in the dumpster with blessings from my boss.

They pipe away the crap in my toilet, they keep my house safe from flooding and they send an ambulance to save me when I need it for 44 cents a day. I think that is a fair price.

RM: I paid for the sewer district now I am charged to use it.  My  parents paid for the water line which is a catchall for any new tax.  Federal government made possible flood control.  EMSA is a government agency. I paid for the streets in front and beside of my house.  When these were enacted no one said we need a use tax on the water so we can threaten you by turning your water off.

RM: Check with code enforcement and let him/her define trash for you.

Yes. You are charged by the gallon to use the sewer. You are charged by the gallon to have the city pump water to your house.

Did you really think that you would pay for a water line one time and get free water for life? If so, you have been crazy for a long time.

Truer words have never been spoken by any of the Plutocrats that seek to control.

When people form a society they look for water. They band together in order to produce clean water.  They expect to all chip in and pay for the upkeep of the water system they have created.   Along comes the Plutocrats and they say “Let’s collect a fee on the water to paint all curbs red”.  “To insure that those who don’t want red curbs and refuse to pay the fee we can make a rule that anytime they pay a part of the water bill we will apply that first to the fee’s and we can turn their water off for not paying their water bill.  So the Plutocrats smile at the poor, the aged, and retiree’s as they count the treasures they collect from needy.   

 

The trash board, being appointed, possibly could be defined as a non-governing body. 

There is some kind of law that allows those kind of agencies to develop regulations that have the effect of law without being voted on by any elected body or the public. Whether that is good or not probably depends on the observer.

leaving the details up to the executive branch.

The Supreme Court seems to make the binding laws that the citizen has no choice but to accept.  Many of the laws or rules contain clauses that discredit’s the intent of the law.  By the time it is challenged in the high court it often deviates from its purpose as the rule of law.
 
The city councilor who is challenging the 34 years of the C.E.O. of EMSA reign by asking for a investigating may be like striking a hornet nest with a tooth pick.

What is your input in the bidding process, as required by statute, whereas the conditions were changed after the bids were canvassed?  If the winning bidder’s company could not provide the service as specified on the bid sheet should not the company be liable to furnish the service by employing another company to perform the service until the bidder’s company could full-fill its obligation to perform the service they won in such bid process? 

If this is the way that changes can be made in the bid process why would anyone gather the information to submit a bid?           

That's where most of the problems and disagreements start.

Talk to Congress. Personally, I think it's a much more sane way of handling most topics than setting all the minutiae in stone. You think red tape and slow reaction is a problem now? Oy.

A group of failed politicians looking for attention had a press conference saying they were going to file a lawsuit but haven't filed yet.

I meant the lawsuit that was filed several months ago by the current coalition of haulers.

Yes. TRI dropped the lawsuit when they ran out of money to pay their lawyers.

Just stop shadows.

You are making a fool of yourself looking for a way to be opposed to this progress. For you to imply such ridiculous assertions is really low class, even for you.

You don't have a clue as to what is happening and your innuendo is libelous and foolish.

Give it up.

You implied that the haulers were all mafia. It was an irresponsible and stupid thing to do.

You talk about facts, then write everything but.

No one is eliminating small businessmen. TRI was a consortium of small haulers and a handful of them broke away after 32 years and formed a new compnay that put in the low bid.

Believe me, there was plenty of coverage of all the facts. No one is hiding anything. You are a fool if you don't understand that.

Can someone tell me about the beer war in KC?

Are we talking about the Blvd Boys & Marshall Mafia going at it?  Like in a sharks & jets kinda way?  I might pay for that!

Wasn't that settled where in the process included a transition period that TRI could extend the contract month to month while the new contract was being phased in?

They mentioned on the news last night that TRI wants up to $250K extra for “truck maintenance” to make it through the summer, otherwise they may not be able to service Tulsa customers beyond July. 

With some of the horrifying deathtraps I've seen lumbering along our streets, they should've paid attention to needed maintenance already.

Our neighborhood truck was DRT last Friday morning just down the block.  With the way the driver drives it, surprised it didn’t happen sooner.

They mentioned on the news last night that TRI wants up to $250K extra for “truck maintenance” to make it through the summer, otherwise they may not be able to service Tulsa customers beyond July.  MC also thought she heard there was discussion on twice weekly pick up with the bins.  I thought that ran counter to what we’ve been talking about here with once a week service only.  Anyone got anything on that?

MC also thought she heard there was discussion on twice weekly pick up with the bins. 

Calling RM....

....kind of a form of extortion leverage. Cities tit caught in the ringer? We could have 3 months of sweltering stink lying around our neighborhoods. I think the city should pony up, but they might have to "christian" this mob down on the price. Imagine the pests if no compromise is reached.  :-\

It sounds as if the new contractor could either come in sooner or find other contractors to fill in until October.

What a tangled web.

TeeDub- thanks!

They mentioned on the news last night that TRI wants up to $250K extra for “truck maintenance” to make it through the summer, otherwise they may not be able to service Tulsa customers beyond July.  MC also thought she heard there was discussion on twice weekly pick up with the bins.  I thought that ran counter to what we’ve been talking about here with once a week service only.  Anyone got anything on that?

I heard the discussion was about $280,000, or $1 per household in the City of Tulsa.  I think TARE, from what I understand, told them in essence to eff off.  TRI is just playing the spoiled brat now.  That nasty purple truck that runs down my street scares me.  Back in 2005, the trash service was great.  Picked up before I left for work as long as I put it out the night before.  Since then I was lucky if it got picked up by the time I got home from work.

Kind of like a toothless hooker, eh?  ;D

You implied that the haulers were all mafia. It was an irresponsible and stupid thing to do.

You talk about facts, then write everything but.

No one is eliminating small businessmen. TRI was a consortium of small haulers and a handful of them broke away after 32 years and formed a new compnay that put in the low bid.

Believe me, there was plenty of coverage of all the facts. No one is hiding anything. You are a fool if you don't understand that.

32 Gallon - 12.50

64 gallon - 14.00

96 gallon - 15.50

2x a week service - Add $5

http://kwgs.com/post/hear-mornings-top-local-news-kwgs

Would someone tell me if the minim charge possible cost $12.50 for 32 gal containers, how in heavens name can it be sold to Tulsa residents that the five dollar second weekly run can be made at such a reduced cost.

Shady, does Tulsa do anything right?

I've got these

Beer Wars

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY-Bg5Odi0M[/youtube]

Bear Wars

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quBcHOoxpWo[/youtube]

Beer Wars is a great doc.  As far as I know its still available on Netflix streaming.  Great watch for all beer lovers.

I'm glad my recycling bin will be bigger and picked up weekly.  The current bins can barely hold all the Marshall bottles I drink!

My Marshalls bottles get filled up with home brew. I just moved to all grain (no extracts) brewing and I'm stoked. CarltonPlace Amber is in the carbouy as of 6AM today.  ;D

What do you use to recap?

Bottle caps are cheap. So is a capper

(http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/public/vljQg8x1iSctvk6UarAWqjR1EbR7R_Bs2kXvzN7YB034_NDUgb69tqpE75iO_V4noEnCzP6tdlT975A8ZPWPFGijKmeIWjbpoAB6ToaZF4ufC3JHRpEgSJP2bhjbhiH-NXR4s_-sl55_KBwMMwu2dlRLVQ=s90-c)

My Mash Tun is a 44 gallon water cooler. I removed the spigot and relaced it with a ball valve and the braided outside of a water supply line.

Are there other options?  I've never really looked into home brewing closely.  I've done the cursory look and decided I didn't have time to mess with it.

So, your mash tun is bigger than the smallest trash container?

They have all the supplies at Mecca and the other home brewers supply store out south.  

The other store is High Gravity.  It's between Ross Dress for Less and Sunshine Furniture on the Southwest Corner of 71st and Memorial.  The store is owned by two homebrewers.   They have a BUNCH of stuff in stock.  They can also tell you anything you want to know about homebrewing.

http://www.highgravitybrew.com/productcart/pc/index.asp

I went in there once.  Being a newbie felt intimidated by the staff.  Was it my own insecurity?

I went in there once.  Being a newbie felt intimidated by the staff.  Was it my own insecurity?

No more responses to shadows from me. 

No more responses to shadows from me. 

Fancies liken Dreams of Grandeur cannot be responded too.  They are likening to the barker in front of the side show at the carnival as he screams “Come in and see”.   Then once inside you realize you have been taken but he has your money. 







RM: (quoted)(The second day of service has less trash and many people won't put out trash both days, even if they pay for it. The bidders said they would do it $5 more per month and the city didn't mark up the price.)
That statement does not muster. If the resident is paying for the container size of trash twice a week then a truck has to be sent to that address twice a week to check to see if the cart is placed out.  It is the depreciation on the equipment and fuel cost not the amount of trash that is in jeopardy. There is a question who will furnish a performance bond in case they are not able to perform?  Will the solution be the citizens are going to have constant increases in the price once this change has been installed?

RM: (quoted) (The new haulers have made a good living and have good credit and are buying new trucks with help from the financing that comes with a 14 year guaranteed $150 million contract). 
Where have they preformed the trash pickup in a city with a 100,000 accounts? Would like to know, and for the record, who is financing this venture ?

RM: (quoted)There are new tariffs.) 
It has been hard to find out who is going to buy the buy the 350,000 carts?

Seems to me that fellow that is promoting the trash change has been sampling some the home brew that is being bottled.

I hate to tell you this but a local community bank is financing their equipment.  I know several local banks had the opportunity to finance their new company.  No monkey business as far I've seen & heard.

Time to choose: Residents will be able to choose their trash cart size - 96-, 64- or 32-gallon - from May 14 until June 8, after which the city's cart order with the manufacturer must be finalized.

A phone number and email address are being set up to take the cart size requests for that period.

To make people aware of the process, postcards will begin arriving in mailboxes May 10 providing some general information.

That will be followed with a customized letter arriving about May 13 detailing the type of service each household has, what options are available under the new system and how to go about choosing.

Finally, another post card will arrive May 22 reminding people to make their size selection or they automatically will be issued the 96-gallon cart.

If a resident wants to refuse a recycling cart, they can do that, Lee said, adding that would not change a customer's rate.

"If someone says, 'Please don't deliver this to me. I'm not going to recycle,' that's what we'll abide by," he said.

How will the haulers denote how many extra bags of trash (other section) they pick up at each address?

Likely using a sticker based system.

Is that when you put rose bush and blackberry trimmings in the trash?

Well well well we are finaly being taken in on the change that will require another battery of score keepers to ride along with the two trucks and keep the score or like EMSA just keep billing the residents for services they did not order but will intertwine any money received into one fund.  This will require another department for the bureaucracy to fill, increasing the overall cost of benefits accumulated by the city employees. 

Assume that the finance Tulsa bank who made possible the bargain glass cube, costing the poor, the unemployed, the children and the aged, millions of dollars by having to sell the paid for city hall for about one tenth of its apprised value.

Didn’t see the trash pickup as being broke that needed to be fixed but after the October 1 there could be a question.

   

What is your current profession, because clearly you've found your calling as a stand-up comic!

 ;)

TULSA, Oklahoma - Starting Monday, Tulsa residents will have the option to choose what size their new trash carts will be, as the city moves to an October 1, 2012 start date for the new refuse system.

From May 14 to June 8, 2012, Tulsans can select a 32-gallon, 64-gallon or 96-gallon trash cart.

"After listening to the public's questions and preferences, we wanted to allow residents to choose their cart size," said Cheryl Cohenour, Tulsa Authority for the Recovery of Energy chairwoman. "We encourage citizens to watch their mail and pay attention to the public education campaign so they can consider their options carefully and make the right decision for their needs."

Residents can visit www.KnowYourTrash.com or call 918-596-9777 to speak with a live operator to select a service plan and cart size.


"Choice and flexibility are two key components of the new trash system," said Eric Lee, City of Tulsa solid waste manager. "Residents have three options for refuse cart sizes, and they can change their mind in the first six months without a fee if they realize they have selected the wrong size for their needs."

Tulsa will conduct an educational campaign throughout May and early June to help residents choose the refuse cart that best fits their needs and understand additional service options.

Wow, that was simple. Even more simpler as by the simplest of arithmetic of the third grade level .  ;D

We selected our trash can over the weekend.

http://www.knowyourtrash.com/

I'll lay money that less then 25% of Tulsa trash customers will do that before the change occurs.

Then there will be all sorts of houses with 96 gallon trash cans and no idea how to swap them out.  They'll just sit there, wallowing in their filth, bitching about it.

I already have no patience for these people and  they haven't done it yet.

We got our card in the mail on Friday.  Although I barely fill a 50 gallon container on our scheduled days (maybe generate 2 to 3 13 gallon bags a week), I'll likely choose the 64 gallon container just to be on the safe side, especially as it relates to green waste on occasion.  It doesn't hurt either that they're allowing a 6 month period to change sizes, either up or down, for no fee.

I'm still a little put off by no size choice other than the 96 gallon for the recycle bin, but hey.  It will cost a bout 2 dollars more a month with the 64 gallon.  And if I find that 64 gallon isn't really enough, I'll scale down to 32 and we should be just fine.

Green waste or some sort of wild party was the exact reason I decided on a 64. 

Green waste or some sort of wild party was the exact reason I decided on a 64. 

As I have always said BA has acquired highly intelligent citizens who believe that all expenditures affecting all the people should be decided by the people.
So be it, trash pickup is a venture of all the citizens who should vote on any changes that are made.

BA citizens fire City Managers for withholding information from them.       

Not sure what your mailed proposal says, but it looks like my monthly bill for once-a-week trash service (as opposed to twice-per-week now) will be going up by around 20%.

I don't mean to be skeptical, but in my case, it's definitely increasing, for decreasing service.

Nobody said it would be cheaper. Or even the same price. The entire reason we're going through this is because we've been paying below cost for some years now. It stands to reason that the price would then increase. Thanks to bundled recycling, my cost is actually going down $1.42. If I didn't presently pay for recycling, it would be an increase of 58 cents a month. I only need a 64 gallon cart once a week. Twice is handy in case I forget one day, but it's not worth the extra four bucks a month to me.

They did a segment on the news last night about what a FAIL the 96 gallon recycling cart is especially for the elderly.  As we have no garage, I’m more than a little concerned where the 96 gallon recycle cart and 64 gallon trash cart are going to reside.

Thank you for the link Hoss. It's the same as the mailer I received from the city a week or so ago.

To be precise, the new mandatory city trash service will represent a 17.2 percent monthly increase in cost, and that's for less than half the service if you consider not only cutting twice-a-week service to once a week, but also the fact that we could put more trash at curbside before. This is if we choose the most inexpensive option now available to us (32 gallon, curbside, once a week service). Now we'll be limited to a considerably smaller amount each week, and for no more than we have to recycle each week, then I guess we're going to be stuck with yet another container, a huge blue tub blocking access from front to back on the side of the house and blowing down the street on days like this. 

I'd be curious as to what others calculate to be their increase (or decrease) with this new system. I don't mean to be skeptical, but in my case, it's definitely increasing, for decreasing service. (Actually, healthy skepticism is usually my first reaction when it comes to governmental control of our public dollars.) I just wish our local government could tell us straight up when they're raising our taxes (well, or "fees" if you'd like). Maybe everyone else's bills come out to no more monthly, for the same services. It seems like I do remember city hall stating that the new trash service would not cost us citizens any more, so we'll see. I hope they're right.


..just my $0.02 worth. Your mileage may vary.     

They did a segment on the news last night about what a FAIL the 96 gallon recycling cart is especially for the elderly.  As we have no garage, I’m more than a little concerned where the 96 gallon recycle cart and 64 gallon trash cart are going to reside.

You must not have been on low-gen...mine is going up a little.

They did a segment on the news last night about what a FAIL the 96 gallon recycling cart is especially for the elderly.  As we have no garage, I’m more than a little concerned where the 96 gallon recycle cart and 64 gallon trash cart are going to reside.

Yeah, that's a lot of capacity!  On the other hand, you can get a special rate on backyard pickup if you have a physical limitation, so what's the big deal?  You pay the rate based on trash, not recycling.  Park that sucker, fill it with what you've got, and let the city come get it.  (Unless it's too tall to open from a wheelchair...)

It's a huge win for Tulsa just to have people recycling with every trash pickup... regardless of the cart size.

I'm just excited that I no longer have to pay extra to do the right thing (curbside recycling.)  Now, doing the right thing doesn't cost me, and the more I recycle, the more I save on trash.  What's not to like?

That really hasn’t bothered me to pay the $2.00 and use the two recycle bins from the city I’ve got.  If you saw our house footprint, you’d understand why a 96 gallon bin presents a logistical issue for us in terms of storage.  If I keep it in the back yard, no real issue until after a large rain and I’ve got to navigate a muddy path getting it to the curb.  But with 96 gallons, if I miss one collection chances are it will eventually be dry enough to roll it down to the curb.  We’ve got an area which is too shady for bermuda to grow but a total PITA to keep watered for fescue to grow and someone is too cheap at this point to spring for river rock ;)

If you live in Lortondale, you could always use the recycle bin for extra closet/storage space.... ;)

They did a segment on the news last night about what a FAIL the 96 gallon recycling cart is especially for the elderly.  As we have no garage, I’m more than a little concerned where the 96 gallon recycle cart and 64 gallon trash cart are going to reside.

Hey Conan!  They feel your lack of storage space pain!

According to the Tulsa World "Trash Board Says Smaller Recycling Carts May Be Offered"
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=593&articleid=20120530_11_A9_Tulsas360022 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=593&articleid=20120530_11_A9_Tulsas360022)

From the article:
"Of the two comments we are hearing the most," Lee said, "it's either 'I can't handle that' or 'I can't fit that inside my garage or my backyard, wherever.' It's a dimensional issue."  

So, Conan, I guess you aren't the only one suffering from an...uh..."dimensional issue."   ;)

Is this our recycling cart?

(http://www.cityofvancouver.us/upload/images/SolidWaste/GordonMacWilliamsRecycling01Web.jpg)

The government has been subsidizing the cost of your trash pick up for some time and that has kept the price artificially low. Also low trash generators (like me with one bag per week) have been subsidizing high volume producers. Now we are moving to pay per use. My cost is about $1.17 more per month with the middle sized cart.

... based on the fundamentals of self government disappear when government assumes the identity of a personal ruler.   

We live in a democratic society and use a republican system of governance. True self-government doesn't exist in modern society. It hasn't for hundreds of years (or as long as you have been alive, whichever is longer).

Pray tell how the trash board accumulated a ten million dollars surplus by subsidizing the present trash pickup. 

This is the typical reason all representative governments, based on the fundamentals of self government disappear when government assumes the identity of a personal ruler.     

I STILL want to know what the pile of dirt is for that is stockpiled and partially covered at the Creek River Spirit Casino.

And this relates to trash service....how?

Thought that pile of dirt was there to cover up all the mistakes in redoing a working trash disposal to one with built in increasing cost to the citizens. 

Has anyone noticed the residents of BA are going to wait until Tulsa weighs their pot of gold accumulated from the change in the trash pickup, until after the first of the year, before setting out their empty pot to be filled?

They ask if the citizens wanted a change (exercising the right to self-govern) reducing the condition now in force and increasing their out of pocket cost.
Their response seem to have been “Hell No” by the hundreds.

Thought that pile of dirt was there to cover up all the mistakes in redoing a working trash disposal to one with built in increasing cost to the citizens. 

Has anyone noticed the residents of BA are going to wait until Tulsa weighs their pot of gold accumulated from the change in the trash pickup, until after the first of the year, before setting out their empty pot to be filled?

They ask if the citizens wanted a change (exercising the right to self-govern) reducing the condition now in force and increasing their out of pocket cost.
Their response seem to have been “Hell No” by the hundreds.

^^^^^^^^all of the above is misinformation^^^^^^^^^^
There was public input, this was not done in a vacuum
Most Tulsan's think this new change is positive
The old system was outdated and we weren't charged the for the service, it was heavily subsidized to keep the price artificially low.

How can you be so wrong?

Broken Arrow currently charges $15.50 per month and loses about a dollar per customer per month. Their proposal is on hold, but their plan was to charge the same for the 96 gallon cart. There is no competition for residential trash in either city.

Tulsa charges $13.44 per month and loses about a dollar per customer per month. Tulsa is proposing changing to a new cart system and charging $15.52 per month.

The desk jockeys are about the same. Broken Arrow has a staff of three office personnel for 30,000 households and Tulsa has a staff of six for 115,000 households.

Broken Arrow had some negative folks at their meetings that made the paper, but they also had many who supported change. The real reason they have put their plan on hold is because of leadership void caused by the casino issue. The city manager was fired and the Mayor resigned. Now is not the time for bold changes.

$15.50 for twice a week trash service AND the city provides trash bags vs. $13.44 for once a week service and a ugly plastic tote.

To get twice a week service Tulsans have to pay an extra $5.

Sounds like BA is providing a service for cheaper to me.

In fact, according to a recent sanitation study, (found http://www.brokenarrowok.gov/DocumentCenter/Home/View/306 (http://www.brokenarrowok.gov/DocumentCenter/Home/View/306))

"Our rate in Broken Arrow will be $15.50 which covers our operational costs, bags, capital costs, assigned overhead charges and costs associated with the M.e.t and two Free Dump Days during the year."

Maybe if the city of Broken Arrow would quit subsidizing someone here's organization *cough cough* M.E.T. they would be even more on the positive side.

In fact...   Why DOES the city of Broken Arrow feel the need to give the M.E.T. $50,000 per year?

The trash carts will take up 49 square feet. 

Math isn't your friend.

The carts are 30 inches wide and 36 inches deep. Each footprint is 7.5 square feet. Times two carts.

Just to be helpful, it is 15 square feet (or less than a third of what you said).

Math isn't your friend.

The carts are 30 inches wide and 36 inches deep. Each footprint is 7.5 square feet. Times two carts.

Just to be helpful, it is 15 square feet (or less than a third of what you said).
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Are we talking about 15 square feet storage space or the amount of the space needed to use the carts?  The figures being used included also the walk around space need in order to handle the placing of the bags in the carts or was the citizens expected to practice basket ball with the bags? 

Are we talking about 15 square feet storage space or the amount of the space needed to use the carts?  The figures being used included also the walk around space need in order to handle the placing of the bags in the carts or was the citizens expected to practice basket ball with the bags? 

It's possible he means 49 cubic feet.  Different animal completely.  It scares me a little if he got that number from the BA study.  That cements everything I believe about BA.

"You can't fix stupid"

By BRIAN BARBER World Staff Writer
Published: 6/18/2012  10:34 AM
Last Modified: 6/18/2012  4:59 PM

 Continuing coverage: Read more on Tulsa's trash service here.

Tulsa's trash board approved a three-month trash collection program Monday since the city's current hauler is unable to continue beyond its June 30 contract expiration.

The temporary program to run from July through September involves once-a-week collection for all households, a cheaper monthly rate, different service days and a suspension of recycling pickup.

The rate will go from $13.44 to $10.52 per month to match the small section of the city known as the northwest quadrant that already has once-a-week collection.

Recycling collection will resume as the trash and recycling carts begin to be delivered July 16 at a rate of about 12,000 to 15,000 households per week for the volume-based system set to launch Oct. 1.

The temporary summertime trash program impacts the 95,000 households that have been under the current hauler, Tulsa Refuse Inc.

TRI originally had agreed to continue the current service for the summer months but never signed a contract. It has been having equipment and manpower issues.

The city's northwest quadrant, with about 20,000 houses, will continue to have its usual once-week trash service by city crews until Oct. 1.

The recycling suspension impacts the entire city. Residents will be encouraged to use the Metropolitan Environmental Trust recyclable drop-off sites.

The city's new hauling company, NeWSolutions, is starting work early for the program under an emergency contract. Its contract to service the entire city with the new volume-based system still begins Oct. 1.

By BRIAN BARBER World Staff Writer

(http://www.tulsaworld.com/articleimages/2012/20120618_trtashpickup6666666666618.jpg)

Eck at their Source Code.

Let us be fair in the reason the present haulers would not sign a contract.  The trash is being picked up by a group of private haulers who furnish their own workman comp, they owned and maintained their own trucks and hired their own helpers.  The months of July, August and September are the months that the heat assaults workers causing a very uncommon condition as to the rest of the year.  Bring unaware of the condition imposed by the new contractor one would presume that it is written on latex rubber as it seems to be very flexible and binding only to the rate payers who are subject to any condition imposed with “We will decide for you.”

Why would any group want to work during the months where heat related illnesses escalate at an alarming rate? If you had a family depending on you would you wait three month to look for a job or now while the unemployment is at a low cycle?
 :o :o :o :o :o
   
 

Can the city help it if the initial THIRTY YEAR CONTRACT began on July 1st?

That's the only thing I'm upset with the city about is approving a 30 year contract for anything.  That's just silliness squared.

What is a contract?  Is it merely a piece of paper to wave around in the air crying “I got a contract?”  The bidders should have been aware the contract to pick up the trash started on July 1 not October 1 when the bids were solicited and submitted.

Is it the policy for the city to ask for bids with “If your bid is awarded, the contract can be change to any date at you conveyance?

“Does the new bidding contract have the date of beginning on July 1 or October 1” 

Will all future city contracts be awarded under the same policy of beginning work at your convenience?   

Two words.

Done.Deal.

Now get over it.  Or hire a private hauler.  I'm guessing you have that choice in Tulsa...do you?

What happens if your day is a holiday? 

Carts to start distribution on July 16th; current recycling suspended until the carts are delivered.

I wasn't aware of this part. So from now until I receive my new big blue I need to go to the MET?

So we got our trash picked up by the new contractor this morning.

It was the same giant pile of crap truck that doesn't look like it would pass inspection to drive in a junkyard much less at high speeds.

It made me want to ask, will this contract also provide for the new CNG trucks or did that go to the wayside?

You can bet they will over promise and under deliver.

Tulsa,  today, begins a transition to its new refuse and recycling system, incorporating several of the new program elements , according to the Tulsa Authority for the Recovery of Energy (TARE).

Tulsa's new collections hauler for the upcoming refuse and recycling system, NeWSolutions, is slated to begin picking up residents' trash starting July 1. As a result, services will change on July 1, and rates will be decreased during the interim three-month period before the new system begins on Oct. 1.

Tulsa's current trash collection system is based on a contract that is set to expire June 30 after more than 30 years. The City's new refuse and recycling program is scheduled to begin Oct. 1 and an interim collections service has been planned to run from July through September.

Although the current trash hauler, Tulsa Refuse Inc., had been identified as a likely provider for trash service during the interim period, it recently became apparent to TARE and City of Tulsa Solid Waste Services staff that the consortium is unable to maintain sufficient service past June 30.

"We hoped the current contractor would be able to enter an agreement with us to pick up residential trash during the interim period, but because their operations have diminished, we must move forward with an alternative plan," said Cheryl Cohenour, TARE chairwoman. "We now have an effective solution that will reduce customers' rates and transition the community slowly into the new program. This approach ensures trash will be picked up during the transitional period, as well as when the new system begins in its entirety in October."

The Interim Plan

 

Schedules

Collection routes and trash pickup schedules for each Tulsa neighborhood also have been determined based on five major zones throughout the city, each with a corresponding day during the week in which trash will be collected for that area. A map showing the collection zones and days can be found online.

Northwest Quadrant - City Services Continue
The only area not yet affected by this interim collection period involves residents living in the northwest quadrant of the city, where a cart-based collection system has been in place for a number of years.

Recycling Services suspended until new carts arrive
Recycling pickup services provided by the City of Tulsa will be temporarily suspended for several weeks until the new recycling carts are received by residents. Distribution of the new refuse and recycling carts for all Tulsa residents will occur between July 16 and Sept. 23. Residents may begin to use the new refuse and recycling carts as soon as they are received.

Although recycling will only be delayed for a few weeks, Tulsans with recycling needs are encouraged to bring their recyclable materials to the Metropolitan Environmental Trust (MET), which accepts materials at a number of locations. A list of MET locations is available online.

Rates and Rules
Tulsans will continue to have unlimited, curb-side disposal through September but trash pick-up will change from twice-a-week to once-a-week service, resulting in a base rate decrease to $10.52.

"We appreciate NeWSolutions' willingness and ability to work with the City to expedite a detailed plan for interim collection services," said City of Tulsa Solid Waste Services Manager Eric Lee. "We will remain focused on providing uninterrupted refuse collections and ask for residents' patience as we begin this transition."

The new refuse program will feature a new fleet of trucks that will operate on compressed natural gas and be equipped with either a semi-automatic cart tipping system or a fully-automatic robotic arm. The trucks will be used during the transition period but because the new carts will not be delivered until July 16, service workers will manually pick up the trash, as is done with the current system.

This will require residents to bag all trash, whether they are using their own trash receptacle or not. The TARE board is working with Tulsa City Council to propose a City ordinance requiring citizens to use bags.

However, once residents receive and begin using their new recycling carts, bags are not necessary for recycling. All recyclable materials can be placed into the cart, without bags or otherwise separating the materials.

Found an answer.  I misunderstood this is interim and not actually the new contractor.

http://kwgs.com/post/tulsas-trash-transition-day-1 (http://kwgs.com/post/tulsas-trash-transition-day-1)

So we got our trash picked up by the new contractor this morning.

It was the same giant pile of crap truck that doesn't look like it would pass inspection to drive in a junkyard much less at high speeds.

It made me want to ask, will this contract also provide for the new CNG trucks or did that go to the wayside?

Town, when did the truck make it to your residence?  I'm talking time of day, not which day.  I know what kind of smartass you are.  ;D

About 8 this morning.

I'm an Irish Smartass.  We smartass exponentially with Guinness.

Wow, I'll be curious to see when they pick my trash up.  TRI up until 2006 picked it up before dawn.  Over the course of the next 6 years, it kept getting further and further into the day.  Last pickup on last Thursday was actually around 2pm (which was early for them recently).  They had been averaging about the time I got home from work (between 4:30 and 5pm).  Sometimes not picking it up until 7 or 8pm.

A lot of houses on my street put out their trash today.  However, our pickup is now on Friday, instead of Monday/Thursday.  It will be interesting to see how many simply leave it by the curb until it is picked up.

You may also notice white painted markings on some curbs. Figured out this is the indicator for backyard pickup.

Wow, I noticed that in front of our house and didn't know what had caused it.  The funny thing is that we didn't sign up for backyard pickup. 

I've been walking around with paint to make things interesting for my fellow Tulsans.

You're not this guy are you?

Just an observation, but this sounds like a giant mongollian cf. I get the changes of containers, and days of the week pickup, and garbage in one container, and recycle in another, and I get people getting used to the new process, but it just seem like a not well planned change, and people not informed adequately about the change. The reason I ask is that there should have been some communication between Tulsa, BA, Jenks, Owasso, Bixby, Sapulpa, Sand Springs, et al, since most of them I would guess use the same landfill/recycle depots. Or is this a case of city X is doing such, and cities W,Y,Z,A,B,C have their own agenda as to handling their waste?

JThe reason I ask is that there should have been some communication between Tulsa, BA, Jenks, Owasso, Bixby, Sapulpa, Sand Springs, et al, since most of them I would guess use the same landfill/recycle depots. Or is this a case of city X is doing such, and cities W,Y,Z,A,B,C have their own agenda as to handling their waste?

Just an observation, but this sounds like a giant mongollian cf. I get the changes of containers, and days of the week pickup, and garbage in one container, and recycle in another, and I get people getting used to the new process, but it just seem like a not well planned change, and people not informed adequately about the change. The reason I ask is that there should have been some communication between Tulsa, BA, Jenks, Owasso, Bixby, Sapulpa, Sand Springs, et al, since most of them I would guess use the same landfill/recycle depots. Or is this a case of city X is doing such, and cities W,Y,Z,A,B,C have their own agenda as to handling their waste?

Like Hoss said, TRI backed out at the last minute but they still managed to get repeated stories in every news outlet as well as mailers and door hangers. People who missed the change have no-one to blame but themselves.

Oh, and a little off topic directly but generally on topic, this was the truck I saw Tuesday.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8011/7502528094_3e7b8eee69_z.jpg)

It was picked up around 9:15 am, as the picture shows.  I can't remember the last time my trash was picked up before noon.

Looks like they haven't gotten all the new trucks in yet.

But of course, their facebook page says their new fleet is supposed to start hauling in October.

They picked up our trash this morning.  They even picked up boxes that were not BAGGED in front of my neighbor's house!!!

Mike McMahon - "I hate that that now its only Thursday for me. I always remember sunday nights to take out trash and always miss thursday pick up. Also, wheres my new can I have to pay for?"

TULSA - Trash changes have been creating a stink for some residents around Tulsa.

There have been some bumps in the road this first week, but officials say it will be all downhill from here.

"Everyone I know is talking about the trash. Family gatherings, get together with friends," said midtown Tulsa resident Lauren Van Allen.

Van Allen says learning the new schedule has been difficult in her neighborhood.

"We've had people put out their garbage along the street the whole week, so there's been a lot of false starts," said Van Allen.

In a neighborhood on the other side of town, the story was the same. But to top it off, the haulers missed their pick-up by a day.

"We had some from Monday, all day Monday, all day Tuesday and into Wednesday morning," said east Tulsa resident Carole Warren.

"It smelled, literally," she said.

The new hauler, NeWSolutions , attributes some of troubles to the interim trash contract.

Tulsa's trash contract expired June 30; the new contract with New Solutions officially starts October 1.  

"Somebody has got to haul the trash and we're going to get it hauled that's what we do," said NeWSolutions spokesman Gary Percefull.

The new hauler agreed to fill in during the interim, but wasn't fully prepared.  

They've had to bring on some contractors to help fill in the gaps, and no test runs were performed.

"It was kind of a big surprise and really quick start," said Percefull. "We've got new drivers, we've got new maps, new routes, there's so many changes."

But all in all, officials with both the city of Tulsa and NeWSolutions the week has gone well.

"The city has received very few phone calls related to miscollection," said city of Tulsa spokeswoman Liz Hunt.
"We're going to work really hard and bend over backwards and try to make sure people are happy," said Percefull.

The only issues I've seen with the garbage system is on some unsupported local news stories like this.  Note the end of the story stating; "The city has received very few phone calls related to miscollection," said city of Tulsa spokeswoman Liz Hunt."

Out of 9 commenters, only one bitched about it -   Obviously someone who hasn't bothered to read any of the information sent to him.

Tulsa's trash transition not so smooth as residents report delays in pickup

This story is an example of dumbassed local reporting IMO.

How can you call KOTV local reporting anymore really?  They share news stories with Channel 9 in OKC.  That's why I quit watching their news...

Oops, I forgot to place the link.  It was a KJRH post.

http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/tulsas-trash-transition-not-so-smooth-as-residents-report-delays-in-pickup (http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/tulsas-trash-transition-not-so-smooth-as-residents-report-delays-in-pickup)

My comment about KOTV still stands though.   ;D

I'm certain we will be cursing our socialized lack of mounding piles of garbage and increased citizen participation in recycling. The future is very bleak.

Runaway inflation?

Trash pickup came a bit later this time.  About 1PM.

Same old scary truck but they took a bunch of boxes I put out.

I've seen a CNG truck close to my home.  It looks much less likely to kill groups of children on a playground from being a runaway with no brakes.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120711_11_0_Thedis990485

For those behind the paywall, it's as follows:

July 16-28: West Tulsa; 56th Street North to Admiral Place and Yale Avenue to 145th East Avenue.
July 30-Aug. 18: Admiral Place to 31st Street and Arkansas River to Interstate 44
Aug 13-Sept. 1: I-44 to Broken Arrow Expressway and east to 193rd East Avenue.
Aug 27-Sept. 8: 31st Street joining the Broken Arrow Expressway and south to 61st Street
Sept. 3-15: 61st Street to 91st Street and Arkansas River to Garnett Road
Sept. 10-22: 91st to 131st Street and Arkansas River to Garnett Road
Sept. 17-29: Northwest quadrant (served by city of Tulsa)

Is that the cart delivery and service schedule?

Smaller recycling carts could soon be in Tulsa’s future. The Tulsa Trash Board had ordered huge recycling carts, but is now looking to use, much smaller, 48-gallon carts.

Board member and City Councilor David Patrick likes the idea.

Patrick: "This is a really good compromise to the size of the recycling cart and making that available to the public."               

It is not a done deal. The city legal department needs to review any contract change as well as the NewSolutions Trash Service. However, the city's Eric Lee says the board can move forward.

Lee: "I would always listen to counsel first before proceeding. However , if the intent is to 'let's put our order into queue' to give you enough time to, maybe, wait until  legal responds and/or hear from  NewSolutions."

Tulsa's new trash service begins on Monday.

Smaller Recycle Carts for Tulsa?

http://kwgs.com/post/smaller-recycle-carts-tulsa (http://kwgs.com/post/smaller-recycle-carts-tulsa)

Smaller Recycle Carts for Tulsa?

http://kwgs.com/post/smaller-recycle-carts-tulsa (http://kwgs.com/post/smaller-recycle-carts-tulsa)

Saw this as well.  A little late after we talked about it.  But, I am finding that mine now is more than half full after a week with the items added to the list.  So for now, I'm happy with the larger cart.

Since cardboard is accepted, I might need to keep the Titanic for recycling.

Southie, did you see the article in the Sunday World Scene section about recycling?  It had a pretty extensive list of what was and was not acceptable.  I still have it if you need it.

What do you call it when a class ring with a half ounce of gold, which sold for $14 dollars, is valued at $750 dollars on today’s market? The 79 cent gallon of milk is priced at $3.45?  The Ford auto sold for $2300 dollars now is priced at $23000 dollars? GMC pickup sold for $1400 dollars now priced at $18000 dollars?  Gallon of gasoline sold for 19 cents a gallon now $3.19?  Minimum wage was 25 cents an hour. 

Run away inflation?   We are the world greatest debtor as the values on the foreign exchanges devalue the dollar.  What would one call it other than reverse economy? 

Tulsa, Oklahoma -
When the city purchased new trash and recycling bins, each one came with a unique component. It is called a Radio Frequency Identity tag.

You may not have seen it, located underneath a black plastic cap, on the hinge of the lid.

In some cities, the RFID chip can weigh recycled goods, and citizens are penalized for not recycling, or they may be rewarded recycling dollars for going green. Tulsa officials say that's not the purpose of the tags in your cart.

The RFID tag is there to track when your cart is emptied. A reader inside each truck reads the your chip.

Tulsa reportedly has a system that will help if your carts are blown down the street. They can be traced back to you. And they will confirm if your trash hasn't been picked up and when.

"They can check and see if that truck has tipped your container. If not they will have that, or they can say what time did you put your trash out. If they say they put it out at 8. They can say well, it shows here truck went by at 7:30," City Councilor David Patrick explained.

If you're tempted to tamper with the RFID, remember it is city property, if you damage it.

The new reporting system will start in February, once the installations are complete.

Why is There a Hidden Chip in Your New Tulsa Trash Can?

http://www.ktul.com/story/20616070/new-trash-carts-hold-electronic-device-to-monitor-your-habits-and-pickups (http://www.ktul.com/story/20616070/new-trash-carts-hold-electronic-device-to-monitor-your-habits-and-pickups)

Taking our guns and tracking our trash.  The mosquito spray trucks are for mind control.  It's time to light something on fire.

Turn over a few cars, call up some midget strippers...

Turn over a few cars, call up some midget strippers...