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What does this have to do with "the far left bed wetter's"? How does this have a political slant?
 
Did you ever think that the Jets fans booed him just because he plays for the other team and not because he is outspoken about his faith?

It has EVERYTHING to do with the far left. Your folks just can't stomach an out spoken, honest Christian. Here's your buddies:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=215x193093

So your party is the only one with Christians? A single democrat doesn't like Tebow's show of faith and now all democrats hate Jesus?

You need to get a clue on reality. Your partisanship has made you delusional.

I now hear (and not necessarily from Gweed but from a lot of others) that the USA should adopt Christianity as its official religion.  Really?  Do we want to go down that road again?

So your party is the only one with Christians? A single democrat doesn't like Tebow's show of faith and now all democrats hate Jesus?

You need to get a clue on reality. Your partisanship has made you delusional.

I admit to being far left. If we were talking baseball instead of football, I would play left field and stand in foul territory.

I also know many far left political people who are devout Christians. They have the ability to combine and contrast their political views from their religious views without judging others or assuming that any one issue defines their beliefs.

You should try it. 

Sorry bub. Can't reconcile issues like supporting abortion rights or the death penalty in my religious views. You apparently can be a Christian when it suits you.

So when do you decide that a Christian is not a Christian?  What are the boundaries?  Is there a line that suddenly makes someone not a Christian?  Can the line be stepped back over?

Sorry bub. Can't reconcile issues like supporting abortion rights or the death penalty in my religious views. You apparently can be a Christian when it suits you.

I think I need to go repent. Guido has just informed me that I cannot be a Christian and a democrat. It must be ultra horrid that I see myself as a mixture of both parties.

Silly little heathen I am.

And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

So when do you decide that a Christian is not a Christian?  What are the boundaries?  Is there a line that suddenly makes someone not a Christian?  Can the line be stepped back over?

OK guido, tell me how evangelicals can support candidate Rick Perry for President?

While in Texas, he put in an express lane on death row.

Why should I answer for the opinions/beliefs of "evangelicals" who support the death penalty. I merely expressed my own beliefs. Tell me if you, YOU, support abortion rights.

What a huge double standard! You told him that by being a member of a certain political party, of which some of its members support certain issues, that he also supported those issues by default. But, when the same thing happens to you that logic is voided and you completely dismiss it.
By your own logic, you support the death penalty, are against abortion, are racist, hate taxes, hate Obama, and are a member of the KKK, among other things. Also by your logic, RM hates Jesus, supports abortion, wants to raise taxes, supports the death penalty, among other things.

Are you seeing the flaw?

I said "far left" people and made no mention of political parties. I am A Catholic, before a husband and father or, gulp, a conservative. How about you? And, the notion that some high schooler calls me out in this forum is laughable. Get a college and post degree and then lecture me on flaws.

I am A Catholic, ...

Why should I answer for the opinions/beliefs of "evangelicals" who support the death penalty. I merely expressed my own beliefs. Tell me if you, YOU, support abortion rights, how do you reconcile that?

Redirection alert;
He didn't ask you to answer for them, he asked how you can support them given your belief system.


I hate abortion.  Have known too many - even one is too many - who have had them and it can be (usually is?) devastating.  And it is between the woman and her creator, in whatever form she believes in.

But what is worse is the government trying to interfere with that person and her doctor.

I am a Lutheran. We consider ourselves "reformed" Catholics ;D 

Have anything to do with Martin Luther (of Germany) many years ago?
 
 :D

Yes. The original Protestant whose dying words were reputed to be, "the Pope is the devil". I can't agree or disagree with his remark about that Pope. This one seems okay though.

He preys and thanks the lord for his abilities in an unashamed way, and that's great.  

Spell check.  I think you meant "pray".  (I hope you did...)

Matthew 6:5-6

“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

But what is worse is the government trying to interfere with that person and her doctor.

I am still waiting for a religious/Christian point of view that condones abortion.

Then by your logic you must be in favor Priests fondling altar boys.

Of course, you are not.

Even though the Catholic Church turned it's eyes on the charges (it was documented that almost 4,400 Priests and Deacons were engaged in sexual abuse with a minor), clearly the vast majority of Catholics do not tolerate that behavior.

Believe it or not, there are Catholics who are democrats. There are democrats against abortions. And most surprising to you, there are atheist football fans who cheer for Tim Tebow. They don't care is he gives credit to God, the referees, or his offensive line. They are just happy he helped their favorite team win.

Jehoveh v Egyptian first borns.
Jehoveh v Earth (floods)
Jehoveh v Sodom and Gomorrah

Oh I get it, GOD (yes I said it) supports abortion.

And that's the problem. I do not consider killing a human being an issue between a "person and her doctor". I view it as birth control. Period. I am still waiting for a religious/Christian point of view that condones abortion.

Matthew 6:5-6

“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

That verse has been taken out of context many times before. It applies more to those who pray because they want attention, not because they are sincerely thanking God.

The same thing applies - government getting into the medical business of birth control, between a woman and her doctor.

I understand that there may be cases that I would condone - the standard platitudes of rape, incest, danger to the mother - but those are such a tiny minority they don't really even count.  And seeing some of the parents and the way they treat a baby, it sometimes makes me wonder if the kid wouldn't be better off elsewhere.  But then I think, dead ain't "elsewhere".  They deserve a shot at this just like we all did.

But IF you are gonna insist on government getting into the act, then you better be prepared to step up and take care of that unwanted kid when the DNA donor shows what kind of garbage they really are.  And we aren't prepared to do that in this society.

I'm impressed! Tim Tebow to abortion and death penalty in less than 10 posts! Is that a new record for thread drift?  ;D

Not so much on the abortion/pro-life issue. Remember how wadded up the panties of the pro-abortion crowd got over this ad:

You think there's a pro-abortion crowd?

Oh absolutely. If you support abortion rights, you are pro-abortion in my eyes. Period. What's the problem with calling it as it is? Or, would you prefer "pro-baby killing"?

That verse has been taken out of context many times before. It applies more to those who pray because they want attention, not because they are sincerely thanking God.

People are always looking for signs of God’s beneficence, and a victory by the Orange Crush over the blue-clad Patriots, from the bluest of blue states, will give fodder to a Christian revivalism that has already turned the Republican presidential race into a pander-thon to social conservatives, rekindling memories of those cultural icons of the ‘80s, the Moral Majority and “Hee Haw.”  The culture wars are alive and well, and, if the current climate in Washington is any indicator, the motors are being revved up for what will undoubtedly be the most cantankerous Presidential campaign ever.  When supposedly well-educated candidates publicly question overwhelming scientific evidence on climate change and evolution and then gain electoral traction by fabricating conspiracies about a war on Christmas, these are not rational times.

Into the middle of it all rides Tebow.  Absolutely confident that God is on his side, he comes across as a humbler version of the biblical Joseph, who, in this week’s Torah portion, audaciously lays claim to being the Chosen One, and then goes out and proves it.  Tebow’s sanctimonious God-talk has led even pious peers like Kurt Warner to suggest that he cool it. Joseph could have used the same coaching.

If Tebow wins the Super Bowl, against all odds, it will buoy his faithful, and emboldened faithful can do insane things, like burning mosques, bashing gays and indiscriminately banishing immigrants.  While America has become more inclusive since Jerry Falwell’s first political forays, a Tebow triumph could set those efforts back considerably.

Oh absolutely. If you support abortion rights, you are pro-abortion in my eyes. Period. What's the problem with calling it as it is? Or, would you prefer "pro-baby killing"?

No one is for more abortions. I have never heard a single pro-choice person (and I have volunteered and donated many times and dollars to the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Rights) ever say they want a world with more abortions.

If we are going to make up names, we might as well say one group is pro-choice and the other no-choice.

How do you reconcile having the government say what you can do with your body? You want government completely out of our lives except for women who are pregnant?

And again, if you support abortion rights, you are pro-abortion.

Making abortion illegal will not stop abortions.  It may result in two deaths rather than one.

No it doesn't. My wife and I never considered an abortion when she was pregnant with our children. We are not pro-abortion. That still allows me to believe the decision of others is their decision and should be made without government involvement.

Speaking of strawmen...what the hell are you trying to say about orange jumpsuits? (The government can arrest us and make us cheer for the OSU football team?) No they can't. I cannot be held without committing a crime. I also have the option of packing my child's lunch. 

 

You are assuming (wrongfully) that all abortions are done to save the life of the mother. But please, keep doing whatever convinces you that supporting abortion rights is a good thing. Lemme ask you something, from one father to another, which of your children would be better off aborted. Because that is a question a woman who has had one either before or one having other kids answers with "that one".

You are assuming (wrongfully) that all abortions are done to save the life of the mother. But please, keep doing whatever convinces you that supporting abortion rights is a good thing. Lemme ask you something, from one father to another, which of your children would be better off aborted. Because that is a question a woman who has had one either before or one having other kids answers with "that one".

Are you responding to me?  You know I have no kids.

Why should anyone be concerned about private decisions? This is a political issue not a moral issue....why? because some of us don't believe it's murder or killing to save a pre born glob from entering into our atmosphere into this declining world. Take it to the church and leave it out of my government.

"Pre born glob."

What a disgusting person you are.

Just trying to bring science into the discussion....

It's hard to believe others see the world differently....

Freedom is choice. We are not all bound by your political aims, unless this is a moral decision. Then the church should be your sanctuary and not the US government. Little rat bastards running round controlling freedom..... :(

If we want complete freedom then let us remove all laws. Let's just kill whoever we want.

A developing baby is not a glob. It is alive. I understand someone seeing the world differently than I, but I cannot believe the heartlessness in that statement. You should not be able to kill a child because you don't want he/she.

It nearly makes me physically sick that you seem to be fine with stopping an unborn baby's heart.

So, I'm not entitled to my free thinking? People who judge others based on just their perception of life need to be corrected. You need to breathe to be alive. Heartlessness? Hardly.

So, what's your feeling on the death penalty?

So, at what point does it become a child?  That is the crux of it all.  Otherwise we could really go down the rabbit hole (not to mention the catholic bend on it) and say that your wrong for using any kind of birth control because you are preventing a conception.  Then you can take it even further and say anytime you abstain from intercourse you are preventing the possibility of a child coming into the world.  Yes, that goes to the extreme, but my point is, how do you decide when it stops being cells and actually becomes a child.

Just another argument to throw into the fire, what is everyone's thoughts on filing double homicide charges when someone kills a pregnant woman?

Reshaping the argument. This is about freedom not killing.

So, at what point does it become a child?  That is the crux of it all.  Otherwise we could really go down the rabbit hole (not to mention the catholic bend on it) and say that your wrong for using any kind of birth control because you are preventing a conception.  Then you can take it even further and say anytime you abstain from intercourse you are preventing the possibility of a child coming into the world.  Yes, that goes to the extreme, but my point is, how do you decide when it stops being cells and actually becomes a child.

Just another argument to throw into the fire, what is everyone's thoughts on filing double homicide charges when someone kills a pregnant woman?

That verse has been taken out of context many times before. It applies more to those who pray because they want attention, not because they are sincerely thanking God.

So, at what point does it become a child?  That is the crux of it all.  Otherwise we could really go down the rabbit hole (not to mention the catholic bend on it) and say that your wrong for using any kind of birth control because you are preventing a conception.  Then you can take it even further and say anytime you abstain from intercourse you are preventing the possibility of a child coming into the world.  Yes, that goes to the extreme, but my point is, how do you decide when it stops being cells and actually becomes a child.

Just another argument to throw into the fire, what is everyone's thoughts on filing double homicide charges when someone kills a pregnant woman?

When does life begin?

When the kids move out and the dog dies.

Life changes when kids move out and the dog dies but it don't begin there....

Hey, you shouldn't be askin them type questions. Personally, life begins when when they snip off your foreskin ( for me at least).

Let's argue on that level.

Oh, my comment regarding Obummer not allowing the "morning after" pill to be available and what an idiot decision that was also got taken down.

The drug ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel causes the natural minstrel cycle to basically take place all at once. 

Nice catch.  The original translation from hebrew was "The Pretenders" not the hypocrites.

When does life begin?

When the kids move out and the dog dies.

But when do they ever move out?????  I gotta know...throw me a line here, I'm drowning!!

Actually, it was a decision he made at the urging of physicians and the AMA.  The drug ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel causes the natural minstrel cycle to basically take place all at once.  In many cases this results in excessive but manageable bleeding.  In a small but significant number of cases this results in severe hemorrhage that requires medical attention.

I will agree that recent Popes seem to be OK.

A woman choosing to abort is not making a decision about her body, she is making the decision to kill a small child. It's illegal to kill a child, so why should it be legal to kill one just because they're not born yet?

You are assuming (wrongfully) that all abortions are done to save the life of the mother.

I believe RA is old enough to remember the days of coat hanger abortions. Ban it all you want, it will still happen on a scale that will make your eyes pop.

If the present one hadn't been personally involved in covering up child diddling, he'd be alright. He did tell his flock that it's OK to use a condom if you're shagging a prostitute, after all. That alone should help reduce the incidence of AIDS around the world. Not many popes have saved that many lives.

You're simplifying too much. A woman choosing to abort is most certainly making a decision about her body. She is also making a decision regarding a proto-life that may or may not be born alive if the woman chooses not to have an abortion. The rate of miscarriages among women who know they are pregnant is nearly 20%. That's one in five that God, Allah, or FSM aborts all on his own. And that's just the ones we know about. Women are often not aware of their pregnancy and subsequent miscarriage when it happens early.

My stance is that if the proto-baby can live outside the womb on its own, a woman shouldn't, in an ideal world, be able to abort barring some threat to her health. I construe threat quite broadly, however. Before that, it's living on her good will, and she shouldn't be punished any more than she should be if she told the doctors to turn off her probably-dying mother's ventilator.

I believe RA is old enough to remember the days of coat hanger abortions. Ban it all you want, it will still happen on a scale that will make your eyes pop.

If the present one hadn't been personally involved in covering up child diddling, he'd be alright. He did tell his flock that it's OK to use a condom if you're shagging a prostitute, after all. That alone should help reduce the incidence of AIDS around the world. Not many popes have saved that many lives.

Do you have anything to back up that 20% number? 
Curious, do you condone the use of abortion as a means of birth control? 

What really gets my goat about the abortion debate is that we already know how to reduce abortion rates: sex ed, lifting people out of poverty, and better availability of contraception, including emergency contraception. Instead, people like Gaspar insist on acting like (I presume he doesn't actually believe this, even if it looks like it to me) pregnancy is a punishment for teenage bucking and try to keep Plan B out of the hands of the very people who will be most impacted by an unintended pregnancy.

Other means must be available, and it is massively more important to do the sex ed, out of poverty, better availability things BEFORE it gets to the point a person even has the opportunity to choose an abortion.  Spending a huge pile of money on that stuff just to prevent one abortion is very much fine by me!

Just trying to bring science asshattery into the discussion....

Fixed that one.

Agreed. Reducing abortion through positive means is far better than government telling a woman she must do something with her body.

Our government tells us we cannot rape, murder, and molest kids. Each of which is stopping us from doing stuff with our bodies. Why is an unborn person treated differently?

Because the proto-person is living inside a woman and cannot live without her consent.

It's the law of the land. Like it or not.

Spoken like a true Christian. With that said, I shouldn't hear any more b!tching about corporate personhood or voter id laws from anyone at TNF since the benchmark is that if the court's say something, that ends the debate.

Our government tells us we cannot rape, murder, and molest kids. Each of which is stopping us from doing stuff with our bodies. Why is an unborn person zygote treated differently?

Really, then I guess after 22 weeks gestation any abortion should be illegal since those persons can live outside of a woman's body yet is incapable of consenting to staying in. And what is the legal standard /support of your point. I mean, apart from 7 unelected people wearing dresses in the early 70s.

Question: What other "constitutional rights" cover zygotes?



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Looks older....where's your resource?

Find it yourself.

Even in defeat, Tim Tebow continues to be a polarizing figure. A popular skit on the latest edition of Saturday Night Live which focused on the Denver Broncos quarterback's obsession with religion has drawn a heated response from America's leading televangelist.

Pat Robertson claimed the SNL skit was "anti-Christrian bigotry that's just disgusting." Robertson, 81, told viewers on the Christian Broadcasting Network's 700 Club that had the skit been about another religion, things would have been much different.

"If this had been a Muslim country and they had done that, and had Muhammad doing that stuff, you would have found bombs being thrown off, and bodies on the street,” Robertson said, according to Mediaite. "We need more religious faith in our society, we're losing our moral compass in our nation."

Tebow has the full support of Robertson, a media mogul and powerful figure in the Christian Right. "I think he is a wonderful human being. And this man has been placed in a unique position and I applaud him, God bless him," Robertson said of Tebow.

Robertson wasn't the only one slamming Saturday Night Live's producers; Bob Beckel called the sketch "despicable" during an appearance on Fox News. The political commentator and columnist for USA Today finds nothing funny when it comes to lampooning Tebow and religion.

"First of all, it’s despicable to display Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, like that on Saturday Night Live and they should be ashamed of themselves, Beckel said, according to Mediaite. "And the fact that this keeps drawing attention to Tebow and Christianity and faith and Jesus and they make it into some sort of commercial operation ... there’s nothing funny about that."

Tebow's Broncos lost to the Patriots on Sunday -- something feared by the SNL version of Jesus, who playfully suggested New England coach Bill Belichick was the devil -- but the beloved quarterback has a 7-2 record as the Broncos' starter.

 

"Funny how Pat Robertson's rant saying the skit was hate-speech pretty much characterizes all Muslims as bomb-tossing terrorists.

Even in defeat, Tim Tebow creates controversy -- this time in Tinseltown.
 
HBO's Bill Maher created a firestorm over the Christmas weekend with a scathing reaction to Tebow's subpar performance in Buffalo. Shortly after Tebow threw four interceptions in the Broncos' lopsided defeat to the Bills, Maher turned to his Twitter page to poke fun at the very religious NFL star. (And a warning: Maher's tweet includes harsh language and divisive references.)
 
"Wow, Jesus just [screwed] #TimTebow bad! And on Xmas Eve! Somewhere ... Satan is tebowing, saying to Hitler "Hey, Buffalo’s killing them," Maher tweeted.
 
Maher, a proud atheist who supports legalizing pot, same-sex marriage and is a board member for PETA, upset a number of conservatives, according to Entertainment Weekly. Eric Bolling of Fox News responded to Maher by calling him "disgusting vile trash," among other things.
 
Tebow didn't bother responding to Maher, but plenty of his fans did. Some called for a mass cancellation of HBO subscriptions over the offensive tweet. "Real Time with Bill Maher," is scheduled to return to the premium cable channel on January 13, 2012.

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201112/comedian-takes-heat-over-tim-tebow-tweet




Right...HBO is going to yank him...don't think so.

I thought one of the great Media moments this year was when Hank dissed the Prez and kaput he was. Very little if any support for Bocefus (sp?)
indicates change is coming to America.... :o

I hated HBO long before that jackass developed an unhealthy obsession over Teblow. 

I love watching the conservatives heads asplode to Maher.  I'm kinda 'meh' about most of his stuff, but he says what he believes.

If you had stayed to watch the rest of the show, you might have known that the largest part of his material wasn't even political.

You know you're an Okie when you think that Maher is the opposite side of the Limbaugh coin. One has consistently principled, if unpopular, opinions. The other changes his tune whenever it's expedient to achieve his political ends.

I used to watch Maher years ago on his Politically Incorrect.  First on HBO (I, think), then on network (ABC, I think).  At first he was entertaining but obviously left leaning. Then he started getting really nasty.  3 liberal guests and one not so liberal.  Maher and the 3 lefties would gang up on the poor guest remaining and have a field day.  Shouting, simultaneous talking, not allowing the odd guy out to even respond.  That was when I stopped watching.

I believe that Bill O'Reilly, Hannity, and Greta are more respectful of their liberal guests than Maher could have hoped to been with his conservative guests.  JMO.

Really?  Greta, and maybe Hannity.  If Bill doesn't like what the liberal has to say, nine times out of ten you'll hear him tell his producer to 'cut his mike'.  And that's only if the liberal gets a word in edge-wise over the blowhard screaming at him or her.

Bill gets going but just as often I've heard the liberal guest just keep talking and talking louder.  I'm not buying your 9 out of 10.

And I'm not buying your jazz.  We're even.

 8)

As long as you agree that Maher is a jerk.

As long as you agree that Maher is a jerk.

He can be, yes.  But just like anyone else, he can also speak truth and be entertaining.
O'reilly?  He's just an out and out jerk.

I don't find Maher entertaining.  My opinion of him closely matches your opinion of O'Reilly.

There you have it.

Maher's a comedian by profession.

I don't think O'Reilly is.  He does make me laugh uncontrollably on occasion though.

I was referring to "He's just an out and out jerk."

I know you were.  I still think that.

I don't know of a liberal commentator today that tries to scream over or pull the mike on someone making an argument the way O'Reilly does.  If there's one, point me in that direction.

Actually, if you ever listen to Hannity, he speaks over liberal callers all the time.  Far worse than O'Really.

And if Maher is a comedian, his humor is lost on me.

Speaking over is bad.  I'm talking about the way O'Reilly amps up the volume if he feels like he's losing an argument.  That's sandlot crap right there.  But I guess it plays to his viewers.

They are all pricks trying to push their agenda however they can.

I don't find Maher entertaining.  My opinion of him closely matches your opinion of O'Reilly.

I believe that Bill O'Reilly, Hannity, and Greta are more respectful of their liberal guests than Maher could have hoped to been with his conservative guests.  JMO.

Maher does not shout over guests. He does a fair job of keeping the rest of the panel from doing so also.

It's been a while since I watched him but my memory is guests talking over other guests with Maher's implicit permission.  They may not have raised or lowered mic levels but the result is the same, you can't understand any of them.  Lies.... Two different experts can take the same data and get opposed truths.   Honest, he pushed his nose right into my fist.  And he did it hard enough to hurt my hand.  The right does not have a monopoly on stretching the truth.

No, but they do it a helluva lot better and more frequently.  My observation, of course, feel free to disagree (which I'm sure you will). 

Actually, if you ever listen to Hannity, he speaks over liberal callers all the time.  Far worse than O'Really.

And if Maher is a comedian, his humor is lost on me.

How sad is that...you and Red have no sense of humor?

Probably don't think Al Franken is funny either.

How sad that you cannot tell the difference between a joke and true hatred.  Letterman fell to the dark side in 2008.  Before that, I thought most of his jokes about Republicans were funny.

Sure, his political beliefs are a joke.

And how would you put Pat Buchanan and Jerry Falwell??  And Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter and their ilk?

Tebow threw that last pass like a Home Depot worker throws a warped 2 x 4! But it was accurate and timely. Elway was beside himself. Fun.

My favorite team (Green Bay) is at home against a balanced N.Y. Giants team. I can't see the Packers losing at home against the Giants, but in the playoffs anything could happen.

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Guido, you're getting awfully close to one of those relationships we passed a constitutional amendment to ban a few years back. ;)

Even the ones who don't like them are committed to tolerating them.

Nonsensical remark. I am pretty much to the left, Christian and envious of the ability of football players to attract women like those^. The spectacle of Tebow is fun to watch and I don't think he flaunts his religion as much as his fanatical supporters do. Or even as much as a lot of other NFL players.

Why do you people on the right insist that liberals don't like Christians? Even the ones who don't like them are committed to tolerating them.

The greater bulk of scorn for Christians seems to come from the left, wouldn't you agree?  I've often wondered if that would have been amplified near as much if the GOP hadn't gotten so tight with the "Moral Majority" back in the 1980's.

They'd be more tolerable.

The greater bulk of scorn for Christians seems to come from the left educated, wouldn't you agree?  I've often wondered if that would have been amplified near as much if the GOP hadn't gotten so tight with the "Moral Majority" back in the 1980's.

Personally, I enjoy being a part of the a-moral minority.

The greater bulk of scorn for Christians seems to come from the left, wouldn't you agree?  I've often wondered if that would have been amplified near as much if the GOP hadn't gotten so tight with the "Moral Majority" back in the 1980's.

The greater bulk of scorn for Christians seems to come from the left, wouldn't you agree?

Most famous white Bronco since OJ.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tim-tebow-game-winning-touchdown-illegal-163812959.html


it heps to have god on your side....

Did you even bother reading the update to your own link? You really do suck sometimes.

I just took the first thread that showed up for this - it is absolutely hilarious!!

Warren Buffet is putting his money where his mouth is - especially as relates to Mitch McConnell... geez, I love it!

In fact, I will also participate in my own way at a scale I can afford.  I will pitch in $1 for each Congressman, President, and Supreme Court justice who participates in this challenge.  That could be well over $500!!  But I bet double or nothing (possibly over $1100!!!)  that I won't have to put up more than 15 or 20 bucks, at most!


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/buffett-gop-pay-211046623.html

I think you stumbled into the wrong topic, Heir.

Yep, that's what I said...just took the first unread one (only unread one) that popped up.

ESPN mentions Tebow 160 times during a single showing of Sportcenter:

http://deadspin.com/5875622/espn-broke-its-own-record-by-making-160-tim-tebow-references-in-one-hour-of-sportscenter-here-are-all-of-them

I turned it off after being forced by CBS through the Focus on Family commercial which was personally offensive.

That darned free pay speech commercial stuff proselytizer crud just happens to work both ways loser. Can you stop lobbing in the softballs truth?

Guido's getting fixed!

I turned it off after being forced by CBS through the Focus on Family commercial which was personally offensive. Watched the Thunder destroy the Knicks which was more fun. Nothing could duplicate the New Orleans 49'rs game....now that was a great game.

That darned free speech stuff just happens to work both ways loser. Can you stop lobbing in the softballs?

I turned it off after being forced by CBS through the Focus on Family commercial which was personally offensive.

You found this commercial offensive?

https://focusonthefamily.webconnex.com/free-downloads?refcd=102307

You really need to work on your tolerance of other's beliefs. I saw this commercial and all it did for me was to begin a discussion of how interesting it was that such a group would buy ads during a football telecast. They probably were gambling that Tebow's last game this year would give them more than the average Christian viewers. They are a non-profit who depends on donations to continue their work.

They are a non-profit who depends on donations to continue their work.

The sad thing is, they are exploiting Tebow who has remained rather low key about his religion. He isn't like the excited players who when interviewed manage to immediately blurt out, "First, I want to thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ for everything....blah, blah, blah." He just takes a moment for a silent prayer.

He is even exploited by his rabid internet supporters who coined the label, God's Quarterback and say that Jesus is helping him win. That truly robs the guy of any responsibility for his successes. Negates his work ethic, his hard earned running skills and his leadership. One wonders if they now have less faith in their religion since he was so thoroughly beaten. What...it was his non believer team mates that are to blame?

In American politics, the number one issue across the country is the economy. People are always looking at the unemployment and job numbers hoping that the economy continues to move in the right direction. While the economy is at the top of the list of the majority of Americans, social issues can replace the economy among many, especially religious Americans.

Whether its issues dealing with abortion and same-sex marriage or teaching creationism in public schools, social and religious issues always seem to find their way into the conversation. Many organizations have formed across the country with the clear agenda of pushing conservative ideology on the American public. One of the leading offenders is a group called "Focus on the Family." Using a catching name, Focus on the Family" hides their anti-equality bigotry with smiley children quoting from the Bible. A borderline hate group, Focus supports all the token conservative party lines, anti-choice, anti-LGBT equality and anti-science. During the AFC Divisional Playoff game on CBS between the New England Patriots and Denver Broncos, Focus ran a 30 second ad containing children reading the Bible passage, John 3:16 from the Bible.

You found this commercial offensive?

https://focusonthefamily.webconnex.com/free-downloads?refcd=102307

You really need to work on your tolerance of other's beliefs. I saw this commercial and all it did for me was to begin a discussion of how interesting it was that such a group would buy ads during a football telecast. They probably were gambling that Tebow's last game this year would give them more than the average Christian viewers. They are a non-profit who depends on donations to continue their work.

I can't get the sound to work on that link. I'll have to take your word for it that he uttered them. Is it common for him to do that?

Even so, it doesn't negate my assertion. Just means I hadn't seen him do it. Lots of people are bandwagoning on Tebow's notoriety even though others, including other quarterbacks, are just as devout or more. When the Rams won the Superbowl a few years back it was their quarterback who blurted those words. No one went off on him back then.

The next time he fails to deliver or is traded, watch them jump off the Tebow ship just as fast.

He is being exploited, that is, mined for value, by lots of people who have different motives than his simple faith. So goes the world.

Saw the Broncos lost today. Last playoff victory for Denver? Yep. Team led by:

He's a heretic.