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  Does anybody know about the progress of construction starting on the Walk at Tulsa Hills? I thought they were going to start sometime this spring but it looks like no signs have been posted up yet. I assume they are waitng for city council approval, but that should've already happened by now unless it has something to do with maybe the job market or something.

Forum search gives me this thread.  Thought it had been talked about it more recently.

New LOI's signed on this project.  Large entertainment tenant  (Dave & Busters-esque) signed yesterday.  Second Tulsa location of a regional Mexican food chain recently signed an LOI as well.  Several other national tenants close to LOI's that were waiting on the entertainment anchor to sign.

I hope it's a full size Dave and Busters!

Not a Dave & Busters.  Texas based entertainment chain.  Sort of a Incredible Pizza meets Dave & Busters.

Wild Guess:
http://barcadiabars.com/

More likely:  http://www.gattispizza.com/about_GT.php (http://www.gattispizza.com/about_GT.php)

So a germaphobe's worst nightmare.

How long ago did we have a Mr Gatti's Pizza?

Can I get into a sterile hamster ball at the door?

Indeed.
your google-foo is strong  (or you've heard of em before)

Whenever I see a new suburban development called "The ____ at ___" I imagine a big dartboard at the developer's office that they use to fill in the nouns.

Main Event would have been nice

http://www.mainevent.com/

Thanks for the update.    I knew this project was not with the original developer (Garrett Moore Company)... and is now with Parkes Development.

Second location of regional mexican food?    Chuys?   

Other national tenants that were waiting on LOI until an entertainment anchor was sign.... can you elaborate?   

RDJ..... do you know when they will make an announcement?     when will start the project???

Not real sure when it'll all be announced.  Still working to sign LOI's on other tenants, once that is done they'll go public.

And are required to throw in as many "e" 's as possible, i.e.,  "The Shoppes at Theatre Pointe"

I hope it's not Chuy's.  Chuy's and Ted's are two of my least favorite mexican restaurants, and they'd be the two they put on my side of town.

I like Chuy's, but I don't see returning to Ted's. We tried Ted's because it is close. It was good. I liked it...I liked it because it tasted exactly like El Rancho Grande. Only more expensive. I'll stick with our beloved ERG.

I really like Chuys, I'm a fan of Green Chili stuff. Plus no-one else has a Nacho car.

Ted's is a "pass" for me.

I like Chuy's as well. Ted's is pretty meh. When the first one here opened it was very good, especially their tamales. Since then it has been very hit or miss. Not a fan of inconsistency so Ted's has mostly dropped out of our rotation.

Ready for this to be announced already.   The wait is killing me.   :)

Green chile as in New Mexican style?

Something worth the drive for anyone who loves authentic New Mexican red or green chile is the Green Chile Kitchen in Yukon

http://greenchilekitchen.com/gckrt66/

Most mexican restaurants want to put red sauce or queso on everything. Chuy's has a whole list of sauces to choose from, and two of them are Green Chile sauces. You can also get Green Chile rice.

Ate at Green Chile Kitchen in Yukon today... pretty hard to beat for authentic NM green and red ;)  Will have to try Chuy's.  The only place we have in Tulsa which claims some sort of Santa Fe style cuisine is Cafe Ole'.  Their idea of green chile is a re-worked tomatillo salsa, nowhere close.

any more news????       

A piece of this development will be discussed at the Board of Adjustment today.

What was discussed exactly?   details????

The Board of Adjustment was asked to define what section of the zoning code a "Main Event" would fall under to determine how to apply zoning requirements.

when will that be known??    also, anymore details?

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FYI: This is "Main Event" - http://www.mainevent.com/

Best I could gather from being at the Dist 2 meeting on Tuesday, they want to put it at 81st & Union.

Incredible Pizza for adults. 

I would like to request that we not have my birthday party there.

Thanks.

Are there still plans to put a gym in this new shopping center?  The old link to the The Walk website appears to be gone, is there a new link to the plans, with a map of locations (stores)?

Here is the old map:
http://garrettmoorecompany.com/files/WALK_site_plan_colored_10_03_10.pdf

Thanks.  Really hope the Planet Fitness makes it there.  Or any gym, really.  That would be a very convenient location for me.

And it's super cool that the development has a clock tower.  Hopefully it doesn't get struck by lightening.

Shouldn't be an issue as long as it's less than 1.21 gigawatts.   ;D

Or an unstable person with a rifle.

Meh.....not impressed.

Would like it much more if there were a central parking garage that could be designed not to be an eyesore so that people would be forced to park there and then actually walk in The Walk at Tulsa Hills to do their shopping. There would of course need to be handicapped parking spots available near the stores, but centralized parking would be far more preferable, at least in my opinion.

We can't get parking garages downtown, hard to justify one in the back country.

This is a shopping center for people from Jenks, Glenpool, Sapulpa and West Tulsa. They would be excited about walkability as horse parking.

I don't get it.  More parking lot, more walkability, especially when it's full and you have to park in the back!  ;D

1 block of surface parking is what, $250k?
1 block of parking garage comes it at about $12M

How many stories for $12M?  How many parking spots per acre compared to surface only parking? 

Suburban malls have "free" parking built into the prices of goods bought there.  Can downtown businesses subsidize parking to attract business?  Artist?

You will get me downtown when you offer something I want that I cannot get in suburbia.  I object to paying for parking (I know there is presently free parking after hours downtown) on principal since there is no other realistic way to get downtown other than to drive but if "you" have something I  really want that I cannot get elsewhere, I'll be there.

I read once that surface spaces run about $6,000 each and structured are about $10,000 and underground is about $12,000 each.

I would say that surface at about $4-6K is reasonable depending upon the amenities and that stuctured at $10 requires good efficiencies and little appearence enchancement.

Underground is closer to $20,000, and goes up quite a bit the further underground you go.  Excavation and dewatering (if below the water table) gets expensive.

Why would a southie ever go to a place with "walk" in its name?

Seems like the The "Park" at Tulsa Hills would be a more popular name.

I believe the plans were for it to have pedestrian connections to the neighborhood.

Bet those connections will get worn out quickly from all of the foot traffic.

I think there was also a golf cart path. No bike path though. No-one bicycles anywhere.

"I eat because I'm depressed, and I'm depressed because I eat"

"Get in mah bellay!!!"

Ok, back on topic.

Is there anything planned for this "walk" portion that will spice up and salvage the collection of boxes that make up the rest of TH from being the bland mass that it is?  i.e.  is their anything "cool/ special" coming that would turn this into a little destination to attract others to visit as opposed to just some place for basic shopping and eating in the SW area of town.

Has it been totally committed/ leased or are the developers struggling to find quality tenants?  New folks would like to know the truth...thanks.

TH is like McDonalds. You only go there for speed, convenience and consistency. Those are powerful (and necessary) retail centers when those criteria apply and are met. When I have the money, the time and the patience, I go to midtown or downtown.

I'm going to have to throw in price too.
Our furnace / air conditioning filter is a 4" thick one that lasts a lot longer than the 1" think ones but the list price is about $50.  Lowe's at TH (but not the one in Bixby by us) usually has them for about $33.  Since I am often at the airport, a quick diversion to TH is not a problem.

Understood.  All of these basic centers are just catering to and meeting basic needs.  I read that TH is financially successful.  However, one could wish and hold out hope for something more than the standard fare.  I just would like to see something with a little more flare round out the development, but NBD if it dosen't happen.  

It always amazes me that developers of these centers target their proposals as upper end destination places but if and when they come to be, the offerings are no different than the typical stuff that exists elsewhere.  I guess it's just marketing, you have to create buzz and product appeal.  The new BA development will likely be more of the same and perhaps more of a challenge since most of the standard big boxes are already in relatively new spaces near by.  Developers are always closed lipped until the last minute on annoucing retailers, and they have their reasons for doing so. But, I've yet to hear of a game changing retailer signed to the BA center that will join the new theater.  

It helps that these big box guys are bonafides. They advertise well, they attract other retailers and they know about contracts. Smaller entrepreneurial types and novel concepts are risky. If we know anything about Tulsa out south it's that change and risk is anathema.

I wouldn't suggest anything entrepreneurial or risky for ST, far from it.  Just some other things that aren't everywhere else, so one might have a reason to go there if one doesn't reside in the area.  Why not a different sporting good store or home goods store per se?

I guess this is why downtown and midtown need to continue efforts for more progressive development to make Tulsa more unique.  Perhpas what developers for suburban projects here are not realizing is that in a lot of cities, 'burbs are upping their game with more creative development by incorporating more urbanism concepts (which has actually been going on for a while).  Just opting to stick with the same 60's - 90's strip center concept or throw up a box anywhere, oh well.

Anyone know.... if they are still breaking ground this month?     

Looks like Aldi will be going in.  When will this growing area of SW Tulsa get its first full service grocery store?  Will the south side of Tulsa Hills eventually have one?

http://www.tmapc.org/Documents/Agendas/05-21-14/Z-7164-SP-1.pdf (http://www.tmapc.org/Documents/Agendas/05-21-14/Z-7164-SP-1.pdf)

Nothing says "destination" shopping like Aldi.

Reasor's is just two miles away.

And Whorehouse Market is only a few miles the other direction.

True, and many people around there probably go to it (my parents do).  Eventually as new housing goes up along and west of Elwood north and south of 71st, and other housing divisions go up along and south of 81st between 75 and Elwood, there will be a need for a full service grocery in or around Tulsa Hills.  There is also a number of really nice homes/high incomes nearby along 71st west of 33rd W Ave toward Oaks Country Club (just outside Tulsa city limits in Creek County). 

The population is this part of town has already more than doubled in 5 years and will probably double again in another 5.  Tulsa Hills, easy access to 75 and the rest of the city on 71st and Jenks schools will keep the growth steady.  It won't be long before a Jenks Northwest Elem is built.

What a waste of space?   

Would be been a perfect location for Sprouts.   They have a south Tulsa location (Bixby)   Tulsa Central location (41st and Harvard)    They are about to have a East location (Broken Arrow)   What about the West side?   

I love Aldi. I shop at one every week.

I don't like Aldi, but that may be partially because the employees were massive tools when I visited. They do weird things in those stores like buy your own bags. When I went they didn't explain this, acted irritated that I didn't divine it on my own, and just tossed my stuff on a table and started checking out the next person. Didn't even give me the chance to buy a bag. We ended up just having to hug our food to the car.

“Awww come on big food hug!!!"

I wonder if the boneheads at Target still disagree.

They sell bags right below the conveyor at the register. I just take a box or two from the store while shopping and box them myself.

Did you figure out that you get your quarter back when you return the cart?

Target has added fresh food to that store, it's not exactly a full grocery store, but it's pretty close. At one point Wal-Mart was going to open a Neighborhood Market on the west side of US-75 on 81st.

That would have made more sense than the new WMM at 31st & Harvard.

I went to Aldi and bought staples, then compared the prices to the generics and store brands at Target, Walmart, and Reasors.  It really was about the same.  Aldi won on somethings, the others won on others.  I prefer to just go to one of the other stores and at least have the option of name brands that might be on sale.  People who like Aldi really like it though so they're doing something right.  Just not for me I guess.

I had heard that was where Aldi was going to build as well.  Guess not.  Maybe The Walk had trouble getting one of the health chain grocers to sign up.

Grocery selection at the 17th & Yale Target seems to be on it's death bead

Should have just allowed the Target at Tulsa Hills to be a Super Target.  Even if a high end grocer moved in they'd have different target demographics you would think.

Yep.  The story I got (from a pretty reputable source) was that Target wanted to build a Super Target.   The developer blocked it.

The fact that this is not a SuperTarget never made sense, but I guess that could be the reason.  Living in midtown that is one of the few things I have to go south to get, while one off 75 here would've been more convenient.  I can get a regular Target at 15th & Yale.

They were trying to land a real grocer, but it never came. Now that target has a food section, but it's not expansive.

They have groceries?  About the only thing I can think of there is snack food and soda.

Bread, milk, fruit, cereal, ice cream, cheese, etc.

Damn, never noticed fresh fruit at the 17th & Yale Target.  Then again Target is not a regular stop for us anymore.

The fact you missed the 200sqft "We Now have groceries" banner and complete remodel of the store lead me to such a conclusion.

Looks like they might have started moving dirt and bulldozing trees yesterday.

Ground work is fully underway, The Walk has started.

What’s next?  The Shuffle?

The parking. Lots and lots of parking.

Love me some parking

I have lived in Tulsa for eight years now. While I'm proud of the progress it's made with DT revitalization etc., it has always perplexed me that this area doesn't have a great water park ( no big splash jokes please ;). Let me scale it down a bit and ask the question: With all the hotels going up around town why can't Tulsa attract a Great Wolf Lodge type development? If not DT why not an area like The Walk? Right off the highway and close enough to I-44 (and DT)to allow easy access and visibility. Tulsa needs more options for family entertainmet IMO to keep progressing and maintain sustainability.

There was supposed to be an entertainment development going in at 81st & Union. I can't remember the name of it now, but there was some discussion here about it.

Edited to add:
Found it. http://www.mainevent.com/

I am of course biased for downtown, but just want to say that when a downtown/urban type area is done well it can be your family entertainment option.  

When I was in London for a month last fall, I seriously had more fun on an average day walking around there than I ever did at Disney World. (and I am a big Disney fan)  Multiple museums from large ones "loved the Natural History Museum" to small like tiny "pocket museums", shows, attractions of all sorts, areas with food vendors that would blow your mind, small parks, kinetic art, incredible shopping, movie theaters, flea markets, festivals, plazas with interesting activities going on, incredible sculpture, even the occasional ride like a merry-go-round, and of course the huge ferris wheel, incredible architecture (we so need to preserve what we have left) etc. etc.  I remember this last Mayfest walking around downtown from the Deco District to the Blue Dome with all the activities and people out and thinking "this should be the way it is every day and in more areas of downtown".  Real, good, urban areas can be wonderful places to visit and take the family. Those "attractions" that we are used to in our suburban style landscapes pale in comparison.  

Think of all the things we could have in our downtown (Geosciences Museum, OK Pop Museum, Tulsa Art Deco Museum, etc. and the ones we already have recently gotten) music venues, more parks with more "programming" activities of all sorts, Movie Theaters, a flea market area or two, a real arts district with lots of galleries, a great kids toy-store, bookstores, more festivals, some amusement park type features, fountains and splash pads, etc. etc. and a trolley that made the loop around inside downtown and transit to other nearby areas like Brookside and Cherry Street and the new park by the river.  Lots of free stuff to do along with the things you might have to pay for.  And of course as Walt Disney himself once said while giving a reporter a tour of the Magic Kingdom before it was finished and opened, "And wait till the main attraction gets here" he said,,, the reporter asked "What is that?"  "All the people" said Walt, despite all the wonderful things he was building, including a classic little downtown main street, the main attraction,,, lots of people.  

Hey, you can't just show up 10 days later, and post exactly what I posted above you.   >:(

One of those 'cycles' we go through.   We had a modest little amusement park (Bell's) that was run out of town a few  years ago by the County Commissioners and State Fair people.

There are a bunch of lodge opportunities within an hour or 1.5 of so...some better than others.  Might be tough to find a place with enough parking for that in downtown Tulsa....  oh, wait...

I am wondering why we don't have a fairly upscale RV park in town.  The only thing we even had out east was a KOA out at the casino world east of town and it got bulldozed for parking on the east side of the road, just north of I-44.  Go figure.  I don't really know of a location that I would consider ideal for that, but I bet the Tulsa area could support a place with at least a couple hundred spaces.   Probably more.   And before everyone jumps, yeah, I know we have a few....Warrior I think is one of the better ones - over to the west, except for no trees.  And small.  Not much out east or convenient to downtown - Mingo is trying, I think, but just can't quite get there.  Both have reasonable rates, but not exceptional facilities.

It was a joke, about the name.

I think this kind of answers the question right?  I mean best case scenario, Tulsa isn't able to attract a bunch of people pulling their big donkey campers across the country (I mean my god, Dallas, OKC and Kansas City are known for their RV parks am I right?). /sarcasm

REAL case scenario, is that people in Tulsa think this is how we attract people here in the first place and grow our tax base.

GAG

OKC has a couple of mid-scale parks that are very decent - and busy most the time.  It is on the route for Snowbirds from west (Montana) to east (Ohio and PA) down to south Texas, and back.  I think having about 6 casinos per square foot in the Tulsa area would be able to support a good mid-scale park or two.  And with the constant traffic at Cancer Treatment Centers, there could have been some ongoing business for someone.  Seasonal and temporary workers can also provide some steady business - month to month.  (Mingo park has a bunch of that business)

Not like south Texas, but something like Twin Fountains in OKC.  Biggest problem we have in missing out on that is there is no way to get in and out of Tulsa without an Oklahoma turnpike. 


Another thing that is at least mildly surprising is that no RV manufacturer exists here.  Tulsa is where the premium RV of the 40's and 50's was built (Spartan).  This was arguably one of the best travel trailers made for many years!  They got bit and put out of business by economic turmoil, but how did we miss out on that so completely?  There was a great trailer manufacturer a little north of here in Chanute, KS (NuWa) - they invented the slide out for travel trailers - but they got hammered here a few years ago.  Another is still in business in KS, Excel in Smith Center.  It is a brutal business, but if we had the expertise, technology, and workforce to do that then, why can't we do it now?  (Rhetorical question....)  It all went to Elkhart and Goshen, IN.  Go figure.....


We don't attract people (also known as companies now) from outside because of all the stupid stuff we do to actively discourage them from coming here...  Unless people move to a job at an existing company, they just aren't gonna get here.  And so many come for that job, then when retire or lose the job, or get another elsewhere - move away again.

You forgot Newell which has been built in Miami, Ok. for years.

And then there was one in Pryor - was part of Newell, then got bought out by Featherlite and made Prevost - I think mostly did finish work there....have a friend that worked there.  Then moved that out, I guess back to VA....

From what I have seen, it is one of the toughest businesses to succeed in.  All the mfrs who made decent equipment are gone now, except for Excel.  It was a very short list to start, and now even shorter!  There were Teton Homes, NuWa, ....that's about it - what's left is big on glossy and short on substance!

And just to clarify/qualify, I am talking about RV trailers of all kinds, not the big mega mansion rolling home buses like Prevost.  They and Anderson are both pretty good, but way out of reach of real people.

One of my clients had a huge garage for her RV trailer complete with wrought iron over the giant doorway and floor made to look like aged Tuscan tile work.  Inside the trailer itself had white marble floors and crystal chandeliers.  Pretty swanky digs for those cross country road trips when headed out to visit one of your other homes or yachts.   We never could quite settle on what kind of mural/artwork would look best on the walls and ceilings in that garage.

This is what J. Paul Getty started here in town....the company using the expertise they developed in building training planes in WWII.
https://www.google.com/search?q=spartan+trailer&client=firefox-a&hs=QT0&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=d2vNU-24DYSZyASwxoHIBQ&ved=0CB4QsAQ&biw=1410&bih=707


This has always been one of my favorites...everything about the restoration just works well.
http://www.vintage-vacations.com/46_manor_frnt_kit.htm


This one got wet, and they dried it on 'high'....
http://repairingyesterdaystrailers.yuku.com/topic/148#.U81sO7Fgvuc

There is an article in TW today that a Main Event Entertainment is to be built at 81st and Santa Fe. 
Unable to post from my phone but according to the article, Main Event touts itself as "the fastest growing family entertainment chain in America". They offer bowling, multilevel laser tag, billiards, restaurants, arcades and a ropes obstacle course. Definitely a plus for that area and Tulsa. I thought a Dave & Busters ( larger model with billiards etc.) would have been a good fit as well.

The address they give is 7830 S Santa Fe. That has to be the dirt work that's going on west of 75 and north of 81st by the new apartment complexes. It's not in "The Walk".

Not my scene but I bet it'll do well.  Always nice to see expanding franchises like this moving into Tulsa. 

(http://i1.wp.com/entertainmentnutz.com/post/wp-content/plugins/rss-poster/cache/442c0_53cf2b4d487d0.preview-300.jpg?w=300)

There is some kind of kid's entertainment thing going in at about 121st and south Memorial...big building, behind a bank.

Giddy up!! :D ;D ;D

Interesting.  People have got a viable business I suppose.  But looking at it, it all looks so bland and uninspired.  Is it that this is the best that people can get here so they go or is it that the people themselves are bland and uninspired and think this is fine? (course it is in suburbia so seems to go with the territory) I think there is a need and a market for family fun entertainment in Tulsa so I suppose this is filling the vacuum somewhat. Most likely take a local person to do something other than cookie cutter blah. Oh well, still leaves that door open for someone to do something nice and make some bucks. But egads, who would still want to go to something that looks so bland and not end up in a mental ward the day after?  It's like something out of some strange future where everything is stark, plain, stripped down to boring formulaics, and mind numbingly depressing.  Not what entertainment is supposed to be like for goodness sakes.  Guess if your used to sitting around in a car all day versus walking around in a real city, this is indeed entertaining in comparison.

You are only seeing with your perspective. You are single and have no children.

I have young children who have young friends who like to play laser tag, bowl, and eat pizza. I think the concept is sound. Especially in the Jenks area.

I will give them a chance.

There's a place in Moore called "Double Daves" - all those things.  I sail by once in a while and stop for pizza...ALWAYS busy!  They are adding a LARGE addition to it - triple the size - now.  So it must be very sound business model...

I agree with the Artist that the drawings seemed uninspiring.

It is just that we don't always pick out dinner nor entertainment based on architecture nor ambiance.

Are there renderings somewhere? What was in the paper seems to be a photo of an existing location. Hopefully they can do better.

 Oh, I am not saying that it won't work.  It will probably do quite well.  Sadly enough.

It's kind of the competition thing.  If we had better, it wouldn't do as well.  What's sad about it is that we don't have better.

Looks OK
http://www.mainevent.com/play

It's not going to take business from downtown so I don't really care.  We already have a unique bowling alley downtown.  Now we just need an Alamo Drafthouse or similar concept.

Any info on that? I'm guessing it hasn't started as I drove by there last weekend and didn't see any dirt work or other activity indicating something was going in. I keep hearing that spot is a likely location for Gander Mountain. Take that with a grain of salt, but someone in the wife's family who has connections in Bixby says it is in the works for that area. Seems a bit out of place to me, but would be interesting to see a Bass Pro competitor move in.

Your kidding.

On the scale of good, "OK" is somewhere above "meh"

The laser tag looks OK (if not better than our existing venue)
the arcade looks OK (if not better than our existing venues)
bowling looks on par with Andy Bs
rock climbing wall looks better than...  Tulsa doesn't have one outside of gyms
mini golf looks cheesy, but beats Tulsa's other indoor mini golf options
billiards looks a bit open and sterile, but perhaps more family friendly than Magoos
Karaoke:  more inline with what you'd find in Japan..   private room for you and your friends

I haven't visited Tulsa's Dave & Busters (heard it was lame, and much smaller than their other locations, haven't bothered checking it out), so I can't compare the photos with it.   How does it compare?

I don't understand the criticism of this new business. Its at 81st & Elwood for gawd's sake. Not the center of architectural greatness and a common sense location for a suburban indoor playground of sorts. Lots of young nearby. Lots of income. Lots of shopping and of course the vaunted Jenks school system. What am I missing? Why wouldn't they locate there and why would anyone expect it to be any different in style and substance than the rest of suburbia?

It did seem strange they would refer to it as a West Tulsa location rather than SouthWest or Jenks but I am happy that they chose to open up in Tulsa period.

It's not a world class bowling destination so I refuse to enjoy it.

I think of myself as being pretty good at being understanding of peoples differences and all, but, I would walk into that place and my mind would shut down and collapse in on itself, and find it hard to imagine how others would not feel the same way.

Look at the Arcade pictures for example.  The entrance to the place where you can pick out a prize, I assume.  It's red, with a slight arch in the middle and in a boring font says "Winners Choice".  That's it, no other imagery or ornamentation, just boring blah.  Then there is a big yellow box to the right and just to the far right a little something interesting looking.  Boring floor too.  Then there appears to be a climbing structure over some game tables. 3 colors and that's it. Nothing around it to make it interesting or themed, to spark ones imagination, create a sense of wonder, etc.

The Bowling alley. OMG, what is that? How could you be in that space for more than a few minutes and not go crazy? OMG! If I have to explain this one to you, you have problems.  Eat Bowl Play in white lettering over and over and over.  How could you look at that for an hour or so or however long it takes to bowl and not be bored out of your wits? I would have to consciously pull my eyes away from it and try not to look lest I perhaps get stuck there in a stupor staring at it with my mouth hanging open and drooling as it sucks the last bit of consciousness from my mind. I couldn't do it.  I am sorry. I would just have to tell my family or friends "I am outta here, I can't handle this." Perhaps I could find something better to entertain my visual senses with, like picking gum off the bottom of my shoes?

Now the Arcade is decent I will give them that. Getting there with that one.

Purple glowing lights.      Eat Bowl Play

Purple glowing lights

Eat
Bowl
Plaaaaay

Puuuuuuuurple glowing liiiiiiiights……………


Eat


Bowl


Plaaaaaay.

AAAAAAAUGH!  See it's already happening. :o

Incredible Pizza is successful

Ha.  That's immediately what I thought of.

Trust me..  your mind does shut down and you go into convulsions
I've been there a couple times, but it's been quite a while (thank goodness)
My son is almost 3 yrs old...  luckily we haven't had to deal with Chuck-E-Cheese or Inedible Pizza yet.

Supposedly "Main Event" is geared more towards adults.  Hopefully it's a bit calmer, quieter, and less cattle trough buffet

Have to say I'm with Artist.   I can't stand these kind of places.  Thankfully the youngest is finally out of the Incredible Pizza stage. 

I did notice that they have bocce.  Not that I want to go there to play it, but I was at a bar somewhere (Chicago or Minneapolis, I think, but not sure) that had several bocce courts on the roof.  Natural grass, very nice.  They had leagues, and when the leagues weren't playing the waiting list was pretty long to get on the courts.  Tons of people drinking and watching the matches.  I think that would go over well in Tulsa at a bar downtown as well.  (I know it can get hot in the Summer, but with some strategically placed umbrellas and the like, I'd think it could for the most part be made tolerable.

 

Isn't there a bocce court at Guthrie Green?

Artist I get those feelings whenever I venture past the midtown area to deep southern suburbia. But each to his own and their tax receipts all  spend the same.  You did make me laugh. I remember taking my kids to such places. Celebration station comes to mind.

Yes.

Artist, it’s not my thing either but when you have kids, you end up doing kid things with your kids. 

Or you simply ignore them, allow their teachers to raise them and pretty soon they are hi-jacking five hour energy from QT and going on seven state killing sprees.  :o

I occasionally take my kids to Dave and Busters. You all should try it sometime.

My wife and I sit in the restaurant. It is nice, clean, not too loud and has a good menu pretty much on par with a Chili's. We each usually buy a $17 entree that come with a ten dollar game card. Right now they also have a special of $40 in game play for $20. Dinner with all that and drinks, tip, etc. is around $80.

We have a nice dinner, the kids check in every once in a while and eat our french fries while we talk. They also have TVs all over to catch the game if our conversation is boring.

The game rooms are spectacular. They really have the state of the art in video game technology. Some of the games may cost $1 or $2 to play but many are just a quarter. My kids have a rule that I if pay for the games, the tickets paid out have to given away to some other kid. The junk in the redemption shop is odd stuffed animals and candy. I did play games once and won enough tickets to buy a DandB shot glass.

I have been to the other locations. We sometimes have hours to kill with a whole soccer team in some regional city and it is fun to get the kids minds off of soccer and the parents a chance to socialize.

I like that this is in Tulsa - continuing the sales tax moat being built on Tulsa's southwest perimeter.  If only we had done the same on Tulsa's southeast border wtih Broken Arrow years ago.....

D&B is hands-down better than Incredible Pizza.   We do go there some.

Also, did not realize there is a bocce court at Guthrie Green.  I'll have to put the bocce set in the car the next time we head that way.

Yep, right next to Lucky's.  I also seem to remember Dilly Deli having Bocce on their patio, but I'm not sure if it is still there.

They removed it and replaced it with miniature houses.  We love taking our daughter there and she has fun.  Much more enjoyable than a Chuck E Cheese or Main Event nightmare.

Sounds like you have been hanging around here too long - starting to develop my bad attitude!!   

We went to Dave and Busters tonight. I spent $60 on three meals and three $10 play cards.

My son figured out the timing on some ball game and got enough tickets to get a blender. I played an electronic trivia game against six other adults and got enough tickets to buy four beer steins. My daughter spent all her card on skee ball and bought candy with her tickets.

I say we got our money's worth.

Anybody know for sure what gym is suppose to move in here?  Planet Fitness, correct?

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/realestate/new-upscale-outlet-mall-planned-for-west-tulsa/article_d0d515f2-2a8c-5a73-bcc6-45b82337244e.html

I suspect this is off the NE corner of 61st & Hwy 75 where they cleared off quite a bit of land last year.  I hate to see pristine wilderness disappear like this.

Wow. Big news. Worth it's own thread.

Agreed. This is super and totally serial.

"Upscale" outlets!  Woo Hooo!  5% off $150 jeans!

yup.  oxymoronic.   we couldn't sell this the first time around..   let's try selling it in an "outlet"

I'd rather someone put some effort into Promenade mall.

Upscale just means nicer stores.  They will still have some pretty good discounts.  It just means you might see a Coach store, instead of a Discount Handbags store.

I’ve never noticed great discounts at outlet stores, then again, I’m not a frequent shopper.  Maybe I’ve just missed them when I’ve strolled through.

They also manufacture second rate products just for the outlets. It’s like looking at Nike shoes at Dick’s vs Shoe Carnival, they may both stock Nike shoes, but they don’t stock  the same actual shoes at all, the Shoe Carnival stuff are just Nike branded knockoffs. I do this all the time with my son when I don’t want to spend $125 on a pair of shoes that he will outgrow in four months. I make him go to the discount places but the shoes are never really the right thing and he’s never happy with what he finds there.

Anymore, we skip the discount stores, look at what Dick’s has and he find the $125 shoe he wants and then I buy that exact shoe for 30% off online somewhere. A couple of weeks ago I did that with him, and we found the shoes he wanted at Dicks and then found them for cheaper online and had them shipped.  The online store where we found the shoes with a price I was ok with paying? Dicks, with free shipping.

I bought my wife a knockoff Coach purse. It was a "Couch" purse.

It looked great and matched the living room furniture.

That’s awesome!  As a bonus, the city and state still get their sales tax from Dick's.

I’ve read or been told before that brand name detergents have several formulas.  The one they sell to deep discounters has more filler and less soap and surfactants.

Was there a potato in it?

Interesting.

So you can buy the same 128 ounces or whatever of detergent but the fill line on the cup is different because of the amount of filler?  I have also heard but never verified that Wal-Mart has special sizes of products that are slightly smaller than what is offered to other stores so that they can sell items at a seemingly even lower price.

Shenanigans, I say, shenanigans!

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Carmike Cinema, Chuy's, Gander Mtn. and more for The Walk at Tulsa Hills

Developers for the long-delayed Walk at Tulsa Hills, a $32.5 million, 155,000 square-foot retail center under construction south of Tulsa Hills at 81st Street and U.S. 75, announced a slew of upcoming tenants at the development's official groundbreaking Wednesday.

They include a 12-screen Carmike Cinema, Chuy's Mexican restaurant, a 45,000 square-foot Gander Mtn. outdoor store, a Mathis Brothers Sleep Center, an Aldi grocery and a Freddie's Frozen Custard and Steakburgers were all announced by Gary Parkes, executive vice president of developer Parkes Development Group.

Parkes said the center is now 90 percent occupied, though the additional tenants would be announced at a later date.

Construction of the freestanding Gander Mtn. would begin first in the upcoming weeks with an expected completion date of spring 2015, Parkes said. The rest of the center will follow shortly behind, with other tenants opening up through the spring, summer and fall.

The Walk at Tulsa Hills has no relation to Tulsa Hills, the bulk of which is owned by Inland American Real Estate Trust of Oak Brook, Illinois.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/realestate/carmike-cinema-chuy-s-gander-mtn-and-more-for-the/article_08c873f5-8e8f-5278-96af-732260108764.html

I like some Chuy's. Creamy jalapeno sauce ftw.

Nice.  Two of my least favorite mexican restaurants on that side of town (Ted's and Chuy's).

A nice bbq place, maybe an Oklahoma Joe's, would have been nice too.  Or bring back the old El Paso bbq restaurant that was at 81st(?) and Harvard several years back.

And no gym?

Oh well, guess I'm just gonna stay fat.

I generally find one Mexican joint indistinguishable from another.  That said, Chuy's = good, Teds = Bad.

We will never run into each other in a restaurant.

El Paso was lousy barbecue.  Rib Crib does better BBQ than that.

+1

EL Paso was proud of their BBQ quesadillas. Really.

Aaaannnnd, last I checked, El Paso BBQ is still pushing up daisies.

As far as what I’d like to see?  I think Savastano’s could do great with a location on the west side 75 corridor.  That’s some seriously crave-able pizza and the salad bar is always fresh.

I agree. From what I can tell...the outlet mall would impact some trails (and wildlife) along the west side of Turkey Mtn...not to mention adding massive traffic noise and trash. What's to become of 61st and Elwood Ave? Can we expect widening? As an active trail user I'm very saddened by this proposal.

Savastano's? Gross. We can no longer be friends.  ;)

Gross? Srsly?

Love those cheesy gooey pies and their home made sausage!  It’s something we only do about once or twice a year though.  Other one I love is Andolini’s. 

How can you not like Chuy's

+1 for Chuy's  not excellent, but solid tex mex and good margaritas.  But I've got tons of memories from my single Dallas days at Chuy's happy hour, so maybe that clouds my judgement.

It only took one visit. Randy and I both did not like it. I like Andolini's, and Marley's is really good.

Did you get the deep pan or thin crust at Savastano's? 

Still have not tried Marley’s.  Must remember that.

Don't know, but I don't.

Not tex-mex enough for my simple pallet, maybe?  And if I recall, their salsa was terrible.  If you are a mexican restaurant, and I don't like your salsa, I don't go back.

Marley's is pretty good but is not anywhere where close to as good as Savistano's.

Despite being from Austin, Chuy's has a lot New Mexican along with the Tex-Mex style food, that's what I prefer there. They have more than one salsa, maybe try another one?

We were with another couple and got one thin, one deep. We all had pretty much the same opinion. Service sucked too.

Wow, that just hasn’t been our experience at all, interesting.

Shows the value of consistency in food and service. One bad night can lose a new customer forever.

I know a handful of people that once preferred Savastano's but now prefer Marleys.
combination of service n quality

Most people that complain about Savistano's service simply don't get that a real Chicago style pizza can't be cooked in 15 minutes. It take a long time, 45+ minutes.

At Due's in Chicago you wait in line and when your wait is down to about an hour they take your order and it's ready when you finally get a table and sit down.

I don’t think we’ve ever waited that long for a pie there.  It’s usually out not terribly long after we finish our salads.  I’m guessing +/- 25 minutes I’ve never thought to time it before.

Correct.  I think that’s what tanked The Alley.  They were getting really inconsistent, especially with their daily specials.  Any of the daily menu items was almost always spot-on.

There’s been a few places MC and I have gone the first time and said: “Never again.”  We will give most places a second chance, there are simply some who didn’t earn that chance.

They are going to another Chicago style place. If Marleys can get it done in 30 and Savastano's takes an hour, it's not the pizza's fault.

If anyone ever wants to get a frame of reference for Mexican - take the short trip up to Claremore and try El Charro.  That will give one an appreciation for ALL the local Tulsa Mexican restaurants!  I'm betting even Taco Mayo would taste good in following years.....

It's all about the perspective!

Heard a good one tonight, (loosely paraphrasing) “If it doesn’t give me gastric distress for a few days, it’s NOT real Mexican!”

If the fellow who shared this with me cares to expand on it or correct for errors, feel free.

Not a fan of Chuy's.  Everything is served too hot and overly spicy in my opinion.

That said, everybody has an opinion on what is good Mexican food and what Mexican food really is.

Exactly.  I'm sure I will lose all food credibility around here after this comment, but I LOVE El Chico.  Their food just sits right with me, and what I like. 

If that is your opinion, then go here and don't go to a real mexican restaurants again.   ;D
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Our new go to Mexican place is in the Farm shopping center.

Mamasota's.

http://mamasotastulsa.com/

Super nice guys and really good food.  Still have not visited the new location.

Yes.  Owned by neighbors of mine.  I understand they've done very well in the new location.

My favorite Mexican food in town is Tacos El Rinconcito at 47th & Braden (NE of 51st & Yale).  Some of the best tacos you'll ever eat and I love their refried beans.  If you're looking for more of a restaurant and enjoy a margarita kind of place I like Tres Amigos about 82nd & Lewis.

One of the owners is an occasional poster on here: “Hometown”.

I suspect the restaurant is one reason he doesn’t take time to post here anymore.

Really??   Haven't heard from him or seen him post in a long time.  Maybe other, less contentious areas of the board.

Mamasota's has the look just right - time for a road trip to the Farm!!

Yes, he hasn't posted in a long time.

My family had a rather disappointing experience.
Later learned that we were apparently customer #5 or something.   We had no idea we'd shown up for their very first lunch service.   We'll be giving them another chance.

The stuff on their web site looks very good...if they only deliver "75%" it will be a win for me!

And Ronnie was a nice guy - probably hasn't changed that much....

Does anybody know what is going on at the Southwest corner of 81st and HW75?  They cleared the land, and it appears that the company building Main Event is possibly using it as a staging area for their equipment and trailers, but they sure did a lot of dirt work if that's all it is being used for.

Was just curious if anybody had heard anything.

People and service were great.  Food was mostly good, with just a couple disappointments - "ranch style" beans, both refried and pinto.  Spanish rice was just like everyone elses'.  I like the salsa a lot!  And the chips!

It's the new corporate headquarters for Unit Drilling.

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=20064.0

Thanks.  I missed that.

So far... there are the following for Walk in Tulsa Hills....

Carmike Cinema, Chuy’s Mexican restaurant, Gander Mountain outdoor store, a Mathis Brothers Sleep Center, an Aldi grocery and a Freddie’s Frozen Custard


What else is coming?    Any rumors?   

Well that's all very underwhelming.

If that is "development" we just need to forget the whole thing....  Gander might be interesting.  The rest....well, just more of the same.  Ho, hum!

Chuy's green chili sauce is the only thing there to be excited about.

Yes, Yes, I am disappointed just like everyone else.   There still some spots left... so I thought someone may have heard of something coming in ???

Carmike will be a good thing since it sounds like RiverWalk Movies is on the way out and it is the only theater in the area.

Its South Tulsa, what did you expect?  The list is actually better than I would have expected.  Chuy's is a better than an Applebees or Chilis, which is already at Tulsa Hills.

I was expecting something more Utica Square like. Wasn't there talk of this development being that sort of thing when it all started?

I would just be happier to see something with unique offerings. While Gander is nice to see, the rest of that I'm hearing is pretty ho hum. Honestly if we are going to get a bland development I would have rather seen this be the spot for an outlet mall. At least that is bland in a different way.

Whole lot better than the proposed tract two miles to the north.

I recall the Tulsa Hills people were talking about phase 2 being like Utica, with a Whole Foods, upscale hotel, etc. What we got was Sams, Jiffy Lube, Discount Tires and Teds.

Yeah, the Utica Square Jiffy Lube is so much more quaint and pedestrian friendly.  The lubers are so snooty though.

Yes, there was.  But, That was under the original developer.  The developer changes to Parkes Development out of Tennessee. 

What development more than 50,000 ft hasn't said it was the next Utica Square in the last however many years?  Hell, the strip mall developments in OKC do it.  Classen Curve was supposed to be the new modern Utica Sq.

My personal favorite was the Super Target development at 101st and Memorial as the next Utica.  One mediocre stacked stone strip center, three cell phone stores, a discount mattress store and Radio Shack fronting a Super Target and a car dealership.

Solid.

That was the one Inteller was going to sue over.

Yeah, they always say it but it never turns out that way.  Classen Curve isn't as bad as suburban strip malls, but it's not in the suburbs.  Nothing south of I-44 is going to be anything other than suburban strip malls except that some might use fancier looking materials and maybe with a restaurant that uses the word "Wine Bar" to make it feel upscale when it's not.

He was going to force the city to turn his neighborhood into a gated community because the development didn't meet the high standards of all the car lots on that part of Memorial. That was so much fun.

That brings back the memories of the time I was a guest of a client at the Bixby Chamber of Commerce monthly luncheon.  They had a former local politician turned "retail attraction consultant" at the podium encouraging Bixby residents to strip up trouble among Tulsans about that Super Target aka Bumgarner development.  They wanted it to be on the other side of the street so the sales tax would go to Bixby.

No gym here, as of now?

That makes me sad.  And fat.   :-\

If I think about the Site Plan.... I don't think there is enough room available now for a gym.   

Walking is good exercise.  I am sure "The Walk at Tulsa Hills" is a wonderful, exciting, and engaging place to walk, with lots of interesting architecture to look at, good people watching, great surprising things to discover around every corner, sidewalk cafe's full of people, markets, flower and food stalls, imaginative and beautiful window displays, live music, people enjoying the parks, museums, public art, fountains, etc. etc. I bet you can just walk for miles and miles before you even realize it.

Oh, wait, thats what you find everyday walking in a real city, not in suburban sprawl.  So sorry, was mislead for a moment by the name of the place.   

Any new maps of the layout?  Where it appears they are building stuff, I don't think that fit the layout of any of the previous plans I saw.  Thinking that amphitheater and stream are going to be tiny.

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Is that Texas Roadhouse confirmed?

I got this from Loopnet, so I would assume so.

That looks so sad

Where will people park?

I think this should be called the "The Trek at Tulsa Hills"

I'm all for walkability and good planning. I'm also all for a second Chuy's that I may be able to get into in under an hour on a friday.

Just think of the great opportunity we missed on Turkey Mountain! 

According to Loopnet they are putting a Top That-like place in called Blaze Pizza:
http://www.blazepizza.com

Disappointing Development.   

that amphitheater and stream were part of the old developer's plans.   The current developer (Parkes Development) took that out. 

Also looks like the housing project was built in such a way to nix all of the sidewalks between the neighborhood and shopping center.

Ah, should be the "Drive & Walk at Tulsa Hills".

South Tulsa loves South Tulsa style development.  It is what it is.

They could have at least had the decency to give it a new name when they totally reformatted it.  ;-)

The Parking Lots at Tulsa Hills

I reviewed a proposed lease for someone who was considering putting in a store at “The Walk.”  Not only were the lease terms onerous with steep rent escalaters, etc., the lease was  non-negotiable on a take-it or leave-it basis.  Maybe the national chains have enough leverage to get better terms.  If not, I expect to see a decent amount of churn in this property as it will be very difficult for many to make it after the first few automatic rent increases.

I’ve never shopped at Gander Mountain and maybe it is so awesome I will change my mind, but I don’t see a single thing here that would draw me from mid-town to this center.

Color me disappointed.

There is some good.  The Texas Roadhouse.  Finally a decent steak place on this side of town.  The theater will do well.  Other than that, I think they missed the boat.

I know the amphitheater and stream aren't a bit deal, but it would break up the concrete jungle a bit.  Too many other things appear to be duplicates of businesses we already have near buy, or similar businesses.  I think they REALLY missed the boat with not putting a nice gym in there.  Nothing on this side of town.  You'd draw from Jenks, Glenpool, West Tulsa, and Sapulpa if there was a gym there.

Oh well.  I can't read that map, what are the smaller businesses?

Most of Chuy's menu is average or slightly above average, but there are some things they do really well, especially New Mexico style green pepper dishes.  I'll probably eat there every now and then.  I'll probably also use that theater if its nice since it's pretty accessible for me.  I still think an Alamo Drafthouse downtown would make a killing.  If only I had the net worth to push for a franchise.

I can't care enough to make those out either.  I'm guessing one or two cell phone stores and a nail place.

I'm pretty sure the Creamy Jalapeno Dip is laced with Crack

Agreed.  Good stuff.

Massage Envy and the pizza place I linked earlier.

The Total Waste of Space @ Tulsa Hills

Walk to your car @ Tulsa Hills

Drive box to box @ Tulsa slight elevation increase.

In Tulsa, Hills are mountains so slight elevation increases are hills.

And Deweys are mayors. Touche.

The Shoppes at Tulsa Drives

Stop being so mean guys, they have the name correct... they just have to abbreviate it to fit onto signs and in general conversation. The full name is:

"[There is way more asphalt than we anticipate every really needing so there will never be a requirement or really the ability ditch the car and enjoy] The Walk at Tulsa Hills."

http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/texas-roadhouse-could-come-tulsa-hills/nnLbx/

Could?

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/realestate/walk-at-tulsa-hills-to-get-more-tenants-before-completion/article_6d522cb2-0570-5138-a632-f34fcb51ff79.html (http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/realestate/walk-at-tulsa-hills-to-get-more-tenants-before-completion/article_6d522cb2-0570-5138-a632-f34fcb51ff79.html)

Two things...

"the BigD room"...really?  What kind of theater is this?

also...they've "run out of room."  They could develop some of the parking lots.

Doesn't the downtown theater already have a Big D room?

#couldntpassitup
#sometimesIm12

Sarah Kobos had a great piece on wasted space as "parking." I drove by the 71st corridor, the Warren Theater, and Tulsa Hills on Black Friday. Warren Theater had a parking lot that was 75% full, and led the pack. Most parking lots were 60% full, including Tulsa Hills. If you aren't full on Black Friday, then when would you possibly need all that parking?

A few days later ran into someone who was out shopping at Tulsa Hills and complained about parking - when I asked what they meant, she said that when she was going from Target to Dicks' sporting goods she had to park so far away she "may as well have just left my car at Target." The Target and Dick's are two doors down from each other... she also drove to Best Buy and then a lunch place, all at "the Walk."  But somehow she manages to walk all around Woodland Hills Mall?

I try to avoid Tulsa Hills at all costs during peak shopping times, that place has one of the very worst traffic flow designs I’ve ever seen.

Not to disturb a good rant but... The Target and Dick's are in "Tulsa Hills" and "the Walk at Tulsa Hills" is where Gander Mountain and Chuy's are located in an adjacent development to the South of 81st Street.  I these areas regularly and while there are open parking issues in portions of the original Tulsa Hills I would rate it's peak parking occupancy with the exception of Target at close to 80% utilization.  That center is also obviously designed so that there can be later infill development along Olympia Ave should the mega stores (Target) release some parking.  From my perspective on TH, the biggest issue I see is traffic access getting back onto Olympia which I predict will require additional signalizations.  

With respect to The Walk at TH, the center is not yet fully built out and operational so I'll hold my parking opinion at least until the theater open after the first of the year but note that the Freddie's and Chuy's lots are often quite full (with staff parking on a temp lot) as was the Alde's this past Sunday afternoon.


 

Hey!

Don't let your "facts" get in the way of my rant!  ;D

Sadly, every square foot is designed for cars, not people.  So, even if you're going from one store to another, you will probably get in your car and drive to an adjacent parking area.  The massive scale of the stores, access roads, and parking lots create a bleak landscape that is unwelcoming to actual humans.  There is no incentive, either through scale or design, to encourage exploration on foot. In fact, pedestrians are punished by the long distances they have to traverse to reach another destination, and the asphalt moonscapes that define the environment.  You know the design is bad for people when walking is unpleasant and uncomfortable. Sad that our TIF incentives don't require something better for humans or the planet.

Which is really bad for a place totally dependent on automobile traffic.  I really don't like being forced to drive up to the store fronts to get to a parking place.  I'd rather park a distance out and then walk to the store.  I hate door dings.

I’m the same way.  My car doesn’t have any door dings as a result.  That still didn’t keep a rogue shopping cart some assclown who also parked out in  no-door-ding-land at Lowe’s from finding my rear quarter panel.  Nothing major, but it irritates the crap out of me when I see that ding over the rear wheel well.

Of the auto-centric shopping centers I've been too... I've been in several in texas this week, Tulsa Hills is by far the best traffic design. Large arterial for ingress/egress of the center, secondary roads running in front of the stores, moderate amount of stoplights, protected left turn lanes. It takes me 15 minutes to make it to a store across the street or even next door in Texas.

Are you counting Olympia as a large arterial or the secondary? 

What I detest most about Tulsa Hills is being forced to drive past the store fronts to get to parking.  I almost never park close-in.  A path through the parking, even with jogs to keep speed down, would be better than funneling everyone right in front of the stores.  If Tulsa Hills area gets developed as much as Woodland Hills area, people will hate Tulsa Hills to and move on to the next installment.  Remember, Woodland Hills was started almost 40 years ago.

Is there not going to be a Texas Roadhouse at The Walk?

It's 5 lanes, so Arterial.

Supposed to go behind Chuy's

Traffic at the 81st interchange is already so much fun.  Texas Roadhouse and a movie theater are going to render 81st unusable.

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who eats at Texas Roadhouse? 

I do. Their CFS is one of the best in the state, just unfortunately it's from a chain restaurant.

Also, they consider Chili a vegetable.

Darn good steaks for a chain.

The article above didn't name it, or did I miss it?

What do we know up to this point? Anyone have a list of what will be going in at The Walk?

La Madeleine has a coming soon sign next to Growlers USA.