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Title: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: EricGarcia on April 09, 2011, 11:18:03 pm
With the TIF district from FlightSafety, there will be money set aside for downtown revitalization in Broken Arrow.  The first restaurant to take part in the TIF money is Jason Scarpa's Main Street Tavern.  It will be opening soon at 200 S. Main Street.  

Here is a recent Tulsa World article:

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Aiming for a classic

SUSAN HYLTON World Staff Writer
Monday, January 24, 2011
1/24/2011 5:32:33 AM

BROKEN ARROW - The City of Broken Arrow has awarded the first in a series of economic development incentives it plans to offer entrepreneurs who set up shop on Main Street.

Jason Scarpa is receiving $20,000 through the Broken Arrow Economic Development Authority to help offset costs to construct "a classic American neighborhood tavern."

Scarpa will call his place Main Street Tavern and hopes to open at the end of March at 200 S. Main St.

"I want to co-brand it with the arts and entertainment district," Scarpa said of the name of the tavern located in Broken Arrow's burgeoning arts and entertainment district that officials hope to title soon. "I'm just really excited about the potential for Main Street."

Scarpa said the city's willingness to work with him was a great incentive.

"For me, the cost of turning this 107-year-old building into a modern-day restaurant was prohibitive," he said.

Scarpa said his 100-seat tavern will have a full bar offering 28 beers on tap, a large selection of wines and craft beers along with high-quality food served at lunch, dinner and late nights seven days a week.

Scarpa left the corporate world to do something he always wanted to do: own his own business.

Moving to Oklahoma came in a roundabout way.

He's originally from Philadelphia and met his wife in Atlanta where he worked for IBM in sales, information technology and computer programming.

His wife, Kat Scarpa, has Oklahoma roots, hailing from a farm north of Enid and attending Claremore High School.

When talk came up of moving back to Oklahoma to raise two small children, Scarpa said he would do it if he could pursue his business dreams.

"I figured I better do it now or I might not get the chance (again)," Scarpa said.

As a result, it's been a joint effort. Scarpa is putting his business background to work and his wife is doing the architectural and interior design of the corner space that is one of Main Street's original and most striking buildings.

Originally, it was a bank. Later, it became Quigg Drug then Ross Drug Store. Most recently, it was a dress shop.

Realtor Larry Pennington said a yoga studio is going to move in on the second floor, which some may remember used to be where the Masonic Lodge met. Glamour Gowns and More will be in the space adjacent to the tavern.

Scarpa is leasing from Roy Sturgeon, who has renovated the brick structure, leaving its large, arched windows intact.

Construction work inside is under way, but the basic form is there: lots of dark woodwork, brick walls, high tin ceilings and exposed ductwork.

Scarpa said the 30-foot bar will be the focal point of the tavern, surrounded by high-top tables and large, cozy booths.

"I just want this place to have a neighborhood feel to it," Scarpa said.

Feedback from other Main Street merchants has been positive.

Scarpa introduced himself Friday to chocolatier Christine Joseph, whose shop Nouveau - Atelier de Chocolat is across the street.

"I'm personally very excited you're doing this. It will be nice to have more people around," Joseph said.

The city will have about $6 million through a tax-increment financing district approved last year to put into infrastructure, recruitment and incentives, and updates to the downtown landscape.

A TIF is a public financing method that diverts new property tax dollars created within the TIF district to pay for public improvements over a specific period of time.

Officials expect that to spur $3 million to $8 million in private investment, which would help revitalize the area.

"We believe this will be a tremendous addition to the city," Broken Arrow City Manager David Wooden said last week.
 


Main Street Tavern also has a Facebook page.  
http://www.facebook.com/MainStreetTavernBA (http://www.facebook.com/MainStreetTavernBA)

KTUL did a feature on downtown last night:

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Broken Arrow's Main St. has a number of shops and restaurants, but  there's no night life.  City's leaders envision the area looking something like Tulsa's Blue Dome District.

Main Street Tavern is the first to buy into the dream.  It will be the only place in Downtown Broken Arrow that will stay open until 2am, but  BA's banking on others to follow. "We want it to be an arts and entertainment district," Jill Norman told News Channel 8.  She's the chair Broken Arrow's Downtown Advisory Board.  She says district would be destination spot after catching a show at the performing arts center or to hang out with friends.

Right now, BA's downtown mainly catering to the lunch crowd.  The owners of Back Creek Deli and Gifts say it's the only thing that's worked for them.  "We have tried in the past to do evening hours and it did not work for us. It cost us more to stay open that time than we were making," Becky Roller said.  The creation of a tax district will funnel money toward businesses like the tavern in hopes of increasing foot traffic.  The downtown advisory board also wants to increase parking and improve infrastructure.  "The people here are going to spend the money. So whether they spend it in Tulsa or BA is really up to what business we offer here," explained longtime resident Mark Shell.

Norman says the project could take two years to realize.



Title: Re: Broken Arrow: Downtown Revitalization (New Shops, Restaurants, etc...)
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on April 10, 2011, 08:17:53 am
I found this after the Sapulpa posting with a mention of BA.  So, I put this there - wrong place - so am moving/copying it here.....

BA is a great place to live.  The downtown is only about 4 blocks long and much of that is not really vintage.  Some of the buildings are getting nice makeovers, but dealing with the planners there is a pain in the butt.  (Like most places.  That board mentioned previously.)

The downtown just won't support very much that is self contained - meaning that it depends on local traffic only.  Angus Inn seems to be thriving - and currently the only one fully dependent on foot/street traffic to the area.  The chocolatier next door is exquisite - but seems to be heavily dependent on "outside" business that doesn't depend on foot traffic.  The tattoo place up on the north end is still there, but that is a niche opportunity.

Many restaurants have tried and failed.  The steel guitar guy gives lessons which draws from wider audience than foot traffic. Some of the others are service industry - computer stuff.

The shining star of new stuff is the farmers market, but just TRY to deal with them!  And only part of the year.

The museum is very nice, but again a niche.

A new incarnation of the co-op building is in process.  Looks very nice, but not "vintage".  The little antique places that used to be there were driven out by two things - the BA "planners" and the economy - ebay just blasted that business model except for, again, niche operations.

Would love to have stuff to do there, but just not into the late night "Gospel Joe" place behind the farmers market.  Targeted too much to younger audience.

Will drive by there in a little while, but don't think the end of March thing made it yet.  There was nothing happening last weekend.

And if it is such a great concept, why would the city have to throw in $20,000??  That wouldn't come close to covering the kitchen equipment - maybe not even the fire extinguisher system - in a place like that?  Cost prohibitive to convert the building, but 20k is gonna help???  (Corporate welfare hard at work??)  Pardon my skepticism - I come by it from decades of watching this kind of stuff around Tulsa area.  Jason, does that mean that you will give me (and all the other citizens a free drink for helping you start this??  I will buy AT LEAST one more (maybe more!) if you do.











Title: Re: Broken Arrow: Downtown Revitalization (New Shops, Restaurants, etc...)
Post by: EricGarcia on October 17, 2011, 12:08:17 pm
The Hub Gym opens.  This is a nice use for an old building on Main!

http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/broken-arrow%27s-chamber-hopes-to-revamp-main-street-by-giving-shops-tax-incentives


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: Downtown Revitalization (New Shops, Restaurants, etc...)
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 17, 2011, 12:14:27 pm
The Hub Gym opens.  This is a nice use for an old building on Main!

http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/broken-arrow%27s-chamber-hopes-to-revamp-main-street-by-giving-shops-tax-incentives


I submit that there was so little left of the CO-OP building left that it is really a new building.

Nice looking place (as is the new Planet Fitness where Sutherland's used to be).  Have been by a few times and have seen no one there yet.




Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: EricGarcia on January 22, 2013, 04:51:12 pm
A developer has plans to open In The Raw Sushi in The Rose District.  He also hopes to add an additional restaurant. 

Main Street Tavern has been such a success.  It doesn't surprise me to see this announcement.  It is also nice to have local restaurant expansion along Main Street. 


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: EricGarcia on March 17, 2013, 01:14:02 am
The developer for In The Raw is proposing rooftop seating. This will be a nice addition in the Rose District. Also, a great viewing spot for parades.


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: patric on March 17, 2013, 10:59:35 am
A developer has plans to open In The Raw Sushi in The Rose District.  He also hopes to add an additional restaurant. 

Main Street Tavern has been such a success.  It doesn't surprise me to see this announcement. 

Don't say that too loud, hence they may soon be haunted by a state agency trying to stay relevant (and funded).


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on December 11, 2016, 09:31:48 am
Good signs

http://ktul.com/news/local/broken-arrow-rose-district-offering-new-attractions-to-boost-tourism-for-holidays



Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: TeeDub on December 11, 2016, 09:45:00 pm

With a Phat Phillies and a White River coming as well, Broken Arrow is looking up.


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 12, 2016, 03:24:38 pm
With a Phat Phillies and a White River coming as well, Broken Arrow is looking up.


Like a flock of turkeys looking up during a rainstorm...then drowning.

The city mostly has done a lot of good stuff.  An outdoor ice rink in Oklahoma??   Geez....they have fallen into the trap of believing their own press.  That has got to be right up there with removing the mountain base where the water towers sit at Kenosha and Lynn Lane - making pad spaces to get "business" in there.  Already, the retaining wall holding the remaining mountain in place has failed, requiring a rebuild.  Such stupid.  Ya just can't fix it.


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: Hoss on December 12, 2016, 03:29:32 pm

Like a flock of turkeys looking up during a rainstorm...then drowning.

The city mostly has done a lot of good stuff.  An outdoor ice rink in Oklahoma??   Geez....they have fallen into the trap of believing their own press.  That has got to be right up there with removing the mountain base where the water towers sit at Kenosha and Lynn Lane - making pad spaces to get "business" in there.  Already, the retaining wall holding the remaining mountain in place has failed, requiring a rebuild.  Such stupid.  Ya just can't fix it.


The outdoor rink actually does pretty well during Winterfest.  Just sayin'...


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on December 13, 2016, 09:21:32 am

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Public workshop to frame Rose District residential development in Broken Arrow

The city will seek the public’s input this week on how to complement Rose District retail, commercial and office components with residential development and redevelopment.

Discussions will be held at a community workshop from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. Wednesday at Central on Main, 201 N. Main Street.

“We want to engage the community to determine what they feel is the appropriateness of setting some standards for residential development within the area,” City Manager Michael Spurgeon said in a telephone interview.

“If you look at the Rose District and what we have created for retail and commercial, our goal is to work together to find that same strong sense of uniqueness for housing.”

A dozen years ago, the city established a master plan for downtown to revitalize the commercial area around Main Street and the surrounding residential neighborhoods. Those efforts have paid off.

In the past five years, sales tax collections from the downtown area have gone from roughly $20,000 annually to $350,000, Spurgeon said. Moreover, in the past five to seven years, the city has pumped about $20 million in streetscape and other improvements downtown, which has received close to $30 million in private investment, he said.

Today, the Rose District is anchored by eateries and hangouts such as Main Street Tavern, In the Raw, Andolini’s Pizzeria and The Rooftop, as well as artist studios, and bike and dress shops. In adjacent residential areas, particularly older neighborhoods west of Main Street, dilapidated homes have been razed, with some new residences going up in their place.

“We have a combination of vacant land in that area, and we have property that’s for sale where there could be some redevelopment,” Spurgeon said. “It’s going to happen, potentially, just organically, by someone selling a property or two, combining the lots and then somebody building a home. We feel like it would better for the community to come together for residential, just we did for the retail and commercial, to have a plan to promote that.”

Earlier this year, the city paid Oklahoma City-based ADG Inc. $95,000 to assist in the development of an overlay district in the Rose District, Spurgeon said.

The study area encompasses one square mile south of Kenosha Street, north of Houston Street, east of Elm Place and west of Ninth Street, City Council documents show.
Among the goals of the overlay is to increase project feasibility by removing development barriers in the zoning code, he explained.

“I’m a firm believer that you set the rules, make them clear and make sure that they are fair and reasonable,” Spurgeon said. “Then it’s the city’s responsibility to help guide and enforce those rules. We hold people to the standard, but we also want to help them bring those investments out of the ground.”


http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/retail/public-workshop-to-frame-rose-district-residential-development-in-broken/article_ec65d57d-cac7-5eb5-8907-3abc474db05c.html


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 13, 2016, 10:15:35 am

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/retail/public-workshop-to-frame-rose-district-residential-development-in-broken/article_ec65d57d-cac7-5eb5-8907-3abc474db05c.html



$20 million public and $30 million private??   Absolutely cannot see $50 million in changes in the Rose District - those are either cookbook numbers or someone got a really nice bonus/commission.

With the increased sales tax revenue, it will only take 142 years to break even!!  Broken Arrow has lost it's way due to all the new people moving in to enjoy the "small town" feel, then bringing with them all the garbage they left Tulsa or wherever to get away from.  Growth for growth's sake with inadequate thought, planning, or foresight and no ability to even hope to catch up on needed infrastructure to support that growth.  Just another Tulsa....





Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: saintnicster on December 13, 2016, 10:48:30 am
The outdoor rink actually does pretty well during Winterfest.  Just sayin'...
Last year was pretty trash for the actual rink surface :(


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on December 13, 2016, 12:03:25 pm
The outdoor rink actually does pretty well during Winterfest.  Just sayin'...


Spent some time in Iowa and the school had a tennis court that was slightly below grade level - a few inches.  In Oct/Nov, it was flooded and turned into ice rink.   They also brought over some small changing huts for putting skates on.  When the ice got too cut up, they pulled out a hose and flooded with another inch of water.  Worked great through about March most years.  Very nice.




Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: Hoss on December 13, 2016, 02:21:20 pm
Last year was pretty trash for the actual rink surface :(

Oklahomans don't know any better...


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: TeeDub on December 19, 2016, 08:15:46 am
Drove by it over the weekend.   

Not the crowds that the outdoor slating rink by BOK (Winterfest) has, but there were quite a few people there for it being as cold as it was.



Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: EricGarcia on August 06, 2017, 11:21:37 pm
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/realestate/million-development-announced-for-broken-arrow-s-rose-district/article_4785b5fe-62bc-5ecd-877d-191cb8666708.html

$18 million dollar mixed-use development coming to the Rose District.


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on August 07, 2017, 11:31:19 am
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/realestate/million-development-announced-for-broken-arrow-s-rose-district/article_4785b5fe-62bc-5ecd-877d-191cb8666708.html

$18 million dollar mixed-use development coming to the Rose District.


They still aren't saying who is paying for what and who is gonna end up owning what.  Cowen is a builder.  Are they gonna keep the place and run it?  Or building on 'spec'..??  Milestone Capital gonna be the owner?

City admits to another $1.5 million plus $150,000.  Up to about $2.5 million to get $150,000 a year back in sales tax.  How much property tax deferral/break is gonna go to the eventual owners??  Big place like that should generate some serious coinage.  Did they give it all away?


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: TeeDub on August 07, 2017, 01:12:06 pm

They still aren't saying who is paying for what and who is gonna end up owning what.  Cowen is a builder.  Are they gonna keep the place and run it?  Or building on 'spec'..??  Milestone Capital gonna be the owner?

City admits to another $1.5 million plus $150,000.  Up to about $2.5 million to get $150,000 a year back in sales tax.  How much property tax deferral/break is gonna go to the eventual owners??  Big place like that should generate some serious coinage.  Did they give it all away?


Broken Arrow has always had problems with math (Bass Pro) but in the meantime everything seems to be working out.   I would much rather see more development like this one than empty shells of old churches.   

(Besides, after seeing the good that came out of the fiasco that was the BOK center and the 2025 taxes, I will just enjoy the ride.)



Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: BKDotCom on August 07, 2017, 02:06:34 pm
Broken Arrow has always had problems with math (Bass Pro) but in the meantime everything seems to be working out.   I would much rather see more development like this one than empty shells of old churches.   

(Besides, after seeing the good that came out of the fiasco that was the BOK center and the 2025 taxes, I will just enjoy the ride.)




Does an empty church shell generate less tax revenue than an open-on-Sundays church?


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on August 07, 2017, 03:47:11 pm

Does an empty church shell generate less tax revenue than an open-on-Sundays church?


Lol.... 'bout the same...


The building was getting pretty ragged and it was not great enough architecture to be considered anything special.  No big loss.  I am just not much of a fan of my taxes (I spend money out there regularly) going to support what should be private commercial enterprise.  Now if the city gets an equity position in the project proportionate to the investment, then that's one thing.  Bass Pro - BA should have gotten some stock out of it to allow potentially benefiting from giving them lots of money.  Get some shared risk/reward going on there.

Same with this project - BA has hundreds of thousands in the game before anything has happened.  And the tax benefits given to these people just go directly into their pockets in dividends - and out of MY pocket as subsidies to help make them richer.





Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: Breadburner on August 07, 2017, 08:32:49 pm

Does an empty church shell generate less tax revenue than an open-on-Sundays church?

You bucking bet it does....


Title: Re: Broken Arrow: The Rose District (Downtown Revitalization)
Post by: TeeDub on August 07, 2017, 08:51:16 pm

I agree in hating to spend tax dollars to enrich the already rich, but that building was an eyesore (an empty church, then a failed funeral home, then filled with nothing but black mold.)    I am afraid if the city waited for private development to do something, they would have just seen more of the sprawl I see ranted about regularly on here.

Hopefully it is as successful as many of the other projects.

On the upside, one of the waiters in the Andolinis said that the gelato/fresh pasta place is scheduled to open on the 14th.