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Title: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: patric on April 05, 2011, 12:13:22 pm
Geek-out time.

It's amazing how many people are using these things for their vacation camera, biking, skiing, etc.
$900 from Amazon.com is a bit steep for only 4 hours recording time in VGA, but the link has less expensive models:

http://www.amazon.com/Vievu-PVR-PRO-video-camera-Green/dp/B002E9HBGG



Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: dbacks fan on April 05, 2011, 12:44:28 pm
This is what you want. For around $450.00 you can get the camera and a 32GB SDHC card and get about 10hours of video.

http://gopro.com/products/ (http://gopro.com/products/)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDLoEiBsIOw&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]



Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: patric on April 05, 2011, 01:06:05 pm
This is what you want. For around $450.00 you can get the camera and a 32GB SDHC card and get about 10hours of video.

Now that was cool, but I'd want something that clips to a shirt pocket rather than a helmet.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Ed W on April 05, 2011, 03:13:06 pm
Do you mean like this?

(http://ktul.images.worldnow.com/images/14380015_BG1.jpg)

http://www.ktul.com/story/14380015/owasso-cops-will-soon-be-wearing-cameras?redirected=true (http://www.ktul.com/story/14380015/owasso-cops-will-soon-be-wearing-cameras?redirected=true)

Someone already pointed out that the cameras are sure to 'malfunction' at the most inopportune times.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: DolfanBob on April 05, 2011, 04:10:49 pm
I saw that on the news last night. Owasso P.D. is pimpin these things as the next big thing for Law enforcement.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Ed W on April 05, 2011, 04:40:00 pm
If you haven't already seen it, take a look at Carlos Miller's "Photography is Not a Crime" for some interesting stories of police reactions to citizens taking photographs and videos. 

http://www.pixiq.com/contributors/248 (http://www.pixiq.com/contributors/248)

It should be interesting to see how this works when a defendant says the arresting officer had a camcorder pinned to his shirt.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Conan71 on April 05, 2011, 04:46:09 pm
Any chance there's a personal HD cam with 12 hours recording time which isn't too cumbersome?  I got in to the Leadville Trail 100 mountain bike race later this summer and I'd love to capture all the punishment.  I'd like to think I can finish in less than 10 hours, but you never know what can happen ;)


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: patric on April 05, 2011, 10:41:01 pm
Do you mean like this?

(http://ktul.images.worldnow.com/images/14380015_BG1.jpg)
Someone already pointed out that the cameras are sure to 'malfunction' at the most inopportune times.

.....something like that...or the one I posted at the top of the thread  ;)
Trying to introduce video that has been paused at critical times as evidence in a court of law has got to raise all sorts of red flags, so for honest police use you need to record continuously, and a 4-hour capacity isnt going to cut it.
But if I were making an epic surfing video or skydiving, that (or dback's HD camera) would be perfect.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: patric on April 05, 2011, 10:45:01 pm
Any chance there's a personal HD cam with 12 hours recording time which isn't too cumbersome?  I got in to the Leadville Trail 100 mountain bike race later this summer and I'd love to capture all the punishment.  I'd like to think I can finish in less than 10 hours, but you never know what can happen ;)

Flash memory is so cheap these days, there's no reason not to have these with either 16 or 32Gb of memory, or a SDHC slot so you can add memory as your budget allows.  4Gb is just lame.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: nathanm on April 05, 2011, 10:52:44 pm
Flash memory is so cheap these days, there's no reason not to have these with either 16 or 32Gb of memory, or a SDHC slot so you can add memory as your budget allows.  4Gb is just lame.
Buy a cell phone with HD video recording. N8 is $400 and comes with 32GB and has an SDHC slot. Plus it's a cell phone. You might need a microUSB battery pack to make it go 13 hours though. I think it's only rated at 5 or 6. Seems like four rechargeable AAs should at least double that time.

It probably wouldn't be too comfortable biking in a Scottevest, though.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Hoss on April 05, 2011, 11:41:55 pm
Buy a cell phone with HD video recording. N8 is $400 and comes with 32GB and has an SDHC slot. Plus it's a cell phone. You might need a microUSB battery pack to make it go 13 hours though. I think it's only rated at 5 or 6. Seems like four rechargeable AAs should at least double that time.

It probably wouldn't be too comfortable biking in a Scottevest, though.

Just got me a Moto Atrix that does 720p recording, and will do 1080p recording with a firmware update later in the year.  It takes good video, but the zoom is digital so it creates some artifacting.  But zoomed out full the picture is pretty damn good.  Here's a sample:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkkqjx_uWEQ[/youtube]


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: DolfanBob on April 06, 2011, 08:20:05 am
Hoss. Your camera angle brought this video to mind.
This guy is great. Makes me laugh everytime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RxH1CnYhd8


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Conan71 on April 06, 2011, 08:57:01 am
Buy a cell phone with HD video recording. N8 is $400 and comes with 32GB and has an SDHC slot. Plus it's a cell phone. You might need a microUSB battery pack to make it go 13 hours though. I think it's only rated at 5 or 6. Seems like four rechargeable AAs should at least double that time.

It probably wouldn't be too comfortable biking in a Scottevest, though.

The race starts at approx. 10,000 ft. and I get to do about 14,000 feet of total ascent over 100 miles.  Less equipment and weight is appreciated in the thin air.  When I go out to do a three day mini camp in July, I'll likely film the three day segments so I can review the more technical parts of the course.  For that, it sounds like I can use something with 4-6 hours of record time mounted on my helmet.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: nathanm on April 06, 2011, 09:22:57 am
Just got me a Moto Atrix that does 720p recording, and will do 1080p recording with a firmware update later in the year.  It takes good video, but the zoom is digital so it creates some artifacting.  But zoomed out full the picture is pretty damn good.  Here's a sample:
You also had to take a 2 year contract to get it for a reasonable price and take one of at&t's ridiculous new data plans. ;)

Conan, it seems like for what you want, a good quality SD video recorder would be just fine. Tons of cell phones take good 480p video, but for longer life at the same or less weight and price, I'd bet there are better options.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Hoss on April 06, 2011, 09:25:21 am
You also had to take a 2 year contract to get it for a reasonable price and take one of at&t's ridiculous new data plans. ;)

Conan, it seems like for what you want, a good quality SD video recorder would be just fine. Tons of cell phones take good 480p video, but for longer life at the same or less weight and price, I'd bet there are better options.

Actually, no I didn't.  You might ask first before assuming.

 ;D


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: nathanm on April 06, 2011, 09:27:21 am
Actually, no I didn't.  You might ask first before assuming.

 ;D

I was under the impression that at&t was forcing data plans on people who bought the Atrix. My bad. Now tell me how to avoid it. ;) (I wouldn't actually mind the contract, but keeping my existing data plan is most important)


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: carltonplace on April 06, 2011, 09:29:03 am
You also had to take a 2 year contract to get it for a reasonable price and take one of at&t's ridiculous new data plans. ;)

Conan, it seems like for what you want, a good quality SD video recorder would be just fine. Tons of cell phones take good 480p video, but for longer life at the same or less weight and price, I'd bet there are better options.

and the cell phone plays music


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Hoss on April 06, 2011, 09:33:48 am
I was under the impression that at&t was forcing data plans on people who bought the Atrix. My bad. Now tell me how to avoid it. ;) (I wouldn't actually mind the contract, but keeping my existing data plan is most important)

I've had the data plan (previously from the iPhone); as far as the contract, no.

I avoid it because I have a corporate discount through my employer.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: patric on April 06, 2011, 10:07:06 am
Just got me a Moto Atrix that does 720p recording, and will do 1080p recording with a firmware update later in the year.

Is there a case that lets you record while wearing it?  Iv'e liked Moto's phones but I think they are getting away from that.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Hoss on April 06, 2011, 10:10:10 am
Is there a case that lets you record while wearing it?  Iv'e liked Moto's phones but I think they are getting away from that.

Otterbox Defender.

http://www.otterbox.com/Motorola-ATRIX-4G-Defender-Series-Case/MOT2-ATRIX-20-E4OTR_A,default,pd.html


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: nathanm on April 06, 2011, 10:15:27 am
I've had the data plan (previously from the iPhone); as far as the contract, no.

I avoid it because I have a corporate discount through my employer.
I used to get no contract upgrades also, but they took that away some years back. Now I have to take a 2 year to get the discount, although I can do one every six months still. It used to be unlimited upgrades with no contract. Those were the days. I've got a data plan from 2004, and they'd make me change it if I were to buy an Atrix, unfortunately. They have supposedly expanded the system that checks for iPhones without iPhone plans to some of the Android phones also.

Given that I pay $20 a month for unlimited data, 1500 messages, and no restrictions on what device I use it in, I'm not terribly interested in moving to a plan with a 2GB cap and no messages. Or getting into a fight with them about it when they try to move me to a new plan without my authorization.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Red Arrow on April 06, 2011, 11:28:47 am
I expect that the wearable camcorders will not always have the on/off switch in the on position.  It would eventually show that cops have regular civilian human driving habits too.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Hoss on April 06, 2011, 02:24:24 pm
I used to get no contract upgrades also, but they took that away some years back. Now I have to take a 2 year to get the discount, although I can do one every six months still. It used to be unlimited upgrades with no contract. Those were the days. I've got a data plan from 2004, and they'd make me change it if I were to buy an Atrix, unfortunately. They have supposedly expanded the system that checks for iPhones without iPhone plans to some of the Android phones also.

Given that I pay $20 a month for unlimited data, 1500 messages, and no restrictions on what device I use it in, I'm not terribly interested in moving to a plan with a 2GB cap and no messages. Or getting into a fight with them about it when they try to move me to a new plan without my authorization.

They obviously haven't quite gotten there with the Android yet; as I did my self-activation, they failed to indicate to me that iPhone data plans are exclusive (yet the same) from the other plans as far as product code.  I spent a little while trying to figure out why I couldn't register with MotoBlur until I called and they said I didn't have a data plan for the phone...I'll give AT&T's Level 1 support this much..they're consistent...consistently crappy.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Ed W on April 06, 2011, 02:27:38 pm
The race starts at approx. 10,000 ft. and I get to do about 14,000 feet of total ascent over 100 miles.  Less equipment and weight is appreciated in the thin air.  When I go out to do a three day mini camp in July, I'll likely film the three day segments so I can review the more technical parts of the course.  For that, it sounds like I can use something with 4-6 hours of record time mounted on my helmet.

Some of the Canon point and shoot cameras will accept the CHDK aftermarket software.  It offers a time lapse feature, taking one frame at a pre-set interval.  You'd have to power it from an external battery pack for 6 hours of operation.  Playing it back in a slideshow could compress the hours to a few dizzying minutes.

Just a thought.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Conan71 on April 06, 2011, 02:46:07 pm
Some of the Canon point and shoot cameras will accept the CHDK aftermarket software.  It offers a time lapse feature, taking one frame at a pre-set interval.  You'd have to power it from an external battery pack for 6 hours of operation.  Playing it back in a slideshow could compress the hours to a few dizzying minutes.

Just a thought.

Thanks for the tip Ed.  I'll check my options. 

Are you working the stop in Ramona at Tulsa Tough this year?  They've changed the routes.  Last year's Sat route is on Sunday, Sunday's route with the Gran Fondo option is on Saturday.  I'm trying for the Deuce at TT this year as well.  That's the thing about doing two bucket list items in one year, you hope that doesn't mean you are getting too close to the bucket ;)


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Ed W on April 06, 2011, 06:11:17 pm
Thanks for the tip Ed.  I'll check my options. 

Are you working the stop in Ramona at Tulsa Tough this year?  They've changed the routes.  Last year's Sat route is on Sunday, Sunday's route with the Gran Fondo option is on Saturday.  I'm trying for the Deuce at TT this year as well.  That's the thing about doing two bucket list items in one year, you hope that doesn't mean you are getting too close to the bucket ;)


I was in Ochelata, that garden spot of Northeast Oklahoma, last year.  One of the VFD guys pointed at a white van about 200 yards away and said, "See that van?  It's on the other side of town!"

I probably won't volunteer this time, though in all honestly, I haven't heard from the organizers yet.  Right now, I'm still having problems standing and walking at times, so I'm going to take it easy.  But I'll probably go and take photos somewhere.


Title: Re: Wearable Camcorders
Post by: Vashta Nerada on October 08, 2013, 07:25:08 pm
Now watch the detective's union push for a ban on helmet cameras:


Quote
NEW YORK An undercover detective who investigators said was off duty when he was recorded on video pounding on an SUV as a biker rally
spiraled into violence was arrested late Tuesday.

Wojciech Braszczok surrendered to face riot and criminal mischief charges, New York Police Department spokesman John McCarthy said.
The attorney, Phil Karasyk, had said Monday that the detective, a 10-year veteran of the police force, had only witnessed other bikers attacking the vehicle. But investigators discovered video evidence showing him throwing punches.

The arrest added to the complexities of the Sept. 29 episode, which authorities say began with a reckless motorcycle group ride on a Manhattan highway and ended with one motorcyclist run over and the driver dragged from his SUV and beaten on a street.

NYPD internal affairs investigators had initially been looking into the undercover detective's conduct because he didn't report until three days later that he had been at the rally. The expectation that police officers will act if they see crimes isn't the same for undercover officers.

The encounter, captured partly on a helmet-mounted video that was posted online, began when about two dozen riders slowed down, swarming the Range Rover after it bumped a biker on the West Side Highway.
- See more at: http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/10/nypd_cop_arrested_in_motorcycle_suv_assault_case