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Title: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Townsend on February 14, 2011, 04:13:59 pm
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Four numbers are causing a lot of speculation across the state.

It's the "5320" campaign.

But what is the message behind the numbers?

Well we finally have the answer.

The 5320 launch event took place this morning in Oklahoma City.

Gov. Mary Fallin, with the help of State Health Commissioner Dr. Terry Cline and other notable state leaders, discussed the need for bold action to improve Oklahoma's poor health statistics.

"The lives of 5,320 men and women could be saved each year if Oklahoma simply met the national average for health measures," said Fallin. "The costs we pay in lives and the hundreds of millions of dollars our families and businesses pay in medical bills is a tragedy that continues to hold our state back. Oklahoma has the tools it needs to become a healthier, more prosperous state. It's time to start using them and to empower our citizens to live healthier lives where they live, work and learn."

Oklahoma currently ranks 46th among all states in major health status categories.

"Now that people know the '5,320' number and what it means, we hope they'll be just as interested in the next phase of the campaign called Shape Your Future," said Tracey Strader, executive director of the Tobacco Settlement Endowment Trust .

The second step of the campaign, focuses on enacting policies to improve community, business and school health

Recommendations include:

-Restoring the rights of local communities to pass tobacco use prevention policies that are stronger than state law

-Assuring health education is taught in all state public schools in sixth, seventh or eighth grade

-Prohibiting the use of a hand-held electronic device while driving for all drivers under 18 years of age

The third step of the campaign highlights strategies to improve health outcomes for Oklahoma's children.



Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: ZYX on February 14, 2011, 05:00:37 pm
Ooooooohhhhh......so that's what these numbers mean.

I think it could work, it makes people aware.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: inteller on February 14, 2011, 06:05:31 pm
it is called natural selection, stop trying to thwart it.  Every time I see a fat okie I am inspired to work out so I don't end up like one of them.  Please don't take my inspiration away.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Red Arrow on February 14, 2011, 06:09:36 pm
I would prefer to:
Prohibit the use of a hand-held electronic device while driving for all drivers.

As much as I abhor smoking, letting every locality set whatever strict rules they want would be confusing.  County option is as local as I would want to go.  What's next?  Back to no beer on one side of the street but OK on the other?



Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: RecycleMichael on February 14, 2011, 06:34:39 pm
I think the campaign is a total waste of money.

The idea came from a high-priced PR firm that does almost exclusively partisan republican campaigns. They were reportedly paid over six figures for the idea, then another ten percent commission on all ad buys. Just google Tim Berney and VI marketing (Visual Image).

This campaign was just a way for politicians to pay back their friends by giving them business.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: inteller on February 14, 2011, 07:57:55 pm
i'm concerned my tax dollars went to spend on billboards and TV ad placement.  Did they?  I dunno, this campaign was so obscure and nebulous no one will ever care to know.  BTW, this was the biggest failure of viral marketing I've ever seen.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: cannon_fodder on February 14, 2011, 08:16:05 pm
I'm a proud user of cell phones while driving since 1996 with no tickets or accidents.  Go me!


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 14, 2011, 09:07:38 pm
Sounds a lot in concept like "Just say no".  All talk.  No substance.




Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: inteller on February 14, 2011, 09:55:36 pm
if they want to motivate okies, I say show tub girl on TV....and say THIS IS YOU.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: sgrizzle on February 15, 2011, 08:52:51 am
I think the campaign is a total waste of money.

The idea came from a high-priced PR firm that does almost exclusively partisan republican campaigns. They were reportedly paid over six figures for the idea, then another ten percent commission on all ad buys. Just google Tim Berney and VI marketing (Visual Image).

This campaign was just a way for politicians to pay back their friends by giving them business.

I decoded the number a couple of weeks ago and when I inquired around I heard that this was all a big push to promote the announcement and unlike "just say no," there is little-to-no continuing program. Posters and radio ads I get, but they did things like print coasters and sent them to radio stations. Who does that reach? Are they supposed to rub them on the microphone?


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Townsend on February 15, 2011, 09:11:16 am
I decoded the number a couple of weeks ago and when I inquired around I heard that this was all a big push to promote the announcement and unlike "just say no," there is little-to-no continuing program. Posters and radio ads I get, but they did things like print coasters and sent them to radio stations. Who does that reach? Are they supposed to rub them on the microphone?

Yup, that sounds about right.  Too bad.

It's be great to get a big push toward a healthier populous.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Gaspar on February 15, 2011, 10:39:13 am
I'm a proud user of cell phones while driving since 1996 with no tickets or accidents.  Go me!

Me too.  I am also known to chew gum and walk.  I live on the edge!


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Gaspar on February 15, 2011, 10:43:01 am
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That is about the stupidest campaign I have ever witnessed.  It's like something a college kid would conjurer up the night before a presentation after 3 Redbulls and bong hit!


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Red Arrow on February 15, 2011, 11:21:29 am
I'm a proud user of cell phones while driving since 1996 with no tickets or accidents.  Go me!

There are a lot of "drunk drivers" that never get caught or have an accident too.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Gaspar on February 15, 2011, 01:59:40 pm
There are a lot of "drunk drivers" that never get caught or have an accident too.

That's why it's even more important that people know the dangers of using cell phones while driving after drinking.  We should probably work up a series of campaigns illustrating the dangers of mixing the three.

If you throw in juggling, you've really got a dangerous situation!  :o

Isn't there already a "driving while distracted" designation and fine?  Why must we continue to complicate the law?



Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 15, 2011, 02:01:52 pm
Sounds like a strong advocacy of drunk-like driving.  Go, Team!!



Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Gaspar on February 15, 2011, 03:01:50 pm
Sounds like a strong advocacy of drunk-like driving.  Go, Team!!



"drunk-like" driving.  We should pass some laws against that too!

Used to live up north in the late 80s early 90s.  Watched people drive to work all the time with the newspaper folded on the steering wheel.

People do things that distract them from driving.  It is wrong and their are laws against it.  20 years ago, if you were talking on the phone while driving, or juggling cats, or reading the paper, you could be pulled over and sited for driving while distracted.  Now we want specific laws that allow citation even if the driver does not appear to be distracted.

Then of course we get into a sticky situation because the very law enforcement officer that pulls you over is instantly guilty of the same crime you just committed.  Every time I do a ride-along with TPD I am amazed at my buddy's ability to accelerate through traffic while typing the plate # in on his laptop, calling in the stop on his radio, and reading the computer screen. 

Laptops, two-way communications, and cell-phones are a huge distraction for cops too!  If we pass laws making such distractions illegal to drivers, we also take away the tools necessary for modern law enforcement.

 


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Red Arrow on February 15, 2011, 03:08:16 pm
Distracted driving should take care of the situation but it doesn't.

Everyone thinks they are masters at multitasking.  They are not.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Conan71 on February 15, 2011, 03:28:56 pm
No different than "Don't Lay That Trash On Oklahoma" or "Healthy Kids" or any other discretionary campaign which has come out of the Governor's Mansion in the last 30-40 years.  Each Gov. or their spouse has had some sort of pet PR campaign.  It's what they do.  

I don't think personal wellness is one of the worst messages they could have picked.  Wasn't health care reform supposed to make health care more affordable?  That had all sorts of support.  Best way I know to keep health care expenses in line is a proactive approach.

That said, there are probably better uses for our money and this campaign is pretty sophomoric.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: TulsaMoon on February 16, 2011, 07:00:07 am
After three years in Tulsa I have noticed one thing, the additional 50 pounds I put on. This morning was the beginning of my workout to get rid of that 50+... It was not due to a sign on the road with a number, it was due to a mirror on a wall, and a wife that looks 30.

Put a smoking hot chick in front of a 250 pound man, tell him he can have her if he sheds some pounds. I bet that would work better.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Red Arrow on February 16, 2011, 07:14:39 am
No different than "Don't Lay That Trash On Oklahoma"

Dump it in Texas!


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Townsend on February 16, 2011, 09:31:52 am
After three years in Tulsa I have noticed one thing, the additional 50 pounds I put on. This morning was the beginning of my workout to get rid of that 50+... It was not due to a sign on the road with a number, it was due to a mirror on a wall, and a wife that looks 30.

Put a smoking hot chick in front of a 250 pound man, tell him he can have her if he sheds some pounds. I bet that would work better.

Good luck.

I recently dropped 35 lbs with a treadmill and Weight Watchers.  WW wasn't my choice.  When your wife joins, you join.  I was shocked how well it works.

Oh, and the normal foods Okies eat?  WW really shows you how bad those are and you learn to stay away from them.

However you do it, I wish you well.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Conan71 on February 16, 2011, 10:53:10 am
After three years in Tulsa I have noticed one thing, the additional 50 pounds I put on. This morning was the beginning of my workout to get rid of that 50+... It was not due to a sign on the road with a number, it was due to a mirror on a wall, and a wife that looks 30.

Put a smoking hot chick in front of a 250 pound man, tell him he can have her if he sheds some pounds. I bet that would work better.

Rowing and cycling have worked quite well for me.  I am very kinetic when it comes to exercise, so outdoor exercise works best for me.  I've taken it a step further than most do though by racing quite a bit and doing endurance challenges.  With some goals I've got for this cycling season, it's required a lot of indoor time on my bike training rig this winter.  I've logged around 800 miles in the last five weeks, unfortunately about 600 of those have been in my dining room which now resembles a bike shop and training studio  ;)

One thing which has worked for me as far as sloughing weight and keeping it off effectively aside from 1 to 4 hour workouts is being ultra careful about cutting out processed foods and avoiding preservatives and other additives as much as possible rather than worrying about carbs, protein, or fat intake or strict calorie count.  I am fortunate I'm not a huge sugar craver so that is in my favor somewhat.  I lost 20 pounds quite rapidly last summer when I really started watching that and cooking as many meals at home as possible.

Look at it as a lifestyle change and it's a lot easier.  Look at it as a "diet" or "phase" and it gets a lot harder.  Those two words imply something temporary and some sort of sacrifice or extra hard work.

Best of luck to you.  Certainly, I've gone to the more extreme end, but I've always been competitive and have raced about everything imaginable under the sun so it was only a matter of time before I found something else I could race  ;) if I could go from being an overweight smoker to a somewhat competitive cyclist and rower after the age of 40, I think anyone is capable of it especially considering I was never really a very good athlete to begin with.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Townsend on February 16, 2011, 11:00:10 am
Rowing and cycling have worked quite well for me.  I am very kinetic when it comes to exercise, so outdoor exercise works best for me.  I've taken it a step further than most do though by racing quite a bit and doing endurance challenges.  With some goals I've got for this cycling season, it's required a lot of indoor time on my bike training rig this winter.  I've logged around 800 miles in the last five weeks, unfortunately about 600 of those have been in my dining room which now resembles a bike shop and training studio  ;)

One thing which has worked for me as far as sloughing weight and keeping it off effectively aside from 1 to 4 hour workouts is being ultra careful about cutting out processed foods and avoiding preservatives and other additives as much as possible rather than worrying about carbs, protein, or fat intake or strict calorie count.  I am fortunate I'm not a huge sugar craver so that is in my favor somewhat.  I lost 20 pounds quite rapidly last summer when I really started watching that and cooking as many meals at home as possible.

Look at it as a lifestyle change and it's a lot easier.  Look at it as a "diet" or "phase" and it gets a lot harder.  Those two words imply something temporary and some sort of sacrifice or extra hard work.

Best of luck to you.  Certainly, I've gone to the more extreme end, but I've always been competitive and have raced about everything imaginable under the sun so it was only a matter of time before I found something else I could race  ;) if I could go from being an overweight smoker to a somewhat competitive cyclist and rower after the age of 40, I think anyone is capable of it especially considering I was never really a very good athlete to begin with.

Hear hear.  We've started referring to him as "Sweetass" too.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: RecycleMichael on February 16, 2011, 11:42:25 am
I once went on a 14 day diet.

All I lost was two weeks.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: carltonplace on February 16, 2011, 12:17:44 pm
Hear hear.  We've started referring to him as "Sweetass" too.

Oops, I thought you were calling him "sweatass". My bad


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 16, 2011, 12:50:44 pm
Bike riding is fantastic stuff!  I stopped somewhere along the way and gained 40 lbs., too.  Yuck.

Guess I just need to get back with it.  Tulsa has an incredible riding/walking system available now that wasn't there when I was riding steady.  It is exceptional in the nation - my opinion.  Usual "bike trail" is a stripe of paint at the edge of the road.

Anyone ride Freewheel??  (I did the first 6 before stopping.)  Have several centuries and one century and a half.  Probably couldn't ride 5 miles today.



Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Conan71 on February 16, 2011, 01:32:13 pm
Bike riding is fantastic stuff!  I stopped somewhere along the way and gained 40 lbs., too.  Yuck.

Guess I just need to get back with it.  Tulsa has an incredible riding/walking system available now that wasn't there when I was riding steady.  It is exceptional in the nation - my opinion.  Usual "bike trail" is a stripe of paint at the edge of the road.

Anyone ride Freewheel??  (I did the first 6 before stopping.)  Have several centuries and one century and a half.  Probably couldn't ride 5 miles today.



Freewheel, no.  Maybe some day.  Logistically it's not a great time of year for me to take a whole week off.  I also really don't have much of a desire to ride 500 to 600 miles in a week due to some shoulder issues which become more pronounced on longer rides.  I did something like 6 or 7 centuries last year, two were sub five hour.  On the goal list this year is "The Deuce" at Tulsa Tough.  Back to back centuries in under 10 hours.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 16, 2011, 11:13:51 pm
I enjoyed doing the centuries in about 7 or 8 hours.  Too much work to do it any faster.

Freewheel this year is going to be about 450 miles, plus or minus.

It was a lot of fun, with the obligatory major thunderstorm/tornado.  Don't know if the tradition continues today or not.





Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: Conan71 on February 16, 2011, 11:38:24 pm
I enjoyed doing the centuries in about 7 or 8 hours.  Too much work to do it any faster.

Freewheel this year is going to be about 450 miles, plus or minus.

It was a lot of fun, with the obligatory major thunderstorm/tornado.  Don't know if the tradition continues today or not.


Funny you say that, as they do get pelted just about every year and tornado warnings are a fact of life on it.  I've had several people try to talk me into RAGBRAI which is Iowa's version of FreeWheel.  Starting at the Missouri River and ending at the Mississippi.  More of a party atmosphere and it's about 15,000 cyclists.


Title: Re: 5320, Well intentioned but will it do anything?
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on February 16, 2011, 11:55:04 pm
Had tornado at Fort Gibson one year I was on it.  Herded us into school auditorium.  Tore the hell out of the camping area just outside (about 100 feet).  No injuries.

ALWAYS got big thunderstorms.  I think there were total of 3 tornadoes close by out of the 6 years.  Incredible fun!!

Always wanted to go on Ragbrai.  May have to go do that sometime soon.  Always been very large.