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This borders on the bizarre.  Even if it's sketchy and not true, it's some damned funny storytelling.

http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-q/2010/08/gq-exclusive-rand-pauls-crazy-college-days-hint-theres-a-secret-society-involved.html

Rand Paul supporters...They'll stomp on your head.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/woman-stomped-on-at-rand-paul-rally-11970104 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/woman-stomped-on-at-rand-paul-rally-11970104)

Stay classy, tea-baggers...

You too jerk.

Has Hoss been stomping heads? If there's a YouTube video I'd love to see that hilarity!

Boot to the head

Don't feed the troll...maybe he and Quinton need to go on a date.

But we won't talk about the second incident at the KY debate where a woman that had recent foot surgery had said foot stepped on by a Conway supporter.

http://www.kypost.com/dpps/news/political/2-fights-break-out-during-paul_conway-debate-_5305909

As for the "aqua buddha" story, jeez, welcome to two months ago...

Yeah, because stomping on a foot (even one that had surgery) and stomping on a head are the same things.  Both are terrible acts, but it's unlikely one will get brain damage from getting the foot stomped on.  Some tea partiers if they had their donkey kicked, however....


 ;D

We won't?

That was two months ago.  You read the post date?

In his haste to furiously make a right vs left point, he failed to do his research.  Glad he doesn't do business for me.

Roger

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Heads? Nope, but he likes name calling, I thought since he enjoys names so much I would give him one as well.

OK. As long as you realize that the "tea baggers" came up with the name themselves. Unfortunate for them, that.

Perhaps, perhaps not. I haven't seen any evidence either way.
 On another note, while I found the video extreamly disturbing, I also understand how it can happen.

"Lauren Valle, a volunteer for the liberal MoveOn.org advocacy group, was allegedly assaulted by a Paul supporter as she attempted to give the Republican candidate a mock award highlighting GOP links to big business."
She admits she approached the person with false intent. I guess it's good she didn't have a gun but then how would anyone know?

Here's your evidence...jerk.

http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=Mjk1YmRjNzIxNmUwMTI0ZWYxZWU4OWU2MzFiOWJmNDE=

Point out where I call a name to someone on this forum who hasn't called me one in kind?  Doubt you can do it.  You're a tea party member, right?  How many times have you called Obama a communist?  Be truthful now.

You didn't like the reference and slew out the ad-hom.  You and Gweed should compare notes.

Wow, you set a really low bar for use of force.

And I'm telling you, they called themselves tea baggers first, back when the tax day mini-protests were getting organized, around the time of the first set of rallies. You can believe me or not, I don't really care, but that's what happened, at least according to the quotes in the newspaper articles I read around that time.

(to be fair, they called themselves "tea bag protesters," although the first two articles I could find on google news with the term "tea bagger" were both from right wingers. So maybe the establishment Republicans started it, I can't be sure. I do know that I saw quotes from rally attendees at the 4/15/2009 rallies also using the term, but by May, there were tea partiers complaining of the label, so their use of it was short lived.

The overriding irony of those protests is that government consumption spending hadn't increased at more than its usual pace, thanks to massive cuts in state budgets offsetting the increased federal spending on entitlements, and as of 4/15/2009, it was actually running below its usual rate of increase, although it resumed its normal trend later in the year when the stimulus money started getting spent.

I'm sure you know how it works; you get a couple of billionaires and a bunch of Republican power brokers behind you and you can spin a story any way you want regardless of the facts.  :P

Yeah, to second nathan, that's a pretty deplorable little perversion of the social contract right there.  You don't get to curb stomp someone because they haven't proven they're not carrying heat.  That's straight up assault, and it's bad if a generic Tea Partier tries it but much worse if a member of Rand Paul's election staff is the curb stomper.  Which he was.  Guess it's just another sterling example of Tea Party thug life, no? 
 

If one can assume your statement is true, Lauren Valle is just another sterling example of the left not thinking of the consequences of their actions or being just plain stupid.  Either that or she wanted to be a martyr. 

Has anyone seen a video of the entire incident from the time she accosted Dr. Paul?  You don't think it's just slightly biased to show only the curb stomp do you?  If your job was to help protect a candidate, or you were a candidate, or you were a simple volunteer, you might react different if suddenly someone comes out of a crowd and tries to shove something at a candidate.  You have less than a second to react if it were a weapon.

The curb stomp is unacceptible behavior, but think of the stupid things you've done under the influence of adrenaline before you make comments like "Tea Party thug life".

Show me the entire incident and I'll gladly say this goon was searching for an excuse to beat someone up if that's really the case.  Given the evidence thus far, I don't think you can draw such a conclusion other than everyone's heart rate went up for a minute or so in a mass of confusion.

Oh, and one more thing, she was definitely trying to pull an O'Keefe.  Surprised none of you lefties mentioned that.

No, I'm not a Tea Party member and I'm not a republican. I'm a registered independent. While my political views are conservitave, both the Democrat and Republican parties are ruled to much by special interest money. That is't likely to change any time soon.

 You claim you don't name call unless you are called a name first. Like it or not, you can't stand behind that statement. "teabaggers"? A name is a name is a name.
 Deny you used it in an inflammatory manner.

That being said, I would like to offer you an apology. I jumped on you for a few reasons. I hate the way political discussions and even campaign adds are more and more negative. It's childish and down right nasty and there's no reason for it. I know, it goes back a long way. Thomas Jefferson once paid a writer to affirm his opponent was a hermaphrodite. Davie Crockett proclaimed his opponent wore a girdle and dressed as a woman all trussed up.
 
Additionally, my mother had a family acquaintance take her for 9K and disappear. I have been dealing with that since Saturday and have been simmering since. My anger got the better of me and I made a remark that was below me.
 So, I offer my apologies whether you will accept them or not.

Yes, it was a pretty lame excuse. I have been in "Attack mode" since Saturday. Rage will make a person do and say things they normally wouldn't. Please see my previous response.

Understand how that can happen, and yes, apology is accepted.

However...

I used the term only because it's been used in the past as I noted earlier, and to make a point about classiness.  And then come to find out that this guy was a Rand Paul campaign higher-up makes it even worse.

With that out of the way, I can agree with you on my nausea over the current slate of political ads, from at least Labor Day.  I've been telling most everyone I converse with I'll be glad when this cycle is over, regardless of the outcome.  If the Republicans take control of the house (doubtful they'll do so in the Senate; the Tea Party has almost made sure of that), then it will be political gridlock for the next two years, at least.

And some of the ads, like those for certain positions which have nothing to do with national policy (state district judge and his stance on abortion/'Obamacare' etc. ad nauseum) have no place.  It's like the discussion we had earlier in the year about a certain political candidate's stand on abortion when it was not even relevant in the discourse of the position he was seeking.

Thanks man.

Look. She can be stupid or smart, leftie or rightie . . . she could be a normal person standidng quietly, have Tourette's and be spewing cursewords or any other range of behaviors and it doesn't make it ok for those guys to assault her. 

This is a variation on the "I wouldn't have raped her if she didn't ask for it" argument and it's as bankrupt here as it ever was.   

I believe that tea bagger is the simplest way to mention a tea party person.  Tea Party Protester or Tea Party Person is just a pain to write and doesn't sound right.  Regardless of the double meaning. 

Over-react much?

Tell me where this isn't selective editing.  They open the piece with the "stomp", the most inflammitory scene they could show, and it's not even accurate to say he stomped on her head, his foot was on her shoulder.  Again, we don't see the provocation, only her being hauled up and wig removed, then the shoulder stomp. 

Why did she need to be wrestled in the first place?  We don't appear to have that on film.  Maybe I should be more biased in my thinking processes instead of wanting to know the full story before trying to pin this as a systemic problem with an entire political movement.  From her actions let's say all moveon libtards are violence baiters.

I think they like "Tea Partier" now.

I find it offensive, it's a derisive gay epithet.

To me it looked like the guy was trying to keep her on the ground with his foot on her shoulder and it slipped off.  Although he left it on her head for a little bit longer than it should have been.  If I accidentaly stomped on somebodies head I honestly believed that I would say sorry if i was "only trying to subdue" them.

I also would like a full video..   This isn't some setup like O'keefe and "fancy editing".  I have no clue why volunteers are running security for them.  It doesn't make sense.

She was asking for it
I like it

I honestly don't think about that when I say that.  Even though I know the double meaning.

Why is that overreacting when you follow up with "Why did she need to be wrestled in the first place?"  She didn't.  She was protesting, and by all accounts (including news reports from the scene) that's all she was doing.  She wasn't waving a gun around or attacking people or streaking through the crowd naked.  She was holding a sign and wearing a wig and yelling slogans (at maximum).  This is simply not stompable behavior.  But really, the point is that NOTHING is stompable behavior.  

That's what disturbs me about this whole episode.  It's full of excuses, mitigation, and a whole string of "yeah, buts"?  This used to be easily condemnable behavior, but now we have to somehow work all the angles so that Stomper comes out smelling -- if not rosy -- at least somewhat justified in assaulting a protester.  

Also, I stand by "thug life."  This is just one of a string of questionable tactics and behaviors, which include but aren't limited to: shouting down legislators at the healthcare townhalls, bringing assault weapons to political demonstrations, pushing variations on "second amendment remedies" (Sharron Angle, etc) threatening journalists (Carl Paladino), having your personal security threaten journalists (Joe Miller), and now relying on members of your campaign team to rough up protestors (Rand Paul). No one else does this but the Tea Party.  Neither Democrats nor Republicans (till this cycle) have pursued it to this degree.  Note:  I'm talking about candidates and their posses, not advocacy groups (most of whom don't do this either, but it will just muddy the discussion if we want to talk about the Black Panther Voter Intimidation Squad of Two.)

EDIT:  There's raw footage out there on the web, but my work computer won't let me search for it.  Suffice to say it's not surprising, nor does it change essentially what happened.

I'm a little surprised this has not been "Godwin'd".

Yeah, what the frak is that? (seriously I can't type w t f it turns into pancakes)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/Kkn2u-OMfTI?fs=1&hl=en_US[/youtube]

I've been doing my personal best to avoid Godwin, but it's getting harder, not easier.

You are aware she was trying to "present" him with an "award", right?

I've viewed the other raw video that's out there and still see nothing more than the take down.  We still have no idea if she emerged from the crowd thrusting something at Dr. Paul or was three rows back.  If she was thrusting something in that tight of quarters, chances are no one would have known for certain what her intentions were.  All I could see in her hand was a sign, given a split second to react, would you stand back or intervene if you suspected someone might have a weapon or intend to assault someone else if all you had to go on was sudden motion and it not quite regsitering yet what might or might not be in someone's hand?

Lunge at a national political candidate while wearing an obvious disguise like a garish blonde wig and see how quickly you get taken down, regardless what's in your hand.

Appropriately, the supporter has been banished from the campaign while the libtard world continues to spin this out of control and flat donkey exaggerate what happened (head stomp?).  Ms. Valle refused medical attention yet now claims to have recieved a concussion.  How would she know it's a concussion if she refused treatment?

Sheesh, one of the message boards is now making Dr. Paul guilty by extension: "When it's part of his rallies, his mantra and his organization, then by extension, Rand Paul's stomping the head of that woman."

Next we will hear Rand Paul stomped on her head.

As far as your thug life examples, don't you think you are obsessing a bit? Do you have a running database?  ;)

The "stomper" wants Valle to apologize to him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/27/rand-paul-supporter-tim-profitt_n_774614.html

Here is what some a calling "raw video" of what might have precipitated this event. I cannot vouch for the authenticity.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yiLeud-sxrM[/youtube]

For those that cannot open it up, it depicts a woman in a red shirt with blond hair running up to Paul's vehicle and trying to poke a white sign into a window.

Based on Guido's video, she wasn't a peaceful protestor, she charged the vehicle.  It also looks like she was wearing a hoodie as she waited.  Seriously ask yourself if those around her weren't just slightly worried about her intentions: hoodie, wig, charge vehicle with candidate arriving. 

She was a moron for trying to pull something that stupid.  No it doesn't absolve anyone else for their actions, but it casts a whole lot of doubt about her being a member of moveon being a reason for it.

I am pretty sure at the time of the take down and shoulder/head stomp (I think thats a 200 point combo btw) it was pretty obvious she wasn't carrying a razor sign of death.  If Rand Paul/his driver/his security feared for his life they would have driven off.  It has no bearing on Rand Paul what happened. 

You have said you stand by your statement of thuggery.  If that is really true, she should have expected a response she would not like. 

I like the variation of a traffic rule:  Just because you have the right-of-way, don't force the issue and make yourself dead right.

Again, assuming the video has not been tampered with and is accurate, it at least provides a little more context to what happened. I seem to recall how "context" was oh so important over the Sherrod mess.

Aye, she approached once with her death sign.  Was pulled away, then fearful for his life he walked through the crowd.  She then comes back to try to give him the sign before he gets away and is caught again.

You know what they say, fool me once shame on your, fool me twice, stomp your head.

200 point combo... awesome!

Do you believe it was not?

Conan, your use of "libtard" goes against your dislike of some of the other disagreeable adjectives on the forum.

Yeah, but it's my epithet... that's different

This is my new favorite saying. I've used it with my admin assistant twice in the last five minutes.  

She now thinks I'm creepy.  Er.  MORE creepy.

Yeah, kinda like my use of 'tea-bagger' offends some people, even though it was the tea-partiers themselves that coined the phrase.  But that's just semantics.

And it's like Paul has to really be scared of those big bad gun-packin' libruls.  Oh, wait a minute...

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Fine, you are right. Valle was just some lost lamb in the woods, minding her own business, and then some thug without any reason or provocation stomped on her head. I wish you were as equally concerned about the person that stomped on the Rand support's recently repaired foot.

And for the record, what happened should never have happened and it should be investigated thoroughly.

Post of the Week material right there.

Libtard doesn't conjure the type of images tea b***ing does though...nasty.

I seriously fail to see where libtard is even remotely offensive.  Should I be saying mentally-challenged liberals instead?

I'll bet a cold Marshalls Valle will be represented by Gloria Allred within a week or two.

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Exactly, blonde hair and a red hood.  Although it was the Profitt who was doing the riding.  Rand Paul had every right for punching her in the face for trying to plunge the death sign causing serious injury.  Watching the video I assumed that the guy stomped her head by accident.  But he doesn't say that, he says that he was sorry that it came to that.  And he wants an apology from her (I guess you were right, he did hurt his foot).

There is a silver lining to all of this.  Profitt got a job on the stomp tour!  http://www.stomponline.com/show.php

http://www.specialolympics.org/spread-the-word-to-end-the-word.aspx (http://www.specialolympics.org/spread-the-word-to-end-the-word.aspx)

To the RWRE, nothing spouted by the Murdoch/Rove cabal is offensive, hence the term 'libtard', as well as many others - just listen to Hannity, Limbaugh, and their ilk for examples.

But tea-bagger is not only the self-nominated term of choice, but amazingly accurate and concise, too.

I can hardly wait for the Aqua Buddha action figure and bobble-head toys to appear!  
Oh, wait - it's out!  I can buy it now for about $23.00!!!!

http://www.amazon.com/Royal-Bobbles-RBGWBush-George-Bobblehead/dp/B00470Q6G6

Unfortunately for Valle, though, there is no such silver lining. She will never be appearing on America's Next Top Model:

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You are right, she is of less value as a person because she isn't as good looking as a model.

I bet she can make it on Dancing With The Scars, Hell's Kitchen, or some such thing.

Guido guido guido...that's sad you think that way.  Sad emoticon placed here in this general area.

Well, let's look at her associates then?

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And is this lost lamb vandalizing a ship:

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Now I see why that guy stomped her head.  He was trying to make her face symettrical so she had value.

Notice the right side of her mouth is lower than the other (would be her left)

I do definitely like the idea that we're still finding reasons unrelated to the actual incident that suggest she might deserve a good face stomping. 

Anyone have any good stories about her childhood? 

I do definitely like the idea that we're ignoring the Rand supporter that got her foot stomped. Doesn't fit the meme I guess.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_SIo27pYgo[/youtube]

You're right, it doesn't really fit.  Feel free to keep talking about it, though.

Any news about how her foot is doing?  Do they have her assailant in custody?  Does this fit into a larger pattern of intimidation, violence, or general call for uprising? 

Above all, do we have some way to determine if the woman with the broken foot deserved it or not?

I will help with the investigation.  There was a man there that night that does appear to like to stomp on women.

And I had no idea what you were talking about.  I had to search long and hard to find anything on the other alleged stomping (one line in a head stomping).  It does seem like the work of the Kentucky Lady Stomper.

I guess the foot stomped woman has no value. sniff sniff

She ugly?

Hard to tell if she deserved it or not. I will check the video to see if she wore a hoodie, donned a wig, charged up to Rand Paul's vehicle, and jammed an object in his face. Maybe she also was a moveon.org/greenpeace supporting sh!t disturber as well.

And as for "deserving it", I never made that point. Only that the immediate portrayal of Valle as an innocent bystander just minding her own business has been thoroughly discredited by the subsequent video showing her rushing Paul's vehicle in a damned disguise and that she has a history of making herself the story.

Is that on his website somewhere?  He demands "stompings"?

"Rand Stomp"

I think the other person was taking turns stomping somebody else.  The two people got out of sync and accidentally double stomping somebody.  Leading to the police report.  While I was stomping on somebody this crazy man stomped on my foot!

Actually, when I find I need a balance reset, I listen to Savage. He makes me look and sound like a school girl.
 ummmmmm that didn't come out right.......

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ky-police-arrests-rand-paul-activist-assault/story?id=11986106 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ky-police-arrests-rand-paul-activist-assault/story?id=11986106)


RAND STOMP

Kinda funny that you keep harping on this when there doesn't seem to be any real information on it to even discuss.  Someone who had recently had surgery on her foot got it stepped on at a rally. I'm sure a lot of feet get stepped on at these things, so why should we be surprised here?  We don't know anything beyond that.  Not even a mention of if it was melicious or not.  So yeah, I think ignoring your red herring would be a good choice on this one.

I think this thread needs fish:

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I guess it is only national news if a tea bagger gets violent:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k23zO8aV-KU&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPIP-i3sdVk&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Youtube?  Heck, that's international Guido.  HUGE

Yep. But funny that you had no condemnation. Townsend Townsend Townsend...that's sad you think that way.  Sad emoticon placed here in this general area.

Oh c'mon. You can do better than that Guidolicious.  Come up with your own.  Don't copy.

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I changed the names... :)

Ky. senator Rand Paul detained at BNA


http://www.wsmv.com/story/16578487/ky-senator-rand-paul-detained-at-bna (http://www.wsmv.com/story/16578487/ky-senator-rand-paul-detained-at-bna)



Edited to add:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/01/23/don_t_touch_rand_paul_s_junk.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/01/23/don_t_touch_rand_paul_s_junk.html)

http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/23/rand-paul-vs-hillary-clinton-on-benghazi

Rand Paul vs. Hillary Clinton on Benghazi: Campaign 2016 Begins?

Bring this fight on! Randy would get %35 vote....another landslide!

By saying something only Rand Paul could say, on ABC's "This Week"...

"And like I say, if, you know, if dueling were legal in Kentucky, if they keep it up, you know, it would be a duel challenge. But I can't do that, because I can't hold office in Kentucky then."

I wonder how proud Daddy is of Son.

 ;D

Snowflake BS moment... "attacked"...he obviously doesn't understand what the word means.   He was yelled at and never touched - that is NOT an attack.   In an attack you would have 7 bullets in your back.   Learn the English language, Rand Paul.!


https://www.yahoo.com/gma/sen-rand-paul-says-attacked-092626817.html