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Title: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on May 04, 2010, 12:50:54 pm
...means stay out of the territory a dog by nature will defend.

The responding officer said as he was approaching the house, a pit bull charged at him. Investigators say the officer pulled out his gun and fired multiple rounds at the dog. Police say it appears one of the bullets ricocheted off an unknown object and struck the dog's owner who was standing nearby.

Just last month, a similar incident happened in the 2700 block of S.W. 30th Street.
In that case, police were responding to a burglary call when a vicious dog charged at the responding officers. Investigators say one of the officers pulled out his weapon and fired one shot at the dog. The bullet missed the dog, ricocheted and hit the other officer in the leg.


Not much has changed since...

A federal lawsuit filed against the city of Bixby by a couple whose golden retriever was shot by a police officer last June has been settled, attorneys for both sides said Monday.

John and Cathy Benzinger alleged in the Feb. 14 lawsuit that the city failed to train its police officers adequately to handle incidents in which a dog is confronted on its owner's property.

The complaint also named Police Chief Anthony Stephens and the former officer, Cory Forister, as defendants.

Forister shot the Benzingers' dog, Fluppy, on June 5 while responding to a burglar alarm at their home. Forister claimed that he was menaced by the dog, which was tethered in the back yard.

An internal investigation found no criminal wrongdoing on Forister's part, but it found that he failed to use other options before resorting to lethal force.

(the plaintiff's attorney) said the Benzingers are pleased that new officers will not be given "a badge and a gun with no training on what to do when a dog barks at them."

Forister was fired last summer after he was accused of making an obscene gesture while being filmed by television news crews while he was taking the class.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: sgrizzle on May 04, 2010, 01:01:49 pm
You know how utility workers protect themselves from dogs? An umbrella.

not kidding

http://www.bite-terminator.com/order.html


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on May 04, 2010, 01:07:03 pm
You know how utility workers protect themselves from dogs? An umbrella.

not kidding

http://www.bite-terminator.com/order.html

I had completely forgotten about that.  I did a summer job of reading meters for ONG.  Definatly causes a problem when there are mean dogs out there.  I never carried the umbrella, but I know some who did.  I just learned how to go over a six foot fence real fast


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on May 04, 2010, 05:11:20 pm
During the 2007 ice storm, PSO took care of dogs in the back yard by driving on by.  While I couldn't expect them to give an exact time of arrival, I did expect they could knock on the door to make sure the dogs were inside.  I was told on the phone that after the crew showed up, they couldn't waste the time to knock on the door.  They could take the time to drive here and then leave without doing anything.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on May 04, 2010, 10:59:28 pm
You know how utility workers protect themselves from dogs? An umbrella.

Ah, the Marry Poppins attack protocol.  Insidious.
 


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: YoungTulsan on May 05, 2010, 01:20:45 am
During the 2007 ice storm, PSO took care of dogs in the back yard by driving on by.  While I couldn't expect them to give an exact time of arrival, I did expect they could knock on the door to make sure the dogs were inside.  I was told on the phone that after the crew showed up, they couldn't waste the time to knock on the door.  They could take the time to drive here and then leave without doing anything.

During the 2007 ice storm, they were going house to house, one after another.  I doubt the people on the field were given a list along their route of everyone's contact numbers.  Even if they were (which is wishful thinking), your phone number on file with the power company may be your home # or cell # while you are currently in hearing range of the opposite.  What do you expect?

Workers' safety is much more important than your own personal convenience or Fido.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: YoungTulsan on May 05, 2010, 01:23:13 am
In the case of an officer responding to an emergency or threat call, they cannot simply say "This looks like a dog may attack me" and turn around and leave (and/or go on a wild goose chase to establish contact with the dogs owners) - Time is a factor.  If you call the cops and say someone is about to kick your door down and rape you, they may have to open fire on Fido.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on May 05, 2010, 07:02:07 am
During the 2007 ice storm, they were going house to house, one after another.  I doubt the people on the field were given a list along their route of everyone's contact numbers.  Even if they were (which is wishful thinking), your phone number on file with the power company may be your home # or cell # while you are currently in hearing range of the opposite.  What do you expect?

Workers' safety is much more important than your own personal convenience or Fido.

When I called, the time of going house to house had passed, if indeed they ever did that in our neighborhood.  I agree that the workers safety is important which is why I would be sure to put the dogs inside the house when the workers are present.  I cannot keep the dogs inside 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  They need to relieve themselves occasionally.  When the workers are specifically responding to a call from me and they take the time to drive to our neighborhood in response to my call, I expect them to knock on the door to make sure the dogs are inside rather than drive on.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on May 05, 2010, 07:07:28 am
In the case of an officer responding to an emergency or threat call, they cannot simply say "This looks like a dog may attack me" and turn around and leave (and/or go on a wild goose chase to establish contact with the dogs owners) - Time is a factor.  If you call the cops and say someone is about to kick your door down and rape you, they may have to open fire on Fido.

Not all of the pet dog shootings in recent history have been in response to "If you call the cops and say someone is about to kick your door down and rape you". 


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: sgrizzle on May 05, 2010, 08:32:22 am
Not all of the pet dog shootings in recent history have been in response to "If you call the cops and say someone is about to kick your door down and rape you". 

I never knew criminals announced their intentions other than in superhero movies.
"Hey, open up, I want to rape you. If you don't open up, I'll kick your door down and the cops can't stop me because they will be scared of your dog."


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on May 05, 2010, 11:26:22 am
I never knew criminals announced their intentions other than in superhero movies.
"Hey, open up, I want to rape you. If you don't open up, I'll kick your door down and the cops can't stop me because they will be scared of your dog."

Are you related to the Bixby cop that shot a tied up Golden Retreiver?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Conan71 on May 05, 2010, 11:39:33 am

"Hey, open up, I want to rape you.


That's just wrong...


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: YoungTulsan on May 05, 2010, 01:34:26 pm
You think the police response would be quicker if you told that to dispatch? :D


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: DolfanBob on May 05, 2010, 01:53:34 pm
How bout role reversal. Criminal shoots K-9 dog set loose on him.
Total different set of circumstances and charges. It's still a dead dog.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on May 06, 2010, 12:15:42 pm
How bout role reversal. Criminal shoots K-9 dog set loose on him.
Total different set of circumstances and charges. It's still a dead dog.

A citizen fending off an attacking K9 is considered assault on a police officer.
A police officer shooting at a dog tied up is...


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on May 16, 2010, 02:06:24 pm
Be warned this is hard to watch.

This Missouri "narcotics raid" netted a man with a trace of pot resin in a pipe.
Police shot the family's corgi (who survived) immediately as the door opened, then advanced to the kitchen where they killed the second dog locked in a pet crate.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbwSwvUaRqc[/youtube]

The police chief declared the shootings "justified" but later said "We realize we did some things wrong, We've fixed those things. The public can be assured that a similar incident will not happen again."
Beside finding no drugs, the chief said their intelligence also failed to indicate the man's wife and 7-year old child would be home during the pre-dawn raid.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Conan71 on May 17, 2010, 08:41:52 am
Good thing it wasn't one of the kids locked in the pet crate...


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: CharlieSheen on May 17, 2010, 09:32:52 am
Pfft.. This is childs play.  You didn't hear about the mayor of a small town they broke down their door and killed their pets?  Drug dealers will send drugs to your house and then pick up the UPS package before you can get to it.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/07/mayor.warrant/ (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/07/mayor.warrant/)

So no, you aren't safe just because you obey the law.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on May 18, 2010, 10:34:43 am
Good thing it wasn't one of the kids locked in the pet crate...

You dont need to cage a 7-year old to shoot them, just kick in the door and fire away.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g_pIuAhdzGl-lCCGzVbN5VxEYHrwD9FOSOGO3


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Conan71 on May 18, 2010, 01:15:01 pm
You dont need to cage a 7-year old to shoot them, just kick in the door and fire away.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g_pIuAhdzGl-lCCGzVbN5VxEYHrwD9FOSOGO3

Makes you wonder if the TV cameras were a factor in the poor judgement used by the cops in this case. It's one thing acting out scripted adrenaline-laced heroics, quite another when those aren't blanks in the gun and real lives are at stake.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on May 20, 2010, 01:33:52 pm
Makes you wonder if the TV cameras were a factor in the poor judgement used by the cops in this case. It's one thing acting out scripted adrenaline-laced heroics, quite another when those aren't blanks in the gun and real lives are at stake.

Some say TV crews on raids increase accountability, while others say it causes showboating.


All joking aside, maybe more scrutiny should be given to police who snuff dogs they encounter.

Officer Joseph Weekley (who shot the 7-year-old Detroit girl in the head) is also currently named along with other SWAT members in a federal lawsuit, filed in 2009, claiming they shot two dogs and pointed guns at children during a raid in 2007.
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/23608633/detail.html

Three years before a 7-year-old girl was shot during a Detroit police special response team raid, officers from the same unit opened fire during a raid on a home that also contained children, according to lawsuits.
On Feb. 8, 2007, special response team officers raided a home on the city's near-west side with a search warrant seeking evidence against a man arrested in an armed robbery. According to suits filed last year in Wayne County Circuit and U.S. District courts, police shot two dogs "without any justifiable reason whatsoever" in a room near a child.

http://www.freep.com/article/20100519/NEWS01/5190360/1318/Teen-slaying-led-to-police-shooting-/Special-police-team-sued-in-07-dog-shooting-incident

(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/net/20100519/capt.99af59a3771fd087f57b3bdc5a27621a.jpeg?x=400&y=307&q=85&sig=K.YypG5MkFsRf4_.BsMaZQ--)


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: zstyles on July 02, 2010, 11:29:20 am
Well since it was a pit bull they should have been shot at birth so the officer should be given a medal for trying to do what the owners should have done or the vet.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Hoss on July 02, 2010, 12:00:43 pm
Well since it was a pit bull they should have been shot at birth so the officer should be given a medal for trying to do what the owners should have done or the vet.

Wow, that's BS.  Pit Bulls are agressive because their owners make them that way.  Sure, they're a type of dog with a predisposition to that, but if trained properly, these dogs are just as placid and peaceful as you'll ever find.  They are also very loyal and fun to play with.  To say they should be shot at birth is ignorant.

Makes me wanna say something like 'go DIAF' but I'll refrain from that.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Townsend on July 02, 2010, 12:07:15 pm
Someone's flying their "I'm a hemorrhoid" flag today.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Conan71 on July 02, 2010, 12:12:02 pm
Well since it was a pit bull they should have been shot at birth so the officer should be given a medal for trying to do what the owners should have done or the vet.

Great logic!!! They need to snuff out roosters too, they are mean little bastards.  I think perhaps they could go after the entire geese population as well.  Ever been pecked all to hell if you get too close to their nest?

/snark


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Hoss on July 02, 2010, 12:17:07 pm
Great logic!!! They need to snuff out roosters too, they are mean little bastards.  I think perhaps they could go after the entire geese population as well.  Ever been pecked all to hell if you get too close to their nest?

/snark

Good thing I was on vacation today; would've owned the company a keyboard...


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on July 02, 2010, 12:42:02 pm
I have to agree with Hoss (oh geez) that breeds of dogs are not vicious.  Individual dogs or maybe even a breeding line (just like human families) can be prone to bad behavior but not an entire breed.  

Edit: need a spell check here at work.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Conan71 on July 02, 2010, 01:00:45 pm
Oh, and melt down all the guns too because they spontaneously attack people all the time without input from their owner.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on July 02, 2010, 01:08:51 pm
I'll agree and dissagree with Hoss.  How the dogs are raised make a big differance in how they behave.  That being said, all dog breeds have a varying tendancy to be agressive regardless of training, with some breeds being at a higher risk than others to turn or be excessivly aggressive.  Doesn't justify shooting the breed at birth, however, since even the most risky breeds have a low percentage of dogs that turn when properly trained.  I consider this factor, and their ability to do harm if they turn, when factoring in if they are to be a family pet (with kids in the house).   I won't have a pit, among several others, because of the high risk combined with the fact that they can do a lot of damage if they do turn.  It might be differant if I did not have kids, but that is always a factor.  Other dog breeds I put on this list are rots, chows and dalmations.  I also put Great Danes on the list even though they are one of the most loyal breeds out there because, to be honest, they scare the hell out of me with their potential.  Chihuahua's are not on the list despite their aggresive tendancies because they really can't hurt anything bigger than a newborn (and anyone that would leave a newborn with any animal is an idiot).  It just gets to me when people buy into this media stereotyping of dog breeds like that, and make asanine comments like shooting them at birth.  


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on July 02, 2010, 01:09:42 pm
Oh, and melt down all the guns too because they spontaneously attack people all the time without input from their owner.
Guns don't kill people, bullets do.  Just get rid of all of the ammo and we will be good. :D


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Conan71 on July 02, 2010, 01:17:23 pm
Guns don't kill people, bullets do.  Just get rid of all of the ammo and we will be good. :D

Bayonets can kill and pistol-whipping too.  Melt 'em down.  NOW!


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on July 02, 2010, 02:41:39 pm
Bayonets can kill and pistol-whipping too.  Melt 'em down.  NOW!
If you don't have a pistol to pisto-whip people, then you will be forced to use your cell phone.  Then everyone would complain to apple that their Iphones aren't made tough enough to beludgeon someone without sustaining considerable damage.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Conan71 on July 02, 2010, 02:46:26 pm
If you don't have a pistol to pisto-whip people, then you will be forced to use your cell phone.  Then everyone would complain to apple that their Iphones aren't made tough enough to beludgeon someone without sustaining considerable damage.

I wonder how the reception is on the iPhone 4 when they are being used for iPhone-whipping?  You suppose Apple tested them for that?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on July 02, 2010, 02:49:52 pm
I wonder how the reception is on the iPhone 4 when they are being used for iPhone-whipping?  You suppose Apple tested them for that?
It's being called the "Iphone Death Grip" for a reason


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on August 01, 2010, 10:00:03 pm
Catoosa PD shoots between the eyes:

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Catoosa-PD-Shoots-Kills-Dog/1xJEd-0tSUqsadQCRkJBRg.cspx

My mailman just carries pepper spray...


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Hoss on August 01, 2010, 10:14:37 pm
Catoosa PD shoots between the eyes:

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Catoosa-PD-Shoots-Kills-Dog/1xJEd-0tSUqsadQCRkJBRg.cspx

My mailman just carries pepper spray...

"mechanically euthenized (sic)"?

You have GOT to be kidding me!

Just have the cajones to say it.  I killed the dog.  Wow.

That, and the fact that it was a boxer, and not a pit bull.  While they appear similar, their dispositions are a lot tamer.  This policeman needlessly killed this dog.  That's what mace/pepper spray are for.

Quote
Catoosa Police says they are trained to shoot an aggressive animal once in the head if they are threatened


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Conan71 on August 02, 2010, 09:07:06 am
After winding up in a couple of scary sprints with dogs on my bike, one of my cycling buddies told me to shout "NO!" and/or "STOP!" at an attacking dog.  The couple or three times I've tried it, it's worked so far.  Beats the hell out of trying to find a place to safely put a pistol or pepper spray on a bike.

I'm wondering if the cop thought to try that before he "mechanically euthanized" the dog?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on August 02, 2010, 09:11:48 am
After winding up in a couple of scary sprints with dogs on my bike, one of my cycling buddies told me to shout "NO!" and/or "STOP!" at an attacking dog.  The couple or three times I've tried it, it's worked so far.  Beats the hell out of trying to find a place to safely put a pistol or pepper spray on a bike.
I'm wondering if the cop thought to try that before he "mechanically euthanized" the dog?

The police officer, Keith Prince, arrived before animal control officers. He said he shot the dog between the eyes in the street because the animal growled and lunged toward him.

Neighbors of Williams say the officer exited his vehicle with his gun unholstered and shot the dog in Williams’ yard unprovoked, Williams said.


http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100802_11_0_CATOOS625724


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: DolfanBob on August 02, 2010, 10:27:00 am
The Satellite Dish installers said the dog was chasing them around. Didnt say a thing about it trying to bite them.
Tough guy with a gun, gets out of his car and doesnt even try to find out if the dog is mean or not. He has a reason(in his mind)to shoot something other than a target at a range, So he takes aim and shoots this persons pet.
What a loser. I think he probably had a taser strapped to that arsenal belt of his or maybe a can of mace.
Nope. Great time to discharge my firearm. Heck who knows. There might be a Catoosa medal of honor involved.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Cherish on August 05, 2010, 12:16:44 am
This makes me sick.  I think cops are taking vengence out for old Buttercup (their horse) since Buttercup was dog food back in the day.

Buttercup....Butternuts!!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKFVUiJarco[/youtube]


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on August 08, 2010, 09:50:21 am
Never heard what became of this one:

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/10-Year-Olds-Dog-Shot-By-Police/CdNbaXOsLk-0Z0hezx6tpA.cspx

Again, the witnesses statements differ from the cop that did the shooting.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on August 10, 2010, 10:31:47 am

Officer Shoots Dog In Jenks
How to avoid a vicious dog, or a dog protecting its territory.  A Jenks officer says he was forced to shoot a family pet after the dog charged at him.  It happened early Sunday, leaving the dog wounded.

The dog's owner, Kenny Foos, says it all started when his neighbor got upset the dog was barking, and started pounding on the fence.

"The neighbor comes home who lives behind me and starts kicking the fence cause the dog's outside. The next thing I know, he's yelling at me, we're yelling back and forth," says Foos.


"Our officers went to the fence and told the man he had to put his dog up before they would go into the backyard. The officers recognized it as a pitbull or a pitbull mix so he put the dog up," says Jenks Police Chief Don Selle.

According to the police report, the dog, named Biffle, began running toward the irate neighbor and the officers.

"The dog according to one of our officers went after the officer and the other officer yelled at the dog, the dog made a turn and went after him. He pulled his weapon and fired at the dog hitting the dog in the leg," says Selle.

Biffle was taken to a local vet, but Foos says he could not afford the $500 bill and is treating Biffle at home.

The Jenks Police Department says it has had two officers bitten by dogs in the past year.  They say mace typically doesn't work and although there's no specific policy, they've used guns to protect themselves if they feel threatened by an animal.


http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Officer-Shoots-Dog-In-Jenks/Bn4aIdsDd0KJiW0V3dIfEg.cspx


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on September 21, 2010, 11:56:23 am
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mvIWFXbHNo[/youtube]


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Breadburner on September 22, 2010, 12:53:46 am
Keep those pets on a leash.....


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: guido911 on September 22, 2010, 02:38:25 pm
Keep those pets on a leash.....
But then this could happen:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LrFEbxWzXI&feature=related[/youtube]


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Breadburner on September 22, 2010, 09:16:36 pm
Or this....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGUyMFPJRnU[/youtube]


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on September 22, 2010, 09:37:28 pm
Or this....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGUyMFPJRnU[/youtube]

That dog has a real discipline problem. 


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Breadburner on September 22, 2010, 09:41:11 pm
Had.....lol.....


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on September 22, 2010, 09:41:26 pm

The dog's owner, Kenny Foos, says it all started when his neighbor got upset the dog was barking, and started pounding on the fence.

That doesn't seem to be a particularly effective way to get dog to stop barking.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on September 23, 2010, 09:08:30 pm
That doesn't seem to be a particularly effective way to get dog to stop barking.

Like in the Taser video above, you taunt a dog enough, it will respond.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on October 08, 2010, 10:21:28 am
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYQD-btqhKg[/youtube]


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Conan71 on October 08, 2010, 10:27:58 am
Haven't you posted this one on another thread in the past?  This happened some time back, I was thinking.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on October 29, 2010, 11:13:55 am
HYDRO — People are questioning whether police could have found an alternative to killing a man's poodle while he was in jail for breaking the dog out of the pound.

The ruckus started about two weeks ago when 73-year-old Edwin Fry used bolt cutters to free the dog, Buddy Tough, and left on his riding lawn mower with the animal on his lap.

Police arrested Fry at gunpoint a few miles from the city kennel and took the dog, Buddy Tough.

Fry said he couldn't pay the $100 it would take to free his dog legally and didn't want the animal put down.

(With Fry still in jail,) Hydro's police chief told a local newspaper publisher the dog was held for three days, placed in a box and killed with carbon monoxide from the exhaust pipe of a police car.

Read more: http://newsok.com/death-sentence-for-mans-poodle-stirs-debate-in-hydro/article/3509123?custom_click=headlines_widget#ixzz13lfAZQUc


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Hoss on October 29, 2010, 11:38:02 am
HYDRO — People are questioning whether police could have found an alternative to killing a man's poodle while he was in jail for breaking the dog out of the pound.

The ruckus started about two weeks ago when 73-year-old Edwin Fry used bolt cutters to free the dog, Buddy Tough, and left on his riding lawn mower with the animal on his lap.

Police arrested Fry at gunpoint a few miles from the city kennel and took the dog, Buddy Tough.

Fry said he couldn't pay the $100 it would take to free his dog legally and didn't want the animal put down.

(With Fry still in jail,) Hydro's police chief told a local newspaper publisher the dog was held for three days, placed in a box and killed with carbon monoxide from the exhaust pipe of a police car.

Read more: http://newsok.com/death-sentence-for-mans-poodle-stirs-debate-in-hydro/article/3509123?custom_click=headlines_widget#ixzz13lfAZQUc

Proof positive I live in the most backward state in this nation.  Wow...


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on March 26, 2011, 12:21:29 pm
Proof positive I live in the most backward state in this nation.  Wow...

Not as bad as gassing a dog with a tailpipe, but still pretty outrageous.
An officer holding a dog while the other one tases it, then shoots it three times.  That had to be a sight.

(http://media2.wcpo.com//photo/migration/2010/04/14/A38A8C6772F7D440A537997FBC8D3579_20100414070504_320_240.JPG)
http://www2.wcpo.com/dpp/news/region_east_cincinnati/blue_ash/Family-Outraged-After-Officer-Shoots-Their-Dog

CINCINNATI -- A Blue Ash family is outraged after returning home to find their dog had been shot and killed by a police officer.

The dog was a Chihuahua-mix named “Jack” that Scott and Sharon Bullock had given to their 12-year-old son for his birthday a few years ago.

When the Bullocks returned home from a family member's funeral on Friday, they found blood and three bullets on their front porch – along with a note to call the Blue Ash Police Department about their dog.

The Bullocks were shocked to learn that Jack had gotten out of the backyard and two officers who tried to catch him, ended up shooting and killing him right on the family's front porch.

"He was cornered on the porch and scared," said Sharon Bullock. "The officer bent down bare-handed to pick up Jack, and Jack bit him."

They're wondering why the officers didn't call the SPCA to catch the dog.

"They didn't make that phone call other than to come scoop the dog off the porch after they shot him," said Scott Bullock. "Two grown men that can't gather up a five-pound dog – and they're trained police officers – sounds ridiculous to me."

An officer attempted to tase the dog while another officer was holding him, but it did not work, so they had to shoot the animal.

Blue Ash police say the officers handled the situation according to department policy.


The department later ticketed the family for failing to register the dog.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: ZYX on March 26, 2011, 12:26:25 pm
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Blue Ash police say the officers handled the situation according to department policy.

Honestly? Maybe if this were a pit bull, but a chihuahua?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on March 26, 2011, 12:57:22 pm
Honestly? Maybe if this were a pit bull, but a chihuahua?

I see you buy into the theory that all dogs of a particular breed are vicious.  How do you feel about other races of people?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on March 26, 2011, 03:34:12 pm
I see you buy into the theory that all dogs of a particular breed are vicious.  How do you feel about other races of people?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on March 26, 2011, 06:09:42 pm
I see you buy into the theory that all dogs of a particular breed are vicious.  How do you feel about other races of people?
Funny, I saw that comment as if they were dealing with an aggressive dog it would be understandable for them to use this kind of force on a formidable one like a pitt bull, not one that would be lucky to break skin when it bit.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on March 26, 2011, 09:11:55 pm
Funny, I saw that comment as if they were dealing with an aggressive dog it would be understandable for them to use this kind of force on a formidable one like a pitt bull, not one that would be lucky to break skin when it bit.

I saw it as a stereotypical assumption that a breed of dog is always vicious and totally uncalled for.  If ZYX had said something along the line of a large threatening dog, I would have let it pass.  I still would have probably given the dog the benefit of doubt regarding being surrounded by threatening strangers on his/her property. 

Certainly a large dog can inflict more damage than a small one.  Any animal when cornered will try to defend itself. Dogs will also try to defend their property.  There have been several instances where the police were a bit to quick on the draw to eliminate a "threatening" pet. 

Our family has had German Shepherd dogs for 50 years. My mother has been active in dog Obedience Training for showing in AKC (and more recently UKC) Obedience trials a few years more than that.  In the 60s, German Shepherds and Dobermans had a really bad, mostly undeserved as a breed, reputation.  Within a breed, any particular blood-line (family) can have undesirable traits.  Individual dogs can be made to be vicious by training.  That is not reason to condemn the entire breed. It's actually more of a reason to condemn the dog's owner.  I remember a picture at "dog school" in the 60s of the young (4?) daughter of one of the trainers biting the leg of a Doberman.  The caption was: "Really now, which one is vicious".

I really do see prejudice against a breed of dog as similar to racial prejudice among humans.  There was no attempt to hijack the thread with my comment.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on March 26, 2011, 09:48:25 pm
I saw it as a stereotypical assumption that a breed of dog is always vicious and totally uncalled for.  If ZYX had said something along the line of a large threatening dog, I would have let it pass.  I still would have probably given the dog the benefit of doubt regarding being surrounded by threatening strangers on his/her property. 

Certainly a large dog can inflict more damage than a small one.  Any animal when cornered will try to defend itself. Dogs will also try to defend their property.  There have been several instances where the police were a bit to quick on the draw to eliminate a "threatening" pet. 

Our family has had German Shepherd dogs for 50 years. My mother has been active in dog Obedience Training for showing in AKC (and more recently UKC) Obedience trials a few years more than that.  In the 60s, German Shepherds and Dobermans had a really bad, mostly undeserved as a breed, reputation.  Within a breed, any particular blood-line (family) can have undesirable traits.  Individual dogs can be made to be vicious by training.  That is not reason to condemn the entire breed. It's actually more of a reason to condemn the dog's owner.  I remember a picture at "dog school" in the 60s of the young (4?) daughter of one of the trainers biting the leg of a Doberman.  The caption was: "Really now, which one is vicious".

I really do see prejudice against a breed of dog as similar to racial prejudice among humans.  There was no attempt to hijack the thread with my comment.
If I had a vicious dog coming at me the breed would make a world of differance as to how I dealt with it, even large dogs.  I know that Pit Bulls were bred as fighters, hence their name, while German Shepherds have a more recent history of police dogs and Dobermens have a bloodline meant for attack/gaurd dogs.  Because of this, when each attack I know they will have a different threat level.  I know that what would stop the other two breeds would not always stop the Pit.  Can you honestly tell me that the difference in breeds does not make a difference in the level of threat a dog present when it is attacking? 

Other than that if you try to tell me that a dogs breeding does not effect it's tendancies at all than you are trully mislead.  Both nature and nurture play a part in these things.  Or do you also think that wolves, brought up from birth in captivity, will always be a good house pet?

Oh, and just to point out, Chihuahuas have a lot higher vicious nature than other dogs.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: ZYX on March 26, 2011, 09:56:12 pm
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I saw it as a stereotypical assumption that a breed of dog is always vicious and totally uncalled for.  If ZYX had said something along the line of a large threatening dog, I would have let it pass.  I still would have probably given the dog the benefit of doubt regarding being surrounded by threatening strangers on his/her property. 

Certainly a large dog can inflict more damage than a small one.  Any animal when cornered will try to defend itself. Dogs will also try to defend their property.  There have been several instances where the police were a bit to quick on the draw to eliminate a "threatening" pet. 

Our family has had German Shepherd dogs for 50 years. My mother has been active in dog Obedience Training for showing in AKC (and more recently UKC) Obedience trials a few years more than that.  In the 60s, German Shepherds and Dobermans had a really bad, mostly undeserved as a breed, reputation.  Within a breed, any particular blood-line (family) can have undesirable traits.  Individual dogs can be made to be vicious by training.  That is not reason to condemn the entire breed. It's actually more of a reason to condemn the dog's owner.  I remember a picture at "dog school" in the 60s of the young (4?) daughter of one of the trainers biting the leg of a Doberman.  The caption was: "Really now, which one is vicious".

I really do see prejudice against a breed of dog as similar to racial prejudice among humans.  There was no attempt to hijack the thread with my comment.
I have waited until now to respond to your post because I was not sure if you were joking or being serious. First off, I know that not all pit bulls are violent animals. My older sister actually has one which is even around her one year old daughter quite often. One of the sweetest dogs I have ever met. What I actually meant with my above post was more along the lines of that a pit bull is much more capable of hurting someone than a Chihuahua. Not that simply because it was a pit bull it would be violent. I do not see this as being similar to comparing races of people, but more like comparing a six year old with a stick to a six foot three 250 pound man.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on March 26, 2011, 10:09:45 pm
I do not see this as being similar to comparing races of people, but more like comparing a six year old with a stick to a six foot three 250 pound man.

That is obviously not the impression you left with me.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on March 26, 2011, 10:29:35 pm
If I had a vicious dog coming at me the breed would make a world of differance as to how I dealt with it, even large dogs.  I know that Pit Bulls were bred as fighters, hence their name, while German Shepherds have a more recent history of police dogs and Dobermens have a bloodline meant for attack/gaurd dogs.  Because of this, when each attack I know they will have a different threat level.  I know that what would stop the other two breeds would not always stop the Pit.  Can you honestly tell me that the difference in breeds does not make a difference in the level of threat a dog present when it is attacking? 

Other than that if you try to tell me that a dogs breeding does not effect it's tendancies at all than you are trully mislead.  Both nature and nurture play a part in these things.  Or do you also think that wolves, brought up from birth in captivity, will always be a good house pet?

Oh, and just to point out, Chihuahuas have a lot higher vicious nature than other dogs.

A vicious dog is a vicious dog.  A large vicious dog can certainly inflict more harm than a small one.   You may wish to consult with the AKC regarding "Pit bulls" and their breeding. The official name is along the line of Staffordshire Terrier, not Pit bull. (On Wikipedia they list 3 breeds often called "Pit Bulls".)  I would consider "Pit Bull" to be along the same level as "Junk Yard Dog".  Some unscrupulous breeders have certainly bred a line of undesirable dogs.  I believe that you still misunderstand the difference between a breed of dog and the particular blood line or family.  Wolves are not domesticated. They are NOT dogs.  Some are tame but that is not the same as domesticated.  Wolves do not make good pets.

An attack/guard dog is usually a highly trained dog, not a vicious dog.

Regarding Chihuahuas, the training director at the dog school where we started (in 1959) pointed out that small dogs are frequently like small people.  They have a need to prove their capabilities.  You are actually more likely to be bitten by a small dog than a large one.  The consequences of the bite are obviously different.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: ZYX on March 26, 2011, 10:35:55 pm
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The consequences of the bite are obviously different.

Exactly, so where was the need to shoot the dog three times??


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on March 26, 2011, 10:56:26 pm
Exactly, so where was the need to shoot the dog three times??

I don't see the need to shoot the dog even once without more info.  If a dog is backed into a "corner", there is probably reason to give the dog the benefit of doubt unless it displays aggressive behavior,  not defensive.

One of our dogs escaped from the fenced-in back yard many years ago.  I specifically called the Bixby Police to tell them she was basically a woose and not to shoot on sight.  We got her back without incident.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on March 26, 2011, 11:11:43 pm
A vicious dog is a vicious dog.  A large vicious dog can certainly inflict more harm than a small one.   You may wish to consult with the AKC regarding "Pit bulls" and their breeding. The official name is along the line of Staffordshire Terrier, not Pit bull. (On Wikipedia they list 3 breeds often called "Pit Bulls".)  I would consider "Pit Bull" to be along the same level as "Junk Yard Dog".  Some unscrupulous breeders have certainly bred a line of undesirable dogs.  I believe that you still misunderstand the difference between a breed of dog and the particular blood line or family.  Wolves are not domesticated. They are NOT dogs.  Some are tame but that is not the same as domesticated.  Wolves do not make good pets.

An attack/guard dog is usually a highly trained dog, not a vicious dog.

Regarding Chihuahuas, the training director at the dog school where we started (in 1959) pointed out that small dogs are frequently like small people.  They have a need to prove their capabilities.  You are actually more likely to be bitten by a small dog than a large one.  The consequences of the bite are obviously different.

Do you deny that an attacking Pit Bull is more of a threat than an attacking German Shephard?  I'm simply stating that they have a natural advantage, brought about through selective breeding, that makes them more dangerous in an attack.  My point with the wolf (yes, a hyperbole) was that not all K9s where created equally and that some breeds will be naturally more aggresive.  In any case, I degress.

Regardless of the breed shooting a dog that was not agressive until you cornered it was over the top and just plain stupid.  Doing so to a dog that would have to work at it a very long time to do any real harm is beyond stupid.  Of course, I'm the guy that has the German Shepherd that manged to bite a cop without any retaliation of any kind.  Well, we still haven't let him live it down, but I don't think it really bothers him any.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on March 27, 2011, 10:27:00 am
A couple of Google entries and I found this:

http://www.pitbulls.org/article/brief-history-american-pit-bull-terrier

Yes, I noticed the name of the organization.

Keep in mind that I am a German Shepherd guy.  I just don't want to see any breed of dog unjustly persecuted.  I will admit that within some particular families of pit bulls that aggressiveness is more evident.  I don't believe it to be breed wide.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on March 27, 2011, 10:40:17 am
But if you look at the numbers from the oppossing site, it paints a different picture

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

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According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states:

If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price.

Clifton's opinions are as interesting as his statistics. For example, he says, "Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other animals, if they are to be kept at all."


When choosing a dog for my home and family I take into consideration the natrual aggression of the breed as well as the potential for damage that can be caused by the breed.  While not all Pits and Rots are dangerous, I know that they do have a higher level of agression and if they did turn on my kids that would be the end of it.  I also don't like blue healers because they are overly territorial.  German Shephars are my large dog of choice.   It is all a matter of responsible ownership, while keeping breed tendancies in mind.  Cops need better training when dealing with dogs, period.  They use whatever justification they can in order to have free target practice on a live animal.  There are some attacks that  present a clear and present danger, and of those I would understand a response like this, but by and large it is beyond what is needed.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on March 27, 2011, 11:39:48 am
German Shephars are my large dog of choice.   It is all a matter of responsible ownership, while keeping breed tendancies in mind.  Cops need better training when dealing with dogs, period.  They use whatever justification they can in order to have free target practice on a live animal.  There are some attacks that  present a clear and present danger, and of those I would understand a response like this, but by and large it is beyond what is needed.

I agree with what I quoted above.  Perhaps you don't remember when German Shepherds had a reputation similar to what Pit Bulls have now.  My first favorite German Shepherd was a dog brought to obedience school because the dog discovered it was fun to kill the owner's pigs.  That dog went one to become a top performer in AKC Obedience trials and stopped killing pigs.  (Regularly got scores of 197 to 199-1/2 out of 200.  That dog and our Mini Poodle often took 1st and 2nd at a trial.)

Sometimes a particular dog goes bad in spite of a good upbringing.  Some unscrupulous breeders may find that desirable and perpetuate that.  If one of your kids turns out to be a Jeffery Dahlmer or something equally hideous, it would be unjust to call all Custosnoxs killers.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: guido911 on March 27, 2011, 12:22:28 pm
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XivhwO_zWWg[/youtube]

Awaiting PETA to weigh in...


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on March 27, 2011, 12:33:14 pm
I agree with what I quoted above.  Perhaps you don't remember when German Shepherds had a reputation similar to what Pit Bulls have now.  My first favorite German Shepherd was a dog brought to obedience school because the dog discovered it was fun to kill the owner's pigs.  That dog went one to become a top performer in AKC Obedience trials and stopped killing pigs.  (Regularly got scores of 197 to 199-1/2 out of 200.  That dog and our Mini Poodle often took 1st and 2nd at a trial.)

Sometimes a particular dog goes bad in spite of a good upbringing.  Some unscrupulous breeders may find that desirable and perpetuate that.  If one of your kids turns out to be a Jeffery Dahlmer or something equally hideous, it would be unjust to call all Custosnoxs killers.
I'm simply stating that different breeds have a higher likelihood towards aggression than others.  Mix that with natural ability to do damage and it gives reason to be wary. I'm not saying that every dog of a specific breed is bad.  But we are just going around in circles restating our opinions, so I think I'm going to jump off of this merry-go-round and let the sleeping dog lie.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on March 27, 2011, 12:37:38 pm
But if you look at the numbers from the oppossing site, it paints a different picture

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

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The breeds most likely to kill

In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:

"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)

The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results. According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.)

Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.) Since 1975, fatal attacks have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.

The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)

In Canine homicides and the dog bite epidemic: do not confuse them, it has been pointed out that the dog bite epidemic as a whole involves all dogs and all dog owners, not just the breeds most likely to kill.

In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that:

Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner or handler most often is responsible for making a dog into something dangerous.
An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).
Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be potentially dangerous. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.
To learn more about dog attacks, see Why dogs bite people To learn about how to take some of the bite out of the dog bite epidemic, see Attorney Kenneth Phillips' 10-point plan for Preventing Dog Bites.

Interesting section from your source.

When it comes to "I needs to get me a mean dog for protection.", I wonder how many such ignorant people would choose something like a toy poodle, a Lab, the Pomeranian mentioned above, or any dog that is not menacing by its visual appearance alone.  It probably skews the statistics.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on March 27, 2011, 12:40:33 pm
But we are just going around in circles restating our opinions, so I think I'm going to jump off of this merry-go-round and let the sleeping dog lie.

Also jumping.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on March 27, 2011, 12:41:57 pm
Cops need better training when dealing with dogs, period.  They use whatever justification they can in order to have free target practice on a live animal.  There are some attacks that  present a clear and present danger, and of those I would understand a response like this, but by and large it is beyond what is needed.

That department gave it's blessings to an officer holding the dog while another shot it with a Taser, so it may be a matter of policy, or the department atmosphere than a choice made by a "bad apple".


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on March 27, 2011, 12:46:28 pm
Interesting section from your source.

When it comes to "I needs to get me a mean dog for protection.", I wonder how many such ignorant people would choose something like a toy poodle, a Lab, the Pomeranian mentioned above, or any dog that is not menacing by its visual appearance alone.  It probably skews the statistics.
Oh, I know the site I posted is skewed, was just simply posting it as a counter to the one skewed the other direction.  Something I have figured out is when you take two sources at polar ends of a subject that you will likely find the truth falls somewhere in between with a mix from both.  The problem is figuring out what parts of each represents reality instead of the picture they wish to portray.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on March 27, 2011, 12:49:52 pm
That department gave it's blessings to an officer holding the dog while another shot it with a Taser, so it may be a matter of policy, or the department atmosphere than a choice made by a "bad apple".
Proper training would fall under policy as well.  It seems to me that there is a problem with the situation from top to bottom.  So the question is, how do you get it changed when it is so engrained?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on March 27, 2011, 01:00:31 pm
Oh, I know the site I posted is skewed, was just simply posting it as a counter to the one skewed the other direction.  

I was referring more to the fact that the statistics are skewed (in addition to both our sites) since the size and reputation of the dog make the reputation self-perpetuating. 

Looks like we both jumped with a bungee cord.   :D


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on March 27, 2011, 01:27:54 pm
I was referring more to the fact that the statistics are skewed (in addition to both our sites) since the size and reputation of the dog make the reputation self-perpetuating. 

Looks like we both jumped with a bungee cord.   :D
That was me hollering over my shoulder as I went off


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on March 27, 2011, 01:58:18 pm
That was me hollering over my shoulder as I went off

Pretty deep canyon.  I'm still listening for the "thud" ahead of me.   ;D


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on March 27, 2011, 02:04:32 pm
Pretty deep canyon.  I'm still listening for the "thud" ahead of me.   ;D
parachute.  Don't leave the ground without one.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on May 18, 2011, 10:01:56 am
The double-standards and incompetence are just stunning:

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Woman-Could-Be-Charged-After-Killing-Vicious-Dog/OeHGPHc2l0unDz3-FlWYkg.cspx


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on June 21, 2011, 10:41:57 pm
After they lost their home in a tornado, a dog catcher used a shotgun to kill their dogs:

NEWCASTLE, Oklahoma -- Despite the release of a police report, a Newcastle couple says they still have questions about what led up to the deadly shooting of their two dogs.

Bryan and April Stout put their dogs, Snuggles and Jack, with friends while they tried to get back on their feet after their home was destroyed in the May 24th tornado. According to a police report, the dogs escaped their kennel.

Animal Control Officer Tim Claypool lost his footing and says the dogs surrounded him. He says he kept them at bay with pepper spray and a catch pole. He called dispatch and requested a police officer be sent to his location.

Claypool waited until Newcastle police officer Chris Holden arrived to tranquilize one of the dogs, but says after 15 minutes the drug did not take effect.

He states in the report, he had to make a decision for the safety of the citizens because they were near a busy barber shop and farmer's market. Animal Control Officer Claypool says Newcastle Police Chief Gary Norman gave him authorization to use Officer Holden's 12 gauge shotgun to shoot both dogs.

"He acted within the scope of his employment as in the realm of his training that he's been given," Chief Norman said.

The report does not say the dogs attacked anyone.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: kylieosu on June 22, 2011, 07:35:29 am
After they lost their home in a tornado, a dog catcher used a shotgun to kill their dogs:

NEWCASTLE, Oklahoma -- Despite the release of a police report, a Newcastle couple says they still have questions about what led up to the deadly shooting of their two dogs.

Bryan and April Stout put their dogs, Snuggles and Jack, with friends while they tried to get back on their feet after their home was destroyed in the May 24th tornado. According to a police report, the dogs escaped their kennel.

Animal Control Officer Tim Claypool lost his footing and says the dogs surrounded him. He says he kept them at bay with pepper spray and a catch pole. He called dispatch and requested a police officer be sent to his location.

Claypool waited until Newcastle police officer Chris Holden arrived to tranquilize one of the dogs, but says after 15 minutes the drug did not take effect.

He states in the report, he had to make a decision for the safety of the citizens because they were near a busy barber shop and farmer's market. Animal Control Officer Claypool says Newcastle Police Chief Gary Norman gave him authorization to use Officer Holden's 12 gauge shotgun to shoot both dogs.

"He acted within the scope of his employment as in the realm of his training that he's been given," Chief Norman said.

The report does not say the dogs attacked anyone.

 :'( This is awful.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Conan71 on June 22, 2011, 09:19:17 am
Sad story, but the dogs apparently had this guy pinned for what sounds like 30 minutes and more humane methods to deal with the threat (traquilizers) failed.  What were they left to do?  Get attacked or worse yet, wait till the dogs got bored and decided to terrorize a four year old child?

Patric, are you implying they should not have done anything until the dogs attacked someone?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on June 22, 2011, 11:17:04 am
Sad story, but the dogs apparently had this guy pinned for what sounds like 30 minutes and more humane methods to deal with the threat (traquilizers) failed.  What were they left to do?  Get attacked or worse yet, wait till the dogs got bored and decided to terrorize a four year old child?

They had the dog catcher at their mercy -- until someone suggested he use his tranquilizer.
The catching pole can be used for more than just poking -- that's what the loop on the other end is for.
It was much safer, of course to, use a shotgun near a crowded area than to allow a dog to roam free...
Maybe he was actually trained as a cat catcher, or he was something related to cat...


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Teatownclown on June 22, 2011, 01:10:39 pm
Related....Rabid Dog Briefly Mistaken for Tea Party Candidate
Receives Standing Ovation at Missouri Rally


http://www.borowitzreport.com/2010/09/06/rabid-dog-briefly-mistaken-for-tea-party-candidate/

"JEFFERSON CITY, MO (The Borowitz Report) – A rabid Doberman Pinscher jumped on stage at a Tea Party rally in Missouri on Labor Day and barked at the crowd for nearly twenty minutes before people realized he was not a candidate.

The dog, later identified by its owner as “Mister Buster,” held the crowd spellbound as he barked, growled, and frothed at the mouth, eventually receiving a standing ovation for his exertions.

Gwendolene Thomason, 42, a Tea Party supporter from Jefferson City, was one of the hundreds on hand who were convinced that the Doberman was a Tea Party candidate until he was outed as a dog.

“I liked what he had to say,” she said.  ”He reminded me of Glenn Beck, only furrier.”

The Doberman’s canine identity finally became clear when he lunged at a man in the front row and wrested a hamburger from his right hand, taking two of the man’s fingers with it.

While the discovery that Mister Buster was not a Tea Party candidate disappointed many in attendance, Ms. Thomason held out hope that, dog or no, he might consider running for office at some point.

“I liked the way he bit off that guy’s hand, and the way he did his business in the middle of the stage,” she said.  ”We need more of that in Washington.”


 ;D


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Conan71 on June 22, 2011, 01:26:21 pm
Well played, TTAC!  Thanks for the laugh!


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on March 30, 2012, 08:34:23 pm
Loyal to the end -- dog killed guarding it's owner hit by a car.

(http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/images/17293358_BG4.jpg)


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on March 30, 2012, 08:38:38 pm
Loyal to the end -- dog killed guarding it's owner hit by a car.

(http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/images/17293358_BG4.jpg)

As much as I hate to see a dog shot, I think the police did the right thing.  I can only hope that if something happens to my mom with our German Shepherd with her that "Danny" will let someone help her.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: TheMindWillNotLetGo on March 30, 2012, 10:47:33 pm
only read the first page.  Sorry. :o


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on March 31, 2012, 08:31:57 am
As much as I hate to see a dog shot, I think the police did the right thing.  I can only hope that if something happens to my mom with our German Shepherd with her that "Danny" will let someone help her.

I might have easily conceded to that if the story hadn't changed from what was first reported.  In the wee hours, the first broadcasters on the scene reported what they were told:  That the dog was simply in the way... no attack, etc...  As the day progressed so did the story, to something more boiler-plate in it's justifications as the Facebook crowd registered their disgust at the shooting.

It's a shame no one thought to ask meter readers or letter carriers how they make it through their day without shooting someone's pet.

I cant confirm the video that frame was taken from was posted to KOTV's site then taken down, but the comments seem to suggest that.  It sure would have eliminated a lot of second-guessing, though, including how the injured man managed to not get shot.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: custosnox on March 31, 2012, 09:24:10 am
I might have easily conceded to that if the story hadn't changed from what was first reported.  In the wee hours, the first broadcasters on the scene reported what they were told:  That the dog was simply in the way... no attack, etc...  As the day progressed so did the story, to something more boiler-plate in it's justifications as the Facebook crowd registered their disgust at the shooting.

It's a shame no one thought to ask meter readers or letter carriers how they make it through their day without shooting someone's pet.

I cant confirm the video that frame was taken from was posted to KOTV's site then taken down, but the comments seem to suggest that.  It sure would have eliminated a lot of second-guessing, though, including how the injured man managed to not get shot.
In the photo the dog is in a defensive position, so I don't buy the "simply in the way".  And as someone who used to read meters, how they deal with the dogs is if there is an aggressive one in the yard, and they can't see the meter from outside the yard, they don't deal with them.  They skip it and go to the next.  Sorry, not an option for cops.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on September 07, 2012, 11:29:48 pm
The Rogers County District Attorney has asked the Rogers County Sheriff’s Office to re-open the investigation into the death of a dog found dragged on September 1st.
http://www.fox23.com/content/crime/story/Rogers-County-DA-asks-sheriff-to-reopen/OrcPKlO4AkKlCr-6rmVVHA.cspx


From https://www.facebook.com/WildHeartRanch
Lots of press calling me to get my reaction to this story. My crew's end of season party is tonight and I need to work on that. Im posting this to avoid living on the phone today.
Yesterday I heard for the first time that the man who came forward claimed he had shot "the dog" on the 29th.
Jetta was seen with her puppies the 30th and morning of the 31st. The dog he shot was 2 miles from Jetta's home. Her owners report she never left her yard, never left her puppies. Didnt make sense.
A man left a comment on the Tulsa World blog saying he saw a man putting a dead dog in a ditch a mile from where Jetta was found, 2 weeks ago. (2 miles from Jettas home, same location as the man who came forward) and he could ID the pickup. When I told the OAA that I suspected two different dogs, they sent me the comments from the man on the Tulsa World Blog and it all fit. The man who came forward claimed he did NOT tie her legs and drag the dog he shot, and did not know why they were bound and said he did not drag a dog, just moved it off his property because it stunk. (not possible if Jetta was seen Friday, even Thursday) and I also am experienced in caring for more than 18,000 orphaned and injured animals. I know what puppies who have been without mom for 3 days look like and those pups were FINE! They were not supplemented by the owners until Saturday. I put all this together in an email plus some additional information I had found along the way, and Patrick Abitbol sent it to the DA last night. This morning she requested the case be opened, agreeing that the man who came forward most likely had nothing to do with Jetta's death whatsoever.
Good news is confusion is resolved and case is back open. Bad news is Jetta WAS drug to her death and ker killer is still out there. $10,000 reward stands. Dont sent money or pledges in for this. If we need to pay, we will request help. Coach Barry Switzer is still very motivated to help us catch and prosecute the sick mind that did this.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 26, 2013, 07:09:45 pm
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ANADARKO - The Anadarko Police Department said it is investigating the shooting death of a dog Friday. Neighbors tell FOX25 a police officer shot the dog to death for no reason, pointing the shotgun at it from inside the squad car.
Carol Nix said the dog was not aggressive or bothering anyone when the officers came and killed it.

"I said 'you just shot him?' and he said 'oh yeah,'" Nix said Saturday.

See the rest of her story here: Neighbors say police shot a dog to death for no reason
http://www.okcfox.com/story/23494788/neighbors-say-police-shot-a-dog-to-death-for-no-reason

While the internal investigation continues, the department told us it could not comment. But Chief David Edwards said not everyone agreed with Nix's eyewitness account.
"Well, I started crying because it upset me," Janie Pettit said.
Pettit thinks she was the only one who saw the shooting first hand. Pettit said she watched from her front door as the squad car pulled up to confront the dog. Others came outside after the gun shot.

"I thought he was going to try to talk to the dog or something but he didn't he just shot the dog and the dog ran," she said.
Investigators questioned Pettit Monday morning. Pettit said she told police in her statement the shooting was not justified.

"He shouldn't have shot it. He shouldn't have shot it because it didn't pose a threat. It wasn't threatening to anybody," Pettit said.
Animal rights group, Citizens Against Animal Cruelty, out of Norman, have found the dog's owner, Jr. Ramos.
"He's devastated. He does not understand why they shot his dog," the group's director Jenny Patten said.

Patten is upset too.
"This is basically a breed-specific murder. If that had been a collie, a lab, that wouldn't have happened, but being a pit bull, it was his death sentence," she said.

Patten hopes this investigation will lead to disciplinary action and change. She wants officers to receive training on how to deal with dogs at large.
Patten and her group are also helping Ramos fight a citation officers issued to Ramos.

He said he had just gotten off work on Friday to come home and discover his dog got loose. After searching around Anadarko for about an hour, he got to the neighborhood just in time to see his dog shot. While carrying his dead dog, he said officers lectured him about the breed, then wrote him ticket for having a dog at large.

"We will go to court with him. There are three or four of us who will be in court with him and stand up for what happened to this dog. It's wrong," Patten said.





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“I raised my girls to trust police officers,” said Brittany Moore back in April. “That if they ever got lost, to find a police officer and they would help them. Now they don’t trust them.”
Moore spoke those words at the state capitol in Colorado, during a rally on behalf of legislation meant to reduce incidents in which police officers shoot family pets. Her testimony underscores a serious problem for anyone who supports good law enforcement (which everyone should).

"The trouble is that police officers all too often don’t understand dog behavior.  Just as biased news reporting is not just bad journalism but also bad for journalism, because it undermines trust in the press, poor policing is bad for law enforcement because it undermines trust in law enforcement."

Moore’s German Shepherd, Ava, was shot in 2011 by an officer who claims the dog bared its teeth and lunged. Moore says otherwise. “The rawhide bone fell from Ava’s mouth and she made the most awful sound that I have ever heard, and then immediately fell to the ground. She tried to get up one last time, but her hind legs wouldn’t work because her spinal cord was severed. . . . Our golden retriever went over and was nudging Ava trying to help her. Ava fell back on the ground and laid there and died slowly. . . . I will never forget the sound of my daughter’s torturous cries that night.”

Unfortunately, Moore’s story is not unusual. Cases of cops shooting dogs happen with discouraging frequency. According to a Justice Department report, “in most police departments, the majority of shooting incidents involve animals, most frequently dogs.”   The shootings happen despite the fact that “dogs are seldom dangerous,” rarely bite, and even when they do, “the overwhelming majority of dog bites are minor, causing either no injury at all or injuries so minor that no medical care is required.”

The trouble is that police officers all too often don’t understand dog behavior. As the report (“The Problem of Dog-Related Incidents and Encounters”) explains: “an approaching dog is almost always friendly. A dog who feels threatened will usually try to keep his distance.”

Yet because officers often don’t know that, you get situations such as the one a couple weeks ago in North Carolina, where a Mooresville police officer shot a dog being trained as a service animal after it wandered onto his property.

Then there was the case — reported the same day — in Leander, Texas: Police officers serving a warrant went to the wrong house, then shot the family pet, Vinny. Or another recent case in which a Los Angeles officer shot a dog outside the owner’s home for reasons “not immediately clear,” according to news accounts. Or another recent case in which a St. Louis police officer shot his partner (yes, really) while aiming at “what they said was an aggressive-looking dog.”

Aggressive-looking? That’s an awfully low standard for pulling a trigger, isn’t it?

There are two opportunities to address this issue: after an unnecessary shooting, or before one.
After-the-fact remedies include lawsuits — with all the attendant expense, turmoil and negative publicity those can entail. (Brittany Moore has filed a federal lawsuit over the death of Ava.) Another remedy involves criminal prosecution. In December a Denver, Colo., police officer was charged with aggravated animal cruelty — a felony — after he shot a dog that had been restrained on a catch-pole.

Prosecutions are better than impunity, and they might send a message. But they represent a far-less-than-optimal solution.
The best answer is to train police officers on how to avoid shooting family dogs. That’s what Leander authorities did, bringing in trainer Jim Osorio after Vinny got shot. “I teach them dog behavior, types of aggression, how to approach dogs, and what types of tools are out there other than a firearm,” Osorio told Texas TV station KVUE.

Here in central Virginia, Henrico County trains officers on dog behavior through video, demonstrations and instruction from animal-control officers. But not all departments around the state are so enlightened. So Virginia lawmakers should introduce a measure like the Dog Protection Act that passed in Colorado last year.

The measure stipulates that Colorado policy is “to prevent, wherever possible, the shooting of dogs by law enforcement officers.” It requires every officer to be trained in handling domestic animals. The training is provided by a webinar created by volunteers — including animal-welfare experts — that costs the state nothing. And the law requires officers to let pet owners or animal-control personnel “control or remove a dog from the immediate area in order to permit a local law enforcement officer to discharge his or her duties” whenever that is feasible.

David Balmer, a Colorado state lawmaker who co-sponsored the measure, says the key to winning passage was cooperating with law-enforcement agencies — rather than simply trying to ram a mandate down their throats.
“We met with sheriffs and police departments from across Colorado,” he says, “incorporating their suggestions into the early drafts of our bill. At the beginning, we faced stiff opposition from law enforcement. As we met with them over and over, they eventually dropped their opposition and began helping us write the bill.”

The Colorado bill would make a good model for the commonwealth — and, for that matter, the country. It would save some dogs’ lives. It would keep some departments from getting sued — and perhaps keep a couple more partners from getting shot. And it would increase people’s trust of the police they see on patrol. What’s not to like?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: AquaMan on September 27, 2013, 10:21:44 am
That was an ugly story. I ask myself every day why I still live in this state. My answers are not as strong as they used to be since good jobs are evaporating and I'm nearing retirement.  At least I live in the more sophisticated, green, cosmopolitan part of the state but it seems that also is deteriorating as fast as the streets.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on September 27, 2013, 11:32:16 am
That was an ugly story. I ask myself every day why I still live in this state. My answers are not as strong as they used to be since good jobs are evaporating and I'm nearing retirement.  At least I live in the more sophisticated, green, cosmopolitan part of the state but it seems that also is deteriorating as fast as the streets.

Which state would you like to live in that you can afford?

Which state would you like to live in if you could afford living anywhere?


(Other than the State of Confusion  ;D)


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: swake on September 27, 2013, 11:34:47 am





You don't find a loose Pit Bull to be an issue?

Here are just SOME of the Pitt Bull attacks I found that happened THIS WEEK:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-boy-dies-pit-bull-attack-colton-20130923,0,3523949.story
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/399788/3/Dog-euthanized-after-attacking-Alton-girl
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/pit-bull-shot-after-attacking-teen-girl-in-milwaukee-b99105247z1-225002182.html
http://www.waow.com/story/23548965/2013/09/27/pit-bulls-attack-deputy-in-drunken-driver-stop
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_southeast_valley/gilbert/gilbert-dog-attack-four-pitbull-mix-dogs-impounded-at-maricopa-county-animal-care-and-control
http://www.thv11.com/news/article/280907/2/Toddler-attacked-by-pit-bull-now-doing-well
http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2013/sep/24/scotia-man-hospital-pit-bull-sought/
http://www.permianbasin360.com/story/two-teens-injured-in-pit-bull-attack/d/story/tjva3bTZBk2-00twD3cKsw
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/article/268466/14/Pit-bulls-get-out-of-yard-and-attack-man
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/09/27/antioch-pit-bulls-involved-in-mauling-of-boy-to-be-euthanized/
http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=49191

These are all different attacks and I only got through six of the 18 pages on a Google News search of Pitt Bull Attacks filtered for this week only. I didn't include all the killed dog stories and I only included attacks that looked like they happened this week.







Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on September 27, 2013, 11:45:29 am
You don't find a loose Pit Bull to be an issue?

Here are just SOME of the Pitt Bull attacks I found that happened THIS WEEK:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-boy-dies-pit-bull-attack-colton-20130923,0,3523949.story
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/399788/3/Dog-euthanized-after-attacking-Alton-girl
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/pit-bull-shot-after-attacking-teen-girl-in-milwaukee-b99105247z1-225002182.html
http://www.waow.com/story/23548965/2013/09/27/pit-bulls-attack-deputy-in-drunken-driver-stop
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_southeast_valley/gilbert/gilbert-dog-attack-four-pitbull-mix-dogs-impounded-at-maricopa-county-animal-care-and-control
http://www.thv11.com/news/article/280907/2/Toddler-attacked-by-pit-bull-now-doing-well
http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2013/sep/24/scotia-man-hospital-pit-bull-sought/
http://www.permianbasin360.com/story/two-teens-injured-in-pit-bull-attack/d/story/tjva3bTZBk2-00twD3cKsw
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/article/268466/14/Pit-bulls-get-out-of-yard-and-attack-man
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/09/27/antioch-pit-bulls-involved-in-mauling-of-boy-to-be-euthanized/
http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=49191

These are all different attacks and I only got through six of the 18 pages on a Google News search of Pitt Bull Attacks filtered for this week only. I didn't include all the killed dog stories and I only included attacks that looked like they happened this week.


http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2013-chicago-murders






Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: swake on September 27, 2013, 12:29:52 pm

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2013-chicago-murders






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Just because Pitt Bulls are not a leading cause of death or injury does not mean that there is not related predictable and common risk that can and should be mitigated. Homicide is way, way down the list of risks too, should we ignore murder because it's not a leading cause of death?

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Benjamin Hart, professor emeritus at the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine and an animal behaviorist, said he wasn't surprised by Iona Keanaaina's assessment of Kava.

"It's quite common for a pit bull to show no signs of aggression," Hart said Wednesday. "People will call it a nice dog, a sweet dog, even the neighbors - and then all of a sudden something triggers the dog, and it attacks a human in a characteristic way of biting and hanging on until a lot of damage is done."

Hart said pit bulls are responsible for about 60 percent of dog attack fatalities each year, which is "way out of proportion" compared with other breeds. Pit bulls make up less than 5 percent of the American dog population.

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Often-no-warning-signs-in-pit-bull-attacks-4611027.php
 


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on September 27, 2013, 02:02:08 pm
Here are just SOME of the Pitt Bull attacks I found that happened THIS WEEK:

A couple years ago, you could find stories about arsonists burning black churches almost every day.
It turned out to be a reporting trend and not an actual crime trend.
http://www.csmonitor.com/1996/0710/071096.us.us.2.html

Sometimes you have to look past pop trends:
The unceasing bark of her pit bull is the only reason Tina McDaris noticed smoke coming out of her neighbor's home late Thursday morning.
http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=4363624



When I was a kid, it was German Shepherds that were the boogey-dogs

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53sAVRZUE4[/youtube]


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: swake on September 27, 2013, 02:24:58 pm
A couple years ago, you could find stories about arsonists burning black churches almost every day.
It turned out to be a reporting trend and not an actual crime trend.
http://www.csmonitor.com/1996/0710/071096.us.us.2.html

Sometimes you have to look past pop trends:
The unceasing bark of her pit bull is the only reason Tina McDaris noticed smoke coming out of her neighbor's home late Thursday morning.
http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=4363624



When I was a kid, it was German Shepherds that were the boogey-dogs

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53sAVRZUE4[/youtube]

Again, 60% of fatalities from dog attacks are due to Pitt Bulls, a dog that makes up less than 5% of all dogs. That's not a "reporting trend".


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: nathanm on September 27, 2013, 02:56:02 pm
The Pit Bull isn't the problem, the bucking owners are the problem. Unfortunately, jackasses who train them to be aggressive are attracted to them like vultures to a carcass.

Regardless, if your first response to seeing a dog, and said dog is not latched onto a part of your body, is to pull out your service weapon and shoot it, you should be fired immediately. Regardless of the breed. This idea that cops can go around discharging their weapons when they aren't being fired upon has got to go away. Police forces in this country are becoming more like paramilitary units. Why are we OK with devolving into a third world country?

Don't get me wrong, I'm wary of pits, especially if they're off leash. But again, it's not the breed, it's the owners who train them to be that way. Police dogs are also trained to bite the smile out of people, yet we don't shoot them when they retire. Go figure.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: swake on September 27, 2013, 03:06:14 pm
The Pit Bull isn't the problem, the bucking owners are the problem. Unfortunately, jackasses who train them to be aggressive are attracted to them like vultures to a carcass.

Regardless, if your first response to seeing a dog, and said dog is not latched onto a part of your body, is to pull out your service weapon and shoot it, you should be fired immediately. Regardless of the breed. This idea that cops can go around discharging their weapons when they aren't being fired upon has got to go away. Police forces in this country are becoming more like paramilitary units. Why are we OK with devolving into a third world country?

Don't get me wrong, I'm wary of pits, especially if they're off leash. But again, it's not the breed, it's the owners who train them to be that way. Police dogs are also trained to bite the smile out of people, yet we don't shoot them when they retire. Go figure.

Again with my quote:
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Benjamin Hart, professor emeritus at the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine and an animal behaviorist, said he wasn't surprised by Iona Keanaaina's assessment of Kava.

"It's quite common for a pit bull to show no signs of aggression," Hart said Wednesday. "People will call it a nice dog, a sweet dog, even the neighbors - and then all of a sudden something triggers the dog, and it attacks a human in a characteristic way of biting and hanging on until a lot of damage is done."


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: nathanm on September 27, 2013, 03:41:38 pm
Almost all dogs are nice, sweet dogs until they bite someone.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on September 27, 2013, 03:54:09 pm
When I was a kid, it was German Shepherds that were the boogey-dogs

And Dobermans.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on September 27, 2013, 03:56:08 pm
Just because Pitt Bulls are not a leading cause of death or injury does not mean that there is not related predictable and common risk that can and should be mitigated. Homicide is way, way down the list of risks too, should we ignore murder because it's not a leading cause of death?

I was thinking more of giving cops in Chicago the green light to "mitigate" the cause of homicides there.



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: AquaMan on September 27, 2013, 04:20:37 pm
Which state would you like to live in that you can afford?

Which state would you like to live in if you could afford living anywhere?


(Other than the State of Confusion  ;D)


1. I don't know
2.Hawaii
3. My State of Confusion is seceding from the Union.

Most people cannot correctly determine a breed of dog any more than they can correctly identify the first three presidents of the US. And, pits are mixed with many other breeds either purposely or randomly. Shall we shoot all undetermined, but likely, pits and pit mixes? Shall we use the final solution on the breed?

What about the argument that its not the dog that kills, but the owners that raise and board the dog? Very similar to the gun argument.

I personally don't care to have the breed or be around them, but any dog can attack and most can kill either alone or in groups. Nothing excuses a man with a badge and a gun shooting a dog for no reason.



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on September 27, 2013, 04:55:28 pm
1. I don't know
2.Hawaii
3. My State of Confusion is seceding from the Union.

I have been to Maui Hawaii.  It was very nice but it was expensive.  Housing was out of reach, moneywise.  Food from the grocery store was higher than here but not absurdly so. Gas for the rental car was about 30% higher as I remember (2004).

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Most people cannot correctly determine a breed of dog any more than they can correctly identify the first three presidents of the US. And, pits are mixed with many other breeds either purposely or randomly. Shall we shoot all undetermined, but likely, pits and pit mixes? Shall we use the final solution on the breed?

What about the argument that its not the dog that kills, but the owners that raise and board the dog? Very similar to the gun argument.

I have been around obedience training for dogs since the early 60s.  My mom is a retired Obedience Trial judge.   I do not believe any particular breed is inherently vicious.  Breeding lines within a breed can have a generally bad disposition.  Owners can have a big influence on a particular dog but cannot overcome "family" traits altogether.  Dog owners can take an otherwise acceptable dog and turn it into something that needs to be put down.  Large, strong dogs are easy targets for people wanting a vicious "guard" dog.

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I personally don't care to have the breed or be around them, but any dog can attack and most can kill either alone or in groups. Nothing excuses a man with a badge and a gun shooting a dog for no reason.

I prefer some breeds over others based on stereotypes but have met nice dogs in many breeds and dogs I didn't like in just as many.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: AquaMan on September 28, 2013, 11:23:56 am
I believe you can gain insights into a person's character by noting what type of dog (or pet) they have, and how they treat them. People who bother to train their dogs and understand their personalities are likely good people to know.  

How people treat animals that are dependent upon us, loyal to us and always forgiving says a lot about how they are likely to treat their fellow humans of different classes and cultures.

When I see a dog mistreated by their owner, I immediately suspect their children may also be at risk.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 30, 2013, 06:58:04 pm
Regardless, if your first response to seeing a dog, and said dog is not latched onto a part of your body, is to pull out your service weapon and shoot it, you should be fired immediately. Regardless of the breed. This idea that cops can go around discharging their weapons when they aren't being fired upon has got to go away. Police forces in this country are becoming more like paramilitary units. Why are we OK with devolving into a third world country?

Don't get me wrong, I'm wary of pits, especially if they're off leash. But again, it's not the breed, it's the owners who train them to be that way. Police dogs are also trained to bite the smile out of people, yet we don't shoot them when they retire. Go figure.








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A cop shot a dog the other day. Again.

Maybe you’ve seen the video — it was all over the Internet, complete with the dog’s grisly death spasms. Hawthorne, Calif., resident Leon Rosby was using his cellphone to record a standoff between police officers and armed robbers. At the end of the standoff, officers headed Rosby’s way. He put his dog, a Rottweiler named Max, in his car, then placed his arms behind his back to be cuffed. (He’d had run-ins with the law before.)

As the officers began taking Rosby into custody, Max jumped out the car window and approached. At first he sniffed the ground and paced, agitated but not threatening. When an officer made a move toward Max, he jumped and snapped.

So the officer killed him.

This was just a few days after police officers in the Chicago suburb of South Holland went to the house of Randy Green to investigate a report of an unleashed dog. While the Green family slept inside, the officers watched their dog, Grady, rest on the front porch.

After 20 minutes, according to the Greens’ lawsuit, “Grady approached Officer (Chad) Barden,” at which point Barden — who, the lawsuit contends, had a dog-catcher pole in his vehicle — shot him.

That incident followed by just a few days another one, also caught on video, in which two El Monte, Calif., officers entered — without notice — the fenced yard of Chi Nguyen and shot one of the family dogs when it approached.

The San Gabriel Valley Tribune reports “there were four children present at the home when the shooting occurred, and a children’s pool party was taking place in a front yard across the street, according to the family and the video.” El Monte police spokesman Dan Buehler said the officer “followed policy.”

That’s precisely the problem.

Across the country, both state laws and departmental policies seem to let police officers use deadly force as a first resort against family pets that often present little or no threat. In one infamous 2010 case from Missouri, an officer shot and killed a dog that had been subdued and held on a catch-pole. In another, an officer shot D.C. resident Marietta Robinson’s 13-year-old dog, Wrinkles, after Robinson had confined the dog to her bathroom.

Last year, police officers chasing two suspects in Lake Charles, La., shot a dog named Monkey that barked at them. In Henrico County last July, police officers went to the home of a homicide victim to notify the family of the slaying. When the family dog ran toward them, the officers shot and killed it. In Danville four years ago, a police officer shot and killed a 12-pound miniature dachshund. For growling at him.

Danville’s chief says the officer followed policy.

Police officers receive extensive training about the use of force when it is applied against humans. But how many departments provide training on dealing with pets? Very few, says the Humane Society. This despite the fact that, according to a Justice Department paper (“The Problem of Dog-Related Incidents and Encounters”), 39 percent of U.S. homes have dogs.

More than half of dog owners “consider their dogs family members,” it continues, “and another 45.1 percent view them as companions or pets.” Less than 1.5 percent view them as property.

Do we really need systematic training to combat a few isolated incidents, however unfortunate? The question rests on a false premise. Civil liberties writer Radley Balko notes that over a nine-year period, Milwaukee officers killed 434 dogs — about one every eight days. And that’s just one city. Across the country, according to Justice, “the majority of (police) shooting incidents involve animals, most frequently dogs.”

But surely those shootings occur because the animals themselves pose a serious threat, right? Nope. The Justice Department says not only that “dogs are seldom dangerous” but that even when they are, “the overwhelming majority of dog bites are minor, causing either no injury at all or injuries so minor that no medical care is required.”

As Balko writes, “If dangerous dogs are so common, one would expect to find frequent reports of vicious attacks on meter readers, postal workers, firemen and delivery workers. But according to a spokesman from the United States Postal Service, serious dog attacks on mail carriers are vanishingly rare.”

Yet serious — deadly — attacks against dogs are all too common. They shouldn’t be. And the solutions are obvious: Departmental policies, backed by state law, should require police officers to use lethal force against companion animals only as a last resort.

Officers should receive training in safe and non-lethal methods of animal control — and in dog behavior: “An approaching dog is almost always friendly,” according to the Justice Department; “a dog who feels threatened will usually try to keep his distance.”

Finally, lawmakers should require an investigation of every dog shooting, to avoid what the public too often gets now: a knee-jerk defense of the officer involved and a callous dismissal of the family’s suffering.

After all, if a child ran at a policeman with a knife the officer might fire in self-defense — yet nobody would just let it go at that. Animals don’t occupy the same moral station as children, but family pets are more than just property. A badge and a gun should not be a license to shoot them at whim.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion/our-opinion/hinkle-it-s-time-to-train-officers-not-to-shoot/article_1a45d0d5-26a2-5883-a8eb-088defaf0bdd.html


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 30, 2013, 08:12:27 pm
I think maybe it's not dogs I'm gonna worry about as much as Frat Boys at OSU...!!  Nothing like an Alpha Gamma Rho hazing to make the day....guess that's what happens when Frat Boys are off leash.




Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 31, 2014, 05:34:55 pm
Quote

An Oklahoma family accused local law enforcement of pointing his gun at two young children before shooting and killing one of their dogs, KOKH-TV reported on Friday.

The homeowner, Cindy Wickham, said the incident began when an unidentified Logan County sheriff’s deputy went to her home in Guthrie in response to reports of “screaming” in the area. At the time, Wickham was watching her two young nephews and her two dogs, Charlie and Joker, were in the yard.
Wickham said she told the deputy to stay behind the fenced entryway to the residence, since she wasn’t sure how the dogs would react.

“I said, ‘Don’t come in,’” Wickham told KOKH. “And he just went ahead and went in.”
When the deputy entered, she said, Charlie approached him and began sniffing him. At that point, the deputy allegedly pulled his gun out and pointed it at not only the dog, but Wickham and the two boys.

“It just happened so fast that I couldn’t do nothing, I couldn’t prevent it.” Wickham told KOKH. “The only thing I could do was put my nephews behind my back.”
Shortly afterward, the deputy shot and killed the animal. Neither Wickham nor the boys were injured.

Authorities in Logan County have not commented on the incident aside from saying it is under investigation. However, Wickham said the deputy told her, “The motherf*cking dog bit me” after shooting the dog.

One of Wickham’s neighbors, Kaci Malicoat, backed up her account of the incident.
“I could see [the deputy] waving the gun back and forth at her and the dog,” Malicoat told KOKH.



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 05, 2014, 02:29:19 pm
I have been to Maui Hawaii.  It was very nice but it was expensive.  Housing was out of reach, moneywise.  Food from the grocery store was higher than here but not absurdly so. Gas for the rental car was about 30% higher as I remember (2004).



I have an uncle who lived in/near Honolulu for about 35 years....finally ended up moving to New York City for the lower cost of living.....all I could say to him was, "Geez...."





Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on June 05, 2014, 05:08:59 pm
TULSA, Okla. - People at one north Tulsa apartment complex are upset after Tulsa police shot and killed a dog Wednesday night.

They said this happened in front of several residents and children.
FOX23 found out from police that a call came into 911 for a dog that was acting vicious. Right now the shooting is being reviewed as all officer-involved shootings are, but neighbors said this shouldn’t have happened.

Around 9:30 p.m. Wednesday night, the security at the Comanche Park Apartments tried to get the dog under control. Cell phone video showed the pit bull mix barking. Security pepper sprayed the dog three times, but it wouldn’t calm down.

Some neighbors told FOX23 the dog was likely scared and said it was anything but vicious.
“My kids were playing with it earlier in the day. My kids were outside when it was outside and it never once tried to attack any of my kids,” said Tawny Glenn, a witness to the shooting.

“The dog might have been a friendly dog at one point but again, we were called to that location for a vicious dog,” said Officer Leland Ashley with Tulsa police.

When two Tulsa police officers got to the scene they found the dog on a porch after a few minutes of more barking neighbors heard three shots fired.

“They could have put a sheet over the dog and pinned it down. They could have brought a pole out and caught it with a breaker pole. There are a million of other things they could have done instead of shoot it in front of people,” said Glenn.

Some of the neighbors are upset that the dog was shot in front of young children, they say without warning.
“They here three to four shots and they bust out crying, wondering why it’s happening,” said Daniel Bass who also witnessed the shooting.

But TPD said the officers did what they had to do for safety.
“Actions were taken at that point that officers felt needed to be taken. And unfortunately, if someone viewed it who didn’t wish to view it, that’s unfortunate, but as an officer you’re first thinking of your safety and the safety of others,” said Ashley.

Neighbors told FOX23 they tried to tell security and officers they could get the dog to calm down but were repeatedly told to stay away.

FOX23 also found out Tulsa animal control was not dispatched to the scene.

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Tulsa-police-shoot-and-kill-dog-at-north-Tulsa/I7GNAs30uU-rGphDk_mHHg.cspx

Cellphone video shows police mulling for several minutes on whether or not to shoot the dog.



Sad situation, because everyone knows it's cats you have to watch out for:
http://www.fox23.com/mostpopular/story/Cat-interrupts-live-shot/0xOX0esge02uESqvkXiSZw.cspx







Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 05, 2014, 06:12:02 pm
And Dobermans.


I want one of those Doberhuahua's....they look like the ideal dog!  Well, after Beagles, of course!



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on June 07, 2014, 09:49:29 pm
Maybe there is justice:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkDN66XBm2I[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkDN66XBm2I


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on June 12, 2014, 09:02:47 am
Shot 2 more the following Monday:
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Tulsa-police-shoot-and-kill-dog/an358IUPjkmR3SsfEGcudg.cspx

Does Tulsa just not have a functioning Animal Control department?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 12, 2014, 10:45:44 am
Shot 2 more the following Monday:
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Tulsa-police-shoot-and-kill-dog/an358IUPjkmR3SsfEGcudg.cspx

Does Tulsa just not have a functioning Animal Control department?


I lived near 56th North and Harvard many years ago, and animal control would never come out to deal with any animal situation.  Luckily, several in the neighborhood had .22's and would have "dog pack parties" in the evenings when it got too out of control....shoot 2 or 3 and the pack would divert to another area for a while before coming back....then, it's party time again!!

One of my dogs got out once and went to another neighborhood where they were having their dog pack party - he go hit but survived.  Dumb dog - name was Bozo, after the clown!  

And no, I didn't blame the guy for shooting him - I worked hard to keep that dog in, but he did get out that once....didn't do it again, either!



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on June 12, 2014, 08:42:40 pm
Under fire from pet owners and even U.S. officials, local police departments join a move toward better training, nonlethal control methods

About 95 percent of officer-involved shootings are deemed justified by law enforcement agencies, according to Dr. Randall Lockwood, senior vice president of ASPCA Forensics Sciences and Anti-Cruelty Projects.

“The standard is very low,” said Lockwood, who has studied the issue for 15 years. Untrained officers are likely to feel more threatened than those who are familiar with dog behavior and armed with tools and techniques to de-escalate situations, Lockwood said.

A 52-page U.S. Department of Justice report in 2011 stressed the need for agencies to train officers in nonlethal methods of dealing with dogs.
“Law enforcement officers must advance beyond automatically using their weapons when encountered by a dog,” Bernard K. Melekian, director of the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services, wrote on the first page.
The report says the risks of failing to curb unnecessary officer-involved dog shootings include erosion of public trust and significant financial costs from judgments and settlements.

A state law requiring all Tennessee highway patrol officers to be trained in dog behavior stemmed from a 2003 incident, when an officer shot a North Carolina family’s dog.
The dog got loose because officers didn’t heed the family’s request to shut their car door after they were handcuffed outside the car. The family was stopped after someone reported a possible robbery at a gas station; it turned out there was no robbery.
The family received $77,000 in an out-of-court settlement.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/03/02/3057358/working-to-curb-dog-shootings.html



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: DolfanBob on June 13, 2014, 04:05:05 pm
This was posted to Facebook. Absolutely horrible.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=788399151194843&set=o.47689998796&type=1


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 15, 2014, 08:50:09 pm
This was posted to Facebook. Absolutely horrible.




Good news is, the dog is back home with stitches and doing ok. 

I don't care for pits, mainly because too many a$$wipes do stupid things like trying to "train them to be a guard dog"....I have 5 family members and two good friends that have them now and those 7 specific dogs are very good pets.  So far....



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: DolfanBob on June 27, 2014, 01:48:58 pm
It's all about target practice for these A-Holes with guns.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2672405/The-dramatic-moment-dog-owner-berates-officers-shooting-beloved-pet-dead-backyard.html


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on June 27, 2014, 02:24:46 pm
It's all about target practice for these A-Holes with guns.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2672405/The-dramatic-moment-dog-owner-berates-officers-shooting-beloved-pet-dead-backyard.html

Worse was the Baltimore cop that slit the throat of a dog restrained with a noose.

Quote

Earlier this week a second Baltimore police officer was suspended in a shocking case in which he and another cop allegedly slit a dog's throat.


The Baltimore Sun reported that officer Thomas Schmidt has been placed on a paid administrative leave along with fellow officer Jeffrey Bolger who has been charged with animal cruelty.


The pair allegedly held down and cut the throat of a Shar-Pei, with officials saying there was no reason to kill the dog if it was already restrained.


Schmidt is a 24-year veteran of the Special Operations Section, serving alongside Bolger who was hired in 1992.


The union did not provide information regarding the terms of Schmidt's suspension.


The alleged attack happened on Saturday morning in Brewers Hill, a south-eastern district of the city, after police responded to a report of a woman being bitten.


Deputy Commissioner Dean Palmere said officers gained control of the animal, a seven-year-old Chinese Shar-Pei, with a dog pole and an officer used a knife to cut the dog's throat.


Late last night, Detective Jeremy Silbert issued a statement identifying that policeman as Bolger.


Announcing that internal affairs were investigating the killing, Mr Palmere called the incident 'outrageous and unacceptable'.

Witnesses told police that as Bolger got out of his vehicle, he said: 'I'm going to f*****g gut this thing.'


He waited until colleagues got control of the dog before bending down and slashing its throat with a knife, witnesses said. It bled to death before animal control arrived, police told the Baltimore Sun
.




Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on June 27, 2014, 09:54:21 pm
Worse was the Baltimore cop that slit the throat of a dog restrained with a noose.


A second officer has been suspended as the Baltimore Police Department investigates a case in which a dog's throat was slit.

Officer Thomas Schmidt, a 24-year veteran assigned to the Emergency Services unit, was placed on paid administrative leave after police say he held down a Shar-Pei while a fellow officer, Jeffrey Bolger, slit the dog's throat.

According to charging documents filed in court in Bolger's case, Bolger, 49, and Schmidt responded. As Bolger got out of the police truck, a witness overheard him say, "I'm going to f*cking gut this thing," the police report said.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-dog-killing-folo-20140619,0,7205448.story


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on June 29, 2014, 02:09:55 pm
It's all about target practice for these A-Holes with guns.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2672405/The-dramatic-moment-dog-owner-berates-officers-shooting-beloved-pet-dead-backyard.html

Hundreds of people protested in front of the Salt Lake City Police Department Saturday to demand justice for the victim in a controversial police shooting -- a 110-pound dog named “Geist.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/29/salt-lake-police-shooting-sparks-large-protest-for-victim-dog-named-geist/


The gray Weimaraner was in a fenced-in backyard June 18 when he was shot dead by a police officer who was searching for a missing boy. Police said the dog was shot after he approached the officer in an “aggressive manner.”

“So I get to bury my dog because an officer couldn’t back up and close the f------ gate.”

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvSC_bvPCOk[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvSC_bvPCOk
http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/29/dont-you-dare-criticize-officers-for-sho




Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on July 29, 2014, 02:02:51 pm
A police officer resigned Monday after coming under fire for allegedly shooting a resident’s German shepherd and then blocking the owner from taking the dog to the vet.

Doctor, a 9-year-old family pet, surprised DeKalb County police Officer David Anthony Pitts, who had come to the house in Decatur on Thursday because of a false alarm. The officer reportedly shot the dog in the face. Pitts defended the shooting to investigators as necessary.
Tim Theall, who has raised Doctor from a pup, said the dog is not aggressive, but he understood how Pitts could make a mistake when confronted with a large dog bounding in his direction.

But the DeKalb man was stunned when Pitts threatened to arrest him if he left immediately to get medical attention for the dog. The officer said it violated procedure in a shooting investigation, Theall said.

“I said, ‘I’m going to get my dog to a vet because he is alive,’ and that is when he blocked my exit,” said Theall.
Pitts blocked Theall’s driveway with his patrol car. The frantic Theall said he loaded Doctor into his car and drove around the car but the officer followed, blocking the 43-year-old graphic artist from leaving the southeast DeKalb neighborhood. Then he ordered Theall to return home or be arrested.


http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/dekalb-cop-resigns-after-shooting-homeowners-germa/ngqG6/


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on September 11, 2014, 10:34:30 pm
An off-duty Tulsa police officer shot and killed a pit bull late Thursday afternoon after it approached his dog and he felt threatened, a police official said.
Sgt. Jeff Davis said the officer was walking his own dog while he was off-duty when a pit bull approached his pet.
The officer felt threatened, so he shot the dog, Davis said.
Nicholas Blazek wrote on Facebook that his dog was sniffing the off-duty officer's dog when the officer pulled the trigger.
"Once he was on the ground crying he shot two more times," Blazek posted.
Davis, who declined to release the name of the officer, said he won't be placed on administrative leave because he was off-duty and the shooting didn't involve a person.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/off-duty-tulsa-police-officer-kills-pit-bull/


“The man, as smooth as you please, reached behind him, pointed (a handgun), put it up to the dog and shot it in the head or neck area, and Titus immediately went down,” Holm said, noting that the officer didn’t say a word before pulling the trigger.
As Titus lay in the grass, moving his legs and yelping, “he (the officer) bent down, aimed at it and shot it in the head with everybody in shock,” Holm said, adding that the second and final shot sent adults scurrying to collect children and take them inside their homes.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage4/witness-owners-of-dog-killed-by-off-duty-tulsa-police/article_400fc734-6d16-51cb-8748-e188852b8ab1.html


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on September 13, 2014, 11:02:10 am
Another Tulsa cop shoots another dog the next day, but this time with a happier ending:



People are coming together and donating money to help pay for a dog’s surgery after the dog was shot three times by a Tulsa police officer.
Officials said the shooting was justified and the dog charged the officer while he was investigating a possible home invasion.
 
Ruby, a 2-year-old pit bull, is expecting to make a full recovery. Thursday afternoon people found her bloody and walking in the middle of the road in Catoosa, nearly 10 miles from home.
 
“I saw her walk by my window, and her mouth was covered in blood,” said Jana Pierson.
 Pierson was driving near Pine and Garnett when she noticed the dog.
 “I was instantly sad. I knew I had to help that dog. I couldn’t drive away from it,” Pierson said.
 The dog’s owner, Lana Ellsbury, was trying to find her in north Tulsa.
 “I was frantically looking for her for four hours,” Ellsbury said.
 
Ruby was shot by an on-duty Tulsa police officer near Ellsbury’s mother’s house at Apache and Sheridan. The Tulsa Police Department told FOX23 the officer shot three times after the dog charged at him. Ruby then ran off.
 Ellsbury and Ruby were reunited hours later, thanks to Facebook.
 “I was in tears of joy that she was alive,” Ellsbury said.
 
She said the Oklahoma Alliance for Animals is donating some money for Ruby’s surgery on her jaw.
 “There have been several people who have offered to help, asked what they can do, and that’s been so appreciated,” Ellsbury said.
 She said Ruby is friendly to strangers, and she doesn’t believe the dog was as aggressive as the police officer claimed.

http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/dog-shot-tulsa-police-officer-reunited-owner-throu/nhL2y







Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 13, 2014, 04:58:07 pm
Another Tulsa cop shoots another dog the next day, but this time with a happier ending:

We could compare it to the Jerome Ersland pharmacy robbery shooting:  the first shot was self-defense...the coup de grâce was murder.
BUT if our D.A. is too cowardly to charge an OHP tweaker for gunning down a random person while picking up his ho at the crack hotel, he's certainly not going to irritate the FOP with a rash of animal cruelty offenses.





Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on September 15, 2014, 01:38:07 pm
We could compare it to the Jerome Ersland pharmacy robbery shooting:  the first shot was self-defense...the coup de grâce was murder.
BUT if our D.A. is too cowardly to charge an OHP tweaker for gunning down a random person while picking up his ho at the crack hotel, he's certainly not going to irritate the FOP with a rash of animal cruelty offenses.

Oh I wasnt expecting "justice" beyond a quiet payout of taxpayer money to the victims, but at least the local media didnt just brush it off.

"They were sniffing each other and the man pulled his dog back and his hind legs didn't move. So it reared up and the other dog moved forward and the man reached back behind him and pulled out a silver revolver, bent down and shot the dog"
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/off-duty-tulsa-cop-shoots-kills-neighborhood-dog


"He reached for his pistol, leaned over, and shot Titus point blank in his neck. And then as he falls to the ground, flipping around, he leaned down and shot him again in the head, kicked him to see if he was dead, he wasn't, so then he shot him again in the side." 
She says another officer who responded told her that if it had been a private citizen who had opened fire on her dog, he would have probably made an arrest, but a TPD spokesman told KRMG that because the officer was off duty and did not use his deparment-issued weapon, the case would be treated as if he was any private citizen.

http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/-duty-officer-shoots-kills-dog-midtown-tulsa/nhLjx/


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 15, 2014, 02:46:23 pm
We could compare it to the Jerome Ersland pharmacy robbery shooting:  the first shot was self-defense...the coup de grâce was murder.
BUT if our D.A. is too cowardly to charge an OHP tweaker for gunning down a random person while picking up his ho at the crack hotel, he's certainly not going to irritate the FOP with a rash of animal cruelty offenses.





Our DA won't even accept a guilty plea from a criminal IN COURT on a charge of assault with a deadly weapon, since the guy involved was on "good buddy" terms with his defense attorney, who was bud's with Tim Harris' office, who was good bud's with Judge Kurt Glassco.  Upon further review - the charge was actually changed to "Feloniously Pointing Firearm".  How special is that....

And there was this, just about a year and a half later... NOTICE OF TERMINATION OF ACTIVE PROBATION SUPERVISION

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2353817&db=Tulsa


And criminal activity continues in the neighborhood - at the same address - involving the discharge of firearms arms in the back yard, at neighbors dogs, and general all around "celebration" at New Years and July 4th.  And of course, the cops are gonna get right on that since it would be so much more effective with the current DA's office to try to get enforcement on those laws than when the resident of the address tried to kill a couple of high school teenagers....



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 15, 2014, 02:49:51 pm
Oh I wasnt expecting "justice" beyond a quiet payout of taxpayer money to the victims, but at least the local media didnt just brush it off.

"They were sniffing each other and the man pulled his dog back and his hind legs didn't move. So it reared up and the other dog moved forward and the man reached back behind him and pulled out a silver revolver, bent down and shot the dog"
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/off-duty-tulsa-cop-shoots-kills-neighborhood-dog


"He reached for his pistol, leaned over, and shot Titus point blank in his neck. And then as he falls to the ground, flipping around, he leaned down and shot him again in the head, kicked him to see if he was dead, he wasn't, so then he shot him again in the side." 
She says another officer who responded told her that if it had been a private citizen who had opened fire on her dog, he would have probably made an arrest, but a TPD spokesman told KRMG that because the officer was off duty and did not use his deparment-issued weapon, the case would be treated as if he was any private citizen.

http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/-duty-officer-shoots-kills-dog-midtown-tulsa/nhLjx/


The residence mentioned in my previous post has a dog that gets out and goes charging up to people, too.  No cops have been around to shoot that dog, though....



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: TeeDub on September 15, 2014, 02:58:50 pm


And there was this, just about a year and a half later... NOTICE OF TERMINATION OF ACTIVE PROBATION SUPERVISION


Why should he have to report to the probation officer once a month?   He still is on "probation," he just doesn't have to check in now.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on September 15, 2014, 07:00:22 pm
Quote
A TPD spokesman told KRMG that because the officer was off duty and did not use his deparment-issued weapon, the case would be treated as if he was any private citizen.[/font]

Oh, yeah, just like this smug turd
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ws1Nyn7i-i0/0.jpg)

Except, of course, the department conspires to keep their identities a secret.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on September 15, 2014, 09:10:57 pm
Why should he have to report to the probation officer once a month?   He still is on "probation," he just doesn't have to check in now.


No reason.  He is getting a pass on it.  I guess we are just so overwhelmed in our justice system by those evil marijuana smokers that we just don't have the room for a violent criminal.




Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on October 14, 2014, 07:01:06 pm
(http://peacefulstreets.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Cops-dogs.jpg)


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on October 20, 2014, 09:31:21 am
COEUR D'ALENE, Idaho (AP) - A northern Idaho police officer whose superiors determined his shooting of a pet dog in a parked van violated policy has had his pay reduced.

The Coeur d'Alene Press reports that Coeur d'Alene Police Officer David Kelley's hourly wage was cut by $3.15.

Police put out a statement that an officer responding earlier that day to a report of a suspicious van shot and killed a "vicious pit bull" that lunged for an officer's face.
The dog turned out to be a 2-year-old black Labrador mix named Arfee, whose owner was in a coffee shop.


(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f6971d504a6d894cb7944de3d383c26c5c6bb869/c=0-0-533-401&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/KTVB/None/2014/10/20/635493981675920006-COEUR-D-ALENE-DOG-SHOOTING-7.9.2.jpg)


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on October 26, 2014, 09:08:21 pm
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmNay7htV4s[/youtube]


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 26, 2014, 10:41:07 pm
It's interesting just how bad a shot most cops are....I'm not quite sure whether that is a scary thing because they can't shoot, or would be scarier if they could....

Either way, I guess I'm wondering about the wisdom of seriously un-trained people running around with guns when they can't manage properly!  Too often, there is a bigger array of animate targets surrounding the area that are at serious risk from out of control gunfire!



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on October 28, 2014, 06:50:15 pm
It's interesting just how bad a shot most cops are....I'm not quite sure whether that is a scary thing because they can't shoot, or would be scarier if they could....

Either way, I guess I'm wondering about the wisdom of seriously un-trained people running around with guns when they can't manage properly!  Too often, there is a bigger array of animate targets surrounding the area that are at serious risk from out of control gunfire!



Policeman Kevin Dupre describes using a 6-month old puppy for target practice:
“I raised my duty weapon to the ready position pointed at the growling dog’s head. As soon as I lifted my pistol, the dog began coming up the hill, continuing to growl and display its teeth. The other dog began backing away. I fired three shots at it. It rolled back into the ditch and died.”



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 28, 2014, 07:35:33 pm

Policeman Kevin Dupre describes using a 6-month old puppy for target practice:
“I raised my duty weapon to the ready position pointed at the growling dog’s head. As soon as I lifted my pistol, the dog began coming up the hill, continuing to growl and display its teeth. The other dog began backing away. I fired three shots at it. It rolled back into the ditch and died.”




Pathetic!  Disgusting maggot.



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on November 11, 2014, 11:04:18 am
The Austin Police Department has designed a program to respond to controversial shootings, hoping to train its officers to use their guns only as a last resort...

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/mz5mhc/police-sensitivity-training-in-austin


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on May 30, 2015, 05:35:43 pm
Police dogs die from heat exhaustion and antifreeze poisoning about every summer here, but is hushed up.  Here is one department that seems to be very open about it:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/crime/fl-hialeah-k9-deaths-davie-20150528-story.html




Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on March 03, 2016, 07:21:16 pm
An Owasso mother said her children came home from church to find their family dog bleeding from a gunshot wound on their front porch Wednesday night. A note from the Rogers County Sheriff's Office was attached to the door.

"The deputy came on to my property when nobody was home," said Angie. "When my German shepherd did his job and approached the officer barking, the officer shot him."

Angie has home surveillance video that shows the incident. Three hours lapsed from the time the deputy shot Bruno to the time her children were dropped off from church.

Rogers County Sheriff Scott Walton said his deputy was investigating a crime in the area when he felt threatened by the dog. Walton said he used his gun to protect himself.

"Senseless brutality against my dog," said Angie.
http://www.kjrh.com/news/family-finds-dog-bleeding-from-gunshot-wound-on-front-porch?google_editors_picks=true


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: cannon_fodder on March 04, 2016, 08:48:31 am
What. The. Hell.

To clarify:

The home owner did nothing wrong.
The home owner was not accused of a crime.
The dog did nothing wrong.
The dog did not leave his property.
The deputy went onto the homeowner/dog's property.

This results in a family pet being shot and left for dead?

In what world is that right?
In what world is it not animal cruelty to shoot an animal and leave it?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Conan71 on March 04, 2016, 09:24:50 am
What. The. Hell.

To clarify:

The home owner did nothing wrong.
The home owner was not accused of a crime.
The dog did nothing wrong.
The dog did not leave his property.
The deputy went onto the homeowner/dog's property.

This results in a family pet being shot and left for dead?

In what world is that right?
In what world is it not animal cruelty to shoot an animal and leave it?

You can be certain if the dog’s owner or neighbor had done it, they would be facing charges for animal cruelty.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 04, 2016, 10:53:22 am
What. The. Hell.

To clarify:

The home owner did nothing wrong.
The home owner was not accused of a crime.
The dog did nothing wrong.
The dog did not leave his property.
The deputy went onto the homeowner/dog's property.

This results in a family pet being shot and left for dead?

In what world is that right?
In what world is it not animal cruelty to shoot an animal and leave it?


Okrahoma World.



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: AquaMan on March 04, 2016, 11:47:58 am
Perhaps we need to devise bullet vests for our dogs.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Townsend on March 04, 2016, 12:08:23 pm
I'm assuming since the cop said "I felt threatened" the dog owner has no recourse?

This is an example of why people have issues with cops...you don't really need a personal reason...you just have to know that some police officers will come on your property, shoot your dog, and leave it to die.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 04, 2016, 12:16:52 pm
There is one small point to all this that I didn't see mentioned.  There are leash laws in Owasso and surrounds.  The dog was out running loose in the street.  She should have had the dog restrained and none of this would have been an issue.



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Townsend on March 04, 2016, 01:12:07 pm
There is one small point to all this that I didn't see mentioned.  There are leash laws in Owasso and surrounds.  The dog was out running loose in the street.  She should have had the dog restrained and none of this would have been an issue.

The dog was in the street?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Hoss on March 04, 2016, 01:45:36 pm
There is one small point to all this that I didn't see mentioned.  There are leash laws in Owasso and surrounds.  The dog was out running loose in the street.  She should have had the dog restrained and none of this would have been an issue.



Can you cite that?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Townsend on March 04, 2016, 04:30:00 pm
Quote
The sheriff responded Friday regarding the dog that was left bleeding at the home for the owner's children to find. "I'm not getting into the dog ambulance business. We can't do that," Rogers County Sheriff Scott Walton said.

What an A-hole


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Hoss on March 04, 2016, 05:39:40 pm
What an A-hole

I believe he's the same doucherocket that appeared in the Tulsa Gold commercials a few years back.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Red Arrow on March 04, 2016, 06:29:44 pm
One of our German Shepherds, years ago, like to escape and didn't always come right back.  I called the Bixby Police to tell them about the situation and tell them they didn't need to shoot the dog.  Fortunately, we got the dog back in our yard before anything happened.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on March 05, 2016, 04:18:38 pm
I believe he's the same doucherocket that appeared in the Tulsa Gold commercials a few years back.


The dog showed its teeth and the deputy wet his pants.  Sheriff says end of investigation, but thats not all he swept under the carpet this week:





No arrests made after drunken Tulsa County Sheriff's SWAT member crashes police van full of weapons, body armor in Wagoner county.


Wagoner County said they pursued a Tulsa County Sheriff's SWAT van that had been reportedly involved in a domestic dispute there, until it crashed just inside Rogers county. 
Wagoner deputies were concerned that the driver was armed and in a van with SWAT equipment, and notified Rogers County when the van crashed at 293rd East Avenue and Admiral, in Rogers County.

Rogers County deputies captured the driver after a short foot pursuit in the woods.  He was then handcuffed and given two field sobriety tests; the first at the scene where Deputy Robert Wesley Lovett blew a .01 then a second that didn't register.

Tulsa County was contacted and the van and equipment were released back to them.
       
Rogers County Sheriff Scott Walton says there was no arrest affidavit because Lovett did not commit a crime in Rogers County.
 


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Conan71 on March 05, 2016, 05:05:10 pm
Why is it the title Sheriff seems to corrupt people who once seemed to be pretty good cops?  Three in this area the position seems to have absolutely corrupted I can think of in recent memory:

Larry Fugate in Creek Co., Glanz in Tulsa, and Walton in Rogers.  Is there a sense of entitlement that comes with the position or what?


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 07, 2016, 09:15:09 am
The dog was in the street?


Looked like it to me in the video...  What do you all think?  I may have mistaken it.



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 07, 2016, 09:16:00 am
Can you cite that?


See my reply to Townsend....looked like it to me, where the cop drove up...


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 07, 2016, 09:16:49 am
Why is it the title Sheriff seems to corrupt people who once seemed to be pretty good cops?  Three in this area the position seems to have absolutely corrupted I can think of in recent memory:

Larry Fugate in Creek Co., Glanz in Tulsa, and Walton in Rogers.  Is there a sense of entitlement that comes with the position or what?


Back to Wyatt Earp and beyond... it's the natural order of things for County stuff.



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: cannon_fodder on March 07, 2016, 10:24:36 am
There is one small point to all this that I didn't see mentioned.  There are leash laws in Owasso and surrounds.  The dog was out running loose in the street.  She should have had the dog restrained and none of this would have been an issue.

The dog was on its own property. The Deputy pulled into the homeowners long driveway and pulled up towards the house and the deputy got out. The dog was barking and as the officer continued towards the house. The dog then starting moving at the officer and he shot the dog. The dog was 100 yards from any property border when it was shot. The dog never touched the officer. This is from the Sheriff's own version of events (and the homeowners security camera). There are no leash laws on your own property. I also question whether or not there are leash laws in Rogers County outside city limits - I highly suspect NOT.

The officer should have gotten back in his car, like the postman, UPS, FedEx, Girl Scouts or any other host of visitors surely do and none of this would have been an issue.

"Excuse me ma'am. From time to time our officers may be investigating a non-violent crime that was long ago over and for which you were not a suspect, but in the course of that investigation we may come onto your property. So we're going to need you to remove all fences, undo your locks, chain your dogs up, pick up the cat poop, and make sure to have a pot of coffee on at all times. Otherwise we will knock down your fence, bust your locks, shoot your dog, staple your cats butt shut, and take whatever we dang well please. K Thx Bai."


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: AquaMan on March 07, 2016, 11:13:07 am
You have the wit, sir. The makings of a fine defense lawyer. ;)


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on March 07, 2016, 11:32:24 am
The dog was on its own property. The Deputy pulled into the homeowners long driveway and pulled up towards the house and the deputy got out. The dog was barking and as the officer continued towards the house. The dog then starting moving at the officer and he shot the dog. The dog was 100 yards from any property border when it was shot. The dog never touched the officer. This is from the Sheriff's own version of events (and the homeowners security camera). There are no leash laws on your own property. I also question whether or not there are leash laws in Rogers County outside city limits - I highly suspect NOT.

The officer should have gotten back in his car, like the postman, UPS, FedEx, Girl Scouts or any other host of visitors surely do and none of this would have been an issue.

"Excuse me ma'am. From time to time our officers may be investigating a non-violent crime that was long ago over and for which you were not a suspect, but in the course of that investigation we may come onto your property. So we're going to need you to remove all fences, undo your locks, chain your dogs up, pick up the cat poop, and make sure to have a pot of coffee on at all times. Otherwise we will knock down your fence, bust your locks, shoot your dog, staple your cats butt shut, and take whatever we dang well please. K Thx Bai."


I couldn't tell about the property line from the video.  Deputy absolutely had no business getting out of the car to start with.  I would guess that he also had no right to get out since he saw no crime in progress.  He was trespassing at that point, so where are the charges against him?

And if we are gonna try to convict people of murder for killing a police dog - have seen news items about this in the past - where are the assault charges against this guy??





Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on March 07, 2016, 08:04:07 pm

And if we are gonna try to convict people of murder for killing a police dog - have seen news items about this in the past - where are the assault charges against this guy??





Police arrested a burglary suspect they said assaulted a K9 officer Saturday.

When a K9 tried to apprehend Gary Wright (pic of man with multiple bite marks on face), he allegedly punched and kicked the K9 several times before he grabbed it by the ears and started to twist them.

Officers said Wright continued to assault the K9 until they could get him into handcuffs.
http://www.fox23.com/news/burglary-suspect-accused-of-assaulting-k9-officer-during-arrest/147415874



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on March 08, 2016, 11:37:09 am
Police arrested a burglary suspect they said assaulted a K9 officer Saturday.
When a K9 tried to apprehend Gary Wright (pic of man with multiple bite marks on face), he allegedly punched and kicked the K9 several times before he grabbed it by the ears and started to twist them.

Something similar happened a week earlier... guy getting his face eaten is charged with "mistreating a police dog" when he tried to pull the dog off.

(http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/b0/eb0ddcab-6e7f-5c5f-a5ab-5752817cf11e/56be0f5a98ad9.image.jpg?resize=760%2C622)

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/chase-suspect-accused-of-choking-k-9-officer-during-standoff/77972367


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on March 08, 2016, 11:42:05 am
The dog was on its own property. The Deputy pulled into the homeowners long driveway and pulled up towards the house and the deputy got out. The dog was barking and as the officer continued towards the house. The dog then starting moving at the officer and he shot the dog. The dog was 100 yards from any property border when it was shot. The dog never touched the officer. This is from the Sheriff's own version of events (and the homeowners security camera). There are no leash laws on your own property. I also question whether or not there are leash laws in Rogers County outside city limits - I highly suspect NOT.

The officer should have gotten back in his car, like the postman, UPS, FedEx, Girl Scouts or any other host of visitors surely do and none of this would have been an issue.

"Excuse me ma'am. From time to time our officers may be investigating a non-violent crime that was long ago over and for which you were not a suspect, but in the course of that investigation we may come onto your property. So we're going to need you to remove all fences, undo your locks, chain your dogs up, pick up the cat poop, and make sure to have a pot of coffee on at all times. Otherwise we will knock down your fence, bust your locks, shoot your dog, staple your cats butt shut, and take whatever we dang well please. K Thx Bai."




A woman whose dog was shot by a Rogers County sheriff’s deputy this week said she is “frustrated” by the way the lawman handled the situation.
Bruno, a 70-pound German shepherd, was shot in the left shoulder Wednesday evening and left bleeding at a residence near Owasso, said his owner, Angie Laymon.

Rogers County Sheriff Scott Walton said Deputy Logan Eller was justified in his actions.
Laymon, who said her dog will survive, disagrees.

“I have a world of emotions,” she said Friday during a telephone interview. “I’m frustrated and disappointed. My husband used to be a deputy, and he says you don’t shoot first. His (the deputy’s) excuse was he panicked.

“So if you’re in a situation and it’s a human, and someone screams at you or yells at you or gets loud, are you going to panic and shoot them? If you’re panicking, get back in your car or don’t get out of the car if you’re scared of dogs. It’s very frustrating.”

Deputies were dispatched to the area of Laymon’s home after receiving a call about a window being shot out at a home about a half-mile from hers, she said.

Eller pulled into Laymon’s long driveway, got out of his car and was confronted by two barking dogs, Bruno and a 5-month-old female German shepherd, Laymon said.

“My dog will run. If someone’s there and they get out, he will run past them and run back,” Laymon said. “So my dog ran past him, and as he turned and started back, he (the deputy) shot him. Four seconds from the time he put his car in park to the time he shot my dog.”


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: cannon_fodder on March 08, 2016, 01:40:20 pm
Something similar happened a week earlier... guy getting his face eaten is charged with "mistreating a police dog" when he tried to pull the dog off.

I have seen cases in which the dog was set upon a suspect, the dog grabbed the suspects leg as it was trained, and the suspect tried to kick the dog loose as is ones reflex.  The underlying charges were dropped (it was the wrong person), but they kept pressing the "assaulting a police officer" charge.  I left that firm before the case concluded...but I thought that was manifestly unfair.  Even if my own dog started biting my leg for some reason, my reflex would be to try and kick it off.


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on March 27, 2016, 02:42:42 pm
I have seen cases in which the dog was set upon a suspect, the dog grabbed the suspects leg as it was trained, and the suspect tried to kick the dog loose as is ones reflex.  The underlying charges were dropped (it was the wrong person), but they kept pressing the "assaulting a police officer" charge.  I left that firm before the case concluded...but I thought that was manifestly unfair.  Even if my own dog started biting my leg for some reason, my reflex would be to try and kick it off.


Not to be cliche, but it almost seems like a nationwide epidemic.  How do trends like this get momentum in the first place?


The dramatic surveillance footage shows the dog wagging its tail as it approaches the officer who backs away with his handgun drawn. He then fires a single bullet at pointblank range, hitting the dog in the head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phTz5Gy9yU8






Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on May 11, 2016, 04:17:08 pm

http://www.fox23.com/news/police-shoot-kill-south-tulsa-pet/276634852


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on July 02, 2016, 06:03:34 pm

The dramatic surveillance footage shows the dog wagging its tail as it approaches the officer who backs away with his handgun drawn. He then fires a single bullet at pointblank range, hitting the dog in the head.




Killing peoples pets is just practice for killing people.  


http://www.fox23.com/news/tulsa-police-investigate-armed-robbery-near-admiral-and-delaware/380068424





Oklahoma police officer shoots and kills family dog with an AR-15 during boy’s fifth birthday party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al0Ci-A3-uM


"During the investigation, a dog tried to attack the officers. Police shot the dog in self defense."


Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: patric on December 26, 2016, 09:55:25 am

“Beyond the scope of sanity:”  A federal appeals court has sided with police officers who fatally shot two dogs during a drug raid, even though officers testified that one of the dogs was merely barking and “just standing there.”



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/court-rules-it-was-reasonable-for-cop-to-shoot-dog-for-barking_us_585c4bc9e4b0eb586485d619



Title: Re: Beware Of Dog
Post by: Vashta Nerada on April 30, 2017, 06:14:15 pm

Sheriff’s handler’s K-9 mistook him for the suspect; and he had to shoot him (http://www.macon.com/news/local/community/houston-peach/article146929889.html)