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As for JB? Off with his head.

sounds like the fix is in.  I'm sure this was some last minute deal to appease the thugs before some of this strong community PlaniTulsa language takes effect.

At what point does development become a hostile, criminal act against the public?  I think if you take the sum of the parts all around Tulsa, it already has.

divide and conquer people....they are playing this town like a fiddle.  Funny how when this stuff is happening to somebody else it is "progress as promised" and "get those tax dollars".....but when it hits a little closer to home it has a different ring to it..no?

Until the city unites as a whole against crookedness such as this, they will always get what they want.

Hospitals seek plan-map changes

by: KEVIN CANFIELD World Staff Writer
Thursday, April 15, 2010
4/15/2010 4:27:27 AM

Hillcrest and St. John medical centers are seeking changes to the proposed Tulsa comprehensive plan maps that would allow the health-care providers to expand around their facilities, including into parts of the Swan Lake and Yorktown historic preservation districts.

"They want room for growth," Theron Warlick, a city planner, said Thursday morning. "They've highlighted areas where they are currently purchasing property and asking that the maps" reflect that.

Later in the day, Warlick stood on the front porch of a Yorktown residence and explained the proposed map changes to about 30 people.

"These changes would accommodate expansion of the hospitals in the future and the expansion of medical-related facilities along Utica Avenue," he said.

Mark Radzinski, president of the Yorktown Neighborhood Association, said after the meeting that he's troubled by the hospitals' lack of communication with surrounding property owners.

"Come to us and sit down and say: 'This is what we would like to do. Can we make this work?' But we always find out about it when we find out about something being on agenda for the Tulsa Metropolitan Area Planning Commission or the Board of Adjustment," Radzinski said.

City Councilor Maria Barnes, who represents the area, encouraged those in attendance to make their concerns known to the Planning Commission.

"We're going against the tide here," she said. "We've got the home builders, the Realtors, the (Tulsa Metro) Chamber who are working these people daily.

"They want these changes to fit their needs," she said, claiming that those interests don't care "about us here and what we've done. We've taken our time for three years to work on this plan."

Representatives for the hospitals were not available for comment Wednesday.

The city is nearing the end of a multiyear effort to update its comprehensive plan, which provides guidelines for the physical development of the city.

The Planning Commission will have the final say on whether the hospitals' map requests are included in the final version of the plan that commissioners will vote on after another public hearing.

On Wednesday afternoon, planning commissioners met for a second time to discuss possible modifications to the final draft version of the plan.

They agreed to several changes related to Small Area Plans, including limiting references to "form," "scale," "rhythm" and other subjective terms.

Commissioners also went to great lengths to again stress that the comprehensive plan is a policy document, not a regulatory document, and that zoning decisions ultimately will be based on the zoning code.

What’s next?
The Planning Commission had hoped to reopen the public hearing on the comprehensive plan April 28. However, commissioners have not finished reviewing it.

So on that day, commissioners will meet to continue the public hearing to a date as yet undetermined. They will then hold another special meeting to continue their review of the plan.

That special meeting is scheduled for 1:45 p.m. April 28 at City Hall.

For more information, go online to tulsaworld.com/planitulsa.

Are they legally purchasing these properties from willing sellers at full market value?  Or are they talking about eminent domain?  Or worse yet, letting them fall into disrepair slumlord style collecting rent THEN razing them?  Kind of depends on the tactic whether one would consider it "hostile" but in any fashion I would be opposed to it.  Those neighborhoods are Tulsa.

I'm curious what else is getting slipped in that we won't find out about until it's all over.

Slipped in and torn out... I am beginning to wonder what, if any, differences the new plan will have from the old one? 

well your facts still don't absolve the fact that the maps were determined using a wide swath of community input, and now you have a small group of tenants who want to change a certain area.  How about any and every neighborhood association come back in and provide similiar plans around their areas?   Would they be afforded the same forum as this group of hospital reps?  I doubt it.  I mean, just go ahead and undermine all of the "public input" game that was played.

The fix is in.  The development lobby has done everything according to plan.  Don't provide input during the huge public PR campaign, then swoop in crying fowl not enough time, etc etc and then offer small plans that effect them the most.  and it shall be known as PlaniSham.

The wide swath of the community did the wide swath plan, there are several inset plans including downtown and your area done by people in that area. As he said the hospital is submitting their version and other people to get to add their input to it.