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Title: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: BierGarten on May 22, 2009, 07:38:04 am
I have always thought one would succeed in Tulsa -- Movies, Food and Drinks all in the same place at the same time.  I think most people that have been to an Alamo (or similar place) would agree that it is great for a change of pace and a lot of fun.

Alamo Drafthouse has announced its intentions to build two theaters in Tulsa!

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=32&articleid=20090520_32_E1_Thousa896432&archive=yes (http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=32&articleid=20090520_32_E1_Thousa896432&archive=yes)

I was surprised to see the article a couple of days ago because I have always read the Oklahoma statutes as to prohibit the sale of alcohol in a "motion picture theater."

Here are the pertinent statutes:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?id=78022&hits= (http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?id=78022&hits=)

which states:

"No retail license or permit to sell low-point beer shall be issued for any establishment that functions as a motion picture theater. If an establishment, which has functioned for some other purpose, has been licensed to sell such beverages and subsequently is operated as a motion picture theater, the license or permit shall be revoked."

And Subsection V of the following statute:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/OCISWeb/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=438617 (http://www.oscn.net/applications/OCISWeb/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=438617)

which states:

"V. A beer and wine license shall authorize the holder thereof: To purchase beer and wine in retail containers from the holder of a wholesaler or Class B wholesaler license or as specifically provided by law and to sell, offer for sale and possess beer and wine for on-premises consumption only; provided, the holder of a beer and wine license issued for an establishment which is also a restaurant may purchase wine produced at wineries in this state directly from an Oklahoma winemaker as provided in Section 3 of Article XXVIII of the Oklahoma Constitution.

Sales and service of beer and wine by holders of beer and wine licenses shall be limited to the licensed premises of the licensee unless the holder of the beer and wine license also obtains a caterer license. A beer and wine license shall only be issued in counties of this state where the sale of alcoholic beverages by the individual drink for on-premises consumption has been authorized. A separate license shall be required for each place of business. No beer and wine license shall be issued for any place of business functioning as a motion picture theater, as defined by Section 506 of this title. No spirits shall be stored, possessed or consumed on the licensed premises of a beer and wine licensee."

I do note that:

"Motion picture theater" means a place where motion pictures are exhibited and to which the general public is admitted, but does not include a place where meals, as defined by this section, are served, if only persons over twenty-one (21) years of age are admitted;

Perhaps that is the wrinkle I have never noticed before; if they don't allow admission to anyone under 21 they can sell alcohol?

That would be shame.  Hopefully they can get around that somehow.

In any event, I am excited they are exploring a Tulsa location or two.  Hopefully they put one downtown or in midtown...


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: EricP on May 22, 2009, 08:07:39 am
I was JUST saying that this idea would be awesome here... I wish I could invest in the franchise!


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Conan71 on May 22, 2009, 08:10:58 am
Vincent Vega would love the concept:

"All right. Well, you can walk into a movie theater in Amsterdam and buy a beer. And I don't mean just like in no paper cup, I'm talking about a glass of beer."

(http://roddysrockinreviews.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/vincent-vega.jpg)


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: kylieosu on May 22, 2009, 08:15:14 am


In any event, I am excited they are exploring a Tulsa location or two.  Hopefully they put one downtown or in midtown...


WORD. I was so excited when I saw this in the TW the other day. I always try to catch a flick at Alamo when I'm in Austin....love the random old cheesy music videos they play before the shows start. I think it will be an extremely successful venture here.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: cannon_fodder on May 22, 2009, 08:18:51 am
How awesome would it be if this went in downtown?

It is a DESTINATION.  People go to such a place driving by other theaters to get there.  After the movie they will probably want to go DO something.  Downtown would be perfect.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Conan71 on May 22, 2009, 09:12:44 am
How awesome would it be if this went in downtown?

It is a DESTINATION.  People go to such a place driving by other theaters to get there.  After the movie they will probably want to go DO something.  Downtown would be perfect.

ONLY if they serve Joe Momma's pizza and Marshall's Beer.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: PepePeru on May 22, 2009, 09:20:36 am
2nd & elgin.

2nd & greenwood



Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: jtcrissup on May 22, 2009, 09:58:46 am
"Alamo is seeking a franchisee who is up to the challenge of serving 1,200 meals in the short time before the lights dim and the picture starts, but Martin said he's "very certain" he'll be able to get Alamo up and running in the metro area within two years."

Hoping that someone will step up and do this, preferably in downtown (although the existing theaters are cheaper to get started).  My wife and I considered it when we moved from Austin to Tulsa 3 years ago, but neither of us had any relevant experience and as I recall the up front costs are pretty steep (although it seems like the payout could be as little as 3-4 years if it "takes off").  It would be cool if somehow Circle Cinema could get looped into this deal as one of the two locations...it is very "Alamo-esque", has some name recognition around town already, and is currently working on their second theater at their current location (not to mention Swinney's is no mas, so there is room to grow!).  Could be known as the "Alamo Circle Cinema".  My first vote, though, would have to be downtown somewhere...maybe in those shell buildings on second down the street from Dilly Deli/Temple?  I would LOVE to be a part of this deal...+1 on Joe Momma's pizza and Marshall beer being served as featured foods/drinks. 


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: carltonplace on May 22, 2009, 10:25:59 am
Wonder if the Nordam property is big enough for this?


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: sgrizzle on May 22, 2009, 11:25:56 am
That says you can't get a beer license for a movie theater, what about a full liquor license?


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: joiei on May 22, 2009, 11:32:00 am
Maybe it is time to get a law either adjusted or repealed. 


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: BierGarten on May 22, 2009, 12:06:36 pm
That says you can't get a beer license for a movie theater, what about a full liquor license?

Sorry about that.  I left out the third license of the trifecta.  Liquor licenses ("mixed beverage licenses") are restricted in the same way...

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?id=438617&hits=7817+7816+7815+5567+5566+5565+3288+3287+3286+1092+1091+1090+ (http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?id=438617&hits=7817+7816+7815+5567+5566+5565+3288+3287+3286+1092+1091+1090+)

"H. A mixed beverage license shall authorize the holder thereof: To purchase alcohol, spirits, beer or wine in retail containers from the holder of a wholesaler or Class B wholesaler license or as specifically provided by law and to sell, offer for sale and possess mixed beverages for on-premises consumption only; provided, the holder of a mixed beverage license issued for an establishment which is also a restaurant may purchase wine produced at wineries in this state directly from an Oklahoma winemaker as provided in Section 3 of Article XXVIII of the Oklahoma Constitution.

Sales and service of mixed beverages by holders of mixed beverage licenses shall be limited to the licensed premises of the licensee unless the holder of the mixed beverage license also obtains a caterer license or a mixed beverage/caterer combination license. A mixed beverage license shall only be issued in counties of this state where the sale of alcoholic beverages by the individual drink for on-premises consumption has been authorized. A separate license shall be required for each place of business. No mixed beverage license shall be issued for any place of business functioning as a motion picture theater, as defined by Section 506 of this title."



Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Conan71 on May 22, 2009, 12:41:59 pm
I'm curious if they could circumvent the beer and/or liquor license issue by using a catering license to serve it.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: nathanm on May 22, 2009, 12:48:50 pm
I'm curious if they could circumvent the beer and/or liquor license issue by using a catering license to serve it.
I seem to remember a place in Columbus that does this has a separate bar area that has windows that happen to overlook the theater so you can see the film. Perhaps that could be done in Oklahoma, if it were run as a separate corporate entity.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: BierGarten on May 22, 2009, 01:43:07 pm
I'm curious if they could circumvent the beer and/or liquor license issue by using a catering license to serve it.

I think if they had a catering license and served the beer/mixed beverage, they would still technically be using the underlying beer/mixed beverage license that allowed them to serve alcohol in the first place...


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: BierGarten on May 22, 2009, 01:45:44 pm
I seem to remember a place in Columbus that does this has a separate bar area that has windows that happen to overlook the theater so you can see the film. Perhaps that could be done in Oklahoma, if it were run as a separate corporate entity.

I can not imagine deciding to place a multi million dollar investment on a fractured reading of the statutes that way.  One would have to argue that the separate bar's license was not issued to a "business functioning as a motion picture theater." 


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: nathanm on May 22, 2009, 01:50:19 pm
I can not imagine deciding to place a multi million dollar investment on a fractured reading of the statutes that way.  One would have to argue that the separate bar's license was not issued to a "business functioning as a motion picture theater." 
If they were two separate corporate entities, one which runs a motion picture theater, and one which runs a bar in separate space under the same roof, there's no tortured reading whatsoever there.

Besides, when it comes to alcohol, the law is irrelevant. What the ABLE commission will allow or can be persuaded to allow is the only thing that really matters.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: cannon_fodder on May 22, 2009, 01:52:40 pm
It is a non-issue really:

Quote
23. "Motion picture theater" means a place where motion pictures are exhibited and to which the general public is admitted, but does not include a place where meals, as defined by this section, are served, if only persons over twenty-one (21) years of age are admitted;
Okla. Stat. tit. 37 § 506 (23) (http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=78051)

If they only admit people over the age of 21 and serve meals, they are good to go.  Most only allow people over 17 with a guardian in select groups anyway.  They then have "baby nights" that allow others in.  They are geared towards the 21+  crowd anyway, so the restriction would not be a death sentence.

Or you could go all Utah and require a family membership to come in (like Utah bars).  $5 per family per year for a membership, and you get 5 guest passes.  This complies with the statute but makes the law the farce that it is.

Setup shop operating under the existing laws, then simply lobby to get the arcane law altered a little.   Why is it worse to watch a movie, eat and have a beer than to go to TGI's, eat, watch Monday Night Football and have a beer?


(and +1 on the law not really being relevant.  Technically by statute 3.2% beer is not an intoxicating beverage, but you still get a ticket walking around with one in your hand)


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: TheArtist on May 22, 2009, 05:16:00 pm
Havent been bowling in a while, but cant you buy alchohol in a bowling alley? If so, whats the difference between a bowling alley and a movie theater/restaurant? You can eat at both, there are kids at both, they are both entertainment venues.

I went to one of these movie/dinner places in Dallas and enjoyed it. If they put one in downtown,,,, let me be the first to say the obvious.... I hope its an art-deco themed theater?  ;D


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: OpenYourEyesTulsa on May 28, 2009, 08:37:57 am
The liquor laws in the state are so outdated.  You can't buy wine at a grocery store on Sunday because none of that is allowed.  It is embarassing when people come her from out of state and notice that.  You cannot have wine shipped to your home in Oklahoma either.  There needs to be a petition to get a modernized law on the ballot.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: kylieosu on May 28, 2009, 09:52:19 am
The liquor laws in the state are so outdated.  You can't buy wine at a grocery store on Sunday because none of that is allowed.  It is embarassing when people come her from out of state and notice that.  You cannot have wine shipped to your home in Oklahoma either.  There needs to be a petition to get a modernized law on the ballot.

Agreed. It is pretty embarrassing.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Townsend on May 28, 2009, 10:23:30 am
The liquor laws in the state are so outdated.  You can't buy wine at a grocery store on Sunday because none of that is allowed.  It is embarassing when people come her from out of state and notice that.  You cannot have wine shipped to your home in Oklahoma either.  There needs to be a petition to get a modernized law on the ballot.

We'd have to keep the liquor stores, ABLE, and distributorships away from any lobby groups.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: EricP on May 28, 2009, 10:26:47 am
Dear Oklahoma lawmakers, stop stifling businesses and innovation just because some of it may involve alcohol. Vegas knows that tipsy customers spend more. pancakes is wrong with you? GAWD.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Conan71 on May 28, 2009, 10:30:32 am
We'd have to keep the liquor stores, ABLE, and distributorships away from any lobby groups.

Almost sounds like organized crime controls our liquor distribution system.

Ooops shouldn't have said that, I'll never be able to start my truck again w/o worrying about it blowing up now.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: cannon_fodder on May 28, 2009, 10:36:45 am
There is a petition every other year to get something in the laws changed.  It always fails.

1) Multi tier distribution props up otherwise irrelevant companies.  They have every incentive to lobby as hard as possible and spend 100% of their profits on keeping it that way.  The result is restricted access and inflated prices for consumers.

2) Liquor store only laws increase prices and grant a monopoly to the liquor store owners.  They have a huge incentive to make sure it stays that way.  The result is restricted access to responsible persons (how many alcoholics just stay sober on Sunday because they forgot to get the liter on Saturday?) and a liquor store every other block.

3) Low point beer enables happy-go-lucky puritans to pretend like Oklahomans don't get drunk.  Since they all drink anyway they figure this mild concession keeps Jesus happy.  The result is a lack of choice (many just won't distribute their product in Oklahoma), lots of pain in the neck, increased expense, and a total farce (we get drunk anyway).

4) Not shipping wine helps the distributors.  If all product has to flow through them, including wine produced in state, they get a chunk of all the action.  The result is inconvenience, more expense, restricted access, and a hindrance to our domestic alcohol industry (wine and beer).

5) Close on Sundays helps out the liquor stores and the puritans.  Given that no where else can sell actual wine or alcohol, the liquor stores don't really care if they have to be closed one day a week - a built in holiday for a business owner with no chance of losing business.  And of course the puritans don't drink . . . so no one else should either on the Sabbath.  The result is of course just a pain in the donkey to Average Joe who wants a bottle of Wine with dinner or some damn rum for a mojito on a hot Sunday evening.  The bastards.

Alcoholics will stock up ahead of time or just drink 3.2 beer until they are satisfied.  It serves no purpose for the consumer.  None of the above laws do anything for the consumer for that matter.

6) No alcohol at movies just makes no sense.  Who cares?  Why can't I decide to go to a movie theater with beer if I want to?  Jerks.

- - - - - -


I won't bother addressing underage drinking with any of these laws because they have ZERO effect.  A grocery store or gas station can already get you drunk and already has to check IDs.  A teenager isn't going to order wine online and pay for it with a credit card and have it shipped in 2 - 3 weeks to his parents house when he could just have a wino buy him some Mad Dog for $10.

Question - do you know hoe much alcohol an 18 year old college student gets?
Answer - as much as he wants.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Requiemokc on May 28, 2009, 11:22:51 am
Sounds great. If its anything like Warren was for Oklahoma City, then this should be a great addition for Tulsa!  :)


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: DTowner on May 29, 2009, 02:39:48 pm
As I recall, the short-lived artsy movie theater in the building occupied by Tsunami and Dwelling Spaces served wine and beer.  So perhaps there is some loophole in the Oklahoma liquor statutes.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: TulsaGuy on February 24, 2014, 12:24:27 pm
Does anyone know the status of a Tulsa location for Alamo Drafthouse?  Is this still a possibility for downtown?


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: SXSW on March 15, 2014, 11:22:57 am
Downtown, specifically Blue Dome, would be a perfect spot.  Something like this fronting Elgin at 2nd would really help tie all of the new development along that street together.  There aren't many old buildings left to rehab, now it's time to start in filling the parking lots. 


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: DowntownDan on March 17, 2014, 10:25:37 am
I thought I read some time ago that a drafthouse type theater was one of Blake Ewings ongoing projects and that the lot at 5th and Elgin was being considered.  Maybe it could franchise Alamo drafthouse but I'd be kind of skeptical that Alamo would want to leave Texas markets.  The concept I think would be great for downtown however it happens and regardless of what it is named.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: BKDotCom on March 17, 2014, 12:50:01 pm
I thought I read some time ago that a drafthouse type theater was one of Blake Ewings ongoing projects and that the lot at 5th and Elgin was being considered.  Maybe it could franchise Alamo drafthouse but I'd be kind of skeptical that Alamo would want to leave Texas markets.  The concept I think would be great for downtown however it happens and regardless of what it is named.

I think Blake is focusing more on his existing businesses.
http://blakeewing.tumblr.com/post/77928774699/fixing-our-smile-vs-going-away
Somewhat evidenced by him pulling out of Archer Folks Market


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: SXSW on March 17, 2014, 02:03:39 pm
I thought I read some time ago that a drafthouse type theater was one of Blake Ewings ongoing projects and that the lot at 5th and Elgin was being considered.  Maybe it could franchise Alamo drafthouse but I'd be kind of skeptical that Alamo would want to leave Texas markets.  The concept I think would be great for downtown however it happens and regardless of what it is named.

They have already expanded outside of Texas.  They have at least one in Virginia, and one in Littleton, CO.  Another is planned for Denver in a mixed use redevelopment of an old hospital near downtown.  Oklahoma seems like a natural for then since many here are already familiar with the concept.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Townsend on March 17, 2014, 02:42:53 pm
They have already expanded outside of Texas.  They have at least one in Virginia, and one in Littleton, CO.  Another is planned for Denver in a mixed use redevelopment of an old hospital near downtown.  Oklahoma seems like a natural for then since many here are already familiar with the concept.

Was there a way around the whole "no booze served in a movie theater" law we have in Oklahoma?


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: TeeDub on March 17, 2014, 03:44:02 pm
Was there a way around the whole "no booze served in a movie theater" law we have in Oklahoma?

They only allow people 21 and up in the balcony area where they serve the booze.
(In Moore, OK)

http://www.warrentheatres.com/oscars.asp


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: SXSW on March 17, 2014, 08:28:06 pm
They only allow people 21 and up in the balcony area where they serve the booze.
(In Moore, OK)

http://www.warrentheatres.com/oscars.asp

As long as the area is separate, which it is at the Drafthouse and Warren, then it's legal.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: SXSW on March 11, 2018, 09:06:40 pm
North OKC location announced http://www.okctalk.com/content.php?r=478-Alamo-Drafthouse-planning-OKC-location (http://www.okctalk.com/content.php?r=478-Alamo-Drafthouse-planning-OKC-location)

Tulsa can't be far behind, right?  I still think downtown would be a perfect spot for one, specifically 1st & Frankfort.  Build it on the parking lot east of McNellies with the main entrance fronting 1st Street and parking in a (finally) paved lot behind

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pBYn-S5VVGqr-PitTh1Vh9QL7En_5fVZUUTdUMr0MZIwGCjb846lT3hLmtTfyWCEBRKtstdLdFwg752Po_Q7EG8WhHohBkgLfNOWQAi9u3D6KH6JckFVzNsImBPeliA_OTNOHvXjsNYVFLx1jfH89tKd2fvoYB3qTc2LOE6lR4b9taT-Y4NkIZ4sFN1kZzxnqBA4a2oZLhfY9-Lg8D1Et1XID_826rHFy3MuA7ldyYrTqJklnS1qpDjmoSUlb2Kh4IjTBHYVTJjint1OjoSHlgycMbzXO2j-jfaVf0M698A5m11asRLEL4wgY0dHIbMCxq45mA_hNsjxQ_iCECsxKslWHdIh9RP154nSYEeVOflzsUjKeaHWchgPMZxtHWQ5gZCKhkHf8qTLVkiF4CuvDZtyOid-eUiNFmeqdKLoXfRRa2DxkgX0PQ2frBFd62XhdAutl8ZoewyXAHcCOQzv1AI7Q1gUC7MqQPubO2iFwSdyGl0pUzRovt86lJDZNp45cQ1jqYG8FfBU4XphopBNNUGcQXJfreWQRv14MJ-8CI8ih7f51inyNo75CrO4Vua-HyMMrwpZdbEa3wUNaq4fQ2wQha5pFu7nLL0LA1s=w1488-h1009-no)

Alamo Drafthouse Sloan's Lake (Denver) - completed in 2016 and roughly the same size as the site above
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4LFbesYdFqE0lumBgMBed4Xp0h3ixEPL9bCrJ9u4vLYCvwAf47-5m51o77_cvE5Ae8B65zr5_yAPBQgTEFZS6n6p0XGU3GXgHbSCKcladxoMmv3VyTuMAyZqylKMZ09epdmOrgkeW7UStF_sJBNC2qizd6Du88zoD5McpQ5Azivs4_y0QZpVicGrdi-F_xuL1VNTzb2kz1XTHTm_qZypV-Vn2u-MEAh0aPzqn6F0FPyyBeoiH5jvcWsLOwuF9UTIVZC_sLKW12cw7YG16au2dN1yLry5NsmpdA0Zp06d3bcJk9RgGvsiryneudCUapDqYMRTLx4pAyyjb8rUFyaDymTOCZf5u2fb66UrXDFrHrkyU09W8EB6mVrMAe8V3uEi7ChIdaiCk5JoLW2cGKT7vaIMiNVVqeRkqDk_LFO1ruVl59xT13DGiNSNc-ceBQHSW-r8iRu2RT-yj_9J6xyC-Sz-PisxAmqOZ442kHdXCVt3oOQt92W058VyllKFebt5vq9ULBVuiZyIMrM9iK26KbNhaU1aK4mUwv_cHoukoP6adEYBvKhwLZvWnPampbVmlEArf-9n6vUJs8iu0CBnaO0htaBlECDWud23h-A=w1378-h1095-no)


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on March 11, 2018, 10:09:33 pm
Are SXSW's images missing for anyone else?


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: swake on March 11, 2018, 10:53:16 pm
Are SXSW's images missing for anyone else?
I can see them


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: MostSeriousness on March 12, 2018, 06:29:49 am
Are SXSW's images missing for anyone else?

I can't see them. In the past week or two I've seen a lot of "missing" images, not sure if just one or other users (desktop viewer, here)


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: BKDotCom on March 12, 2018, 07:48:53 am
Are SXSW's images missing for anyone else?

Yup


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Hoss on March 12, 2018, 07:53:33 am
Are SXSW's images missing for anyone else?

Yes


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: SXSW on March 12, 2018, 08:53:08 am
Are SXSW's images missing for anyone else?

Apparently you can't see linked images from Google Photos unless you are on a desktop  ???


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: BKDotCom on March 12, 2018, 08:54:16 am
Apparently you can't see linked images from Google Photos unless you are on a desktop  ???

?
I'm using Chrome on a laptop -> no images


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: TeeDub on March 12, 2018, 09:04:47 am
Google apparently doesn't like the way you link.

from 2009

The best answer I can supply is maybe never, and on the corner of 12th and Never.
The question? When is the Alamo Drafthouse, a beer-and-grub moviehouse operation out of Texas, coming to Tulsa, and where is it going to be located?

http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/remember-the-alamo-forget-about-it/article_66a50c84-170c-5e1e-b050-480c36f07208.html


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: rebound on March 12, 2018, 09:42:57 am
?
I'm using Chrome on a laptop -> no images

Same.  I can't see them either.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Hoss on March 12, 2018, 09:49:47 am
Apparently you can't see linked images from Google Photos unless you are on a desktop  ???

I'm on a desktop using the latest Google Chrome.  Still no images.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: SXSW on March 12, 2018, 09:52:29 am
Google apparently doesn't like the way you link.

from 2009

The best answer I can supply is maybe never, and on the corner of 12th and Never.
The question? When is the Alamo Drafthouse, a beer-and-grub moviehouse operation out of Texas, coming to Tulsa, and where is it going to be located?

http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/remember-the-alamo-forget-about-it/article_66a50c84-170c-5e1e-b050-480c36f07208.html

The article mentioned they are franchising the concept, which is what the one in OKC will be (and all other new locations outside Texas).  I know Blake Ewing had mentioned wanting to bring this concept downtown.  If not Blake then it seems like something the McNellies Group would potentially get behind especially along 1st St where they already have the original McNellies, El Guapo and eventually Santa Fe Square across the street.  1st & Detroit could work too.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: DowntownDan on March 12, 2018, 02:08:35 pm
In Tulsa I bet it would be South Tulsa.  The OKC location is the South Tulsa equivalent.  Would be a big missed opportunity.  I even think it would be a good fit in the Pearl District.  They built a location in the Cedars neighborhood in Dallas just outside downtown.  It's sort of a Pearl District equivalent for Dallas.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: SXSW on March 12, 2018, 02:56:00 pm
In Tulsa I bet it would be South Tulsa.  The OKC location is the South Tulsa equivalent.  Would be a big missed opportunity.  I even think it would be a good fit in the Pearl District.  They built a location in the Cedars neighborhood in Dallas just outside downtown.  It's sort of a Pearl District equivalent for Dallas.

It would be another entertainment option downtown, one that currently is a pretty big void.  Outside of Circle Cinema (which is awesome) the only other movie theater option in midtown is the AMC.



Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: BKDotCom on March 12, 2018, 03:10:34 pm
It would be another entertainment option downtown, one that currently is a pretty big void.  Outside of Circle Cinema (which is awesome) the only other movie theater option in midtown is the AMC.

You forgot about the "midtown theater" @ 3rd & Elgin


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: DowntownDan on March 12, 2018, 03:11:23 pm
It would be another entertainment option downtown, one that currently is a pretty big void.  Outside of Circle Cinema (which is awesome) the only other movie theater option in midtown is the AMC.



I wholeheartedly agree.  If it were the original Texas group, I bet they would lean towards a hipper location like downtown or close to downtown.  But the franchisor groups appear to be preferring sprawling areas.  Even the franchisors in Texas are starting to build more in sprawling areas.  Let's be honest, even in South Tulsa, an Alamo Drafthouse would compete favorably against AMCs.  People from midtown would go to it (I admit, I would).  The reverse may be a little less true.  Never forget the South Tulsa mantra:  "There's no parking downtown!!!!"


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: TeeDub on March 12, 2018, 03:15:44 pm
It would be another entertainment option downtown, one that currently is a pretty big void.  Outside of Circle Cinema (which is awesome) the only other movie theater option in midtown is the AMC.



And the Regal across the street.   And the Admiral Twin.    And the cheap one on 31st.





Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: swake on March 12, 2018, 03:42:22 pm
And the Regal across the street.   And the Admiral Twin.    And the cheap one on 31st.


I don't know that I would call 31st and Sheridan "midtown", and I read that place closed last week. It was pretty disgusting 20 years ago, I can't imagine what it was like when it closed.

Promenade Regal was also a bit shabby when I went there recently. And empty. They never even bothered to change the signage from Hollywood Theaters and Regal bought them out years ago.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: hello on March 13, 2018, 06:38:34 am
I still haven't been to the Warren. There is a limit to how far South I'll go to see a movie.

Sadly, the AMC at 41st has been looking pretty shabby lately.  :-[


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: TeeDub on March 13, 2018, 06:46:18 am

I thought it had the awesome reclining chairs?     (Someone told me that the Cinemark at 169/71st now has chairs that move with the movie....)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBbEaEUqtnY


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: DowntownDan on March 13, 2018, 07:25:42 am
And the Regal across the street.   And the Admiral Twin.    And the cheap one on 31st.





Does AMC Southroads and Regal still play different movies?  They sort-of really combine to form one midtown theater because their movies don't overlap.  Unless that's changed.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Jeff P on March 13, 2018, 08:24:38 am
Yeah I go to the AMC at 41st all the time.  I don't think it's shabby at all.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: rebound on March 13, 2018, 08:31:42 am
Yeah I go to the AMC at 41st all the time.  I don't think it's shabby at all.

Same.  Don't go there all the time, but was there not long ago and it looked fine to me.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: hello on March 13, 2018, 09:09:20 am
Have you been in the theatre when the lights are on? The seats are really run down, and it isn't that clean.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: erfalf on March 13, 2018, 09:28:14 am
Have you been in the theatre when the lights are on? The seats are really run down, and it isn't that clean.

Southroads was just updated in 2013 with new recliners and everything. Haven't been in over a year, but the last time I went we chose that theater on purpose because it was nice to go to.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Oil Capital on March 13, 2018, 09:51:02 am
In Tulsa I bet it would be South Tulsa.  The OKC location is the South Tulsa equivalent.  Would be a big missed opportunity.  I even think it would be a good fit in the Pearl District.  They built a location in the Cedars neighborhood in Dallas just outside downtown.  It's sort of a Pearl District equivalent for Dallas.

It's worth noting that Alamo Drafthouse in Dallas' Cedars area only happened because of a pretty large subsidy from the city.  (almost $2 million)


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: hello on March 13, 2018, 09:57:24 am
Southroads was just updated in 2013 with new recliners and everything. Haven't been in over a year, but the last time I went we chose that theater on purpose because it was nice to go to.

I'm aware. Outside of Circle it is the only other place I regularly go to see a movie. In the past 6 months I've noticed a decline. Hopefully this trend will reverse because there aren't many options in midtown and I enjoy the recliners.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: erfalf on March 13, 2018, 10:14:55 am
It's worth noting that Alamo Drafthouse in Dallas' Cedars area only happened because of a pretty large subsidy from the city.  (almost $2 million)

Do you have any idea if the Power & Light Alamo had a similar arrangement? I know when we went last winter the crowd was pretty sparse for the Last Jedi. It may have been the weather too as it was bitterly cold. But it was a late Saturday night and it wasn't the opening weekend. Just hard to imagine a theater as big as that one making it on the dozen or so people I saw in the lobby areas and in the hall I was watching in.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: SXSW on March 13, 2018, 10:40:57 am
Do you have any idea if the Power & Light Alamo had a similar arrangement? I know when we went last winter the crowd was pretty sparse for the Last Jedi. It may have been the weather too as it was bitterly cold. But it was a late Saturday night and it wasn't the opening weekend. Just hard to imagine a theater as big as that one making it on the dozen or so people I saw in the lobby areas and in the hall I was watching in.

That is an awesome theater in KC.  It used to be an AMC.  Tulsa had a couple similar theaters downtown but they were all torn down.   :(

(http://kansascity.carpediem.cd/data/afisha/o/0d/11/0d11879404.jpg)


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on March 13, 2018, 11:35:40 am
At least we have one theater downtown still.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Oil Capital on March 13, 2018, 12:48:00 pm
Do you have any idea if the Power & Light Alamo had a similar arrangement? I know when we went last winter the crowd was pretty sparse for the Last Jedi. It may have been the weather too as it was bitterly cold. But it was a late Saturday night and it wasn't the opening weekend. Just hard to imagine a theater as big as that one making it on the dozen or so people I saw in the lobby areas and in the hall I was watching in.

I do not know if there was a specific subsidy for the Alamo, but the Power & Light District was (and is) hugely subsidized. (To the tune of Millions of dollars per year for many years.  $14.2 Million this year.)

So it's fair to say that without subsidy, the KC P&L District Alamo Drafthouse would not exist either.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Tulsa Zephyr on March 13, 2018, 03:10:31 pm
We've been to the Warren once and it was a great, though expensive, experience.  We were in the Director's Suite (21 and over, with chair service and the recliners are heated).  Tickets were $22 apiece.  My go-to theaters are the Circle and the AMC20, but as noted, the AMC20 has seen a serious decline in the state of repair for their seats which are a fairly recent installation.  The auditoriums with the recliners all have a number of seats that have ripped fabric and don't look so good in the light, but all the recliners still work.  The cleanliness of the AMC20 is inconsistent.  There was a period of time in the not too distant past when the concession counters looked like they hadn't been cleaned in a while.  AMC sends me an email survey every once in a while and I'm honest about what I see.  

FYI, if you go to the movies a lot (and I do), I discovered Movie Pass.  Google it.  I don't work for Movie Pass, but it has saved me a ton of money.  I see between 6 - 10 movies at theaters per month, so it really is a good deal for me.  I really would like to see an Alamo Drafthouse come downtown.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Jeff P on March 13, 2018, 03:11:38 pm
Southroads was just updated in 2013 with new recliners and everything. Haven't been in over a year, but the last time I went we chose that theater on purpose because it was nice to go to.

Yeah I just saw I, Tonya there a few weeks ago.  

I mean... it's a movie theater... no movie theater is the paradigm of cleanliness... I wouldn't eat off the floor or seats, but I'll go and sit in there for a few hours with a bucket of popcorn and soda.



Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Conan71 on March 13, 2018, 04:45:38 pm
At least we have one theater downtown still.

I don't think the Mid-Town Arts Theater qualifies.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on March 13, 2018, 06:44:12 pm
We've been to the Warren once and it was a great, though expensive, experience.  We were in the Director's Suite (21 and over, with chair service and the recliners are heated).  Tickets were $22 apiece.  My go-to theaters are the Circle and the AMC20, but as noted, the AMC20 has seen a serious decline in the state of repair for their seats which are a fairly recent installation.  The auditoriums with the recliners all have a number of seats that have ripped fabric and don't look so good in the light, but all the recliners still work.  The cleanliness of the AMC20 is inconsistent.  There was a period of time in the not too distant past when the concession counters looked like they hadn't been cleaned in a while.  AMC sends me an email survey every once in a while and I'm honest about what I see.  

FYI, if you go to the movies a lot (and I do), I discovered Movie Pass.  Google it.  I don't work for Movie Pass, but it has saved me a ton of money.  I see between 6 - 10 movies at theaters per month, so it really is a good deal for me.  I really would like to see an Alamo Drafthouse come downtown.


Movie Pass is developing software to track your moves before and after you go to a movie to target you with specific advertising.

Quote
Lowe said that was possible because “we get an enormous amount of information. Since we mail you the card, we know your home address . . . we know the makeup of that household, the kids, the age groups, the income. It’s all based on where you live. It’s not that we ask that. You can extrapolate that.

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“Then,” Lowe continued, “Because you are being tracked in your GPS by the phone . . . we watch how you drive from home to the movies. We watch where you go afterwards, and so we know the movies you watch. We know all about you. We don’t sell that data. What we do is we use that data to market film.”

In a followup statement to the press, a MoviePass spokesperson said the company was “exploring utilizing location based marketing as a way to help enhance the overall experience,” including by using data “to better inform how to market potential customer benefits including discounts on transportation, coupons for nearby restaurants, and other similar opportunities.” Most importantly, the spokesperson reiterated Lowe’s claim that MoviePass won’t sell user data to third parties

http://fortune.com/2018/03/10/moviepass-data-gathering/ (http://fortune.com/2018/03/10/moviepass-data-gathering/)


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Tulsa Zephyr on March 13, 2018, 10:04:48 pm
In this day and age, there's nothing we do that is not tracked.  I'm aware that I may be the target of their algorithms and know it's ultimately my choice whether or not I pay attention to their suggestions, though Movie Pass does not advertise on their app, and I'm happy to be able to see a movie a day if I want to by paying less than $10 per month.  NSA's fusion centers have way more data on me than Movie Pass will ever have.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on March 14, 2018, 08:59:32 am
They sent an e-mail saying they turned off tracking when you aren't using the app. LOL, what an idiot to say that out loud.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: sgrizzle on March 15, 2018, 03:24:18 pm
We've been to the Warren once and it was a great, though expensive, experience.  We were in the Director's Suite (21 and over, with chair service and the recliners are heated).  Tickets were $22 apiece.  My go-to theaters are the Circle and the AMC20, but as noted, the AMC20 has seen a serious decline in the state of repair for their seats which are a fairly recent installation.  The auditoriums with the recliners all have a number of seats that have ripped fabric and don't look so good in the light, but all the recliners still work.  The cleanliness of the AMC20 is inconsistent.  There was a period of time in the not too distant past when the concession counters looked like they hadn't been cleaned in a while.  AMC sends me an email survey every once in a while and I'm honest about what I see.  

FYI, if you go to the movies a lot (and I do), I discovered Movie Pass.  Google it.  I don't work for Movie Pass, but it has saved me a ton of money.  I see between 6 - 10 movies at theaters per month, so it really is a good deal for me.  I really would like to see an Alamo Drafthouse come downtown.

I'm an AMC-goer and also noticed the AMC in need of repair. They need a refresh and to permanently remove the side concession areas and put in a real kitchen and bar possibly instead.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: SXSW on March 31, 2018, 03:07:59 pm
Interesting new concept planned for downtown OKC, a restaurant/pub with a 2 screen theater:

(http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/socialcinema1.jpg)

http://newsok.com/article/5588914/downtown-oklahoma-city-building-to-become-site-for-food-drink-and-movies (http://newsok.com/article/5588914/downtown-oklahoma-city-building-to-become-site-for-food-drink-and-movies)


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: sgrizzle on April 03, 2018, 03:32:42 pm
Based on the floorpan, it looks like they expect people to go and eat without seeing a movie. Why?


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: BKDotCom on April 03, 2018, 07:06:20 pm
Based on the floorpan, it looks like they expect people to go and eat without seeing a movie. Why?


Sports on TVs, beer on tap, food? 
I ate at a place today that didn't have any screens at all.  Music was a bit loud though. 
Why'd I go there?  It was lunch time.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: hello on April 04, 2018, 07:21:10 am
Based on the floorpan, it looks like they expect people to go and eat without seeing a movie. Why?


I think that's smart. Reminds me of the Aladdin Theater in Portland.


Title: Re: Alamo Drafthouse Tulsa!
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on April 05, 2018, 03:19:05 pm
I went to an Alamo Drafthouse in San Antonio. It doesn't really offer an experience any better than the Warren Theatre does. I enjoyed the time at the Warren Theatre better. Food wasn't amazing, but the idea of having a steak dinner, beer and a movie was a pretty interesting enjoyable experience. Alamo Drafthouse food wasn't special and the screen was a lot smaller with simpler decor.