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April 30th, 2009


Churchgoers more likely to back torture, survey finds
Posted: 01:55 PM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) — "The more often Americans go to church, the more likely they are to support the torture of suspected terrorists, according to a new analysis.

More than half of people who attend services at least once a week — 54 percent — said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is “often” or “sometimes” justified. Only 42 percent of people who “seldom or never” go to services agreed, according the analysis released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

White evangelical Protestants were the religious group most likely to say torture is often or sometimes justified — more than 6 in 10 supported it. People unaffiliated with any religious organization were least likely to back it. Only 4 in 10 of them did.

The analysis is based on a Pew Research Center survey of 742 American adults conducted April 14-21. It did not include analysis of groups other than white evangelicals, white non-Hispanic Catholics, white mainline Protestants, and the religiously unaffiliated, because the sample size was too small."


Wasn't Jesus tortured for our sins?

Wednesday, April 29, 2009
The Problem with the Jesus License Plates

http://baldwinparkdemocrat.blogspot.com/2009/04/problem-with-jesus-license-plates.html

If people want to express their personal beliefs, that's just fine. Use bumper stickers. The use of state required, regulated and controlled license plates gives the impression that the state is endorsing the views expressed on the plate. And that is just plain wrong in my opinion.

Why he would love a mule and kill his own child to secede, that's what jesus would do!  :o

(Referencing another throwaway thread of yours)

Hey. Now most of my instigations lead to long threads exposing wackiness and extremism. Yes. Some slip away without catching fire much to the devil's dismay.

I think Jesus would make Gay Marriage a top priority in his party.  Wait, we were talking about torture?

3 people were ever water boarded, the  most severe torture we used.  All indisputably terrorist leaders.  All with information that was deemed vital and unattainable by other means.  All provided information that purportedly saved American lives.

On principle, I'm against torture.  But in the limited circumstances in which water boarding was used I approve of it's use.  It is a fairly mild form of torture (I was tortured like this every summer by at least 1 or 2 jackasses), has no long term effects, and little chance of "going wrong."   I'm not talking about use against soldiers, criminals, or civilians; I'm talking about people who are irrefutably and admittedly trying to kill mass amounts of civilians (read: terrorist).

I understand that information from torture is suspect.  It should *never* be used to prosecute someone for a crime or otherwise prove their guilt/association with a group.  But if the information we receive from them is corroborated by then finding an IED in the location described, a weapons cache; then it has value.

Sorry, the cost of water boarding a person sworn to use all means necessary to kill me in an effort to save lives is worth it.  If you had a guy you knew, not suspected, but KNEW had planted a bomb that would kill your family - most people would do anything to get that information.   In Iraq, that is often the situation.  It might not be your family, but without the information that person has hundreds of people are likely to be blown up at random.

I give full credence to the slippery slope argument.  I don't trust the government to use torture in only these limited circumstances.  And when an American is tortured I'm pissed (and see the hypocrisy in that).     Just my gut reaction to the overall story.

And per the original post, I don't attend church.

Well there is only 3 that were written about.  But sometimes we just send people to other countries to be tortured (it is actually a pretty nice end around)  http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/world/americas/20canada.html?_r=1&fta=y (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/world/americas/20canada.html?_r=1&fta=y)  There is a difference between trying to obtain information that they absolutely 100% KNOW and just fishing for anything.  I still want to hear the Christian perspective as to why torturing people is ok.

Not passing gay marriage laws isn't discrimination, it's preventing torture in the gay community.

If our government is truly against torture, they will ban marriage outright.  ;D

Plus one for you.  I tried it once; it didn't take.

Not saying other people aren't perfectly happy with it, it just wasn't for me.

I know it is hard to live in captivity.
Do you know what I did before I got married?
Anything I wanted to.

Have we really gotten to this point?


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g [/youtube]

Now back to the original thread title.

WWJD?

I believe he enjoys kicking little devils asses, FOTD.

YOU BETCHA!

Soldiers In Afghanistan Given Bibles, Told To "Hunt People For Jesus" (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/04/soldiers-in-afghanistan-g_n_195674.html

"The Special Forces guys, they hunt men. Basically, we do the same things as Christians. We hunt people for Jesus. We do, we hunt them down. Get the hound of heaven after them, so we get them into the Kingdom. That's what we do, that's our business," he says.

A White House spokesman referred questions to the Department of Defense, which did not immediately return a call."

Holy War....? Not a bad strategy. Scare those Al-Quida terrorists. Could they be converted? WWJD?

Do you know where this story comes from originally FOTD?

Al-Jazeera.

Not that they are just trying to stir up some smile.  Think Fox News reporting on anything Iran does. 

And this is not STATE action.  They are reporting that churches are raising money to give bibles to soldiers in an attempt to skirt United States rules.   Bad, bad America.

Good one CF.  aox, why are you still here?

The problem is that it is against the law in Afghanistan and I think the punishment is death.

Does that seem like a fair punishment?

The devil pays me to counter balance the worst person in Tulsa.....

So you are the Rush Limbaugh of the Left. 

No, but it isn't my country.

Gladly would the demon play the role for the money Boss Limbaugh gets paid and without the crutch of oxy.

I could not fault you for that.

And Devil's Weed is not a crutch?  You aren't very forgiving of people's past drug/alcohol transgressions are you?  At least not any Republicans, that I can tell.

What do you mean conman, aox bashes Obama all the time over his past drug use.

Ahnold too?

Schwarzenegger welcomes debate over legalizing pot
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090506/pl_nm/us_usa_california_marijuana_3

Big diff between OXY and my hero weed......