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Title: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: sauerkraut on April 26, 2009, 01:54:56 pm
Hey Gang,  are these following neighborhoods safe for home buying- We may be moving to "T" Towne and buying a home.. Yale to Memorial & Admiral to 11th area? What about E. Kenosha street & N Elm Place in BA? (Some homes I noticed have bars on the door & windows in that area). What about around 2119 W. 41st place zip code 74107?  What about 21st street & 129th area?  The police web site & map is hard to use and figure out. Thanks for the help.. :)


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: sgrizzle on April 27, 2009, 07:05:51 am
Those are some wide spread areas. Trying to hit a certain home price?


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: TeeDub on April 27, 2009, 07:54:35 am
Broken Arrow's map is much easier.


http://www.crimereports.com/map/index/?search=%20%20+Broken%20Arrow+OK


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: brianh on April 27, 2009, 08:31:22 am
Memorial between admiral and 11th does not appear to be safe.  I had to go there to that walmart at 11pm on Friday because all the other stores were closed.  It was terrible, 2% chance of getting shot by a klansmen or getting shanked by a gang member.  Both of those groups seem to hang out in the areas surrounding that place long into the night. Just don't eyeball anyone on accident or show fear when walking by.  There are any number of parked cars with groups of people inside them sitting in the dark playing their own brand of music very loudly.


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 27, 2009, 08:42:47 am
The Memorial area is sketchy.  I have not spent much time back in the neighborhoods and can not attest to any crime problems.  But my impression of the area is that it's sketchy, fwiw.  I'm not very familiar with those other areas.

Consider doing color overlays on a google map to help people figure out the areas you are describing.


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: Gold on April 27, 2009, 09:13:36 am
The Wal Mart on Memorial, near 2-44, is ultra-sketchy.  I'd drive around the area at different times of day if I were you. 


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: Hoss on April 27, 2009, 10:08:19 am
Memorial between admiral and 11th does not appear to safe.  I had to go there to that walmart at 11pm on Friday because all the other stores were closed.  It was terrible, 2% chance of getting shot by a klansmen or getting shanked by a gang member.  Both of those groups seem to hang out in the areas surrounding that place long into the night. Just don't eyeball anyone on accident or show fear when walking by.  There are any number of parked cars with groups of people inside them sitting in the dark playing their own brand of music very loudly.

Any Walmart is going to be like that, doesn't matter where you go.  I live in that square mile from Adm to 11th, Memorial to Mingo and have not had one single problem.  The neighborhood there is mostly older people who own their homes.  It's quiet and I've never felt threatened since I moved there 4 years ago.  I think your assessment is based on a WalMart.  How about the Walmart at 71st and Memorial?  I went there one time; swore I'd never go back.  It made the Adm/Memorial Walmart look like an elementary school.


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: sauerkraut on April 27, 2009, 10:35:24 am
Thanks for the info gang, The places we are looking at are 7115 block of e 5th 74112 --- 3412 w 4th 74127--- 2747 s 116th east ave 74129---- 501 s. 4th street B.A. 74012, and 2119 w. 41st place 74107. I'll try that BA crime map link posted above. We're looking for a home around $50,000 to live in & fix up and sell in a few years. From google street the homes and neighborhood look neat and clean. The one on the 2119 block of  w 41st street intrests me since it's close to the freeway and can use a good re-hab yet the "bones" seem strong no major frame work hopefully. Thankz. :)


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: Gold on April 27, 2009, 10:43:47 am
Any Walmart is going to be like that, doesn't matter where you go.  I live in that square mile from Adm to 11th, Memorial to Mingo and have not had one single problem.  The neighborhood there is mostly older people who own their homes.  It's quiet and I've never felt threatened since I moved there 4 years ago.  I think your assessment is based on a WalMart.  How about the Walmart at 71st and Memorial?  I went there one time; swore I'd never go back.  It made the Adm/Memorial Walmart look like an elementary school.

It's really the worst Wal Mart I've ever seen.  Point taken, they all bring in different types.  But that one is pretty weird.  There are some other things I've seen in that area that generally don't help the value of real estate.


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: carltonplace on April 27, 2009, 10:45:00 am
I wouldn't try a "flip" in any of those areas.


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: Conan71 on April 27, 2009, 10:46:30 am
Thanks for the info gang, The places we are looking at are 7115 block of e 5th 74112 --- 3412 w 4th 74127--- 2747 s 116th east ave 74129---- 501 s. 4th street B.A. 74012, and 2119 w. 41st place 74107. I'll try that BA crime map link posted above. We're looking for a home around $50,000 to live in & fix up and sell in a few years. From google street the homes and neighborhood look neat and clean. The one on the 2119 block of  w 41st street intrests me since it's close to the freeway and can use a good re-hab yet the "bones" seem strong no major frame work hopefully. Thankz. :)

Rwarn and Tulsamini both live in the west 41st area, I work further to the east on that street.  It's mostly hard-working people on the west side with the occasional meth lab or nut-job who kills his wife.  Random burglary is probably as likely in that area as anywhere else, no better, no worse.  

If you are buying a $50K home in a neighborhood where most homes are in the $100K to $120K range, chances are there's less crime than a $50K house in an area where most houses are in the $40 to $60K range.

Good luck with it.


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: Conan71 on April 27, 2009, 10:47:29 am
It's really the worst Wal Mart I've ever seen.  Point taken, they all bring in different types.  But that one is pretty weird.  There are some other things I've seen in that area that generally don't help the value of real estate.

I think "Night Of The Living Tweaker" was filmed at the Admiral and Memorial Wal-Mart.  You definitely get the hairy eyeball if you try to buy Sudafed at 2am there.


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: sauerkraut on April 27, 2009, 10:52:31 am
Broken Arrow's map is much easier.


http://www.crimereports.com/map/index/?search=%20%20+Broken%20Arrow+OK

I can't get this map to work either. It keeps defaulting to Washington, DC


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: rwarn17588 on April 27, 2009, 11:09:58 am

If you are buying a $50K home in a neighborhood where most homes are in the $100K to $120K range, chances are there's less crime than a $50K house in an area where most houses are in the $40 to $60K range.


Bingo.

I walk by that West 41st Place area pretty regularly. Really quiet. It's less than a half-block from Clinton Middle School, and it's real close to Reed Park, which has swell jogging/walking trails and an ultracheap gym with some new equipment. Can't beat 30 sessions at the gym for $20.

Update: Crap. I zapped the wrong paragraph. Oh well.


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: sauerkraut on April 27, 2009, 11:16:17 am
Bingo.

I walk by that West 41st Place area pretty regularly. Really quiet. It's less than a half-block from Clinton Middle School, and it's real close to Reed Park, which has swell jogging/walking trails and an ultracheap gym with some new equipment. Can't beat 30 sessions at the gym for $20.
WoW thanks that is what I'm looking for a nice quiet neighborhood and I'm a runner the jogging trails are a bonus! I found a crime website but it's hard to work.. "spotcrime.com/ok/tulsa"


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: custosnox on April 27, 2009, 12:16:46 pm
let's see if I can throw my personal takes on these area's.  The area around 5th and 7100 block is a quiet neighborhood.  Never see much problems out of there, however the surrounding area's (particularly north of admiral) are pretty dicey.  These are where the elements come from that cause problems at the wal-mart (once found a woman laying on the floor in the candy isle talking to someone that wasn't there at about 3am).  The W. 41st I can't really say much about, though there doesn't seem to be a crime problem (I just don't like the air quality there). 2747 S 116th is down the street from me.  For a while things were pretty bad, but haven't had a single stereo stolen in about two or three years.  Before that it would be two or three a year.  I think I just scared em off when I chased em down the street in nothing but shorts at 2am.  BA is generally a pretty low crime area, but there are some places there that are the exception.  Unfortunatly I don't know enough to give an informed answer there.


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: nathanm on April 27, 2009, 01:15:54 pm
Memorial between admiral and 11th does not appear to be safe.  I had to go there to that walmart at 11pm on Friday because all the other stores were closed.  It was terrible, 2% chance of getting shot by a klansmen or getting shanked by a gang member.  Both of those groups seem to hang out in the areas surrounding that place long into the night. Just don't eyeball anyone on accident or show fear when walking by.  There are any number of parked cars with groups of people inside them sitting in the dark playing their own brand of music very loudly.
What on earth are you going on about? Are you scared of poor people or something? I've been there at normal hours and odd hours (I hate going to wal-mart, no matter where it's located, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do) and I've never felt unsafe.


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: Hoss on April 27, 2009, 02:24:56 pm
What on earth are you going on about? Are you scared of poor people or something? I've been there at normal hours and odd hours (I hate going to wal-mart, no matter where it's located, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do) and I've never felt unsafe.

Yep, same here since I live right down the street from it.  Never ever been afraid of that place.  I've been there from 9am to 4am and have never felt or been threatened.  Had someone preach to me about having Jesus Christ save me, but hey, we do live in Oklahoma, right?

On the other hand, I tried that WalMart I mentioned earlier (68th/Memorial) on a Friday night about 11 pm.  I felt like I was walking an indoor version of the French Quarter the night after Mardi Gras.  I expected to see someone passed out in the pharmacy with a syringe stuck in their arm that was wrapped by a tourniquet.  I couldn't believe how dirty that place was for only being open a few months.

By the same token, my favorite WalMart in the area (in regards to cleanliness) is the one in Sand Springs.  Easy to park at and easy to shop in.


Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: Hawkins on April 28, 2009, 02:30:36 am
Any Walmart is going to be like that, doesn't matter where you go.  I live in that square mile from Adm to 11th, Memorial to Mingo and have not had one single problem.  The neighborhood there is mostly older people who own their homes.  It's quiet and I've never felt threatened since I moved there 4 years ago.  I think your assessment is based on a WalMart.  How about the Walmart at 71st and Memorial?  I went there one time; swore I'd never go back.  It made the Adm/Memorial Walmart look like an elementary school.

That is an accurate assessment of the area.

However, my Grandpa did have an attempted overnight burglary happen at his home there a couple years ago. Someone tried to pick his garage door open with a screwdriver. Created some damage to the door frame, but the lock held.

Mostly elderly neighbors that keep an eye on one another, and lots of barking dogs, which make great alarm systems!

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Title: Re: Neighborhood Crime Question
Post by: TeeDub on April 28, 2009, 08:07:41 am

I used to live at 7th and Yale...  It was nice at the time.   In four years, we only got broken into once.


Of course, that was before they decided to relocate the downtown homeless shelter to Admiral and Yale. 

(Hey!  I know, let's move the homeless away from their support structure and away from our new arenas.)