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Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: guido911 on February 25, 2009, 09:52:18 am To protest Spendulus and the Mortgage Bailout is apparently this Friday at Veterans' Park for anyone interested:
http://greencountryvalues.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/tea-party-this-friday-tulsa-and-nationwide/ Hope it goes better than that doofy NYU protest. Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: waterboy on February 25, 2009, 10:16:28 am Isn't that cute? The kids are going to put on a play at the park. Costuming by Brooks Bros.?
Seriously, what do they hope to accomplish? I don't see any serious effort here to refuse the money. Why? Because we need help. Until another process emerges that comes up with a better solution than just "waiting for it all to go away", I'll pass on this rally. Anyone notice that Obama shook alot of hands but when seeing Coburn...they embraced? Classic and meaningful. Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: Hoss on February 25, 2009, 10:55:27 am quote: I noticed that; that surprised me a little, actually. Not that Obama did that, but that Coburn did. But I agree regarding the protest. 'Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing'. Oh, wait, Guido won't care, he has me on ignore. [:D] Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: Hometown on February 25, 2009, 11:25:20 am You know when I was growing up here I always had a sense that Oklahoma was deeply flawed but from time to time I'd think, well maybe it's me.
One the great things about returning here as an adult and getting to reevaluate my hometown is that I am now certain of one thing. It was Oklahoma that was wrong, not me. And Oklahoma, bless her heart, is, if nothing else, consistent. Hello, Earth to Oklahoma. You are at Third-World country level. You need all the help you can get. Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: we vs us on February 25, 2009, 03:27:08 pm Will there be actual tea? Stuff like that kinda fizzles if there's nothing to chuck into the harbor.
Reams of subprime mortgages . . .? I got nothin'. Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: ILUVTulsa on February 26, 2009, 09:31:10 am They claim support of the Tulsa GOP.
Maybe they should also demand the City Council refuse Tulsa's share of the pork. What about it, all you REPUBLICANS on the Council? From www.StimulusWatch.org The total cost of all the projects submitted by Tulsa is $944,612,008: Amtrak Feasibility Study: $250,000 Roadway Improvements-Improve 74 roadway segments thru pavement rehabilitation and lane widening to reduce congestion, and improve public safety: $200,731,000 Gilcrease West Arkansas River Bridge - Charles Page Blvd to West 21st Street: $80,000,000 Gilcrease West - Phase 1 - 41st West Avenue to Tisdale: $61,000,000 Port Road Extension - Yale Avenue to Sheridan Road: $25,200,000 Boulder Avenue Bridge- Design & Construction: $9,000,000 Arkansas River Corridor - improve or construct three low water dams and associated sedimentation control: $75,000,000 Deepening McClellan Kerr Navigation Channel to 12ft. from 9ft. and add additional barge parking and fleet areas to allow for safe and efficient freight and barge traffic movement: $49,200,000 Water System Infrastructure-Construct 18 water distribution, supply, and treatment projects throughout the City of Tulsa to improve the delivery of safe drinking water: $20,673,000 Wasterwater System Improvements-Construct 4 wastewater collection system projects to eliminate health and safety concerns associated with sewage overflows: $8,900,000 Flood Control Infrastructure Improvements-Construct 8 stormsewer, channel, culvert, and bridge projects to improve public safety and reduce property damage associated with localized flood events: $3,768,000 Airport Terminal Building Roadway Reconstruction - The project will repair and upgrade the Terminal Building Roadway at the Tulsa International Airport. Portions of the roadway system that provides access to the Terminal Building are in need of replacement: $2,250,000 Extend Taxilane November-Alpha -Project constructs approximately 940 feet of taxilane into the North Development Area. It includes earthwork, concrete paving and minor drainage improvements. This project is currently advertising for bids: $1,750,000 Rehabilitate Airfield Pavements - Jones Riverside - Project will rehabilitate a variety of taxiways and taxilanes throughout the airport including Taxiway Zulu that serves Runway 1R/19L: $1,700,000 Indigent care regional medical center facility expansion and renovation (providing enhanced services to underserved and at risk populations): $30,000,000 Regional Medical Informatics Network, Data Warehouse and Electronic Health Records: $25,000,000 Electronic Health Record Development: $15,000,000 North Tulsa Specialty Clinic: $10,000,000 Phase II Cancer Center Satellite and Imaging Center: $10,000,000 Martin Regional Library Expansion: $8,900,000 Federally Qualified Primary Care Clinic: $5,000,000 North Tulsa Regional Wellness Center: $5,000,000 Compressed natural Gas (CNG) Fleet Fueling Infrastructure Expansion-Expand the City`s CNG infrastructure to fuel the growing CNG fleet and provide for the conversion of 20 light duty vehicles: $2,080,000 Energy Efficient Public Housing Infrastructure Improvements: $1,680,000 Energy Efficient Facilities Improvements: $1,600,000 Digital Infrastructure Conduit Expansion: $70,000,000 Regional Training Center - A regional fire training center to provide fire and homeland security training for Tulsa and surrounding communities: $55,000,000 Police Public Safety Facility Improvements: $5,240,000 Railroad Crossings - At Grade Safety Improvements - Union Pacific rail line from 1st Street to Peoria Ave: $5,000,000 Early Childhood Education Centers - construct ten education centers to serve at risk population: $100,000,000 Tulsa Regional Urban Rail Infrastructure: $41,500,000 Transit System Improvements - ADA compliant passenger shelters, hybrid lift vans, and hybrid transit coaches for underserved areas and population: $13,250,000 Sidewalk Infrastructure Improvements-Construct 5 sidewalk projects that improve pedestrian access to transit connections: $940,000. Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: MDepr2007 on February 26, 2009, 09:28:05 pm The song "True Colors" keeps popping in my mind lately..
Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: cannon_fodder on February 27, 2009, 08:08:12 am lol, I love CAFTA haters. Most are totally clueless about what they are talking about. You have what I want, I have what you want... allowing us to trade for it is anti-fair trade.
What I think would be more fair is if we had 3 steps in between, a couple government taxes, and long delays. Now THATS fair trade. lol. Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: guido911 on February 27, 2009, 02:57:12 pm Looks like Tulsa had a decent turnout at its tea party:
http://krmg.com/localnews/2009/02/hundreds-protest-stimulus-at-t.html Anyone on this forum make it? Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: MDepr2007 on February 27, 2009, 06:18:50 pm KRMG video link (http://"http://krmg.com/blogs/the_krmg_morning_news_blog/2009/02/first-video-tulsa-tea-party.html")
KRMG would have avoided this not long ago. Not that they are political but it's nice to see the change. Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: Hawkins on February 28, 2009, 03:10:20 am I think that is really stupid that this was called a tea party.
Samuel Adams would laugh in their faces. What was destroyed? What was the economic impact? Oh wait, in today's society, a real tea party would be called "Terrorism." Man, what a nation of wimps... Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: MDepr2007 on February 28, 2009, 04:53:04 am Did I miss it or did the main (only) paper in Tulsa not even cover the tea party?
Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: guido911 on February 28, 2009, 11:36:45 am quote: Hawkins-Proving once again what an idiot with a computer can do. Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: Hoss on February 28, 2009, 04:54:01 pm quote: Ah yes, there's the Gweed I remember with the ad-hominem at the ready! Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: Hawkins on February 28, 2009, 07:10:34 pm quote: Whatever. I stand by the statement. This was NOT a tea party. And the term "terrorism" has put a control on society that takes us further from ever taking a solid stance against anything the 'gubment does. -- Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: USRufnex on March 01, 2009, 09:30:52 am quote:The Boston Tea Party was in protest of taxation without representation. Hawkins is right..... this crap should be called the Tulsa Whine & Cheese Party......... back to you, Guido you ignorant slut... Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: Chicken Little on March 01, 2009, 12:08:35 pm From playboy (http://"http://www.playboy.com/blog/2009/02/backstabber.html"):
"Tea Party" not grassroots, but astroturf: quote: Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: rwarn17588 on March 01, 2009, 01:06:11 pm If you're going to have a Teabag Party, get a room! Sheesh.
Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: guido911 on March 01, 2009, 01:34:35 pm Typical. The regular Obama spooners come out to discredit a protest because it was not violent enough. What do you want? Do you want them blowing up buildings like some fringe anti-abortion folks do? If that's the case, then where can I find your posts supporting Eric Robert Rudolf?
As I understand it, the "tea party" was supposed to be a symbolic gesture opposing a perceived oppressive government. I guess symbolism only works if your a democrat, kinda like Dooshnozzle John Conyer's mock impeachment hearings over the Iraq war or Cindy Sheehan camping out at Bush's home. Direct me to your posts accusing those folks of being wimps. Here's news coverage of the event that I believe fairly examines what is going on. http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=9920879 Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: Hawkins on March 01, 2009, 03:05:24 pm I'm not supporting Obama on this one.
I'm just saying, this did not involve the destruction of goods or services, and was a pale, pale comparison to the original Tea Party. It shows just how docile society has become over the years. Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: MDepr2007 on March 01, 2009, 03:44:31 pm quote: Kinda like some expecting change and all there is is change back Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: MDepr2007 on March 01, 2009, 03:47:28 pm quote: Pretty forward thinking to have purchased the domain as far back as last August http://whois.domaintools.com/chicagoteaparty.com We need more forward thinkers like that [;)] Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: guido911 on March 01, 2009, 04:01:28 pm quote: Following that logic, I guess a fair comparison to a tea party would be blowing up the Murrah building and abortion clinics. Who would have imagined that Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Eric Rudolph, and William Ayers were not cowardly terrorists but rather modern day Samuel Adamses. Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: guido911 on March 01, 2009, 04:21:13 pm quote: The author of that article probably needs to visit this website: http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: Hawkins on March 02, 2009, 08:35:34 pm I've got a target idea for a real "Tea Party."
A complete boycott of AIG. If the government wants to keep using our tax dollars to fund a company just because its "too big to fail," they can go to hell. Companies sometimes fail. I don't care how big they are, IF this is truly a capitalist system, all companies must play by the same rules. Let AIG go down in flames. Smaller insurance companies will pick up the pieces, and capitalism (and the American taxpayer) will, in the end, have won the day. -- Title: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: Townsend on March 03, 2009, 09:03:27 am quote: With as many tentacles that company has you'll find it difficult to do. Title: Re: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: sauerkraut on March 05, 2009, 11:30:49 am There are "Tea parties" planned all over. Cincinatti has one planned for the river front.
Title: Re: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: nathanm on March 05, 2009, 11:46:36 am Let AIG go down in flames. Smaller insurance companies will pick up the pieces, and capitalism (and the American taxpayer) will, in the end, have won the day. I suppose if you want most banks in America to become technically insolvent, that would be a great plan.Despite what you may have heard, there are few banks that are insolvent on the basis of performance on loans, cash flow, and long term viability as a going concern, but there are a lot that are struggling with capital ratios at the moment. If AIG were to fail, it would make the problem nearly insurmountable. I would love to see an unwinding of AIG, JP Morgan, Citi, and Bank of America, among others, but just letting them fail would be catastrophic at the moment. What we need to do is get on the other side of the current troubles and then force some divestitures. Title: Re: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: Hawkins on March 05, 2009, 12:47:48 pm I suppose if you want most banks in America to become technically insolvent, that would be a great plan. Despite what you may have heard, there are few banks that are insolvent on the basis of performance on loans, cash flow, and long term viability as a going concern, but there are a lot that are struggling with capital ratios at the moment. If AIG were to fail, it would make the problem nearly insurmountable. I would love to see an unwinding of AIG, JP Morgan, Citi, and Bank of America, among others, but just letting them fail would be catastrophic at the moment. What we need to do is get on the other side of the current troubles and then force some divestitures. Why is it that other, smaller banks couldn't come in and pick up the pieces? Banks that used sounder lending practices to begin with. These banks would become the next giants, and deservingly so. Is this not how capitalism is supposed to work? This would cause short-term pain for many, but in the end, we would have rebuilt our house on a solid footing. Right now we are just patching up the old home around the edges, but the foundation is still cracking. Title: Re: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: swake on March 05, 2009, 01:00:04 pm President Hoover took a hand off policy to saving banks and companies. Are we really advocating his approach again?
Title: Re: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: nathanm on March 05, 2009, 01:37:49 pm Why is it that other, smaller banks couldn't come in and pick up the pieces? Where do you propose the smaller banks come up with the capital to do so?I saw a claim the other day that Citi, JP Morgan, and Bank of America hold over 60% of all US banking assets. Besides, the worst thing to happen would be to let them fail and then make the mistake of spawning more megabanks. We need more small and mid-sized institutions, not enormous ones. Sadly, Treasury, FDIC, the Federal Reserve, and OCC seem to disagree, what with pawning off huge institutions on even larger ones. The Bush Administration handled things incredibly poorly (although to the advantage of certain cronies), and the Obama Administration has done little better, although at least so far without any obvious crony "capitalism." Title: Re: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: Cats Cats Cats on March 05, 2009, 01:39:03 pm Why is it that other, smaller banks couldn't come in and pick up the pieces? Banks that used sounder lending practices to begin with. These banks would become the next giants, and deservingly so. Is this not how capitalism is supposed to work? This would cause short-term pain for many, but in the end, we would have rebuilt our house on a solid footing. Right now we are just patching up the old home around the edges, but the foundation is still cracking. I don't think the smaller banks would be ready to take on all the extra clients and it would take time to gear up. Its a really crappy situation. Companies have credit lines with these companies. The bank goes under, that line is gone, business struggles with financing. Or you throw money at a bank that is in a hole, fill the hole a little, try to get things moving in the right direction, throw some more money in. But, what you are suggesting is the way capitalism is supposed to work. I think if all the larger banks failed you would have a lot of businesses failing as well. Maybe not.. Title: Re: Tulsa's Tea Party... Post by: nathanm on March 05, 2009, 01:48:16 pm I think if all the larger banks failed you would have a lot of businesses failing as well. Maybe not.. It's not a maybe. It's already happening as banks are getting tighter on credit even with companies that are low risk. |