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Title: Brookside
Post by: mrB on October 27, 2008, 01:50:37 pm


Billy Sims is moving into the neighborhood at 38th & Peoria. East side, north end of the Brookside Market. Opposite end of strip from Webers'. Gonna have drive thru Q!

Billy & Elmer, is the Restless Ribbon ready for a Q show down?



And center 1 has new tenant going in to new unfinished space on the corner of 34th & Peoria, "Pohlenz Cucine Moderne".

Looks like center 1 is just getting longer and whiter! Maybe the brick could have been left alone and given the businesses an individualized character about them. center 1 could be center 13.
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For the record
By World Staff Reports
10/26/2008

Commercial Building Permits

(Listed by owner, tenant or building name. Weekly update lists new commercial construction, expansions and enlargements of more than $50,000. Information is from initial applications and is subject to change. Dollar amount is valuation declared by owner.)

Pohlenz Cucine Moderne LLC, 3402 S. Peoria Ave., interior alteration- interior finish, $70,000.

Scott Pohlenz’s Summary
In December 2008, I am opening my Tulsa, Oklahoma showroom and design studio "Pohlenz Cucine Moderne". We are an exclusive dealer for "Valcucine" in Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas and Arkansas. Valcucine is an Italian kitchen cabinet manufacturer who is commited to sustainable design and dematerialization.

Through our design studio, we offer design resource services to Architects, Interior Designers, Contractors, and End Users.

Scott Pohlenz’s Specialties:
Licensed Architect
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/scott/pohlenz
http://www.center1tulsa.com/



Title: Brookside
Post by: jmikeh on October 27, 2008, 02:06:03 pm
That will be interesting.

It's not bar-b-que.  It's boomer-que!


Title: Brookside
Post by: Ibanez on October 27, 2008, 02:10:12 pm
I've eaten at the Billy Simms location in The Farm twice.

The food was average at best.

I will not be going back.


Title: Brookside
Post by: joiei on October 27, 2008, 04:38:43 pm
quote:
Originally posted by wavoka

I've eaten at the Billy Simms location in The Farm twice.

The food was average at best.

I will not be going back.

I had the same experience.  It just isn't good bbq.  At least as I like bbq.  Others may love and God bless ya, you can have my share of the Billy Sims version.


Title: Brookside
Post by: sgrizzle on October 27, 2008, 05:24:33 pm
I've had it. I really dont know what Billy Sim is famous for, but obviously it;s not culinary talent.

It's not bad but not amazing either.


Title: Brookside
Post by: jmikeh on October 28, 2008, 08:49:15 am
I am hoping JR's Place comes to to T-Town eventually.  I have heard amazing things about his BBQ restaurants in the OKC area.



Title: Brookside
Post by: Floyd on October 28, 2008, 09:16:32 am
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

I've had it. I really dont know what Billy Sim is famous for, but obviously it's not culinary talent.



So you're not a Sooner . . .

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/2745465740_e35213cacc.jpg)

Billy Sims is one of OU's four Heisman winners and one of the great rushers in college football history.  And one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet.  Most Saturday gamedays in Norman he drives down Lindsay with the windows down and gives the Boomer Sooner to the tailgaters.  

On Topic:
His BBQ is no Elmer's but it is serviceable.  It will a nice addition to Brookside.


Title: Brookside
Post by: Steve on October 28, 2008, 10:06:48 am
Yea, being a great football player doesn't mean your restaurant is going to have great food!

I only crave BBQ about once a year; I really have to be in the mood for it.  When I am, 99.9% of the time I end up at the old Knotty Pine on Charles Page in west Tulsa.  The ambience may be lacking, but for my money and personal taste, it is the best in town.



Title: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on October 28, 2008, 02:23:49 pm
Wasn't there once a yogurt shop there?  I don't particularly like that strip mall there but it at least it's well-kept and full.  I'd rather see something like the building next to it to the north of 38th where the salon and Fuji reside that fronts the street.  Really want to see that Blockbuster go at 36th for the same reason.


Title: Brookside
Post by: YoungTulsan on October 28, 2008, 02:29:40 pm
Video rental stores are a dying breed.  Blockbusters have been thinning out rapidly, however that one is probably doing well due to all of its competition going out of business.  Maybe it'll be gone in a few more years.

The old Hollywood video is sitting empty still, on the subject of brookside.  So is the Delta Cafe.  There were rumors of something opening there, but it has been a long time now.

I think Brookside could use a nice gym.

But then again, whenever the subject of Brookside business comes up, I always stress the need to add more PEOPLE to brookside first, or else shops/restaurants will keep opening/closing without true critical mass, only a "trendy" appeal.


Title: Brookside
Post by: charky on October 28, 2008, 04:07:17 pm
Yeah...Billy Sims BBQ is pretty average. I've tried it a couple of times...and probably won't go back.

Did have a great experience though at the location in the Farm not long after it opened. Took my wife and mother-in-law...and Billy was there wiping down the tables. He introduced himself...asked all of our names and had a nice 5-10 minute conversation. One hell of a nice guy.


Title: Brookside
Post by: OurTulsa on October 29, 2008, 12:46:48 pm
quote:
Originally posted by YoungTulsan

Video rental stores are a dying breed.  Blockbusters have been thinning out rapidly, however that one is probably doing well due to all of its competition going out of business.  Maybe it'll be gone in a few more years.

The old Hollywood video is sitting empty still, on the subject of brookside.  So is the Delta Cafe.  There were rumors of something opening there, but it has been a long time now.

I think Brookside could use a nice gym.

But then again, whenever the subject of Brookside business comes up, I always stress the need to add more PEOPLE to brookside first, or else shops/restaurants will keep opening/closing without true critical mass, only a "trendy" appeal.




Don't say that too loudly, there are some in the Brookside neighborhood that will want to wring you out.  They like Brookside as a neighborhood commercial district as opposed to a regional commercial district.

I've heard rumors that a fitness center is pursuing the old Hollywood Video space.  Like most rumors, we'll see.  What's wrong with Fitso besides the fact that it has little to no street presence in the district.  That aside, it's a nice Gym.


Title: Brookside
Post by: YoungTulsan on October 29, 2008, 02:42:01 pm
No I agree that Brookside is best as a haven for LOCAL business.  But local businesses can get into the urban dense scene, if the critical mass is there.  Sitting idly by while outside groups like Bomasada come in and build the density is not the answer.  Local builders, pounce on it.

When, as I've described it, desirability is high but quality of dwellings is low to such an extreme that single 20-somethings are paying $800-1000/month to rent 1950s construction rotten huts with little modern amenities, the market forces are there.  At the same time, renters without families are killing the population density because thats all there is available right now.  One renter occupying an entire house does not equal density.  New, modern, upper-mid-range priced (Not necessarily super rich) apartment/condo dwellings are needed by the bushel in Brookside.  Bomasada is meeting the need, but they will be sending $$ out of Tulsa.



Title: Brookside
Post by: Nik on October 30, 2008, 07:03:59 am
quote:

I think Brookside could use a nice gym.



What's wrong with Fitso? There is also the Yoga Room.


Title: Brookside
Post by: bugo on November 04, 2008, 12:09:28 am
quote:
Originally posted by mrB



Billy Sims is moving into the neighborhood at 38th & Peoria. East side, north end of the Brookside Market. Opposite end of strip from Webers'. Gonna have drive thru Q!

Billy & Elmer, is the Restless Ribbon ready for a Q show down?



I can't think of any reason to go to Billy Sims when Elmer's is just down the road.


Title: Brookside
Post by: joiei on November 04, 2008, 07:07:42 am
Unless Billy Sims has improved there product it will not be a showdown.  It be Bad has it all over the football player.


Title: Brookside
Post by: stageidea on November 04, 2008, 12:16:49 pm
So is Billy Sims going to be the new Rib Crib? Just average food with a massive amount of locations?  

I am not personal fan of their BBQ and so I don't see the need or a reason of why they are expanding so quickly.  

I personally enjoy Stutts House of Barbeque#8206; (stuttshouseofbarbeque.com).


Title: Brookside
Post by: bugo on November 07, 2008, 08:29:29 pm
quote:
Originally posted by stageidea

So is Billy Sims going to be the new Rib Crib? Just average food with a massive amount of locations?  

I am not personal fan of their BBQ and so I don't see the need or a reason of why they are expanding so quickly.  
quote:


OU fans who care more about supporting one of their heroes than the quality of the Q.  The meat at Sims is OK, but the sauce wasn't very good IMO.  I don't like sauces that are overly sweet.  I'm going to be working next to a Billy Sims very soon, so I plan on ordering their sandwiches plain and dry and pouring some Gates (www.gatesbbq.com) sauce on it.




I personally enjoy Stutts House of Barbeque#8206; (stuttshouseofbarbeque.com).



What's the Q like?  What kind of sauce do they use?  How sweet/spicy is it, and is it tomato based or molasses based?  The prices are definitely reasonable.  I'm interested in trying it next time I'm in that area.

Are the "rib tips" anything like Kansas City-style burnt ends?


Title: Brookside
Post by: joiei on November 07, 2008, 09:13:21 pm
I just had BBQ that beat the heck out of Sims.  It is Buffalo BBQ up in Sperry, it is the trailer in the Daylight Doughnut parking lot.  Excellent stuff.  The half order was shared 3 ways.  Worth the drive, yes.  I had ribs, sliced and hotlinks.  Good beans and homemade slaw.  It isn't a restaurant although there is a picnic table there.  It is only open Mon-Fri for lunch and dinner.  On weekends, the owner is usually off competing at a bbq cookoff somewhere.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 02, 2011, 08:42:27 am
Video rental stores are a dying breed.  Blockbusters have been thinning out rapidly, however that one is probably doing well due to all of its competition going out of business.  Maybe it'll be gone in a few more years.

Good call.  I noticed yesterday that the Blockbuster at 36th & Peoria is going out of business and everything in the store is now on sale.  That is a prime corner in Brookside, I wonder what will take its place?  I'm sure Aberson (developer of the Consortium and Center 1) is interested, and whatever they do I hope they raze the Blockbuster and build up to the sidewalk.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Townsend on March 02, 2011, 09:08:31 am
Good call.  I noticed yesterday that the Blockbuster at 36th & Peoria is going out of business and everything in the store is now on sale.  That is a prime corner in Brookside, I wonder what will take its place?  I'm sure Aberson (developer of the Consortium and Center 1) is interested, and whatever they do I hope they raze the Blockbuster and build up to the sidewalk.

CVS?  Shut my mouth.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: swake on March 02, 2011, 09:34:48 am
CVS?  Shut my mouth.

A small hotel?


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Townsend on March 02, 2011, 09:55:18 am
A small hotel?

Well that'd be much better.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: OurTulsa on March 02, 2011, 12:41:29 pm
Oh Crap - that's a prime corner for a CVS and they will kick that bastad back quick - oh, the horror! 

On the flip side, what an opportunity site!  Development there has the ability extend the urban context of Brookside to the south.  If done well an 'end cap so to speak' could really help emphasize the 'there or place' element of Brookside - really reinforce Brookside as both a neighborhood commercial node and a small regional destination.  Unfortunately, our City hasn't had the capacity or the initiative to be proactive with development outcomes - maybe that could change with an on-coming planning director but that may be too late.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: YoungTulsan on March 02, 2011, 01:34:52 pm
I don't think the lot is big enough for a CVS, thank god.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Townsend on March 02, 2011, 01:46:17 pm
I don't think the lot is big enough for a CVS, thank god.

Those houses to the East look pretty vulnerable.  I'm hoping for better though.  I'm sure the condo owners behind Starbucks are too.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 02, 2011, 01:56:34 pm
On the flip side, what an opportunity site!  Development there has the ability extend the urban context of Brookside to the south.  If done well an 'end cap so to speak' could really help emphasize the 'there or place' element of Brookside - really reinforce Brookside as both a neighborhood commercial node and a small regional destination.  Unfortunately, our City hasn't had the capacity or the initiative to be proactive with development outcomes - maybe that could change with an on-coming planning director but that may be too late.

Agree.  Though I think Brookside has enough pull to not allow CVS, or to at least make them build to the sidewalk.  I'm hoping Aberson redevelops that site.  I know some dislike Center 1 aka "the white district" but I love how they front the sidewalk with big windows and how they are full of local businesses.  Aberson has said he wants to reinforce Brookside as a locally-owned business district.  Retail and/or a new restaurant with patio seating would be a big improvement at that corner.  I'd also like to see the parallel street parking extended south past 35th Pl and the left turn lanes eliminated on Peoria which would make that area more pedestrian-friendly than it is now.

The yellow is the Blockbuster, which would be demolished, and the red is the new building fronting the sidewalk with glass along Peoria and 36th.  The blue is an infill building on the small parking lot south of Starbucks that would be perfect for a restaurant with outdoor seating as it sits back further from the street like the adjacent Pei Wei/Starbucks.  The streetscape with the trees next to the parallel parking areas would also be extended to 36th.  All parking would be behind the buildings with access off 35th Pl and 36th St.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/bg918/brookside1.jpg)


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Floyd on March 29, 2011, 04:15:41 pm
Jerry Reeves has the Blockbuster site under contract pending rejection of the lease in bankruptcy proceedings.  Sounds like the site will be renovated for multiple retail tenants.

Link: http://tulsabusiness.com/main.asp?SectionID=24&SubSectionID=90&ArticleID=52485


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Quinton on March 29, 2011, 07:49:59 pm
So is Billy Sims going to be the new Rib Crib? Just average food with a massive amount of locations?  

I am not personal fan of their BBQ and so I don't see the need or a reason of why they are expanding so quickly.  

I personally enjoy Stutts House of Barbeque#8206; (stuttshouseofbarbeque.com).

Stutts has been great for years.Went there a week ago.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: guido911 on March 29, 2011, 08:51:53 pm
Stutts has been great for years.Went there a week ago.
Their menu looks fairly simple. And simple is terrific.

http://www.stuttshouseofbarbeque.com/menu.htm

As a victim of his crap, do ya think this post will pass our self-appointed policeman's content test?


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Hoss on March 29, 2011, 11:02:41 pm
Their menu looks fairly simple. And simple is terrific.

http://www.stuttshouseofbarbeque.com/menu.htm

As a victim of his crap, do ya think this post will pass our self-appointed policeman's content test?

Case in point...


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: RecycleMichael on March 30, 2011, 06:42:16 am
What is guido complaining about? Has he turned in shadows?


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Red Arrow on March 30, 2011, 07:03:59 am
What is guido complaining about? Has he turned in shadows?

Is being incomprehensible against TNF rules?


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Hoss on March 30, 2011, 07:09:27 am
Is being incomprehensible against TNF rules?

Are you agreeing with that assessment?


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Red Arrow on March 30, 2011, 07:11:24 am
Are you agreeing with that assessment?

That he is frequently incomprehensible, yes.

That it should be against TNF rules and cause for expulsion, NO!


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Hoss on March 30, 2011, 07:26:51 am
That he is frequently incomprehensible, yes.

That it should be against TNF rules and cause for expulsion, NO!

Which one?  Shadows?  Gweed?  Both?

And I agree, it shouldn't be grounds for expulsion unless rules are broken again and again (personal attacks maybe?  I know Shadows doesn't call forum members that don't align with his ideology 'dooshes').


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: carltonplace on March 30, 2011, 07:33:57 am
Still trying to decipher his posts, not sure if that is possible to align with his ideology


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: custosnox on March 30, 2011, 07:37:58 am
Which one?  Shadows?  Gweed?  Both?

And I agree, it shouldn't be grounds for expulsion unless rules are broken again and again (personal attacks maybe?  I know Shadows doesn't call forum members that don't align with his ideology 'dooshes').
Of course there is the benifit of if you don't lower yourself to his 3rd grade level of name calling, and keep making points that he does not wish to acknowledge, he will start ignoring you all together. 


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Hoss on March 30, 2011, 07:47:10 am
Of course there is the benifit of if you don't lower yourself to his 3rd grade level of name calling, and keep making points that he does not wish to acknowledge, he will start ignoring you all together. 

He already ignores me...well, sort of.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 30, 2011, 08:09:18 am
Jerry Reeves has the Blockbuster site under contract pending rejection of the lease in bankruptcy proceedings.  Sounds like the site will be renovated for multiple retail tenants.

Link: http://tulsabusiness.com/main.asp?SectionID=24&SubSectionID=90&ArticleID=52485

Sounds like they are keeping the building and subdividing it.   :(

I was hoping Aberson would buy that property, tear down the Blockbuster, and build something like Center 1 that fronts the street.  Does the Brookside Master Plan mean anything to developers???


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: custosnox on March 30, 2011, 08:24:26 am
He already ignores me...well, sort of.
My point.  I have joined you on that list as well, it seems.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Conan71 on March 30, 2011, 08:39:51 am
Sounds like they are keeping the building and subdividing it.   :(

I was hoping Aberson would buy that property, tear down the Blockbuster, and build something like Center 1 that fronts the street.  Does the Brookside Master Plan mean anything to developers???

I don't think Aberson has that kind of grip.  FAIK, he's just a tenant and he doesn't own the Consortium or whatever it's called now.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 30, 2011, 08:51:12 am
I don't think Aberson has that kind of grip.  FAIK, he's just a tenant and he doesn't own the Consortium or whatever it's called now.

I thought he developed Center 1?

http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleid=070710_238_E1_hCent46672 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleid=070710_238_E1_hCent46672)


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: BKDotCom on March 30, 2011, 09:51:39 am
I thought he developed Center 1?

http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleid=070710_238_E1_hCent46672 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleid=070710_238_E1_hCent46672)

Well, he's no Bumgarner!   ;)


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Conan71 on March 30, 2011, 10:01:40 am
I thought he developed Center 1?

http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleid=070710_238_E1_hCent46672 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleid=070710_238_E1_hCent46672)

I'll be damned, had no idea. My bad.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 30, 2011, 02:18:24 pm
Center 1 and the Consortium are fully occupied by local businesses which is what Aberson wants.  Jerry Reeves developed the Pei Wei/Starbucks building, and whatever he does at Blockbuster will probably involve chains.  Aberson would see to it that the building is torn down, built facing the sidewalk, and filled with a mix of local businesses.

I'll be interested to see Reeves' plans, and hopefully he realizes he can get better visibility and square footage by bringing the building to the sidewalk.  It will be damn shame if that building is simply reused and there continues to be parking lot at the south gateway to Brookside....


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Conan71 on March 30, 2011, 02:24:44 pm
Center 1 and the Consortium are fully occupied by local businesses which is what Aberson wants.  Jerry Reeves developed the Pei Wei/Starbucks building, and whatever he does at Blockbuster will probably involve chains.  Aberson would see to it that the building is torn down, built facing the sidewalk, and filled with a mix of local businesses.

I'll be interested to see Reeves' plans, and hopefully he realizes he can get better visibility and square footage by bringing the building to the sidewalk.  It will be damn shame if that building is simply reused and there continues to be parking lot at the south gateway to Brookside....

Seems like Reeves got that idea with Starbucks & Pei Wei


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 30, 2011, 02:28:55 pm
Seems like Reeves got that idea with Starbucks & Pei Wei

Bringing the building to the sidewalk?  It was a vacant service station before, and I think the Brookside Infill Plan carried some weight.  It still feels suburban to me with the design and side parking lot, at least compared to Aberson's developments along Peoria.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Teatownclown on March 30, 2011, 02:43:31 pm
There's no sense in tearing down the existing building. Jerry and his partner Dale are too smart for that. Bank...ATT....and a third tenant most likely. Credit counts....


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Teatownclown on March 30, 2011, 02:45:37 pm
I'll be damned, had no idea. My bad.

Aberson did redevelop into Centre 1 with the owner/church (behind the property).

Aberson has a master lease on Centre 1 ......



Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 30, 2011, 03:19:55 pm
There's no sense in tearing down the existing building. Jerry and his partner Dale are too smart for that. Bank...ATT....and a third tenant most likely. Credit counts....

Not what Brookside needs at all....can anywhere in this city not become generic Anyplace USA??  

Maybe it was naive to expect anything more than strip retail...I still that location is perfect for a small hotel with retail at street level.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: swampee on March 30, 2011, 05:11:38 pm
I have heard that it will be a bank and an At&t store. The building will be used and the parking lot the same. The middle of brookside really sucks with the horrible Quicktrip expansion on the west and this on the east if true.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: swampee on March 30, 2011, 05:12:34 pm
Sorry already posted


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: YoungTulsan on March 30, 2011, 07:08:25 pm
Finally, a place to purchase cell phones.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: ZYX on March 30, 2011, 07:32:09 pm
There's no sense in tearing down the existing building. Jerry and his partner Dale are too smart for that. Bank...ATT....and a third tenant most likely. Credit counts....

I disagree. I think that there is sense in tearing down this building and putting in something that is more urban and that will actually contribute to Brookside. Outside of Downtown I cannot think of any real quality development that has happenned in this city in the last couple years. Like SXSW said everything we build in this city is completely generic. What happenned to Tulsa being America's most beautiful city? That is why this building should be torn down. Tulsa was not named America's most beautiful city because of strip malls and AT&ts on ever freaking corner...!


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: ZYX on March 30, 2011, 07:34:40 pm
Finally, a place to purchase cell phones.

Just can't beat 101st and Memorial though...


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Red Arrow on March 30, 2011, 07:39:39 pm
Just can't beat 101st and Memorial though...

101st & Memorial is too far in the boonies for many TNF members to travel for a phone.  They need something closer.
 :D


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 30, 2011, 08:06:39 pm
I disagree. I think that there is sense in tearing down this building and putting in something that is more urban and that will actually contribute to Brookside. Outside of Downtown I cannot think of any real quality development that has happenned in this city in the last couple years. Like SXSW said everything we build in this city is completely generic. What happenned to Tulsa being America's most beautiful city? That is why this building should be torn down. Tulsa was not named America's most beautiful city because of strip malls and AT&ts on ever freaking corner...!

Yep, this is a lost opportunity.  The only good news is that this "remodel" will be cheap and that there will be the possibility that a better developer, like Henry Aberson, will buy the property and put it to better use.  

That whole section around 36th is awful from an urban standpoint.  The streetscape extending south past 36th with more street trees, pavers in the intersection, and getting rid of the left turn lane on Peoria would be big improvements.  Both the Blockbuster and the church offer opportunities for urban infill that fronts the sidewalk and better defines the street; not the church itself but the metal building to the south.  If the church was smart they would realize they have prime Brookside frontage and would construct a building up to the sidewalk and corner of 36th Pl with retail space at street level and church functions on the second floor with parking to the east.

Brookside is a major asset for midtown and one of Tulsa's most popular districts.  It needs to be getting better not adding AT&T stores and banks that you can find everywhere else in town...





Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Conan71 on March 30, 2011, 09:41:18 pm
Yep, this is a lost opportunity.  The only good news is that this "remodel" will be cheap and that there will be the possibility that a better developer, like Henry Aberson, will buy the property and put it to better use.  

That whole section around 36th is awful from an urban standpoint.  The streetscape extending south past 36th with more street trees, pavers in the intersection, and getting rid of the left turn lane on Peoria would be big improvements.  Both the Blockbuster and the church offer opportunities for urban infill that fronts the sidewalk and better defines the street; not the church itself but the metal building to the south.  If the church was smart they would realize they have prime Brookside frontage and would construct a building up to the sidewalk and corner of 36th Pl with retail space at street level and church functions on the second floor with parking to the east.

Brookside is a major asset for midtown and one of Tulsa's most popular districts.  It needs to be getting better not adding AT&T stores and banks that you can find everywhere else in town...


As TTC pointed out, Aberson holds a master lease, he's not a property owner and until proven otherwise, I don't think he's got the kind of $$ necessary to be a serious player on Brookside other than being a lease-holder.  I believe the center he re-developed was already up to the sidewalk, and apparently was in partnership with the church.

I agree, a phone store and bank along with something else bland in a building and lot which resembles a Car Mart really sucks.  I had higher hopes for it.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: TheTed on March 30, 2011, 10:39:57 pm
I have heard that it will be a bank and an At&t store. The building will be used and the parking lot the same. The middle of brookside really sucks with the horrible Quicktrip expansion on the west and this on the east if true.
Middle? Brookside, in my estimation, is only a few blocks long. At least there are only a few blocks, all north of QT, worthy of any type of neighborhood name.

You can call the area of Peoria south of QT Brookside if you want, but I'll call it generic Tulsa.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Conan71 on March 30, 2011, 10:43:36 pm
Middle? Brookside, in my estimation, is only a few blocks long. At least there are only a few blocks, all north of QT, worthy of any type of neighborhood name.

You can call the area of Peoria south of QT Brookside if you want, but I'll call it generic Tulsa.

Imagine my dismay when I discovered legendary Beale Street in Memphis was actually slightly shorter than the more vibrant area of Brookside and not really much more compelling.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Hoss on March 30, 2011, 10:45:36 pm
Imagine my dismay when I discovered legendary Beale Street in Memphis was actually slightly shorter than the more vibrant area of Brookside and not really much more compelling.

Kinda felt that way about Sixth Street when I went to Austin.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Teatownclown on March 31, 2011, 12:05:22 am
Imagine my dismay when I discovered legendary Beale Street in Memphis was actually slightly shorter than the more vibrant area of Brookside and not really much more compelling.

Ah yes...Memphis . Another big loser with the Pyramid. But saw some special music there before it became???? a church?

Tulsa could have made the Brady, er Franklin, like Beale with %10 of the cost of the BOK. Brookside and Beale? No comparison. Apples to oranges.

Perhaps, the Brady, er Franklin, district could some day be compared. Two great anchors in the Cains and Old Lady....What $10,000,000 might have done for the area in 2025.

Another shoulda coulda woulda for Tea Town.

Brookside's just another street down some lonesome neighborhood. Little historical value compared to the potential of the Franklin district.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: YoungTulsan on March 31, 2011, 01:26:58 am
Middle? Brookside, in my estimation, is only a few blocks long. At least there are only a few blocks, all north of QT, worthy of any type of neighborhood name.

You can call the area of Peoria south of QT Brookside if you want, but I'll call it generic Tulsa.

Start reading real estate ads and the Brookside "area" goes all the way down to 61st street.  A QT being on the south side of the 36th & Peoria intersection as a point of debate about Brookside becomes funny after that.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Red Arrow on March 31, 2011, 06:36:50 am
Start reading real estate ads and the Brookside "area" goes all the way down to 61st street.  A QT being on the south side of the 36th & Peoria intersection as a point of debate about Brookside becomes funny after that.

Clever marketing.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 31, 2011, 07:58:26 am
Middle? Brookside, in my estimation, is only a few blocks long. At least there are only a few blocks, all north of QT, worthy of any type of neighborhood name.

You can call the area of Peoria south of QT Brookside if you want, but I'll call it generic Tulsa.

There are enough businesses concentrated on Peoria from 36th to 41st to warrant the name Brookside, IMO.  Not south of 41st though.  The neighborhood bounded by 31st, Riverside, Utica and 41st is also known as Brookside.  True the strip south of 36th along Peoria it is not as cohesive as the part north of 36th but there are plenty of unique businesses and it is somewhat pedestrian-friendly.  36th is currently a barrier between the two sides and this development does not help bridge that barrier.  

Brookside is good for Tulsa in many ways.  First it is centrally-located, a couple miles from downtown, a couple miles from Utica Square/Cherry Street, just a half miles from the river trails, etc.  It also has one of the better TPS schools (Eliot) and includes a large mix of housing and housing prices from 2 bd/1 ba houses going for 120K closer to the river to large homes pushing 1 million closer to Utica.  There is also the city's largest concentration of residential infill.  It is actually a part of inner city Tulsa that is attracting new families when many neighborhoods are losing them to south Tulsa and the suburbs.  Anything the city/developers/patrons can do to make it better and even more desirable is important.  There are not many neighborhoods in Tulsa with the same dynamics and mix of restaurants, retail and nightlife immediately adjacent to residential neighborhoods.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Floyd on March 31, 2011, 08:43:27 am
There shouldn't be any argument that Brookside goes to 41st.  There happens to be a dense area of commercial businesses from 33rd to 36th in Brookside, but those few blocks do not define the limits of the neighborhood. 

Just ask the Bomasada group...


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Floyd on March 31, 2011, 08:47:07 am

Tulsa could have made the Brady, er Franklin, like Beale with %10 of the cost of the BOK. Brookside and Beale? No comparison. Apples to oranges.

Perhaps, the Brady, er Franklin, district could some day be compared. Two great anchors in the Cains and Old Lady....What $10,000,000 might have done for the area in 2025.

Another shoulda coulda woulda for Tea Town.

You should elaborate on what $10m could have done.  All that comes to my mind is streetscaping and parks.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: we vs us on March 31, 2011, 08:50:09 am
Even though that kind of marketing can seem distasteful or like a lie, it's also a crucial part of the development ecosystem. It gives an up and coming district a shine, it creates interest (imprecise though it may be), and expands the boundaries of what the scientific definition of Brookside may be.  It's a variation of the old principal that if you say Brookside extends to 61st St. enough times, then it does.  And people will buy/build/visit all the way down to 61st.  


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Breadburner on March 31, 2011, 09:54:27 am
Brookside does extend to I-44 maybe even a little further......But that area is not a relevant as it was back in the day.....


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: CoffeeBean on April 03, 2011, 09:11:22 pm
Brookside runs south somewhere of 45th. 


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Hoss on April 03, 2011, 09:57:45 pm
Brookside runs south somewhere of 45th. 

Not the Brookside I know.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on April 04, 2011, 07:59:51 am
I noticed Lambruzco's is advertising itself as being located in "Lower Brookside".  So is Upper Brookside from 41st St north and Lower Brookside from 41st St south? 


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: AngieB on April 04, 2011, 03:27:47 pm
I noticed Lambruzco's is advertising itself as being located in "Lower Brookside".  So is Upper Brookside from 41st St north and Lower Brookside from 41st St south? 

Lambrusco'z is actually just encouraging people to visit Brookside north of 41st - they're not saying that's where they are located. Technically, by your logic, they would be Upper Brookside since they are on the south side of 41st st.

And might I just say... Lambrusco'z is truly Tulsa's best deli and caterer. Word.  8)


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: OpenYourEyesTulsa on April 05, 2011, 01:00:22 pm
Has anyone on the forum been to Edmonton, Alberta in Canada?  They have this really great street called Whyte Ave. and it is what I hope Brookside will become all the way from I-44 to 31st.

I like the wide sidewalks and the shops, bars, theaters, and restaurants being close to the street.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotos-g154914-d156146-Whyte_Avenue-Edmonton_Alberta.html#19019742


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Townsend on April 07, 2011, 12:46:53 pm
Well we may see Dish Network set up shop on Brookside in the old Blockbuster building.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704013604576246793189356436.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704013604576246793189356436.html)


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Conan71 on April 07, 2011, 12:49:09 pm
How does FAILnetwork keep coming up with all this cash?


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Gaspar on April 07, 2011, 12:51:35 pm
The great thing about Dish Network is that I canceled it in 2008 and got cable.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: dbacks fan on April 07, 2011, 12:56:16 pm
Has anyone tried Zediva?

http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/article/New-site-new-DVDs-on-demand-1275699.php (http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/article/New-site-new-DVDs-on-demand-1275699.php)

http://w1.zediva.com/splash/index.php (http://w1.zediva.com/splash/index.php)


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: CoffeeBean on April 25, 2011, 01:42:29 pm
Noticed the front to the old Ida Red space was remodeled to create a sheltered front patio area.  Any idea if anything is going in?   


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Patrick on April 25, 2011, 01:51:54 pm
Well we may see Dish Network set up shop on Brookside in the old Blockbuster building.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704013604576246793189356436.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704013604576246793189356436.html)

Passed by today and saw an Ark Wrecking truck out front with some junk in the back.  It was just a regular pick-up truck, nothing like a crane with a wrecking ball.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on April 25, 2011, 03:23:20 pm
Passed by today and saw an Ark Wrecking truck out front with some junk in the back.  It was just a regular pick-up truck, nothing like a crane with a wrecking ball.

That's too bad...   ;)

I usually cringe when I see their trucks, especially downtown, but they would be welcome at this location.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: we vs us on May 05, 2011, 01:21:38 pm
The real estate transaction column of the World's Business section said that Bank of the West leased 3k sq ft of space at 3559 S. Peoria.  Google Maps puts that as the ex-Blockbuster.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: joiei on May 05, 2011, 01:24:51 pm
At the Brookside Business Association meeting Wed morning they said part of the space was goibg to become a bank.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Teatownclown on May 05, 2011, 01:53:40 pm
I like Dish. You can get SIRIUS.  

My cable has increased $25 in 4 years (%78/4=%19.5 a year...push profit inflation)  for basic and that with fewer channels today. Cox suckers.

Like I stated before, phone store, bank and a still to be announced third tenant in Blockbuster.

Tequila time yet? Thinking about having a sip or two in honor of the day. ;)



Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on May 05, 2011, 03:57:47 pm
I like Dish. You can get SIRIUS.  

My cable has increased $25 in 4 years (%78/4=%19.5 a year...push profit inflation)  for basic and that with fewer channels today. Cox suckers.

Like I stated before, phone store, bank and a still to be announced third tenant in Blockbuster.

Tequila time yet? Thinking about having a sip or two in honor of the day. ;)

Awful.  That corner deserves much better. 


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Teatownclown on May 05, 2011, 10:44:45 pm
Awful.  That corner deserves much better. 

Not really. The whole area deserves decent restaurants, service and retail. Bars need to go downtown into the Boozerie area.



Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on May 06, 2011, 07:53:18 am
Not really. The whole area deserves decent restaurants, service and retail. Bars need to go downtown into the Boozerie area.

I would argue Brookside is a bigger nightlife district than downtown, even with the Blue Dome and Brady districts combined as "downtown". 

I just prefer local businesses and walkable urban design.  Developments like the Consortium, Center One, the rebuilding of the old Delta Cafe, etc. have greatly contributed to making Brookside a destination, not what they are doing with the old Blockbuster.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Floyd on May 06, 2011, 09:16:48 am
Well, it's not making things any worse.  It's still a neighborhood, after all, as well as a destination.  I understand the frustration, but not every landowner is playing SimTulsa. 


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: DTowner on May 06, 2011, 09:30:05 am
I would argue it is worse than the current building because it has almost no chance of ever becoming anything else.  Yet another bank in Brookside does nothing to add interest to the area and creates a little dead zone a night.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Teatownclown on May 06, 2011, 10:35:58 am
Dead zones make for good parking!


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: TheTed on May 06, 2011, 11:21:27 am
It's amazing how many banks there are. I go to the bank like four times a year. And I'm considering switching from BOK to a bank with an app to deposit checks via smartphone.

Once that happens and my apartment's washer/dryers start accepting credit, I'll never see the inside of a bank again.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on May 06, 2011, 12:37:21 pm
I would argue it is worse than the current building because it has almost no chance of ever becoming anything else.  Yet another bank in Brookside does nothing to add interest to the area and creates a little dead zone a night.

Exactly, the Blockbuster had a death wish 5 years ago and I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.  That building could've easily been torn down and a new building built to the sidewalk with space for 3-4 small retailers, including a bank if they really wanted to be there.  The advantage would be that Brookside would continue to cater to the pedestrian with sidewalk-facing buildings and not the car with a front parking lot.  It discourages walking which is one of the reasons Brookside is so popular.  

It should've been built like Center One and would've served as a nice gateway into the heart of Brookside from the south..


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Nik on May 08, 2011, 12:11:14 pm
Noticed the front to the old Ida Red space was remodeled to create a sheltered front patio area.  Any idea if anything is going in?   

Another self serve yogurt place. Not sure which brand.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Teatownclown on May 08, 2011, 01:24:26 pm
That's the word. Yogurt shops are todays ice cream parlors. This year there has been many many opened.
Americans can be fooled but most eventually just come full circle.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: rdj on June 08, 2011, 12:15:59 pm
Is it confirmed that a bank is going in this old Blockbuster?  I have a contact with a financial service company that is looking for a midtown location.  They wouldn't share a spot with a bank.  I hate to have them call the broker, that is like sending someone to a dating site.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Teatownclown on June 08, 2011, 12:56:29 pm
yes...confirmed.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: stageidea on June 08, 2011, 12:59:15 pm
I was hoping for something more exciting than a bank.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Teatownclown on June 08, 2011, 10:47:08 pm
Like another boozerie? A tattoo parlor? Another pizza joint?

What did you have in mind?

A bakery? A jewelry store? A used car lot? A car rental lot?

There's not a whole lot of demand period. Just look down the street at the constant turnover. Unfortunately, the trickle down economy drained all the mom and pops from self proprietorship retail. Not many national chains want to go that close to the river nor an area with these demographics unless it's Utica Square.

Banks are a staple in neighborhoods. Keeps money safe from looters unless they go unregulated.

The key ingredient for any successful real estate project is the underlying credit of the occupants. Hence, the best projects don't appear to be what all the "I want this and that" crowd cries out for. Unfortunately, the real pros stay with what's financially feasible. That means companies with solid credit.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Breadburner on June 08, 2011, 10:53:46 pm
Like another boozerie?

Or yoga for people stoned and over 60.....


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Teatownclown on June 08, 2011, 11:22:50 pm
Or yoga for people stoned and over 60.....

Now a marijuana dispensary would be ideal but for the fact we will be the last state to ever legitimize the substance. The nursing homes/assisted living/retirement complexes need to infill downtown to help that area with disposable income. Yoga doesn't need four walls....besides, it's for the balanced and flexible which Tulsa is very short on.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: stageidea on June 09, 2011, 09:55:31 am
I am not saying that a bank is a negative.  Just not that exciting. 

Of your list I think I would like the Bakery.  But note I would like a "Real" bakery, not another Panera clone.  I am actually surprised it isn't yet another tanning store or nail salon.   



Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Townsend on June 09, 2011, 09:59:38 am
A bank is fine imo.  Be lovely if they moved it up to the sidewalk and made it more attractive.

I think the bank robbers are probably looking for a place to work and then be able to easily walk over to an entertainment venue or coffee place to spend their ill-gotten booty.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: YoungTulsan on June 09, 2011, 11:47:35 am
I said it in my 2008 post, what Brookside needs is more residents first and foremost.  It doesn't even have the population density that it did 20 years ago due to the single family postwar homes now mostly being rent houses for 20somethings, or elderly people who bought the home originally.  New businesses continue to be a risky proposition there until more people actually LIVE there.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on February 05, 2012, 12:30:04 pm
New restaurant/bar concept R Bar is now open where BruHouse used to be (34th & Peoria).  I walked by last night and it was packed.  There is also a new boutique next door (C Grant) that has been open for a few weeks.  They have really modernized that part of the block.

On A Whim (women's boutique from OKC) is also set to open soon in the last vacant spaces in Center One next to Blue Moon.

There is also some serious infill going on in the neighborhood to the east of Peoria.  I counted at least 8 different construction projects in that small area.  Some of it is decent, most of it is crap..


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Townsend on February 10, 2012, 11:31:51 am

From The KOTV Vault: 'Shorts Day' Flops On Tulsa's Brookside  (1979)


http://www.newson6.com/story/16901754/from-the-vault-shorts-days-flops-for-tulsas-brookside (http://www.newson6.com/story/16901754/from-the-vault-shorts-days-flops-for-tulsas-brookside)


(http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/images/16901754_BG2.jpg)

(http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/images/16901754_BG1.jpg)


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: carltonplace on February 10, 2012, 12:09:33 pm
Thats hot


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Townsend on February 10, 2012, 12:10:25 pm
Thats hot

Waiting for someone like Aqua to say "holy Moses, that's me."


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: RecycleMichael on February 10, 2012, 01:12:35 pm
The hoods hung out in that parking lot. We cool kids were across the street and a mile north of there.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: swake on February 10, 2012, 01:45:26 pm
Im guessing there were a lot more Buds in that parking lot than just the grocery store.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: dbacks fan on February 10, 2012, 05:31:02 pm
Probably both kinds of 'buds'.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: AquaMan on February 10, 2012, 05:48:56 pm
Waiting for someone like Aqua to say "holy Moses, that's me."

Holy Macaroni!! The guy sitting on the cycle. That's me....or could have been.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: YoungTulsan on February 10, 2012, 10:47:38 pm
Funny how that KOTV video ties to the discussion earlier in this thread about what Brookside's boundaries are.   Obviously 1979 is different than today, as the further south areas have become blighted (the beginning of which actually being documented in this 1979 clip) - But there they are having a Brookside event south of I-44.

Did Chester consider his first store a part of Brookside I wonder?


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Teatownclown on February 11, 2012, 02:31:49 pm
Funny how that KOTV video ties to the discussion earlier in this thread about what Brookside's boundaries are.   Obviously 1979 is different than today, as the further south areas have become blighted (the beginning of which actually being documented in this 1979 clip) - But there they are having a Brookside event south of I-44.

Did Chester consider his first store a part of Brookside I wonder?

Most definitely KAKC was at the end of the strip and QT was in front....


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: YoungTulsan on February 11, 2012, 04:48:48 pm
The leading sector of business down there today appears to be payday loans.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: CoffeeBean on November 03, 2012, 02:04:25 pm
Anybody know what's going at the old Flying Burrito spot?


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Breadburner on November 03, 2012, 03:22:42 pm
Anybody know what's going at the old Flying Burrito spot?

Zoes Kitchen.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: BKDotCom on November 03, 2012, 05:26:24 pm
http://zoeskitchen.com/ for the uninitiated


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Vision 2025 on November 05, 2012, 08:57:31 am
The hoods hung out in that parking lot. We cool kids were across the street and a mile north of there.
Safeway?


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: RecycleMichael on November 05, 2012, 10:18:36 am
Next door to Safeway. At the Upholstery company parking lot just north.

We had quite a large crowd most weekend nights.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Vision 2025 on November 05, 2012, 10:38:20 am
Next door to Safeway. At the Upholstery company parking lot just north.

We had quite a large crowd most weekend nights.
The Moss crowd... DQ here.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 05, 2018, 10:46:25 am
Saw this posted on the Preserve Midtown Facebook page.  Really curious to know more about the hotel/parking garage and where this is located?

Quote
FYI Development news/update from the Brookside Neighborhood Association website:

a. Bus Rapid Transit Convert properties to MX zoning at 41st Place & Peoria
b. Possible multi-story parking garage (camouflaged with landscaping), hotel and
restaurants on bottom floors. Hotel could provide transportation to Gathering Place.

c. More development needed along Peoria between 41st and 51st
d. Question asked about commercial development along Riverside:
Phase II of Gathering Place from 31st to 34th Streets will be commercial

If you want to know more, please consider attending the Brookside Neighborhood Meeting tonight from 6-7 pm at Southminster Presbyterian Church- Dining Hall (south parking lot off 35th Place)

https://www.facebook.com/PreserveMidtown/ (https://www.facebook.com/PreserveMidtown/)


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Tulsasaurus Rex on March 05, 2018, 06:27:40 pm
Fascinating


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: BKDotCom on March 05, 2018, 08:16:27 pm
Saw this posted on the Preserve Midtown Facebook page.  Really curious to know more about the hotel/parking garage and where this is located?

https://www.facebook.com/PreserveMidtown/ (https://www.facebook.com/PreserveMidtown/)

did you "consider attending the Brookside Neighborhood Meeting tonight" ?


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: cannon_fodder on March 06, 2018, 08:40:37 am
I wonder if that is the same one rumored at 21st and Boston?  Not exactly midtown, but...


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 06, 2018, 09:26:52 am
It's at 41st Place & Peoria and includes that vacant property between 41st Pl and 42nd St.  Tim Clark is the developer.  IMO that's an odd location for a hotel...





Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: BKDotCom on March 06, 2018, 09:49:45 am
IMO that's an odd location for a hotel...

Apparently less odd than Utica Square.  Which is odd.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: rebound on March 06, 2018, 09:50:12 am
I wonder if that is the same one rumored at 21st and Boston?  Not exactly midtown, but...

Just curious, what would be Midtown then?   I'm not sure what the official designation is, but (particularly in the area directly South of downtown) my thought is that anything South of the IDL is Midtown.  Certainly by the time you get to 21st, you are solidly into Midtown.



Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 06, 2018, 09:58:10 am
Just curious, what would be Midtown then?   I'm not sure what the official designation is, but (particularly in the area directly South of downtown) my thought is that anything South of the IDL is Midtown.  Certainly by the time you get to 21st, you are solidly into Midtown.

I agree.  Downtown is just inside the IDL.  Riverview, including the historic neighborhood and commercial areas between Boulder and Boston, is part of midtown.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 06, 2018, 09:59:24 am
Apparently less odd than Utica Square.  Which is odd.

Utica Square would be a great location for a hotel.  Honestly surprised there is not one already there, or next to it.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: patric on March 06, 2018, 10:01:02 am
Just curious, what would be Midtown then?   I'm not sure what the official designation is, but (particularly in the area directly South of downtown) my thought is that anything South of the IDL is Midtown.  Certainly by the time you get to 21st, you are solidly into Midtown.

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/01/0015ed5e-9abd-11e5-8bc8-d36dece97e7c/5661e92eae164.preview.jpg?resize=800%2C627)

The Whirled uses this, other media use other maps but Ive always understood Sheridan to be the Midtown/East divider, for example.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: Townsend on March 06, 2018, 11:20:14 am
Please let this be the end of the "Where is midtown?" discussion on this thread.

We have beaten this horse into dust.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on March 06, 2018, 11:49:47 am
Please let this be the end of the "Where is midtown?" discussion on this thread.

We have beaten this horse into dust.

And yet people still aren't sure about it. That map is a helpful general guideline.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: cannon_fodder on March 06, 2018, 11:57:12 am
Damn, sorry.  Didn't mean to open this can of worms.  I only meant the area from 21st north to the IDL is usually not considered part of midtown because it is an entirely different character than then "rest" of midtown to the east of Cinci.    Uptown, 18th and Boston area, whatever. 

Happy to fight in some other thread, but we can all agree that Brookside IS in Midtown   ;D. 


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: SXSW on March 06, 2018, 12:04:38 pm
Anyone know the current plans for the Trinity UMC property at 37th Pl & Peoria?  At one time they discussed building a new church there.  If I were Trinity I would do a mixed-use building with retail on the first floor and church functions above.  Brookside Baptist Church at 36th & Peoria could do the same thing with their building next to Zoe's Kitchen.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: RecycleMichael on March 07, 2018, 09:05:27 am
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/01/0015ed5e-9abd-11e5-8bc8-d36dece97e7c/5661e92eae164.preview.jpg?resize=800%2C627)

This map sucks. Where is the Mid East?

Are we afraid of properly naming it that because there is always tension there?


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on May 11, 2018, 10:37:35 am
Quote
Coffee, cocktails and carnations: Husband, wife team up for new concept on Brookside


It will be called Foolish Things Bar and Biscuit

With close to a dozen years of combined business acumen between them, husband and wife entrepreneurs Justin and Katie Carpenter have proven they are adept at many things.

Standing still, however, isnt among them.

Were not very good at relaxing, which is a good or a bad thing depending on how you look at it, she said. But we just love what we do. If were not working, were talking about work or talking about other conversations weve had with other business owners or where we are in the process. It kind of never stops for us.


The new cost for doing business in Tulsa.
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Staying in character, Justin Carpenter, owner of Foolish Things Coffee Co., and Katie Carpenter, co-owner of Ever Something, an event/wedding planning/floral shop, are planning a new venture in the Brookside area.

Foolish Things Bar & Biscuit will incorporate coffee, cocktails, food and flowers at 3524F S. Peoria Ave. in Center 1. It is expected to open around October, the couple said.

Were kind of excited to bring both of our passions together and present a new experience, honestly, for Tulsa, Katie Carpenter said this week during an interview at Foolish Things Coffee Co., 1001 S. Main St.

Nestled in a narrow, 2,600-square-foot space, Bar & Biscuit, besides serving espressos, spirits, wine and beer, will cater its cooking to the brunch and pre- and post-dinner crowds. The floral component will allow customers to buy arrangements and bouquets or simply watch employees create them.

In the same way as the downtown location, we want someone to come in after a run and feel comfortable bellying up next to someone in a tux about to go to a wedding, Justin Carpenter said in an email.

In an earlier interview, he said, Were trying to do something thats unique to Tulsa but that is also very respectful to the neighborhood, that really tries to embody what the neighborhood is about.

The Carpenters were college sweethearts at Wheaton College, the Illinois liberal arts school they attended. Justin Carpenter started Foolish Things Coffee in September 2012, and Katie Carpenter will celebrate her five-year anniversary at Ever Something in a few months.

Hes so driven and passionate, Katie said of her husband. So when he finds something that he really wants to pursue, he kind of goes all in. That was definitely his mindset when it came to opening a retail space.

With no previous experience in the cafe industry, Justin Carpenter trained at Topeca Coffee before opening his first business. For the Brookside concept, he is being tutored by the drink experts at Valkyrie. Also, working with the Carpenters on cuisine and menu development is chef Philip Phillips, who founded the local Lone Wolf food truck.

One of the coolest parts for us is being able to collaborate with people in the industry, Justin Carpenter said. Its unique to Tulsa that we have an environment where chefs and restaurateurs and bar owners are willing to partner with people they trust who are going to push the industry forward. Its flattering for us that we are considered part of that group.


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Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on May 11, 2018, 10:39:42 am
It will be called Foolish Things Bar and Biscuit

This concept sounds interesting and Foolish Things is great, but that name sounds ridiculous. I won't be surprised if people think it's some kind of dog-friendly bar or dog related place.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: hello on May 11, 2018, 10:47:38 am
Ever Something is a little out of my price range when I'm trying to buy flowers. I'm sure they're worth it but...yeah.

Tulsa needs something like OKCs Okay Yeah/Plant Shoppe. Great coffee and plant store, with pretty reasonable prices.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: rebound on May 11, 2018, 11:02:33 am
This concept sounds interesting and Foolish Things is great, but that name sounds ridiculous. I won't be surprised if people think it's some kind of dog-friendly bar or dog related place.

Slight Drift.   We need more dog-friendly bars and restaurants in this town!  On brookside, about the only option is RBar. 


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: AdamsHall on May 11, 2018, 12:30:57 pm
Slight Drift.   We need more dog-friendly bars and restaurants in this town!  On brookside, about the only option is RBar. 

Blue Moon Cafe patio is dog friendly too.


Title: Re: Brookside
Post by: rebound on May 13, 2018, 06:59:13 pm
Blue Moon Cafe patio is dog friendly too.

Forgot about that one.  I remember you have to take the dog around the outside.