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Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: FOTD on September 29, 2008, 09:34:30 am Ouch! Remy must have taken it in the chops for ZeeZee. Hey that rhymes.
What rhymes with debt? Bad Bet? Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: Conan71 on September 29, 2008, 09:50:03 am quote: What's your point? I heard it sold out. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: FOTD on September 29, 2008, 10:19:14 am The place only holds 3500?
Did you read the article Conehead? Just another citizen subsidized maintenance nussance. The devil bets a name change will be in order some day. Remy? Rhymes with Reem Me? Thank gawd the Shangra lah lah financiers pulled the plug before that deal got too far down the sheetter.... http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080929_12_A13_hTheta246902 Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: Ibanez on September 29, 2008, 11:04:03 am It holds 4,500 in the configuration it was in last night.
I was there, it was sold out and ZZ Top put on a great show. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: Gaspar on September 29, 2008, 11:38:26 am I heard it went well too, and the restaurants, bars and businesses in the surrounding buildings were all packed before the show.
I was kinda worried about traffic flow, but we had to drive the area just before the show and it was not too bad. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: tulsapoolplyr88 on September 29, 2008, 11:47:56 am Exiting from the parking garage was a cluster. (what event isn't?) But, otherwise, looked like a nice facility.
Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: TheTed on September 29, 2008, 12:11:59 pm quote: Exiting any kind of suburban events facility is a giant clusterf***. Thousands of people all going toward one exit. It's the funnel traffic flow of suburban housing developments multiplied by 1,000. Downtown venues have that going for them: spread out parking and lots of streets going lots of different directions. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: inteller on September 29, 2008, 12:29:23 pm quote: after the Zig Zigler disaster you have the gall to post that bull****? Just ****. I drove by Regal Plaza when it was filling up and when it was emptying out and it was nothing, NOTHING, like the complete and total failure that happened downtown last Monday. I moved 50 feet in 30 minutes last Monday. NO COMPARISON. Here is people's real beef with Spirit Events Center....it was built with no -direct- taxation of the public. If it is a failure taxpayers aren't left holding a silver toilet bowl. The Oligarchy WANT SEC to fail because it competes for a certain segment of acts that could play in the BOk. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: TURobY on September 29, 2008, 01:04:16 pm quote: I thought it would compete more with the Brady Theatre, not the BOK. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: Conan71 on September 29, 2008, 01:09:42 pm quote: Tulsa World's numbers were suspect. Every other outlet called it a sell-out. Now, what does Pete Boylan's project have to do with this and what is your obsession with Remy? Did he try and screw some sand mites out of some $$$? Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: Ibanez on September 29, 2008, 01:34:07 pm quote: You must have gotten stuck behind some drunks or some idiots or both. My wife and I walked to our car, which was parked just East of the Mexican restaurant, got in and were out on Memorial in less than five minutes. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: joiei on September 29, 2008, 05:32:32 pm quote:That's what you get for thinking there is only one entrance and one exit from downtown. Have you tried going into downtown from Peoria or from the north side of the IDL? There are many different approaches to downtown, you just have to get away from South County to find them. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: tulsapoolplyr88 on September 29, 2008, 07:33:38 pm quote:We sat dead stop...not moving an inch for about a half hour (possibly more) on the third level of the parking garage. Once we started moving, it went quick. Once we came around the first and second level, they were almost empty. So, I'm assuming that they blocked each level above to let the lower level clear out first. I know that sounds stupid, but that's what it appeared like. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: inteller on September 30, 2008, 07:41:03 am quote: My destination 100 W 1st St was ****ed in all directions so save that bull**** for the funny papers you ****.....but go ahead and reply with something really stupid like "well you should just have just parked somewhere else that day" Oh yeah, I'll just inconvienence myself to accomodate a ****ing failure in planning. My god, do you just get completely stupid and naive the closer you live to downtown? Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: Hoss on September 30, 2008, 08:11:10 am quote: Just a point; I don't think 34000 people work close to downtown Bixby. And my guess? The further south you live in Tulsa county, the more anger issues it appears you get. [:O] Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: inteller on September 30, 2008, 08:12:37 am quote: nope, which further disproves the BS statements about traffic being bad at Regal Plaza...SPE definitely has its advantages. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: TheArtist on September 30, 2008, 08:50:09 am Why is it that it seems to be ok to ***** about "sitting in traffic" (at 2 different venues in the entire city) and say its a planning failure... but if you want to walk anywhere, bike, take mass transit, etc. its not a planning failure and your likely a nut?
***** all ya want about sitting in traffic, until pedestrians in this town get equal consideration, you have no ground to stand on imho. The majority of this city is "planned" around cars and traffic, not around pedestrians, people and places, or mass transit. Waaa Waaaa Waaaa, the sky is falling, I had to sit in traffic for 30 minutes. OMG the sky is falling. What a bunch of freaks. [xx(] Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: joiei on September 30, 2008, 08:50:57 am quote:I guess I do. I didn't realize that you are so important that you might possibly require a police escort into downtown to do your business. And what is so bad about parking a few blocks away and taking a walk? Again, I ask what was it like back when downtown was the place where everything happened? Did the world stop just because you might have an appointment downtown? I would bet that you do not stop at one of the big Box stores in south Tulsa unless you can park right at the front door. God forbid that you have to walk an extra 20 feet. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: DolfanBob on September 30, 2008, 09:24:38 am Just an observation. I have not been in the Spirit Bank Center, but I saw it on The News on Six when they were talking with a rep about the grand opening. Is it me or does it look like a glorified High School Gymnasium. If thats the case why not just rename the UMAC and start having concerts there. Sounds like it holds about the same amount of people.
Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: Kashmir on September 30, 2008, 10:07:33 am IS IT POSSIBLE...
To see shows both at the BOK and the SpiritBank place as your whims desire? IS IT POSSIBLE... To be happy there are now 2 concert venues serving different needs when a year ago they did not exist? IS IT POSSIBLE... To realize exiting a parking garage after an event takes a lil' bit o' time, no matter where you are? IS IT POSSIBLE... For the midtowners and Southies to quit baggin' on each other already? Geez. They are both good to live. They both have good food. They both have a different flavor. They both have decent schools. Move on already! Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: sgrizzle on September 30, 2008, 10:22:45 am quote: Kashmir - see here: http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11510 Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: TheTed on September 30, 2008, 10:48:24 am quote: It does look like a high school gym with a nicer entryway. The UMAC holds more people, 5,600 to 4,500 for SpiritBank. (This is according to each venue's website.) Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: marc on September 30, 2008, 11:02:44 am quote: Impossible for some to be happy. Unhappy with tax payer funded arena, unhappy with privately funded event center. They won't be happy until they live in a village out in the panhandle with no concerts, no events, no traffic jams. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: inteller on September 30, 2008, 11:28:57 am quote: pancakes? Is it not possible to make it clear enough for you? I am trying to get to my PAID parking spot! You think I should just forfeit my PAID parking for a day and go PAY to park somewhere else because a bunch of people with low self esteem all need to come downtown and get motivated? I tell you what, you buy out my paid parking for the days they want to cluster**** everything around 1st/Boulder and I'll park 10 minutes away and walk...deal? Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: FOTD on September 30, 2008, 11:29:18 am quote: No Coron....corporate welfare in both cases.....the one's taking the risk are school children. Wouldn't expect you to get it.[:P] Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: inteller on September 30, 2008, 11:33:21 am quote:That is probably the typical arena configuration for basketball games. Does the UMAC even go for concerts like ZZ Top and STP? I've never heard of such. UMAC goes for stuff like home and garden shows and stuff that just needs raw floor space. Traffic is never fun around UMAC when it is having one of those shows....but it is still better than a Zig Ziglar show on a Monday morning downtown. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: RecycleMichael on September 30, 2008, 04:38:41 pm quote: So you have a problem with your parking lot operator. He oversold his product. So why have you been whining for a week blaming the arena, the city, and the Mayor? Where do you park and who do you pay for your parking spot? Maybe you should direct some of your anger toward them. Never mind, I am sure they have already heard from you. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: inteller on September 30, 2008, 06:30:10 pm [EDIT]....you just don't get it. parking wasnt the problem for me. GETTING to the parking was the problem.[V]
Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: HazMatCFO on October 01, 2008, 06:19:13 am I applaud Remy for building a multi-purpose facility without taxpayer money.
Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: swake on October 01, 2008, 07:22:32 am quote: He got a TIFF Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: AMP on October 01, 2008, 08:21:01 am Actually I believe Tulsa has several venues that host concerts. This new phenomenon of concerts at the newer venues seems to be an interesting chain of events.
Brady Theatre being one of if not the best for acoustics and viewing, no neck crick the next morning from turning ones head sitting in an arena seat. Few others include: Pavilion Expo Square Quik Trip Center Expo Square Grand Stands Expo Square (Willie Nelson 4th of July Birthday Bash) New building Expo Square Performing Arts Center Mabee Center Maxwell Convention Center aka Civic Center BOK Center Rose Bowl Cains Ballroom Tulsa Event Center (Oertle's Building on Memorial) One of Tulsa's largest concerts was held in the Oertle's parking lot in the late 60s according to Tulsa TV Memories. I left off a few to give you other posters something to post. :) Of course Tulsa also has several arena type buildings that seem to be built for Hockey Games, with a floor space of 85 feet by 200 feet. Same as most rodeo arena dimensions. We have these arenas ranging in seating capicity from 2,000 up to 19,000. We have a couple that have a bit larger floor space, Ford Livestock building at Expo with dirt foor. Lazy E Arena in Guthrie, OK has a floor that is 250 wide and 450 long. It rocks for Arenacross, Monster Trucks and Dirt Track racing. Too bad Tulsa planners did not build us a building with a decent size floor, considering we already have a half dozen with Hockey Rink size floors. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: sgrizzle on October 01, 2008, 08:58:42 am We have one of the largest clearspan buildings in the world and the new ballroom being built on the convention center. Those are both big floors.
Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: AMP on October 01, 2008, 09:11:24 am True, decent floor space at the IPE Building, but no modern seating.
Seems we have lots of seats and a tiny floor or lots of floor and tiny funkey old school seating. Cannot seem to combine both into one venue. Another item missing in the archeticture at the IPE and the new Ballroom is a wall surrounding the floor space. Most arenas have a wall with curved corners that allow for action events to be held in them. Multi Purpose Event Centers as they build in our neighboring state to the south, Texas and in Missouri and Louisiana. Not sure why they seem to get it right, and we miss it totally. It is a no brainer. Raises the seating above the arena floor to allow for safety when the participants are race vehicles or massive Elephants etc. Having a single level floor and attempting to install temporary walls, fencing and bleachers seems to be a large expense that is not an investment, just a liability. Add up the cost of hauling in and out dirt, fencing, DOT barriers, and old school splintered bleachers for the ABA Bicycle Races, Tulsa Shootout, Chili Bowl and the Starbird Monster Truck races at the IPE over the past 23 plus years. That wasted money could of gone to help pay for another building that size with proper architecture, clay foor and decent seating arangements. Granted the flat floor lends itself to a greater number of events, but the cost to provide for proper logistics is extremely high. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: FOTD on October 01, 2008, 10:20:38 am Too few dollars chasing too many venues....and Remy did get government assistance from a TIFF which if the deal goes south not only Spirit bank but kids will suffer. Big risk these TIFFs.
Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: nathanm on October 01, 2008, 12:12:47 pm quote: There was an order of magnitude difference in attendance, you twit. You really think thirty thousand people at 106th and Memorial wouldn't **** traffic for a few hours? And you'd really have hated to be in Fayetteville this past weekend. I know I did. Sometimes, events happen and they make parking difficult. I know plenty of people with paid parking downtown there who are out of luck on event days. Of course, the City of Fayetteville is kind enough to be up front and say your hang tag isn't good for special events. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: inteller on October 01, 2008, 08:12:03 pm did anyone say 30000 people came to 106th and memorial? no, but someone said that the 3500 or so at regal plaza made traffic a mess, which is just total bull****.
and twit? that would be the person who tried to take a car anywhere near Dickson during BB&BBQ.......twit.[}:)] Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: patric on October 02, 2008, 07:53:02 am If you think it was a problem getting in and out of the area, it wasnt so great for those who live there.
Sure they built a 15-foot fence, but their all-night lighting is mounted high above that and trespassing into neighbors yards. (http://www.tulsaworld.com/articleimages/2008/20081002_Bixbyreax1002.jpg) 'Another neighborhood concern is light pollution, said resident Kyle Conaway, 31, whose property is next to the parking garage adjacent to the center. The garage was also a source of late-night noise, he said. "Our children couldn't sleep," Conaway said. "We're totally for economic development and we're pro-business in Bixby, but I think there was a lot of things the city could have done to protect the neighborhood." (police chief) Shirley said the lights would be a City Council issue and not a police issue, but that police would continue to work with the center on security, traffic and noise control in the area. "It's a commercial area, and anytime you have a commercial area back up to a residential area, you try to work out what's best for both properties," he said. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20081002_11_A1_Kloaar19450 A commercial developer that big had no idea that improperly-designed commercial lighting would trespass into residential neighborhoods? In Tulsa, it's covered under zoning (Ordinance 1303c) but Bixby gets to re-invent the wheel. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: waterboy on October 02, 2008, 07:59:39 am quote: ADMINISTRATORS!! Is this really necessary? We're talking parking lots here folks. Get a grip. Corrected. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: nathanm on October 02, 2008, 11:57:04 am quote: I'm not the one that decided that it was a good weekend to move offices. [:O] Besides, if you know the area well, you can avoid the worst of the traffic. There are lots of little side streets. Sort of like downtown Tulsa. Parking was a much bigger issue. Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: patric on October 02, 2008, 01:14:40 pm quote: That building is now the Clear Channel Center, and the Event Center remained heated, lit and empty with automatic generators during the ice storm when there was no power for miles... Title: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: marc on October 02, 2008, 07:24:50 pm quote: I wonder what artist or artists played at that concert? Was it a rock show? Title: Re: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: FOTD on December 02, 2009, 11:57:27 am Another devilish prediction comes true....
Bankable venue SpiritBank takes over ownership of event center, plaza in Bixby http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=32&articleid=20091202_32_E1_People589936 Build it and they will Deed in lieu... Jenks may be next..... Then Spirit Bank, maybe. Title: Re: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: FOTD on December 02, 2009, 12:17:23 pm Wonder how much Remy took in development fees to pocket? Stupid lenders.
Remy will have a big debt forgiveness tax to pay......perhaps those self paid fees will cover the liability to taxpayers.... Title: Re: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: Conan71 on December 02, 2009, 12:51:27 pm Polite way to say "Foreclosure" for sure. They have art shows and gun shows scheduled through March at the S'pank great revenue generators, I'm sure. ::)
"The Tulsa-based bank has taken over ownership and management of the 4,500-seat center in Bixby as well as Regal Plaza, a surrounding 130,000-square-foot retail and office complex, from the Remy Cos. in exchange for wiping out almost $28 million in mortgages. The Remy Cos. constructed the $50 million project in 2006, and continued to operate Regal Plaza and the event center until transferring it to SpiritBank earlier this month, said Joyce Madewell, executive vice president of marketing for the bank. She confirmed the property transfer in an e-mail SpiritBank sent to the Tulsa World. " Title: Re: SpiritBank Event Center Post by: patric on August 12, 2019, 11:28:07 am Church group buys SpiritBank Event Center in Bixby
A local event center where bands such as ZZ Top once performed and a professional basketball team used to play has been sold to a church group. Greenwood Christian Center Inc., 1519 W. Pine St., this week purchased the SpiritBank Event Center, 10441 S. Regal Blvd. in Bixby, for $10.5 million, Tulsa County land records show. SpiritBank had announced in June 2014 that it would no longer seek to host major events at the facility, which includes a 4,500-seat performance venue, while continuing to look for a buyer. The four-story building most recently has been used as office space and the arena for church services, a bank spokeswoman said. https://www.tulsaworld.com/business/church-group-buys-spiritbank-event-center-in-bixby/article_b2d8f331-d214-5931-b510-f09f81d8ac16.html |