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Title: Would love to look at Fregonese's tools and data
Post by: cmoreno on September 24, 2008, 06:50:44 am
Anyone know where we can get ahold of the survey data that Fregonese presented at the workshop?

The presenter sped through his slides, and pointed out some demographic data, trends shaping tulsa's future, etc., but it seemed to me that there was a lot more there that he didn't have time to show.

I also expected to be able to go back to the planiTulsa website and see those surveys we took, and look at the results and citizen's comments, etc.  ...did they take that down?  or did they never post it in the first place?

I'd be interested in going back to see if the results and comments/ideas from the surveys match up with the maps that folks created; if those ideas made it through from one part of the process to the other.


Title: Would love to look at Fregonese's tools and data
Post by: sgrizzle on September 24, 2008, 08:13:39 am
Here is some info:
http://www.planitulsa.com/presentations


Title: Would love to look at Fregonese's tools and data
Post by: tim huntzinger on September 24, 2008, 08:26:20 am
Executive Summary here. (http://"http://www.planitulsa.com/files/pdf/research-20080717.pdf")

I must say I am always prepared for more BS and was more than ready to call BS on this project (I mean, how many consultants will it take?)  However, I am heartened by the responses of Tulsans and hope that this actually goes somewhere.


Title: Would love to look at Fregonese's tools and data
Post by: cmoreno on September 24, 2008, 08:59:41 am
thanks!
as always, our good friend michael bates is on the case as well.  his article:

http://www.batesline.com/archives/2008/08/tulsas-ekg.html

has links to a lot of resources as well.  i'll be sure to go through those.  i did ask where the raw data was, and he said he'd expected to get it back in july.  ...maybe we can lean on them a little to get that posted for us.

the map exercise was great, but in order to truly create a comprehensive plan, IMO we really need to analyse some of these bigger issues and the concerns of citizens in a lot greater detail.


Title: Would love to look at Fregonese's tools and data
Post by: AVERAGE JOE on September 24, 2008, 07:46:25 pm
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Originally posted by cmoreno


the map exercise was great, but in order to truly create a comprehensive plan, IMO we really need to analyse some of these bigger issues and the concerns of citizens in a lot greater detail.


Nine more workshops to come. They're supposed to be small-area focused, which means a lot more detail.


Title: Would love to look at Fregonese's tools and data
Post by: Double A on September 24, 2008, 09:59:34 pm
quote:
Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:
Originally posted by cmoreno


the map exercise was great, but in order to truly create a comprehensive plan, IMO we really need to analyse some of these bigger issues and the concerns of citizens in a lot greater detail.


Nine more workshops to come. They're supposed to be small-area focused, which means a lot more detail.



Theron Warlick told our table that the number of small area workshops had been reduced to 8, because of the addition of the transit workshop. You guys really need to get on the same page.


Title: Would love to look at Fregonese's tools and data
Post by: cmoreno on September 24, 2008, 10:07:11 pm
"transit workshop"?  what's that?


Title: Would love to look at Fregonese's tools and data
Post by: AVERAGE JOE on September 25, 2008, 11:24:25 am
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Originally posted by Double A

quote:
Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:
Originally posted by cmoreno


the map exercise was great, but in order to truly create a comprehensive plan, IMO we really need to analyse some of these bigger issues and the concerns of citizens in a lot greater detail.


Nine more workshops to come. They're supposed to be small-area focused, which means a lot more detail.



Theron Warlick told our table that the number of small area workshops had been reduced to 8, because of the addition of the transit workshop. You guys really need to get on the same page.


8 + 1 = 9


Title: Would love to look at Fregonese's tools and data
Post by: carltonplace on September 25, 2008, 12:27:20 pm
That is some goofy math


Title: Would love to look at Fregonese's tools and data
Post by: Double A on September 25, 2008, 02:08:45 pm
quote:
Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:
Originally posted by Double A

quote:
Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:
Originally posted by cmoreno


the map exercise was great, but in order to truly create a comprehensive plan, IMO we really need to analyse some of these bigger issues and the concerns of citizens in a lot greater detail.


Nine more workshops to come. They're supposed to be small-area focused, which means a lot more detail.



Theron Warlick told our table that the number of small area workshops had been reduced to 8, because of the addition of the transit workshop. You guys really need to get on the same page.


8 + 1 = 9




That's only 8 small area workshops, not the nine that have been promised. Unless, of course the transit workshop will only be confined to a small area. I can only imagine the howls of protest from the light rail mafia if that's the case. Goofy math indeed.


Title: Would love to look at Fregonese's tools and data
Post by: MDepr2007 on September 25, 2008, 02:18:24 pm
I want as many in my district as district 4 has had[^]