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from ABC (http://"http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html")

 

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Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

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Oh, man.  That's gotta sting.

In the video where she actually asks what it is that the VP does (if she is ready to be president day one, shouldn't she at least know what the VP does?), did you notice her comment regarding what's in it for Alaska?  Not how could she serve her country, but what advantage would this give to her state.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oro2Yh9HoEM

So McCain has chosen a woman who is radically anti-choice, who believes in teaching creationism in schools, whose husband has a DUI, who is currently under investigation in her state, who was before the bridge to nowhere before she was against it, whose experience consists of being the governor of a state with a population less than 1/3 the size of Chicago's for 20 months, and who supports a fringe political group in Alaska.

Did McCain vet the woman at all?

Well, at least she can shoot a moose.

McCain checked her out all right.

Watch how many times he checks out her figure...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RN5xbWtNSU

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"Well, at least she can shoot a moose."

Maybe she could go hunting with Cheney.....?

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Huffington Post says that the McCain campaign didn't even ask to see the archives of the local Wasilla paper.

Had he done that, he would have learned that there was an attempt to recall her for firing the Police Chief and Library Director for allegedly not supporting her in her 1996 campaign.

You are telling me that McCain didn't see ANY red flags here?  Clearly poor judgment on his part.

I think she is lying about the firing. Fast talking prevaricator. She called over 15 times to have her ex brother-in-law terminated. The chief resisted apparently and he was fired. Now its because he wasn't "productive"? Yeah, right. That stuff may pass in corporate ranks but not civil service. "At will" sure but you still have to defend yourself better than that.

Agree, this is about poor judgement by MC and poor vetting by his staff.

How do you put someone this close to the presidency who believes in teaching creationism in public schools.[B)] Is that the new direction she's taking the party? Same as the old direction.

Ha ha ha! Whine on!!  Palin rocks!

Obama gave ya'll BIDEN!! HA HA AH! We got Supermom!  And a hunky husband, too!  This is like the Christmas and your brother gets socks -but you get a ray gun!  Only, here the Right just got a ray gun - and you got Geezer McPlugs!!!

And what about that husband and son - not even Republicans? Huh.  So she briefly joined Another Party before regaining her sense and going GOP? Big tent. She sure does not fit the mold - not like Ol' Mouldy and Mr. 142 days.

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Originally posted by pmcalk

In the video where she actually asks what it is that the VP does (if she is ready to be president day one, shouldn't she at least know what the VP does?), did you notice her comment regarding what's in it for Alaska?  Not how could she serve her country, but what advantage would this give to her state.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oro2Yh9HoEM

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Isn't actively advocating secession from the United States treasonous? The Southerners who did so during the Civil War certainly were called that.

So much for "Country First."

Call her Sarah "Free Fallin'" Palin.

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Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Ha ha ha! Whine on!!  Palin rocks!

Obama gave ya'll BIDEN!! HA HA AH! We got Supermom!  And a hunky husband, too!  This is like the Christmas and your brother gets socks -but you get a ray gun!  Only, here the Right just got a ray gun - and you got Geezer McPlugs!!!

And what about that husband and son - not even Republicans? Huh.  So she briefly joined Another Party before regaining her sense and going GOP? Big tent. She sure does not fit the mold - not like Ol' Mouldy and Mr. 142 days.

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Really?  That's what you've got?  Your candidate for Vice President didn't even want to be an American at one point in her life and your response is her husband is cute?

I'll take the raygun; Santa left you a box of wet dynamite.  Enjoy.

HUGE tent.  McCain could have gone from as left as Lieberman or centrist as Romney.

Happy to see that wet dynamite, Chicken Litter!  Better that than an old moldy turd like Mister Plugs!

Palin also supports Nazi sympathizers:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/09/02/you-are-pathetic-human-being-you-should-be-ashamed-yourself


I see the left is still collectively crapping their pants.

And I hope she 'takes out' that dirt bag ex-brother-in-law.  SNAP SNAP catch his @$$ in a bear trap.

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Originally posted by tim huntzinger

HUGE tent.  McCain could have gone from as left as Lieberman or centrist as Romney.

Happy to see that wet dynamite, Chicken Litter!  Better that than an old moldy turd like Mister Plugs!

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Heh, heh. Left Lieberman. Centrist Romney. Maybe in Tulsa Land. You're full of funny stuff today.

I was hopeful that McCain's nomination meant the Republicans were moving back to towards the center.  But this VP selection tells us the Republicans are still following the agenda of the radical religious right.

How can you go from not wanting to be an American to wanting to be the U.S. Vice President?

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Originally posted by RecycleMichael

How can you go from not wanting to be an American to wanting to be the U.S. Vice President?

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I go back to the video--she only wants the VP position if there is something in it for Alaskans.

Tell me how that's putting country first?

Seen in Tulsa:
(http://blog.scottmgrizzle.com/uploaded_images/photo-792059-792188.jpg)

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Originally posted by RecycleMichael

How can you go from not wanting to be an American to wanting to be the U.S. Vice President?

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It's not that far-out.  We've got a prospective first lady who is just now proud to be an American for the first time in her life.

Obama has hung out with people who bombed American institutions, so it's really not all that far-out, just mis-guided youth, that's all.  [:o)]

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Originally posted by RecycleMichael

How can you go from not wanting to be an American to wanting to be the U.S. Vice President?

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Obama has hung out with people who bombed American institutions, so it's really not all that far-out, just mis-guided youth, that's all.  [:o)]

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That's a really lame comparison.

It's a far, far cry from meeting someone who was an anarchist decades ago to actually being an active member of a fringe group that wants to separate from the United States.

Again, this entire mess proves that the McCain camp didn't vet this candidate hardly at all. And the NYT had a report that says the same thing. The paper has a slew of politicians in Alaska saying, "They never called me about her."

That's why this is so disappointing about McCain. He made a rash decision on the veep pick. ABC News talked to people in the McCain camp who said that McCain wanted to "shake up the campaign" with his veep pick. No mention on the pick being a qualified and well-vetted successor if McCain kicked the bucket.

Palin may work out in the end for him. But she's sure not working out for him now. Comparisons to Eagleton and Quayle are coming to mind.

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Originally posted by RecycleMichael

How can you go from not wanting to be an American to wanting to be the U.S. Vice President?

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Obama has hung out with people who bombed American institutions, so it's really not all that far-out, just mis-guided youth, that's all.  [:o)]

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That's a really lame comparison.

It's a far, far cry from meeting someone who was an anarchist decades ago to actually being an active member of a fringe group that wants to separate from the United States.

Again, this entire mess proves that the McCain camp didn't vet this candidate hardly at all. And the NYT had a report that says the same thing. The paper has a slew of politicians in Alaska saying, "They never called me about her."

That's why this is so disappointing about McCain. He made a rash decision on the veep pick. ABC News talked to people in the McCain camp who said that McCain wanted to "shake up the campaign" with his veep pick. No mention on the pick being a qualified and well-vetted successor if McCain kicked the bucket.

Palin may work out in the end for him. But she's sure not working out for him now. Comparisons to Eagleton and Quayle are coming to mind.

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Every single person who could have been considered for the Dim or Repug VP is going to have fleas and warts.  When brought out, should McCain open the introduction by reading off:

-Her daughter is preganant
-Her fifth child is rumored by the blogosphere as being her grandson
-Her husband had a DUI 20 years ago
-She once was a member of the secessionist party
-She once made love to a space alien while on a moose hunting trip

No indications she was not fully-vetted.  I'm getting a huge laugh out of it when people think either major party candidate for President wouldn't have gone through every last minutae.  Simply laughable.

The only reason people think she wasn't fully-vetted is because hardly anyone knew her until last Friday.  We've all known what a steaming pile of dung Biden is for at least 20 or so years since he first ran for President, so yes, in comparison she would not seem as well-vetted.

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Originally posted by pmcalk

In the video where she actually asks what it is that the VP does (if she is ready to be president day one, shouldn't she at least know what the VP does?), did you notice her comment regarding what's in it for Alaska?  Not how could she serve her country, but what advantage would this give to her state.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oro2Yh9HoEM

So McCain has chosen a woman who is radically anti-choice, who believes in teaching creationism in schools, whose husband has a DUI, who is currently under investigation in her state, who was before the bridge to nowhere before she was against it, whose experience consists of being the governor of a state with a population less than 1/3 the size of Chicago's for 20 months, and who supports a fringe political group in Alaska.

Did McCain vet the woman at all?

Well, at least she can shoot a moose.

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First, what does Palin's husband's DUI from nearly 20 years ago have to do with her qualifications to by VP? Is that more significant than the person running for President's illicit drug use that occurred in roughly the same time period?

http://www.mapinc.org/newsnorml/v03/n1786/a06.html

As for Palin's "radical" abortion views, I will gladly live with those when compared to Obama's rejection of Illinois' Born Alive Act (which Obama has lied about).
As for Palin's questionable affiliations, do you really want to "go there" in light of Rev. "G-d Damn America" Wright, William "Blow up the Pentagon" Ayers' deep connections to Obama, and convicted felon Tony "home loan" Rezko?
As for flip flops, I guess you forgot about Obama's prior stance on accepting public finance and his FISA-bill filibuter, just to name a few.

Finally, on "troopergate", have you followed this "scandal" at all? Here is a link that summarizes just some of the facts--without of course pointing out that the trooper tased a child:

http://www.webloggin.com/as-expceted-blogger-beats-mainstream-media-to-truth-about-palins-trooper-investigation/


This sort of attack against Palin will only serve to highlight Obama's issues as well. Keep it up.

Truth is anathema to you G. At least the whole truth. The info about the trooper is left out because his son asked him to taser him so he could see what it felt like. At 16 I would have too.

Great smear stuff you posted. Can't wait for the Assemblies of God stuff, the Palin modelling pics and of course the Obama religious stuff.

Onward, thru the fog.

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Originally posted by Conan71

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The only reason people think she wasn't fully-vetted is because hardly anyone knew her until last Friday.  We've all known what a steaming pile of dung Biden is for at least 20 or so years since he first ran for President, so yes, in comparison she would not seem as well-vetted.

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You're missing the point.

McCain has been harping on forever about his experience during this campaign.

Yet he picks a veep who's horribly inexperienced compared to him.

Doesn't that undercut his own strength?

And it's still apparent Palin wasn't vetted. Do you think that McCain wanted all this bad publicity for his campaign?

Or even if he knew about this stuff (of which a Google search would have found rather easily) that somehow he would have plowed through it without a problem? If he thought that, that calls his judgment into question, too.

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Originally posted by guido911
[brFirst, what does Palin's husband's DUI from nearly 20 years ago have to do with her qualifications to by VP? Is that more significant than the person running for President's illicit drug use that occurred in roughly the same time period?

http://www.mapinc.org/newsnorml/v03/n1786/a06.html

As for Palin's "radical" abortion views, I will gladly live with those when compared to Obama's rejection of Illinois' Born Alive Act (which Obama has lied about).
As for Palin's questionable affiliations, do you really want to "go there" in light of Rev. "G-d Damn America" Wright, William "Blow up the Pentagon" Ayers' deep connections to Obama, and convicted felon Tony "home loan" Rezko?
As for flip flops, I guess you forgot about Obama's prior stance on accepting public finance and his FISA-bill filibuter, just to name a few.

Finally, on "troopergate", have you followed this "scandal" at all? Here is a link that summarizes just some of the facts--without of course pointing out that the trooper tased a child:

http://www.webloggin.com/as-expceted-blogger-beats-mainstream-media-to-truth-about-palins-trooper-investigation/


This sort of attack against Palin will only serve to highlight Obama's issues as well. Keep it up.

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Keep it up?  Okay. The topic of this thread is Palin was a Secessionist.  Any thoughts on someone who didn't even want to be an American on your ticket?

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Originally posted by rwarn17588

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Originally posted by Conan71

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Originally posted by RecycleMichael

How can you go from not wanting to be an American to wanting to be the U.S. Vice President?

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Obama has hung out with people who bombed American institutions, so it's really not all that far-out, just mis-guided youth, that's all.  [:o)]

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That's a really lame comparison.

It's a far, far cry from meeting someone who was an anarchist decades ago to actually being an active member of a fringe group that wants to separate from the United States.

Again, this entire mess proves that the McCain camp didn't vet this candidate hardly at all. And the NYT had a report that says the same thing. The paper has a slew of politicians in Alaska saying, "They never called me about her."

That's why this is so disappointing about McCain. He made a rash decision on the veep pick. ABC News talked to people in the McCain camp who said that McCain wanted to "shake up the campaign" with his veep pick. No mention on the pick being a qualified and well-vetted successor if McCain kicked the bucket.

Palin may work out in the end for him. But she's sure not working out for him now. Comparisons to Eagleton and Quayle are coming to mind.

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No indications she was not fully-vetted.  I'm getting a huge laugh out of it when people think either major party candidate for President wouldn't have gone through every last minutae.  Simply laughable.

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From the New York Times, yesterday:  (http://"http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin")

 

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Aides to Mr. McCain said they had a team on the ground in Alaska now to look more thoroughly into Ms. Palin’s background. A Republican with ties to the campaign said the team assigned to vet Ms. Palin in Alaska had not arrived there until Thursday, a day before Mr. McCain stunned the political world with his vice-presidential choice. The campaign was still calling Republican operatives as late as Sunday night asking them to go to Alaska to deal with the unexpected candidacy of Ms. Palin.

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Originally posted by Conan71

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The only reason people think she wasn't fully-vetted is because hardly anyone knew her until last Friday.  We've all known what a steaming pile of dung Biden is for at least 20 or so years since he first ran for President, so yes, in comparison she would not seem as well-vetted.

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You're missing the point.

McCain has been harping on forever about his experience during this campaign.

Yet he picks a veep who's horribly inexperienced compared to him.
Doesn't that undercut his own strength?

And it's still apparent Palin wasn't vetted. Do you think that McCain wanted all this bad publicity for his campaign?

Or even if he knew about this stuff (of which a Google search would have found rather easily) that somehow he would have plowed through it without a problem? If he thought that, that calls his judgment into question, too.

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20 yard penalty for moving the goal post. [;)]

Title of the thread is "Palin was a Secessionist"  Point of that, I do believe was trying to point out that Palin was not fully vetted (anyone else sick of the buzzword of this election yet?  Vet, Vetted, Vetting- totally vexing!) by the McCain camp.  

Again, there's going to be a ****-storm with any virtual unknown.  You get fall-out for a few days, then by the end of the convention, people will have a better feel for her.

McCain is far more clever than a lot of people have given him credit for.  This time last year as everyone waited for Fred to announce, McCain's campaign was considered dead.

Don't underestimate McCain.

The Dims are still pissed McCain stole their DNC afterglow last Friday.

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The only reason people think she wasn't fully-vetted is because hardly anyone knew her until last Friday.  We've all known what a steaming pile of dung Biden is for at least 20 or so years since he first ran for President, so yes, in comparison she would not seem as well-vetted.

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You're missing the point.

McCain has been harping on forever about his experience during this campaign.

Yet he picks a veep who's horribly inexperienced compared to him.
Doesn't that undercut his own strength?

And it's still apparent Palin wasn't vetted. Do you think that McCain wanted all this bad publicity for his campaign?

Or even if he knew about this stuff (of which a Google search would have found rather easily) that somehow he would have plowed through it without a problem? If he thought that, that calls his judgment into question, too.

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20 yard penalty for moving the goal post. [;)]

Title of the thread is "Palin was a Secessionist"  Point of that, I do believe was trying to point out that Palin was not fully vetted (anyone else sick of the buzzword of this election yet?  Vet, Vetted, Vetting- totally vexing!) by the McCain camp.  

Again, there's going to be a ****-storm with any virtual unknown.  You get fall-out for a few days, then by the end of the convention, people will have a better feel for her.

McCain is far more clever than a lot of people have given him credit for.  This time last year as everyone waited for Fred to announce, McCain's campaign was considered dead.

Don't underestimate McCain.

The Dims are still pissed McCain stole their DNC afterglow last Friday.

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They are?

They're just sitting back, watching the train wreck unfold. It's more entertainment than anything. Watching the conservative commentators here unleash a series of cusswords tells me they're the ones that are scared, not the Democrats.

I'm not underestimating McCain. But you can't honestly believe that he wanted this, do you? Or that the "experience and judgment" thing has as much credence now, do you?

Candidates don't spend hundreds of millions of dollars for the most coveted seat of power in the world to have an "Oh ****!" moment with their VP candidate.

You are a bright guy.  I can't believe you, of all people, would buy into this "McCain didn't know" crap.

He knew full-well what skeletons were rattling around.  There's a lot of innuendo being pumped right now and a lot of people drawing conclusions and posting them on various sites around the internets.  People like Chicken Little, who care more about spreading hyperbole than fact, (from deeper in his ABC "story"):

"But Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

This, it should be noted, does not square with official records.

Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, tells ABC News that regardless of the impression given to members of the Alaskan Independence Party, "Gov. Sarah Palin first registered to vote in the state in May 1982 as a Republican, and she has not changed her party affiliate with the Division of Elections since that time."

Clark, for whatever reason, thought that in 1994 Palin was a kindred spirit.

"We are a state's rights party," says Clark, a self-employed goldminer. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

She says it's not accurate to describe the party as secessionist -- they just want a vote, she says, adding that the members of the AIP hold different opinions on what Alaska should be."

Comments like this tell me Obama's campaign is scared, how else do you account for the dissimenation of unsubstantiated misinformation like this:

"Obama advisers and surrogates have also linked Palin to conservative former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan. An Associated Press story from Alaska, dated July 17, 1999, states that Palin, then the mayor of the small town of Wasilla, was wearing a Buchanan button during a Buchanan visit to Alaska.

The Miami Herald this week quoted an e-mail from Obama Florida spokesman Mark Bubriski that stated: "Palin was a supporter of Pat Buchanan, a right-winger or as many Jews call him: a Nazi sympathizer."

The McCain campaign says Palin supported Steve Forbes' campaign in 1999."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_politics

The Dims have gone ugly early.  That's unfortunate.

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Originally posted by Conan71

Candidates don't spend hundreds of millions of dollars for the most coveted seat of power in the world to have an "Oh ****!" moment with their VP candidate.

You are a bright guy.  I can't believe you, of all people, would buy into this "McCain didn't know" crap.

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The Dims have gone ugly early.  That's unfortunate.

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I'm buying into it because it's obvious the McCain camp wasn't prepared. It's a train wreck.

The McCain camp is sending lawyers into Alaska to investigate things *after* she was chosen. Isn't that closing the barn door after the cows have already gotten loose?

It's not just Democrats who've criticized this pick. You're also having conservatives like Ponnuru, David Frum and Andrew Sullivan who think the choice is highly questionable and unserious, and have used logic and facts (and not emotion) to make those arguments.

Face it: McCain made this reckless and impulsive pick because he was desperate. Frankly, I don't want a commander-in-chief making such ill-informed decisions. Lord knows we've had enough of that.

(BTW, the name-calling doesn't help your argument. That's third-grade stuff.)

Andrew Sullivan has been nowhere close to being a conservative for the last six years or so.  I don't even think the guy is a U.S. citizen, is he?

My understanding is the "crew" has descended on Alaska to deal with the additional media inquiries and general circus.  That's the way it's spun by the GOP.  The DNC is spinning it as a "clean-up" crew.  The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

We all know Biden is a dude bag, no one knew Palin, so they are working overtime to dude her up.

McCain is too crafty, he's not the dolt you think he is.

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Andrew Sullivan has been nowhere close to being a conservative for the last six years or so.  I don't even think the guy is a U.S. citizen, is he?

My understanding is the "crew" has descended on Alaska to deal with the additional media inquiries and general circus.  That's the way it's spun by the GOP.  The DNC is spinning it as a "clean-up" crew.  The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

We all know Biden is a dude bag, no one knew Palin, so they are working overtime to dude her up.

McCain is too crafty, he's not the dolt you think he is.

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My understanding is that a crew from McCain's campaign organization is in Alaska to coordinate with Governor Palin's existing staff.

There are a million things to coordinate, including campaign message and theme, travel and appearance itineraries, meals, lodging, school, baby-sitters, laundry, etc.

Make that 2 million things.

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My understanding is that a crew from McCain's campaign organization is in Alaska to coordinate with Governor Palin's existing staff.

There are a million things to coordinate, including campaign message and theme, travel and appearance itineraries, meals, lodging, school, baby-sitters, laundry, etc.

Make that 2 million things.

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Do any of those zillion things include asking the nominee why she wanted to secede from the United States?  'Cause that seems like it might be of consequence.

It's been confirmed. Palin wasn't vetted until Wednesday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090203462.html?hpid=topnews

Sheesh. Anyone who thinks any candidate can be vetted in that short of a time frame is nuts.

And McCain is a guy we should take seriously in how he haphazardly chooses a person who's one heartbeat away from the presidency?

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Originally posted by Conan71

Andrew Sullivan has been nowhere close to being a conservative for the last six years or so.  I don't even think the guy is a U.S. citizen, is he?

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Considering he recently wrote a book called "The Conservative Soul," about how conservativism can be revived in this country. He's long been a fan of Ronald Reagan. He also was an editor for the National Review.

So, yeah, he's a conservative.

No, he's not a citizen. But he's lived in the U.S. for a quarter-century.

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It's been confirmed. Palin wasn't vetted until Wednesday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090203462.html?hpid=topnews

Sheesh. Anyone who thinks any candidate can be vetted in that short of a time frame is nuts.

And McCain is a guy we should take seriously in how he haphazardly chooses a person who's one heartbeat away from the presidency?

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B.S.  The article says she wasn't "interviewed" by Culvahouse until Weds.  This was AFTER much of the "vetting" process had taken place.

"The new details of the selection process provide a fuller picture of how and when McCain made his decision. Despite the late interview of the little-known Palin, senior McCain advisers said Tuesday night that she was chosen only after a lengthy and deliberative process that included the same background investigation given to others on McCain's shortlist and considerable debate among the candidate's inner circle about all his choices."

IOW- she was well-known to the campaign prior to last Weds.  This is classic WaPo spin.

I always love it when journalists quote "sources close to the campaign".

Sometimes your reading comprehension (or lack thereof) stuns me.

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Andrew Sullivan has been nowhere close to being a conservative for the last six years or so.  I don't even think the guy is a U.S. citizen, is he?

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Considering he recently wrote a book called "The Conservative Soul," about how conservativism can be revived in this country. He's long been a fan of Ronald Reagan. He also was an editor for the National Review.

So, yeah, he's a conservative.

No, he's not a citizen. But he's lived in the U.S. for a quarter-century.

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His idea of conservatism is greatly at odds with "mainstream" conservatism.  Then again, so is mine on social issues.  He claims to be more Libertarian, I'd say his Libertarianism is to the left of my own.

The guy is a walking contradiction if you've read bios of him.  He's not stood shoulder-to-shoulder with conservatives ever.  The only thing even remotely idenifiable is that he supported Bush in 2000.

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Andrew Sullivan has been nowhere close to being a conservative for the last six years or so.  I don't even think the guy is a U.S. citizen, is he?

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Considering he recently wrote a book called "The Conservative Soul," about how conservativism can be revived in this country. He's long been a fan of Ronald Reagan. He also was an editor for the National Review.

So, yeah, he's a conservative.

No, he's not a citizen. But he's lived in the U.S. for a quarter-century.

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His idea of conservatism is greatly at odds with "mainstream" conservatism.  Then again, so is mine on social issues.  He claims to be more Libertarian, I'd say his Libertarianism is to the left of my own.

The guy is a walking contradiction if you've read bios of him.  He's not stood shoulder-to-shoulder with conservatives ever.  The only thing even remotely idenifiable is that he supported Bush in 2000.

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You're saying that he's not a "mainstream" conservative, like that's a bad thing.

And when you're a big dog at the National Review, yeah, you're dealing with a lot of fellow conservatives on your own staff. He's a classic Thatcher-Reagan conservative.

Listen, there's a lot of former Republicans (including me) who are greatly dismayed with how the current GOP has devolved. So I don't find Sullivan's stances out of line of what a 1980s conservative would have been. It's just that the modern-day GOP has moved in a more corrupt and insidious direction.

Everyone under 35 will be a secessionist if the election gets hijacked again.