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Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 06:41:29 am (http://www.drudgereport.com/mpb.jpg)
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 29, 2008, 06:44:19 am quote: Who? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 06:49:34 am http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
Brilliant choice! Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 06:56:55 am http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/851orcjq.asp
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: pmcalk on August 29, 2008, 07:35:53 am Interesting choice. It's going to make it difficult to attack Obama for lack of experience, though.
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: sgrizzle on August 29, 2008, 07:45:38 am Palin is definitely better than Ridge.
Picking Ridge would be saying "the security angle is the only thing I got going for me" Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: RecycleMichael on August 29, 2008, 07:49:47 am She was runner-up in the Miss Alaska beauty pageant when she was 20.
She is tough...goes on moose hunts and went back to work only three days after having a baby earlier this year. Not bad. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 07:53:11 am quote: McCain hasn't been attacking him for lack of experience, he's been attacking him for poor decision making. It was the Clintons that pushed the "lack of experience" agenda. McCain has been touting his own experience in the face of comments that BO has made. I don't see this changing, it is a huge advantage, and quite different than making inflammatory comments about Obama's experience like Bill and Hillary have done. All McCain has to do is just play one of their attack ads and put "I'm John McCain and I approve of this message" at the end of it. From what I understand, in the upcoming months there are several new ads comming featuring both Bill and Hillary's commentary over the past year. Mr. McCain doesn't have to make the attack, the script has allready been written. Besides, McCain is old enough to be experienced for both of them. [;)] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: we vs us on August 29, 2008, 07:56:12 am Upside: first woman on the Republican ticket; younger than McCain; possibly representative of a new breed of Republican.
Downside: no national name recognition; not the best public speaker (in the couple of soundbites I've seen, anyway); reportedly quite conservative, hence not a bridge-builder. Still, it's a bit of a left-field shot from McCain, which is good for his campaign at this point. Anything that can add a wobble to the news cycle right now is a bonus. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 29, 2008, 08:06:25 am McCain loads the 12 guage. Takes careful aim. And blows off both feet.
Sure, I want a woman moments away from leadership of the most powerful country in the world who is barely known outside of a state that re-elects a corrupt congressman even when he bold face steals from the government. McCain's choice was much more important than Obama's because of the age/senility issues. It may have been a politically savvy choice considering the boobs that were available (no pun intended) but I would point out that you guys are marketing and political insiders. The general public doesn't know squat about her or Alaska. His judgement is cloudy. Gas, you seem to think that remarks made during a contentious primary actually hold long term meaning. Voodoo Politics. Like this election occurs in a vacuum. Remarks by former republican contenders are also on tape and ready for use. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: RecycleMichael on August 29, 2008, 08:13:13 am OK, she named her kids...Bristol, Piper, Track, Willow and get this, named her newborn Trig Paxson Van Palin.
Track? Van Palin? How can we trust her with our fuure when she does that to her kids? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 29, 2008, 08:13:20 am quote: The sexism in this thread is nauseating. She has not even been positively named yet and you are ripping on her. So what is it? You worried because she might have hot flashes? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 08:22:46 am quote: I think they are pretty cool names. Certainly better than the over 10,000,000 babies named "Jackson" in the last couple of years. Why is everyone picking on her? She's strong, successful and very family oriented. Some people are so sexist. I hope no one makes any racist comments just because she's in a mixed marriage. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Palin1.JPG/225px-Palin1.JPG) Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: pmcalk on August 29, 2008, 08:24:19 am quote: To be fair, when I saw Biden's son introduced, my first thought was, Beau Biden.... banana-fana fo fiden, fee fi mo miden... Biden. So, my husband just thought I was crazy, but then John Stewart started singing the same thing. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: CoffeeBean on August 29, 2008, 08:31:45 am quote: Like voting against the war in Iraq? Can you give me a specific example that supports the charge? Here's one: McCain-Palin. Besides a gimmick pick to siphon off Hillary discontents, what does Palin bring to the table? Temperament? There's no name recognition, she's not tested nationally, she's not from a swing state (but one that decriminalized marijuana?!), she's not a dynamic speaker, she carries no issue, she's anti-choice and works against gays and lesbians. The Biden-Palin debate will be interesting. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: we vs us on August 29, 2008, 08:35:16 am quote: She's like the Republican version of Tina Fey. Rawr. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: we vs us on August 29, 2008, 08:38:05 am quote: Seriously. What's up with the alarmingly shallow Republican bench this season? Is everyone in hiding? Or did everyone defect to Ron Paul's campaign? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 29, 2008, 08:40:04 am quote: You just exposed yourself Guido. Would you rather I not defined her as a woman? That was the only possible sexist remark I made. You on the other hand threw in "hot flashes". Curious. She was just confirmed as his VP. Lightweight stuff. Maybe she'll draw off the Hillary malcontents who were voting McCain anyway. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: USRufnex on August 29, 2008, 08:40:46 am McCain Palin??? Wow.
"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!" (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200711/r199563_762824.jpg) IMO, it's a better pick than Dan Quayle or Spiro Agnew.... oh, wait... [:I] Hmmm. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: tim huntzinger on August 29, 2008, 08:57:41 am Awesome choice! This is going to be fun!
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 29, 2008, 09:04:56 am 1.5 years of experience as a Governor. Previously a mayor of a small town.
"Yes, but she'll energize the right!" Its all about winning for these guys. The repubs don't care about experience. To them presidents are figureheads that execute their orders. This is a gamble with our country. She is not qualified in any way to be a president and a VP has to have the ability to step in. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 29, 2008, 09:05:35 am quote: I exposed MYSELF? Here is what the dems are saying about the ticket: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6808149 Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 09:10:20 am Interesting. . .
She's a: Avid hunter Fisherperson Marathon runner Plays hockey Major Soccer Fan Big fitness freak Proponent of Green energy Should be a big help to McCain, against a heavy smoker and an old crusty senator. This is Change we can believe in! Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: NellieBly on August 29, 2008, 09:12:14 am No, here's what the Dems are saying:
"Let's be honest: John McCain clearly wanted Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman, but he was afraid to buck his party's choice ideologues. So then they looked at Mittens, but having a baker's dozen homes wasn't looking so hot. So he figured that with Pawlenty, he might make a play for Minnesota, but that got shot down over the last week as it become increasingly obvious that Biden would wipe the floor with him in their debate. Throw in Obama's ground-shifting speech last night, and it was clear that McCain had to throw a hail mary to just remain in the game, much less be competitive. So we get Sarah Palin, who has a fairly compelling personal story and is an attractive woman, but has scant political experience, zero name recognition outside of political junky circles, faces an ethical investigation by her own legislature, and will now be forced to run a grueling national campaign despite having an infant child at home. Those are the marks of desperation, and really, given his precarious electoral position, John McCain had no choice. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: pmcalk on August 29, 2008, 09:18:32 am quote: That's always the first questions I ask when deciding whom to vote for. Who cares what your positions are on the economy, energy, national defense, women's issues, education, etc...., what I really want to know is if you have ever shot a moose. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 09:22:12 am quote: I saw that. Hilarious. I also noticed that they are jumping on this concept that Bush is manipulating the war in Georgia for the election, and using cloud seeding techniques to steer tropical storm Gustov towards Louisiana so that he can avoid making an appearance at the convention. The PUMA group is supposed to make a statement later today. I bet they endorse McCain after this. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: kylieosu on August 29, 2008, 09:22:33 am quote: Touche'. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 09:22:50 am quote: Yeah me too! [;)] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 29, 2008, 09:25:14 am quote: What the hell are you talking about, experience? Tell me about Obama's long legislative or executive background. This guy started running for predident shortly after he got elected to the Senate. And, remind me, what are Obama's qualifications to be president? I hope the dems make this the issue to the voters. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 29, 2008, 09:26:35 am quote: Didn't even read the link. You chose my post to refer to as sexist. I couldn't care less what people on an underground link are blathering. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: grahambino on August 29, 2008, 09:27:01 am quote: you cannot be serious.... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 29, 2008, 09:33:32 am quote: Longer than the 1 1/2 years a governor under investigation in a corrupt state has. And about 2 years experience meeting, understanding, and talking to the American people. All of them not just his base. His lack of Senatorial experience is a plus. His managing of a campaign from obscurity to Mile High stadium against more experienced career politicians shows his skills. He picks the right people and thats what managing is about. Qualifications? Read or view the speech. Then compare and contrast to a fighter jockey who graduated in the bottom 5 of the academy but still got to fly sophisticated jets (thanks Dad), lost three of them and has run on his POW status ever since. Other than that, what are his qualifications? You lose on this one G. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 29, 2008, 09:37:38 am quote: I think he is. Its getting harder and harder for him to pretend to be independent/libertarian. This is real stuff Gas. No independents or libertarians are in this race. Standing on the sidelines sniping and laughing at both candidates puts you in the same league as those who disdain our system altoghether. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: pmcalk on August 29, 2008, 09:44:34 am quote: Really? What about this: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/08/mccain-cites-obamas-inexperience-lack-of-judgment/ http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/jul/22/mccain-stresses-obamas-inexperience/ http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/05/mccain_smacks_o.html http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/05/09/video-mccain-on-oreilly-slams-obama-inexperience/ Yes, McCain often couples his claims of inexperience with lack of judgement, but he definitely has tried to label Obama as "inexperienced." And his accusations of inexperience are mainly in the area of foreign affairs. So he picks the governor of Alaska--who has absolutely no experience with international matters. I can't imagine how she will be able to debate Biden on foreign affairs. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Conan71 on August 29, 2008, 09:56:28 am quote: She sounds just like a "Northern Exposure" character. I loved Maggie "the bush pilot" Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 09:59:34 am quote: It will be fun to watch won't it. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Conan71 on August 29, 2008, 09:59:56 am quote: Actually, those names make her sound like a greenie, granola-eating librul. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: rwarn17588 on August 29, 2008, 10:00:29 am Quite a few in the GOP won't like this: She vetoed a bill that would have banned benefits to same-sex couples.
http://dwb.adn.com/news/government/legislature/story/8525563p-8419318c.html At least the Log Cabin Republicans will like her. Not so sure about the Christianists, though. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Conan71 on August 29, 2008, 10:02:39 am quote: Sheesh, you complain about Oklahoma electing a corruption-buster like Coburn and then associate the governor of Alaska with some corrupt Senator? You're grasping this morning Waterboy, it's not like you. She's got merit, and she's a true outsider, unlike McCain, Obama, and Biden. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Conan71 on August 29, 2008, 10:07:04 am quote: Wow, and the Democrats just picked a guy with three years in the U.S. Senate (with a muddled voting record) to LEAD their ticket???? Your arguments this morning are becoming more ludicrus by the minute. I'll still have a beer with you anytime, but you just keep jamming your foot in your mouth trying to knock down the GOP ticket. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Conan71 on August 29, 2008, 10:08:03 am quote: The Democrats took all the empty suits this season. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Conan71 on August 29, 2008, 10:13:27 am quote: (http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff302/slypuck2/obama_koolaid.gif) Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 29, 2008, 10:16:25 am quote: The dems are crapping all over themselves right now and I am laughing my rear off over it. And incidentally, what "investigation" are you referring to? Oh, the one involving the purported sought after termination of a law enforcement officer that tasered a child for kicks. That investigation? Oh, and who started this investigation? It would not be someone with a political axe to grind. In any case, it is not as if anyone in this race kicked off their politcal campaign at the home of a person who bombed government buildings. Jeez, know your facts. As for qualifications, other than employing 300 foreign policy advisers and reading teleprompted scripts, I would appreciate you to point out one legislative accomplishment that Obama developed and shepherded through Congress. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 29, 2008, 10:22:34 am quote: Once again, though, I say "who?" to his choice. She doesn't have the name recognition that Biden does. Biden's going to eat her lunch on the debate circuit...she's not a very eloquent speaker. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 29, 2008, 10:23:54 am I think the responses we're seeing from democrats right now reflect the fear that this pick has generated within the democratic party.
At least we put the person with limited experience on the bottom half of the ticket instead of the top... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 29, 2008, 10:27:43 am One more thing. During the messiah's address last night he said he was now ready to debate McCain. Do you think he's finally going to have the balls to accept McCain's challege and have a few unscripted town hall meetings?
My guess is no... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Conan71 on August 29, 2008, 10:34:11 am quote: "Change" would indicate something or someone we don't know, yes? Everyone is sick of D.C. insiders, this must be a brilliant stroke, otherwise Dems wouldn't be crapping all over themselves this morning in their haste to spear her. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 29, 2008, 10:34:29 am Iplaw returns with the laughable republican veep choice ..... she was a mayor and got to be governor as a basic appointment due to the two oligarch families in Alaska being caught in scandals.
Big day for Obama. He's been rope a doping McBush for a month, comes out last night with a KO and then has this Kay Bailey Hutchinson wanna be dumped in his lap. McCain picks Female Alaska governor as running mate in attempt to pick up the Pro-Life/NRA/PUMA/Pro-Anwar Drilling Vote. Hmmm, that's some crossover vote. Bet she has a wealth of foreign policy experience. Landslide coming.[}:)][:P] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 29, 2008, 10:40:09 am quote:No doubt true. The Olbergasm/Obamagasm officially ended when Palin was chosen this morning. This pick without a doubt pissed off Hillary. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 29, 2008, 10:41:15 am quote: Town Hall debates are for those unintelligent voters who don't read. Let's see a real live debate. Historical debates. Debates that will deliver a clear picture of the more qualified candidate. Can we do an alzheimer's test too? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: rwarn17588 on August 29, 2008, 10:42:02 am quote: Good to see that iplaw's acid tongue is back. I was wonderin' where you were hiding. [;)] Having some time to digest the pick, I'm thinking it's a wash. It may be a play to pick up the Hillary voters, but she's anti-abortion, so that'll blunt that a ton. She has absolutely no record on foreign policy. She puts McCain's age in even starker relief. For every plus, there's a minus. She's a bold pick, but not a particularly strong one. But we'll see what she's made of on the campaign trail. That's where we'll really find out, right? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 29, 2008, 10:43:49 am quote:Damned work and babies stealing my Internets time! Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: grahambino on August 29, 2008, 10:45:00 am quote: You're not the only one. Incidentally...[:D][}:)] I'd like to know who among this little cabal knew who she was yesterday... Bueller? Bueller? oh wait. a simple search shows us: http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=404palinnotfound2gr5.jpg so, this is some amazing pick! Not even on anyone's radar. Strike 1. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 29, 2008, 10:48:57 am How exactly is choosing someone unkown a strike? The Messiah and his party have been trying to cast themselves as champions of the common man. Why not pick someone not tied to DC?
The first statment out from Messiah's campaign belittles her for coming from a small town. Good strategy! Nice way to step in it from the get-go. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: USRufnex on August 29, 2008, 11:03:55 am Sorry, but McCain just pulled a Walter Mondale and chose a woman....
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-mccains-next-trophy-girl/ ...simply because she's a woman... what was this first term governor doing two years ago...??? Mayor of Wassila, Alaska-- a suburb of Anchorage... population: 8,741. Gee, too bad Istook isn't a woman... he coulda got the job. [}:)] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 29, 2008, 11:05:35 am One McCain-Palin campaign contribution coming up...
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: grahambino on August 29, 2008, 11:07:02 am quote: I can assure you it's not the home run that some are claiming is to be. I think that search result and screen shot speak louder than anything I could say. If any of you knew who she was before today, you certainly did a good job keeping it secret. If any of you knew what her positions are (other than hunting and fishing, of course, which are of course, requisites for a VP), you certainly did a good job of keeping it secret. and this decision is strike 1 for the McCain campaign. Strike 2 will be the debates and strike 3, well. That will be in November. Absolutely a 'oh sh*t' choice by McCain's campaign. I can't help but think of this: JUNIOR: Well people like that reform. Maybe we should get us some. PAPPY: I'll reform you, you soft-headed sonofa*****! How we gonna run reform when we're the damn incumbent! Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 11:08:32 am Went home for a quick sandwich and watched her speech with my daughter.
Ava (my little girl) asked me who the lady was, and I said that she may someday be our president. Ava said "she's a mommy, can mommy's be president?" I said "yes they can." Ava said "someday I will be president, or a princess." Brought a tear to my eye. (the president part, she has always wanted to be a princess) Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 29, 2008, 11:09:30 am Again, I don't think it's a smart argument coming from the party of the "common man" to deride someone who served in a small town. Incidentally, McCain didn't nominate the mayor of Wassila, he nominated the governor of Alaska, but don't let the facts get in the way.
Anyways, I'd much rather tell people I was the mayor of a small town than a "community organizer." [xx(] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: rwarn17588 on August 29, 2008, 11:11:26 am quote: That's all? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 29, 2008, 11:14:12 am quote:If she's a non-factor then why are you wasting the time to post about her? As far as people knowing about her, I think some have used stupid arguments like that in the past, namely, "That actor could NEVER be president." If you think the community organizer who can't speak without a teleprompter is going to pose a problem for a seasoned senator you should pass the ganga...if you're referring to Palin, the fact that you don't know who she is tells us that you have no idea how she's going to perform in a debate. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: USRufnex on August 29, 2008, 11:18:58 am Wow. I just heard her first speech.... dontcha know..... she just loves Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro...
(http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9702/11/oscar.nominations/frances.lg.jpg) I didn't think the republicans could top Dan Quayle... I stand corrected. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 29, 2008, 11:23:46 am Yeah. It kinda reminds me of another party who nominated their own Dan Quayle candidate for president...
All hail the community organizer! Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 29, 2008, 11:24:46 am Graham, I thought I was the only one who saw a little bit of 'ol Pappy" in McCain's campaign. Good imagery. And the decisionmaking process probably close to correct.
McCain is cynical, shallow and amateurish. But he knows a winner when he sees one. Thus, "change, my friends" replaces the "truth express", and flipping on so many issues he's embraced in the past. This is desperation time for repubs. The true believers who fear the coming change are rounding up the wagons, calling names, questioning their opponents motives and intelligence and passing on every unfounded smear they can. Not because they support MC, but because they can't support a Dem. Its worked for a couple decades now but its embarrassing. The questions remain. Are you happy with how your party ran the country the last 8 years? Do you think McCain will be substantially different? Is Palin ready to assume commander in chief responsibilities? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 29, 2008, 11:27:51 am quote:Have you listened to your candidate over the last 18 months? I've never seen a candidate flop more in one year, other than Admiral Longface. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 29, 2008, 11:30:04 am quote: Okay. One "BIG" campaign contribution and I promise to give you a hard time over the rest of the election cycle. Happy now? [:)] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 29, 2008, 11:30:43 am quote:Probably as qualified as former community organizer with 140 days of senate experience with no concrete examples of legislative accomplishments. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 29, 2008, 11:35:49 am quote: What? You haven't been watching 'ol Pappy then. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 29, 2008, 11:37:59 am quote: Here, I'll help... http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/flipflops Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 29, 2008, 11:38:52 am quote:Are you trying to tell us that Lord Barry hasn't been a gold medalist flip floper over the last 18 months? Oh that's right, he doesn't flip flop he "refines" his positions. [:P] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: USRufnex on August 29, 2008, 11:39:09 am Tell us, O enlightened one....
McCain has a littany of flip-flops that would make John Kerry blush... I actually liked McCain2000... not as impressed with McCainXP...... but McCainVista is pretty lame... OBAMA>...... Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act Secure Fence Act Lugar-Obama Bill Coburn-Obama Transparency Act Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act Honest Leadership and Open Government Act Iraq War De-Escalation Act Defense Authorization Act Iran Sanctions Enabling Act State-Foreign Operations Appropriations bill Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2007 State Children's Health Insurance Program - Ammendment to provide protection for Family members caring for wounded soldiers. In his YEARS OF SERVICE in the Illinois State Senate... Voted to raise the minimum wage in Illinois from $5.15 an hour to $6.50 an hour over two years. (2003) Helped pass a 5 percent earned-income tax credit for low-income working families in 2000; made the credit permanent in 2003. Voted to end $300 million worth of tax breaks for businesses. (2004) Voted against making permanent the repeal of the state’s 5 percent sales tax on gasoline. (2000) Voted for having Illinois endorse embryonic stem cell research. (2004) Successfully sponsored the Health Care Justice Act, a study of ways to implement a universal health care system statewide. (2004) Voted against restrictions on public funding of abortion. (2000) Successfully co-sponsored a prescription drug discount buying club program for seniors and the disabled. (2003) Voted against letting people argue self-defense in court if charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home. (2004) Voted to let retired police and military police carry concealed weapons. (2004) Successfully sponsored requirement that law enforcement videotape interrogations of suspects in some serious crimes. (2003) Successfully sponsored law enforcement study of the race of people pulled over for traffic tickets. (2003) Helped pass an overhaul of the state’s troubled death penalty system. (2003) Unsuccessfully sponsored measure to expunge some criminal records and create an employment grant program for ex-criminals. (2002) Unsuccessfully sponsored limit of one handgun purchase per month. (2000) Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (2001) Unsuccessfully co-sponsored ban on discrimination based on sexual orientation. The measure became law after Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate. (2003) Successfully sponsored move to shield Illinois workers from federal rules that threatened overtime pay for some employees. Successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform called the Gift Ban Act. (1998) Voted against giving tax credits to parents who send their children to private school. (1999) OBAMA in '08... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 29, 2008, 11:39:59 am quote: "Probably" covers a lot of ground. So you'd follow this woman into a fox hole? You think she's good to cover our country's back in global crisis? Get real. She isn't ready to be even considered for the post. Its a political shenanigan designed to distract from a great speech and get him more votes. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 29, 2008, 11:43:02 am quote: Either you're not as good at this as you used to be or you aren't keeping up. McCain is this election's flipper. Try defending your candidate instead of attacking mine. Much harder, because McCain isn't really anyone's candidate. He is simply the survivor. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 29, 2008, 11:46:52 am quote:Here's a start. http://massdiscussion.blogspot.com/2008/06/collection-of-obama-flip-flops.html Wow. Your post is an impressive list full of nothing. I feel so much better about him now. I won't deal with them one by one unless you want, but this is my favorite one: "Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (2001)" Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 11:50:15 am Just worth posting again.
(http://images.cafepress.com/product/298758309v2_240x240_Front_Color-PinkSalmon.jpg) Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 29, 2008, 11:50:37 am quote:Again, how is she any less prepared than the community organizer? What makes you want to follow Obama into the fox hole? What makes you think Obama's ready to deal with a global crisis? Was it when he told Russia and Georgia to "simmer down?" How profound. I could easily call the same shenanigans on the democrats for picking a candidate because he's a minority. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 29, 2008, 12:01:46 pm Here is Ms. Palin's bio:
Sarah Heath Palin (born February 11, 1964) is the current Governor of Alaska, and a member of the Republican Party. She is the youngest and first female governor of Alaska. Brought to statewide attention because of her whistleblowing on ethical violations by state Republican Party leaders,[1] she won election in 2006 by first defeating the incumbent governor in the Republican primary, then a former Democratic Alaskan governor in the general election. On August 29, the Associated Press reported that “speculation [has] moved to [Palin as a] darkhorse” pick for the vice president running mate slot by presumptive Republican nominee John McCain.[2] The CNBC news service is now reporting that Palin will in fact be the GOP vice-presidential nominee.[3] She is reported to be a possible choice for the Republican Party’s nomination as Vice President of the United States in the 2008 election. Formal announcement of the presumptive nominee will be made in Dayton, Ohio on August 29, 2008, by Presidential candidate John McCain. Palin was born as Sarah Louise Heath in Sandpoint, Idaho, the daughter of Charles and Sally (Sheeran) Heath.[4] Her family moved to Alaska when she was an infant.[5] Charles Heath was a popular science teacher and coached track.[5] The Heaths were avid outdoors enthusiasts; Sarah and her father would sometimes wake at 3 a.m. to hunt moose before school, and the family would regularly run 5k and 10k races.[5] Palin was the point guard and captain for the Wasilla High School Warriors, in Wasilla, Alaska, when they won the Alaska small-school basketball championship in 1982; she earned the nickname “Sarah Barracuda” because of her intense play.[5] She played the championship game despite a stress fracture in her ankle, hitting a critical free throw in the last seconds.[5] Palin, who was also the head of the school Fellowship of Christian Athletes, would lead the team in prayer before games.[5] In 1984, Palin was second-place in the Miss Alaska beauty pageant after winning the Miss Wasilla contest earlier that year, winning a scholarship to help pay her way through college.[5] In the Wasilla pageant, she played the flute and also won Miss Congeniality. Details of Palin’s personal life have contributed to her political image. She hunts, eats moose burgers, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane.[6][7] Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it.[8] Palin holds a bachelor’s degree in journalism from the University of Idaho where she also minored in politics. She briefly worked as a sports reporter for local Anchorage television stations while also working as a commercial fisherman with her husband, Todd, her high school sweetheart.[5] One summer when she was working on Todd’s fishing boat, the boat collided with a tender while she was holding onto the railing; Palin broke several fingers.[5] Outside the fishing season, Todd works for BP at an oil field on the North Slope[9] and is a champion snowmobiler, winning the 2000-mile “Iron Dog” race four times.[5] The two eloped shortly after Palin graduated college; when they learned they needed witnesses for the civil ceremony, they recruited two residents from the old-age home down the street.[5] Todd is a Native Yup’ik Eskimo.[5] The Palin family lives in Wasilla, about 40 miles (64 km) north of Anchorage.[10] On September 11, 2007, the Palins’ son Track joined the Army. Eighteen years old at the time, he is the eldest of Palin’s five children.[10] Track now serves in an infantry brigade and will be deployed to Iraq in September. She also has three daughters: Bristol, 17, Willow, 13, and Piper, 7.[11] On April 18, 2008, Palin gave birth to her second son, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome.[12] She returned to the office three days after giving birth.[13] Palin refused to let the results of prenatal genetic testing change her decision to have the baby. “I’m looking at him right now, and I see perfection,” Palin said. “Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?”[13] Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council from 1992 to 1996. In 1996, she challenged the incumbent mayor, criticizing wasteful spending and high taxes.[5] The ex-mayor and sheriff tried to organize a recall campaign, but failed.[5] Palin kept her campaign promises, reducing her own salary, as well as reducing property taxes 60%.[5] She ran for reelection against the former mayor in 1999, winning by an even larger margin.[5][14] Palin was also elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.[11] In 2002, Palin made an unsuccessful bid for Lieutenant Governor, coming in second to Loren Leman in a four-way race. After Frank Murkowski resigned from his long-held U.S. Senate seat in mid-term to become governor, Palin interviewed to be his possible successor. Instead, Murkowski appointed his daughter, then-Alaska State Representative Lisa Murkowski.[5] Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission[15], where she served from 2003 to 2004 until resigning in protest over what she called the “lack of ethics” of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest.[5] After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican party’s chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.[16] Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned; Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.[5] In 2006, Palin, running on a clean-government campaign, executed an upset victory over then-Gov. Murkowski in the Republican gubernatorial primary.[5] Despite the lack of support from party leaders and being outspent by her Democratic opponent, she went on to win the general election in November 2006, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles.[5] Palin said in 2006 that education, public safety, and transportation would be three cornerstones of her administration.[8] When elected, Palin became the first woman to be Alaska’s governor, and the youngest governor in Alaskan history at 42 years old upon taking office. Palin was also the first Alaskan governor born after Alaska achieved U.S. statehood. She was also the first Alaskan governor not to be inaugurated in Juneau, instead choosing to hold her inauguration ceremony in Fairbanks. She took office on December 4, 2006. Highlights of Governor Palin’s tenure include a successful push for an ethics bill, and also shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans. Palin successfully killed the Bridge to Nowhere project that had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark spending.[13][17] “Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on ‘federal dollars,’ as the state does today.”[6] She has challenged the state’s Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young[18] and publicly challenging Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings.[13] Palin supports holding occasional legislative sessions outside the state capital, and municipal revenue sharing to help local governments.[citation needed] Palin’s tenure is noted for her independence from big oil companies, while still promoting resource development.[6][13] Palin has announced plans to create a new sub-cabinet group of advisors, to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska. [19] Shortly after taking office, Palin rescinded an appointment by Murkowski of his former chief of staff Jim Clark to the Alaska Natural Gas Development Authority, one of thirty-five appointments made by Murkowski in the last hour of his administration that she reversed. [20][21] Clark later pled guilty to conspiring with a defunct oil-field-services company to channel money into Frank Murkowski’s re-election campaign. [22] In March 2007, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) as the new legal vehicle for building a natural gas pipeline from the state’s North Slope.[23] Only one legislator, Representative Ralph Samuels, voted against the measure,[24] and in June Palin signed it into law.[25][26] On January 5, 2008, Palin announced that a Canadian company, Transcanada, was the sole AGIA-compliant applicant.[27][28] In response to high oil and gas prices, and in response to the resulting state government budget surplus, Palin proposed giving Alaskans $100-a-month energy debit cards. She also proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers’ rates.[29] She subsequently dropped the debit card proposal, and in its place she proposed to send Alaskans $1,200 directly and eliminate the gas tax.[30][31] SOCIAL ISSUES Palin is strongly pro-life and belongs to Feminists for Life.[8] She opposes same-sex marriage(we will have to work on this one, but she has stated that she has gay friends and is receptive to gay and lesbian concerns about discrimination.[8] While the previous administration did not implement same-sex benefits, Palin complied with a state Supreme Court order and signed them into law. [32] She supported a democratic advisory vote from the public on whether there should be a constitutional amendment on the matter.[33] Alaska was one of the first U.S. states to pass a constitutional ban on gay marriage, in 1998, along with Hawaii.[34] Palin’s first veto was used to block legislation that would have barred the state from granting benefits to gay state employees and their partners. In effect, her veto granted State of Alaska benefits to same-sex couples. The veto occurred after Palin consulted with Alaska’s attorney general on the constitutionality of the legislation.[35] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 29, 2008, 12:35:34 pm quote: As is this: (http://i29.tinypic.com/34djw44.jpg) And this: (http://politicaldemotivation.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/mccain_frankenstein_2.jpg)[:D] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 29, 2008, 12:43:08 pm And while we're at it:
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/acarollo1/GeorgeWMcCain.png) Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: jiminy on August 29, 2008, 01:17:38 pm quote: Wow. News for the Dems: you are doomed. DOOMED, I tell you! Palin looks to be almost as likable as Carrie Underwood. In today's shallow world, that spells W-I-N. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Conan71 on August 29, 2008, 01:25:06 pm quote: I really heard nothing new out of Obama last night. I finally managed to digest some of his speech this afternoon when I went home for lunch (actually, it's more like regurgitating, not digesting). Obama spent a lot of time attacking Bush and McCain and did little to justify his own candidacy. Something which smacks of smug arrogance is that Obama can't seem to find it in him to say "President" Bush. My father always taught me even if you cannot stand the person who is in the office, the title still deserves respect and they are still every citizen's President. Let's see, on to the highlights: Attack McCain- check Talk about his fortunate education and upbringing- check Promise more money for education- check Promise to lower taxes on "working families"- check Promise more healthcare- check Promise to get us out of Iraq- check Spew forth metaphors and cliches- check Tell us something substantive about specific policies he proposes - ??? Tell us how he's going to balance the budget after cutting taxes and where the spending cuts will come from- ??? That all sounds familiar, not like change to me. Speaking of education, why does our education system supposedly still lagging after the promises of every President dating back the last 150 years or so??? Throwing more money at it is obviously not the right solution. I thought Obama praised the Clinton White House last night. If they were so great, why do we need to reform healthcare and overhaul education still? How is he planning to restore the Clinton "surplus"? All important things we need to know so we aren't duped, yes? I fail to see how any of this adds up to substantial change, just more chump change. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 01:43:02 pm Now they're criticizing her for taking maternity leave when she had her son. They are really going make some bonus points.
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: jne on August 29, 2008, 01:43:13 pm Don't forget to add the current ethics investigation to her resume.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/08/mccains_vp_pick_palin_facing_e.html Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 29, 2008, 01:51:03 pm quote: Doomed! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmZRDUO1wGQ Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 29, 2008, 01:52:20 pm Palin staff pushed to have trooper fired
http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492964.html " Palin, who has previously said her administration didn't exert pressure to get rid of trooper Mike Wooten, also disclosed that members of her staff had made about two dozen contacts with public safety officials about the trooper. "I do now have to tell Alaskans that such pressure could have been perceived to exist although I have only now become aware of it," Palin said. " Indeed, another Repuke who will manipulate the Justice Department to further their own agenda. Just what we don't need. McCain's just using women. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: RecycleMichael on August 29, 2008, 01:59:56 pm That trooper story is pretty bad. Her sister gets a divorce from the guy so Palin gets him fired.
She ain't afraid, I give her that. She is a moose hunter. I like moose, especially the chocolate kind. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: USRufnex on August 29, 2008, 02:09:56 pm Uh, listen up, repub-tard koolaid drinker.... your party and its chattering classes are consistently LYING by perpetuating propaganda that McCain's version of Geraldine Ferraro has more experience than Obama... then you'll throw in fine-print about her "executive experience" as a governor, much like the end of a viagra commercial... side effects include: we are gonna be soooooo screwed if McCain has to resign for health reasons...
Obama has degrees from Columbia and Harvard-- your VP's experience is the equivalent of being Mayor of Owasso [}:)]... I understand you have no clue what a "community activist" does.... YOU CLEARLY DON'T... I saw what he did in Chicago... all you know how to do, Ippy, is use the term "community activist" in as insulting a way as you possibly can... because you're a jerk. And you have no respect for those who choose community service over $$$... Barack worked with WORKING PEOPLE on the southside... he worked with churches on the southside, when he could have been on Wall Street making tons of money....... You have no respect for him; I understand that. That doesn't make you a racist. It just makes you a traitor. [xx(] Have a nice day. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: RecycleMichael on August 29, 2008, 02:18:37 pm But does she have the stuff it takes...I mean, can she be the next Dick Cheney?
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Townsend on August 29, 2008, 02:42:42 pm quote: I believe that the caliber of weapon she uses to hunt moose means if she shoots you in the face...you know you've been shot in the face. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 29, 2008, 02:55:16 pm Conan, I will take this a step further. The dems, particularly some of those in this thread, are scared sh*tless about this pick. They know that if they attack Palin as "inexperienced" generally and on "foreign policy" matters specifically that such will blow up in Obama's face. Indeed, an attack on her is an attack on him. Furthermore, if the dems press the foreign policy issue, Obama will wind up pitching right into McCain's wheel house instead of focusing on tax policy and healthcare.
What I find interesting is that the dems are running two lawyers for Nos. 1 & 2. We need more lawyers in our government, don't we? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: RecycleMichael on August 29, 2008, 03:01:46 pm Do you think McCain picked her so she can shoot lawyers?
Oh my. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 03:02:06 pm Isn't anyone on this forum voting for me?
Scott Gaspar for President (http://"http://www.inews3.com/play.php?first=SCOTT&last=GASPAR") I am the candidate of HOPEFULL CHANGE. I hope to change everything. I will change the term "minimum wage" to "maximum wage". I will change my positions often. I will hope for change. I will beg for spare change. Free waffles on Fridays, and orange pant-suits for everyone! I will choose a female vice president who has had a sex change. Please join me in a Hopi Prayer (at least it sounds like Hope). A HOPI ELDER SPEAKS: "You have been telling the people that this is the Eleventh Hour, now you must go back and tell the people that this is THE HOUR. And there are things to be considered... Where are you living? What are you doing? What are your relationships? Are you in right relation? Where is your water? Know your garden. It is time to speak your Truth. Create your community. Be good to each other. And do not look outside yourself for the leader. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 29, 2008, 03:02:55 pm quote: Anyone who shoots lawyers automatically has my vote! Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 29, 2008, 03:05:36 pm quote: Keep drinking that fruit flavored drink... [:O] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: pmcalk on August 29, 2008, 03:28:39 pm The more I hear about her the more I think McCain completely misunderstands the "Hillary vote." I know a lot of women who are die-hard Clinton supporters that are having some difficulty switching allegiance to Obama. But their support for Hillary goes beyond her simply being a woman. Hillary has fought long and hard for the causes of women--affordable healthcare, decent childcare, the right to control our bodies. She represents an older generation of women, women who faced blatant sexism, who were dismissed and told they could not have careers. I doubt if those women will find anything of themselves in Palin, other than her sex. These are smart, independent women, who will immediately see this is just a political stunt. It reminds me when Bush picked Quayle, and some in the republican party said that Quayle would win over women with his good looks. Clearly, republicans don't think much about the intelligence of women.
Also--saying that Hillary whined too much isn't going to help her case. http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190/output/print Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 29, 2008, 03:30:31 pm quote: You're dreaming. I hope his advisors are buying into that line. It sure feels good being scared shirtless. Analysis: McCain judgement rating suffers again. He gets points for boldness, points for clever strategy and timing but deductions for putting his political objectives over the needs of the country. Overall, 'ol Pappy scores a 4 out of 10. Ps. My son tells me he considers it a cynical slam on Americans by MC. He correctly noted that this fresh governor could be president within a short time and wouldn't even know how to do the job or even what the job entails. It must not be a very important job or not very important to Americans. He's 15 and smarter than most of you. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: jiminy on August 29, 2008, 03:41:51 pm quote: The guy threatened to kill their father, was caught driving a patrol car drunk (not busted though), and tasered her son. The kid wanted it, but still... And he wasn't fired, the union apparently won't allow it Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 29, 2008, 03:45:21 pm quote: Yep, you are still boring. Trying to set a standard for yourself? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 29, 2008, 03:46:52 pm quote: Its a divorce case. Lots of allegations to sort out. She admitted that she may have abused her power by contacting his superiors over 15 times and suggesting his dismissal. Really? A governor calling repeatedly "might" be abusive? If it were so clear cut there wouldn't be an ethics investigation. You reading this Guido?? Apologies accepted. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 29, 2008, 04:13:28 pm Oh great. The repukes across America are questioning the sanity of this selection and our local tribesmen are all in favor.
Would someone please show the link or attach her swimsuit picture to TNF. She's a babe. Why else would McSame anoint her? McCain could be either a sex addict or an old wrinkley pervert. McUseswomen.... http://www.hoffmania.com/blog/2008/08/how-i-found-out.html How I found out about Palin..... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on August 29, 2008, 04:36:33 pm quote: Absolutely BRILLIANT choice as VP. A STRONG, attractive, virile, woman leader. A Reformer. Steel in her spine. Castrated the incumbent Alaska GOP Good-old-Boys' Governor Frank Murkowski with a dull spoon, faster than she gutted her first bull moose in the back woods using a McCullough chain saw lubricated with Mazola Oil. Va-roooooooom. Then, fried his balls for Sunday Breakfast to feed her growing family. VERY good speaker on her feet. MAJOR League talent. Authentic. AUTHENTIC. People sense it. PTA to City Council to Mayor to Reform Governor in an Alaskan ethical swamp. Empty suit Obama Hussein Obama crapped his $1,000 suitpants when he heard the news. His dear friends at his former employer, the Cook County Democratic Machine, are reportedly calling their close friends in the Chicago Mafia for a Cleaner. Lifelong, oily professional pol Delaware Sinator Joe "MBNA" Bid-en will look like a terminal cholera patient next to her immense moral authority. Congratulations, GOP. Your brains are finally working overtime. Happy Hunting! [8D] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 29, 2008, 04:45:02 pm FB, quit the sarcasm. This is a serious joke. You realize, republicans outside of Dumbf*ckistan are having a hard time understanding McInsanes' choice here.
So, Gweeedoe, Ipsy, FB etc.: Do you support teaching creationism too? 'Creation science' enters the race GOVERNOR: Palin is only candidate to suggest it should be discussed in schools. http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html Please post those swim suit pics you're drooling over. Give em up! Landslide coming! Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: USRufnex on August 29, 2008, 04:49:25 pm Yeah, FB... the dems are shakin' in their boots.... because Hillary's voters can't wait to cast their ballot for someone who is a polar opposite from most of Hillary's positions...
Ummm. If she were a man, would she have been chosen. Governor since 2006.... mayor of a suburb of Anchorage with a population of 9,000? Obama's not an empty suit.... I know better... I know what he did on the southside, I remember well the debates with Alan Keyes... I'm not sure why you have no respect for him... but then again... you've never been a poster of substance, FB. Have some more of that koolaid.... here's another fun conspiracy theory for you.... (http://www.newscorpse.com/Pix/Campaign08/kool-aid-mccain-dots.jpg) Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on August 29, 2008, 04:58:28 pm quote: If I'd looked as good as she does now and even better 20 years ago, I'd run for Ms. Alaska, too. Smart. Attractive. Strong public speaker. Reformer. Reform Motto: Kill 'em and Grill 'em. The Democrat Testosterone-depleted Girlie Boys are trembling like a leaf in winter....... [:P] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 29, 2008, 05:12:57 pm Please define smart.
What does attractive got to do with this (other than McCain (R-Idiot) uses women)? (Please find the swim suit pics already!) Good public speaker? We will see about that. Is she a choaker? Reformer? She wants creationism taught for Gawds sake.....where is she a reformer? Define reform. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 29, 2008, 05:19:40 pm Sarah Palin wants to let the polar bears die, too. On global warming, she's aligned with" most discredited, fringe, extreme viewpoints"
http://www.americablog.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-wants-to-let-polar-bears.html "She's either grossly misinformed or intentionally misleading, and both are unbecoming," said Kassie Siegel of the Center for Biological Diversity. "Alaska deserves better." Siegel said it was unconscionable for Palin to ignore overwhelming evidence of global warming's threat to sea ice, the polar bear's habitat. "Even the Bush administration can't deny the reality of global warming," she said. "The governor is aligning herself and the state of Alaska with the most discredited, fringe, extreme viewpoints by denying this." This is great....the repiglicans have a guy running for President who shoots himself in the head by picking an extremist. What morons. Landslide coming. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: CoffeeBean on August 29, 2008, 05:31:06 pm “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" - Sarah Palin, a month ago.
"[T]he thrust of the Dems' argument will not be that Palin is too inexperienced; it will be that McCain is being disingenuous when he argues that Obama is too inexperienced. This argument will gain wide acceptance among the pundit class, and it will also succeed with voters -- largely because it is correct, and obviously & instinctively so." -- Brendon Loy "Can anyone say with a straight face that Palin would have gotten picked if she were a man?" - Ponnuru "— Stevens and Young, redux. She has distanced herself from the state’s two most popular politicians, but both appeared at Palin fundraisers during her 2006 gubernatorial bid. — The environment. As governor, Palin vetoed wind power and clean coal projects, including a 50-megawatt wind arm on Fire Island and a clean coal facility in Healy that had been mired in a dispute between local and state governments. — And, maybe, censorship. According to the Frontiersman newspaper, Wasilla’s library director Mary Ellen Emmons said that "Palin asked her outright if she could live with censorship of library books.” Palin later dismissed the conversation as a “rhetorical” exercise." -- from politico.com "The GOP agenda to ramp up domestic supplies of energy is the only way that we are going to become energy independent, the only way that we are going to become a more secure nation. And I say this, of course, knowing the situation we are in right now — at war, not knowing what the plan is to ever end the war we are engaged in, understanding that Americans are seeking solutions and are seeking resolution in this war effort. So energy supplies and being able to produce and supply domestically is going to be a big part of that." -- Palin, Aug. 14, 2008 [She knows no other way to energy independence other than ramping up domestic supplies? Her Iraq exit strategy is . . . "I don't know."?!] "You are absolutely on point that the most important aspect of the Palin pick is what it tells us about McCain's judgment. Picking a VP is one of the first serious, consequential decisions of a presidential candidate. It is somewhat like a parent choosing who will be the guardian of their child in the event of death. The VP isn't just some vote-grabbing machine - it is the second-highest Constitutional office. For JM to offer this slot to someone with such meagre credentials, whom he hardly even knows is a sign of serious character disturbance." --http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/ Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: USRufnex on August 29, 2008, 05:31:42 pm "The Democrat Testosterone-depleted Girlie Boys are trembling like a leaf in winter......."
Wow. How's life on your planet FB?!? (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j182/swiftian/112506/pelosi_inyourhouse.jpg) Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on August 29, 2008, 05:39:10 pm quote: Life is good here on Mars. How is life on your planet? Uranus, isn't it? I can see Uranus clearly tonite. [;)] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Breadburner on August 29, 2008, 07:41:30 pm What a great lady and great American...An excelent choice....
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on August 29, 2008, 08:13:29 pm quote: Ditto, Breadburner. An Authentic American Hero! Long may she reign! Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on August 29, 2008, 08:17:44 pm quote: Do the JEWS want Obama? Methinks, Yes. They OWN him.....Bubi! Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: buck on August 29, 2008, 09:24:01 pm The first time I heard of Ms. Palin was a few months ago, I was going to work and flipping through the stations and on the "Edge" Greg and Chuck were talking about her as a dark horse candidate and that she was hot. So +1 to Greg and Chuck and maybe we should listen to rhe "Edge" to get our political news.
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 30, 2008, 12:20:25 am quote: Gee FB, thanks for the quote![:(!] It will be useful in the future to back the evidence against you depicting your true hateful, mean, and intolerant poster self![V] Way to go.....puts your posts in true light.[:(] BTW, mean people suck.[^] "The art of life is to show your hand. There is no diplomacy like candor. You may lose by it now and then, but it will be a loss well gained if you do. Nothing is so boring as having to keep up a deception." E.V.Lucas Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Breadburner on August 30, 2008, 06:13:54 am quote: This we can agree on.... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 30, 2008, 07:23:38 am Bill Maher: The Maverik and The MILF
He also called her a hockey mom.....funny stuff. Joe Biden may already be practicing his drop-dead line for the vice-presidential debate: “I know Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine, and governor, you’re no Hillary Clinton.” McCain’s Baked Alaska By GAIL COLLINS http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/opinion/30collins-.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin "The idea that women are going to race off to vote for any candidate with the same internal plumbing is both offensive and historically wrong." Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 30, 2008, 07:26:35 am I thought you guys were being sarcastic.[:O] You've lowered the bar for what makes a "hero". Apparently its being a female conservative who looks good for her age.
Wait till her modelling pics make it onto the net. Woo Hoo! Bikini clad with a shotgun... republican wet dream. And if they don't, the fix is in. All young beauty pageant contestants consider modelling. Regardless who wins and why, this election confirms that republicans are skilled in winning government office but dismal failures in operating them. And damn slow learners. Y'all enjoy your last VP whose hand was stuffed up the puppet's backside and screwed us all? You think if MC gets elected and continues to get dafter and dafter that it won't happen again with Palin as the new puppetmaster? She has no idea of the power behind the scenes that will force their will upon her. There is a very good reason that Colin Powell doesn't want the job and it ain't family. He thinks for himself and will never again put himself in a position where others pull his strings. Therefore not a good VP choice for them. George McCain is not just gambling with an election, he's gambling with our futures. She is not qualified no matter how much it is being spun on your media. And it galls y'all somethin' fierce don'cha know. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 30, 2008, 07:44:10 am She's oily! Can we get a swim suit pic with her oiled down?
Veep Nominee Palin and the Exxon Valdez Case http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2008/08/veep-nominee-pa.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oro2Yh9HoEM&eurl Palin: What does a VP do? Had to be straightened out by Krudlow....funny! Exclusive: Chief Fired by Palin Speaks Out http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/08/exclusive_chief_fired_by_palin.html "The July firing of Alaska Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan by Gov. Sarah Palin, who was announced as John McCain's running mate on Friday, has unearthed a stream of soap-opera-like details about Palin, her husband, her family and top state appointees. The controversy has also cut against Palin's reputation for holding an ethical line and standing up to colleagues in the Republican Party over matters of principle." Dan Quayle must be beaming! Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Rico on August 30, 2008, 07:54:53 am If McCain had chosen Romney or even Lieberman it would have been cause for concern.
This choice is a gimmee for the Democrats. You now will have two... That Lieberman has to explain the answers to. I would imagine Fiorina and Gramm are even miffed by this choice. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on August 30, 2008, 07:56:59 am quote: It's not an insult to call a Jew, a Jew. Besides, it's a LATIN name for the ancient inhabitants of Judea, and the kinsmen of our Lord and Savior. Actually, they are Hebrews. Jews, Gays, and Blacks are Obama Bin Obama's three core constituencies. Which do YOU most closely identify with?? Bubi? Bruce? Safonda? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Rico on August 30, 2008, 08:08:09 am quote: Never would have suspected you to be a racist Bear but you are sure beginning to sound like one.... That's what happens when one can not argue a point on facts..... They resort to name calling and innuendo. Your family must be very proud. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 30, 2008, 08:17:15 am Stay on topic and ignore intolerant rants.
That poster (FB) is schizo. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 30, 2008, 08:57:01 am That one was a new low FB. Makes it hard to take your responses seriously.
Not that you would answer specific, direct questions (you seldom do) but I ask them just so that others may put your rantings in perspective: How do you group the rest of his core constituency? Cause everyone has to fit into one of your cubby holes and I assure you that Mile High stadium wasn't filled with just Jews, Gays and Blacks. So, are the rest of us just "other"? What makes you think that with the defection of LIEberman and accusations that Obama is soft on Israeli defense that Jews are lining up behind Obama? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on August 30, 2008, 08:59:31 am quote: It's predicted that Obama bin Obama will get the following voting block percentages: Jews: 80% Gays: 80% Blacks: 107% [;)] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 30, 2008, 09:11:34 am quote: And McSame/Falin' will get the following voting block percentages: Morons: 8o% Fascists: 80% Dieboldt Employees: 150% So are we getting anywhere with this? Just defend your candidate if possible. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Rico on August 30, 2008, 10:59:25 am Just curious.... We all know McCain's group have not fully researched before they have made certain comments. Do you suppose.......? that just possibly the "surprise" nominee, Ms. Palin, was fully vetted prior to being made public.? Or was McCain just feeling froggy..? We should have a good idea by the end of the Republican Convention..[}:)] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Rico on August 30, 2008, 12:07:54 pm (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/rico2/McCainPalin.jpg) “BY STUDYING MY OLD BONES AND PRE-HISTORIC POLITICS, SARAH WILL BE WELL PREPARED TO TAKE OVER THE NEANDERTHAL PARTY.” I see we are still in the vetting process of sorts.......[;)] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 30, 2008, 01:49:17 pm quote:Wow. That's high-class. You do realize he can't move that arm because it was broken so many times? Nice way to pay respect to a vet that had his arm repeatedly broken in a prison camp. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 30, 2008, 02:06:54 pm quote:Wow. Way to keep it classy eh? Did you borrow that line or did you think it up all by yourself? quote:Last time I checked, McCain was running for president against Barry, not Palin. quote:Do you ever say anything meaningful or substantive? quote:Oh boy, he went to Columbia and Harvard...he and countless tens of thousands of other people. By the way, what executive experience does Obama have? quote:Please. For the love of god, please tell the Obama camp to run him as the "community organizer." quote:What the hell are you talking about? quote: This is just more typical nonsense from you. No substance, all ad hominem attacks. I feel sorry for you as a person. You must be miserable to be around. I feel for your family or whoever else has the displeasure of dealing with you every day. Get out and get some fresh air, it might do you some good. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 30, 2008, 02:11:01 pm quote:Like criticizing another campaign's VP choice for having no experience when your own presidential candidate has none as well? Well stated rico. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 30, 2008, 02:38:19 pm She just gave birth at age 44 to a child who has Downs syndrome. She already has 4 children. It was none of our business until she accepted John MCain’s offer to be his VP choice. Now we have a right to ask why she chose to have a fifth child in her middle forties. Being VP is not a 9-5 job. Her husband can help care for the new baby but she should be there more and would not be able to be if she became VP.
FOTD thinks it was very selfish and insensitive for her to bear her fifth child. Her other four children will have to live with the consequences of her decision. FOTD thinks it was insensitive for McCain to even ask her to be VP. Here is a family going through the stress of having a new baby. The stress is increased because the baby has special needs. John McCain asks the mother to be a candidate for VP. Like that is not a stressful thing to do-run for office. The devil is all for breaking down all barriers which prevent all human beings from reaching their full potential. Having school age children should not be a barrier to holding political office. But if Rosemary just gave birth to a special needs child the devil would have told McCain NO. Palin needs to spend more time with her family. She'll get that opportunity when she returns to the governors desk. The GOP is not the family values party..... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 30, 2008, 02:41:46 pm quote: Let's not roll that out. McSame is using that for EVERY retort to a question about numerous flipflops he has. Or at least his handlers are. He's going to the well on that one too many times. Kinda like Guiliani did with 9/11. And actually, no, I didn't know that. But I don't follow McSame's life story like a fanboy, either. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: CoffeeBean on August 30, 2008, 02:43:29 pm How does two years as Alaska's executive give Palin more experience to run the country? By that logic, Brad Henry is a better choice than Palin.
Did Alaska give Palin experience handling a budget as complicated as United States'? Did Alaska adequately inform Palin about issues of federalism? Does she understand the concept? [fair question - one month ago she couldn't explain the job of the Vice President -not even the tie-breaking function in the Senate]. Did her two years as governor involve issues with troops overseas? Their maintenance, funding, security? So far, the only lesson I see that Palin learned as governor was how to use a political office to fire someone who wouldn't pander to her personal vendetta. If that's the type of experience you're looking for, then maybe Palin is your candidate. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: CoffeeBean on August 30, 2008, 02:49:29 pm quote: His time surviving, while admirable, brings nothing of substance to the table. What does it add? That McCain is determined? So is Bush, and its hardly viewed as a positive. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 30, 2008, 03:03:53 pm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6MVmv1OY6Q&eurl
hockey mom....game over? Great emails!!!! And here is Sarah Palin yuck from Glenn Beck....a special stupid guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3jnbiHAMuY&eurl Ted Nugent with tits? Let's ignore her. Attacking her is like going after Bambi. Complaining about her lack of experience will let the righties cliam, falsely, that she has more experience than Obama. Just let her be. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Rico on August 30, 2008, 05:15:32 pm quote: Now now Coffee Bean..... Maybe she took night courses in waterboarding.... The Republicans are going to have a very tough road to hoe... no pun intended They make it out of the convention without certain things reaching the light of day ipsqueak will be very pleased. Romney or even Lieberman would have been cause for concern... This set of circumstances have cut the suspense factor immensely...... And yes I am bitter when I look at what Bush has done to the country and for Veteran Rights... Has anyone noticed her husband is in the brotherhood of BP Global... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 30, 2008, 05:22:13 pm quote: Hmmm...another VP candidate with ties to big oil...(shudder) Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Conan71 on August 30, 2008, 06:17:40 pm quote: You are obviously a sexist piece of ****. How un-liberal of you, trying to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body. ****ing sexist pig. What, does your own dysfunctional upbringing and life suddenly qualify you as a family counselor? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 30, 2008, 06:31:00 pm quote: You are being way to easy on this miserable piece of crap masquerading as a human being. I find it incredible that this douchebag f*stain was even allowed back in this forum. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: RecycleMichael on August 30, 2008, 06:33:59 pm Really FOTD.
Leave her baby out of the conversation. I assume she knows what she is doing about her career and family situation. I can find plenty to agree or disagree with this pick as VP without trying to bring her family and especially her new baby into the conversation. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 30, 2008, 06:39:11 pm quote: Thanks again for proving why I find you a respectable adversary. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 30, 2008, 06:58:26 pm quote:Reread my post genius. Some idiot posted a picture about his "frankenstein" handshake. The reason he looks awkward while shaking hands with people is because he's had his arm broken numerous times. If you're going to participate, at least pay attention. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 30, 2008, 07:06:07 pm quote:And you would be correct. Henry has more relevant executive than Palin who has more experience than Obama, I don't think this is that complicated. Be that as it may, I think McCain is actually running for president this year. quote:Probably as much as a community organizer has. He's a senator with 143 days of experience. Do you have any proof to back up his proficiency with the US budget? For god's sake. He doesn't even know how many states are in the US. He'd be budgeting for 57 states... quote:The question is do you? What exactly is she misinterpreting about federalism? Lastly, could you provide us with three concrete examples of accomplishments that prove that Obama has experience deserving of the position he's running for? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 30, 2008, 07:11:36 pm quote:Do you have any clue as to how many average joes "big oil" employs? How many average people have their retirement accounts invested in "big oil?" Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on August 30, 2008, 07:13:22 pm quote: MAY have been a "surprise" baby...... It happens..... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 30, 2008, 07:37:33 pm quote: I sure hope you fat-fingered something here, because I'm hoping even you aren't so self-centered as to post-pad by quoting your own reply to someone from earlier in a thread. Wow. Not that it would surprise me or anything. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 30, 2008, 07:51:48 pm Hey genius. I was correcting a typo from earlier. Do you plan to actually meaningfully respond to any of my posts or are you just like your sockpuppet buddy FaxTurd? Or have you run out of clever pictures and have nothing better to do?
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 30, 2008, 07:59:13 pm quote: Nope, got one more left for ya, Diplaw... (http://z.hubpages.com/u/202901_f520.jpg) Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 30, 2008, 08:04:07 pm Wow. How profound. No substance, no cognitive thought. You're a perfect Obama supporter. Keep up the good work!
When you're ready to act like a big boy we'll all be here waiting for you to contribute something of merit. cricket....cricket.....cricket.... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 30, 2008, 08:20:43 pm quote: You keep proving me right! Keep on keepin' on! Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 30, 2008, 08:21:53 pm quote:Anytime you're ready to say something substantive I'll be here. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 30, 2008, 08:27:11 pm quote: Don't have anything to add where you're concerned, Skippy. You already have it all figgered out! [:O] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 30, 2008, 08:31:51 pm This thread has gone way out of hand. I love the attempt to play down McCain's choice among the libs, yet when you look at the rage and rampage on this single thread you can almost smell the emotion.
Take her for what she is, and he for what he is, and the balance sheet becomes heavy as lead. It comes down to the same visceral reflexes that decide every election between liberal and conservative. Ideals v.s. Ideas When you are alone with your thoughts (have you any) let your mind, not your emotions decide the ballet. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 30, 2008, 08:33:37 pm From what I've seen so far you don't have anything to add period. I'll try monosyllabic words for you next time.
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 30, 2008, 08:39:19 pm quote:As I have said from the beginning, this will be a 50/50 split just like the last election. A couple of states will again decide our president. I just saw that a Zogby poll taken earlier today has the race tied up again. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 30, 2008, 08:45:06 pm This election is more fun than any I've been aware of in my lifetime. Scary, but fun. Bottom line is we've prospered with really bad presidents and done badly with really good presidents. We'll survive.
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: rwarn17588 on August 30, 2008, 08:50:33 pm quote: I agree that the election will be close. However, I would take any Zogby poll with a truckload of salt. I used to be a fan of his, but his poll missed the 2004 election badly and he misfired badly on a bunch of primary states this year. It's been acknowledged that his track record leaves much to be desired. I think you need to take the aggregate of the major polls to get a clearer picture. With that, all of them show Obama with a single-digit lead. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on August 30, 2008, 08:53:23 pm I can't believe we're headed for another razor thin election. Should make for interesting TV at least.
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: CoffeeBean on August 30, 2008, 09:42:01 pm quote: You referenced McCain's POW status, a status he relies upon as evidence of his foregin policy experience. I was simply moving the discussion forward a few steps to ask whether that is a fair assertion. Agree or disagree, but for someone who harps on lack of substance, you certainly didn't add anything to the discussion. As you can see from my post, I don't think one has anything to do with the other, but I am open to hearing your argument (assuming you have one) . . . Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: CoffeeBean on August 30, 2008, 10:27:40 pm quote: Complicated or not, you failed to answer the question: How does two years as Alaska's executive give Palin more experience to run the county? If your position is simply that her experience with one is transferable to the other, are you claiming that all executive positions are the same? That Alaska faces the same type of issues as the United States? I am not suggesting that you are incorrect, I am asking for your rationale. quote: Obama is part of the Legislature that created the U.S. budget. I think its reasonable to infer that he was more proficient with it than Palin. I assume that your reference to 57 states was hyperbole or misinformation because I have not seen that quote. But again, you did not answer my question: Did Alaska give Palin experience handling a budget as complicated as [the] United States'? quote: Federalism is the concept embeded within the supremacy clause of the United States Constitution (Art. VI, Clause 2). The supremacy clause elevates federal law above the law of individual states, such as Alaska. If Palin claims that her state-based executive experience is similar to the experience necessary to lead the county, then I question whether she fully comprehends the scope of her prospective position. As for three examples that qualify Obama (in relation to McCain): 1) He displayed superior judgment in voting against the war in Iraq. 2) Obama has demonstrated a temperment and demeanor throughout his career, and especially during the primary season, that suggest he is better suited to handle conflict resolution and negotiations with other world leaders. 3) Obama has legal training and education that facilitate an understanding of the complex issues presented by our federal government. But again - you failed to answer my question: What demonstrated knowledge does Palin have about federalism or the Vice Presidency? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 30, 2008, 10:36:36 pm Your ability to read the future is baseless IPLAW. Makes you look idiotic. Where you been btw, mean person? Institutionalized? How'd you get out?
Anyway, nothing will be razor thin to win. It will be a big victory for Barack and America overriding the typical bitter white persons clinging to guns and religion in favor of an intelligent new cross section of voters who have determined they won't get fooled again. 38 million watched as Obama gave direction to a different approach in dealing with your politics of negativity and destruction. Funny how his speech was aimed at you but you missed the word “enough” and then show up again here with that attitude. Let’s talk past your audience about what path these candidates will go down and who can make the best decisions based on their track records. It looks to me like your hero has had many weird moments in his past. Do angry and mean hang together? Is that why you are attracted to the point where you “guess” the race will be close? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 30, 2008, 10:51:40 pm http://www.alaskaag.org/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=34 And you thought Jeremiah was scary....BOO! Ha Ha Ha "If there are two or three people who are perhaps crying or laughing uncontrollably, the ushers will gently lead them into the prayer room where they can continue to enjoy the presence of Jesus without affecting those around them." Do you want these weirdoes making judgment calls? Really? The devil despises that notion. Ask her about giving birth to her grandchild. Let the fun begin! Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 31, 2008, 05:37:21 am quote: Agree completely! Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 31, 2008, 06:26:09 am quote: The vote on the Iraq war took place two years before he was even in the Senate. His words are "I never voted to go to war in Iraq." That's because he was not there to vote. I love how he has convinced people he took a stance against the war simply by omission of the fact that HE WAS NOT THERE YET. He does not have to worry about his supporters ever figuring this out. quote: He placates and panders, causing him to have to reverse his stance, and again he does not have to worry about his supporters ever figuring this out. He's already pissed off Israel, pissed off Pakistan. Changed his stance on both. He gets himself in trouble when he shoots from the hip. He needs to stick to his scripts. quote: Legal training is of little use for anyone in federal government, in fact it is more of a handicap. It makes for politicians that cannot answer a question with a straight answer. Look at Bill. Common sense, executive experience, and, economic experience are the prerequisites. Obama has run for office. That's about it. He has never run anything. He is extremely good at getting elected. That's the sum of his experience. That's not a good thing. But again he dosen't have to worry about his followers figuring that out. He's chosen a fine running mate, but just another career politician that has been very good at getting elected (and not very good with a checkbook I might add). quote: I'm not sure you know what you mean by federalism, perhaps you mean "federal government." Whatever. Mrs. Palin: She ran a successful business. She ran a successful city. She ran a successful (mostly democrat I might add) state, becoming the highest rated governor in the country by both democrats and republicans. She ousted 3 major political figures (both republican and democrat) for corruption. Because her state was producing heavy amounts of oil during our recent slump, and the state garnered a huge tax profit, she sent Alaska residents the money back in the form of $100 a month utility debit cards, and a check for $1,200 for each and every Alaskan. In her short political career she has had more real "EXECUTIVE" experience than both of the lawyers (Obama & Biden). Don't get me wrong, Obama and Biden are very nice guys, and masters of the art of election, but neither one has any executive or economic experience. Palin simply balances out the ticket for McCain. She plays to his weaknesses and he to hers. She has nothing to offer democrats except her integrity, and over the next few weeks as the democrats take shots at that they will unravel their own fuse, and that is where the strategy lies. You can see a microcosm of what is to come on this single thread. Please keep it up. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: RecycleMichael on August 31, 2008, 07:09:13 am The Anchorage daily newspaper has compiled all their articles on Palin into one link.
http://www.adn.com/palin/ There is lots of interesting information on her. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: tim huntzinger on August 31, 2008, 08:27:45 am The only things the Obiden can do is say 'She is sort of like Dan Quayle' and hope they can lure her into stridency. What an awesome, breathtaking, audacious move by McCain. Almost enough to vote GOP again! Also married to an AK native, I can attest that they are indeed a breed apart! We have found our new Reagan!
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: USRufnex on August 31, 2008, 08:55:06 am quote: When YOU, iplaw, contribute something of merit... And you're the perfect McCain/Palin supporter... Just like FoxNews... DOOCY: "But the other thing about her, she does know about international relations because she is right up there in Alaska right next door to Russia." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDmNk23vEYI McCain's choice of VP is a huge FLIP-FLOP for him to satisfy the conservative "base" of the Republican party..... funny, because I've never considered the Rush Limbaugh dittohead crowd as a base for much of anything other than derision. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Gaspar on August 31, 2008, 09:16:41 am quote: You need to note that the ADN is like Tulsa's Urban Tulsa. It's a "flash-rag". Interesting articles none the less. Edit: Noted: It is the largest newspaper in Anchorage. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: USRufnex on August 31, 2008, 09:31:30 am quote: Absolutely amazing watching you argue and endlessly SPIN Palin's merits... You, as a let's-pretend-libertarian... want us to give credit to McCain's Veep for... views that would criminalize abortion-- even in cases of rape or incest, demonize sex education...... Interesting how McCain has placated the Huckabee constituency... Obama bin Obama? How 'bout Mikemoud Huckmadineajad? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 31, 2008, 09:34:32 am Obama's convention bounce is gone:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll Again, I know these polls are essentially meaningless. I just enjoy sticking my thumb in these Obama-nuts eye. Incidentally, I see the collective sh*tting in the pants by several Obama-nuts on this forum is continuing. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Rico on August 31, 2008, 09:37:18 am I'm a little confused here....... [}:)] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: USRufnex on August 31, 2008, 09:43:28 am Excuse me Guido... per usual, you make up facts to fit your pompous holier-than-thou arguments....
His choice of Palin is a pander to the religious right... Why would anybody be scared of this woman as McCain's VP?..... she has nothing in common with the Hillary Clinton vote... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 31, 2008, 09:57:30 am quote: I think in general, you have to be scared of the fact that she'll be just one heartbeat away from the White House. That's what Obama's camp will be using in the weeks to come. She scares me for that reason. How can that NOT be the 'Quayle Factor'? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 31, 2008, 10:15:19 am quote: No moron, the "Quayle factor" is thinking there are 57 states in the U.S. and that having an opinion about when the human rights for a baby was "above his pay grade." As for what is scary, the fact that you believe Obama has the qualifications to be president. No one in this forum has been able to point to a single legislative accomplishment he has made. Instead, we hear that Obama is qualified because he is able to inspire 80k plus people to watch him deliver a speech at Invesco. This is absolutely hilarious. If that qualifies someone to be president, then let's get Dan from "Dan's Bake Sale" fame to run. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 31, 2008, 10:24:28 am Here is the Red State Update take on Palin. Pretty funny, no matter what your party affiliation is:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/31/video-red-state-update-on-the-palin-pick/ Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 31, 2008, 10:28:57 am quote: Wow, once again, no substantive argument than to call posters a moron. How's that kool-aid tastin'? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 31, 2008, 10:40:30 am quote: Palin is the hot one. There, still confused? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 31, 2008, 11:05:12 am I know this is two days old, but I just had to post this given the love affair several in this thread have with uber-qualified Obama:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/08/30/maher-matthews-olbermann-were-ready-have-sex-w-obama Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: MH2010 on August 31, 2008, 11:36:36 am quote: This is a classic example of "I don't have a response to your arguement so I'm just going to ignore it and respond to you calling me a moron." Face it Hoss, You lost the argument. Just keep screaming about the kool-aid and maybe no one else will notice. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on August 31, 2008, 11:42:30 am quote: Why does it have to be an argument? You neoconovics seem to think that if you scream it loud enough, it makes it true. It doesn't. I don't need to argue anything on here, you tightie-righties continue to prove my point by citing such objective news organizations as newsbusters, a proven neo-conservative water carrier. You all make it sound as if Palin is the second-coming of Christ. Maybe the second coming of Quayle. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 31, 2008, 11:49:55 am Lucifer here doesn't want to speculate any more on the highly complicated rumor that Palin was "bearding" for her allegedly pregnant daughter (although there is no proof of this except that the daughter was missing from school for several months, allegedly with mono), who some contest actually carried the child to birth. (Women generally get bigger during pregnancy after multiple births and after their 30s, but we saw alleged photos of Sarah Palin in her six month with nary a baby bump.) Why did she fly from Texas to Alaska after her water broke? Bizzare. There's something wrong with this woman.
The devil thinketh Palin is baked Alaska. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: rwarn17588 on August 31, 2008, 12:05:11 pm Back to topic ...
I've kept fairly quiet on this mostly because, like everyone else, I didn't know jack about Sarah Palin and wanted to see what information shakes out in the days after the veep announcement. I think there's now a creeping sense that Palin, for all of her good qualities, is a blunder by McCain. Even conservative commentators -- like Krauthammer, David Frum, Ponnuru at the National Review and Andrew Sullivan -- are questioning it. And there's a multitude of sound reasons why: -- Palin is in the midst of an ongoing ethics investigation regarding the firing of a state trooper. Based on the reports I've seen from a bunch of media outlets -- including in Alaska -- it's not looking good for her. The results of that probe are coming out in late October. Ouch. (The probe schedule was set before her veep announcement, BTW). -- I saw a Rasmussen poll that indicates that women are less receptive to Palin than men, which undercuts some of the reasons on why she was chosen. And the poll says many more independent voters are unimpressed than impressed. This matches with the reactions I've seen from acquaintances. For a race that's dependent on independent voters for victory, this is not a good development. -- McCain's chief spokesman Charlie Black essentially admitted that Palin knows almost nothing about foreign issues and says she'll be getting on-the-job training from "the feet of the master." This does not bode well for McCain's judgment in picking a novice, especially when he's 72 years old and she may have to step in at a moment's notice. It's clear now that Obama gave his veep choice more thought than McCain did. -- Palin presided over major tax hikes in her state, which sort of kills the tax-cutting mantra of the GOP. -- The dubious argument that Palin has more experience than Obama dissipates when you see that she has no stance a huge number of national and foreign issues. Obama has specific stances all over the place on his Web site, and has discussed and thought over all of the big issues of the day because of his time in the Illinois Senate, U.S. Senate and being on the grueling, 20-month campaign trail. He's got a book out that discusses many of the same things. Considering how the media and opponents have been turning over every conceivable rock looking for data or dirt on him, it's safe to say he's been thoroughly vetted. And that's just a few of the things that have surfaced. Lord knows what will be dug up after the holiday. I like McCain a lot. I couldn't have been more pleased that the GOP chose him to be its presidential candidate. He was by far the best guy out there in that party. I felt the same way about Democrats picking Obama. I think both sides chose wisely, and I looked forward to a smart, vigorous debate on the future of the country. That said, I've been disappointed with McCain since the campaign started in earnest. Those Britney-Paris Hilton ads were intelligence-insulting. And now McCain, telling everyone how crucial it will be to have strong leadership against the world's perils, goes out and impulsively picks a running mate who obviously hasn't been thoroughly vetted and hasn't shown herself to have given much thought about big-picture issues. Maybe Palin will turn out to be a dynamite running mate over time. Maybe she'll turn out to be a quick study and re-energize McCain's campaign. But based on what I've seen from the McCain crew so far, I'm not optimistic. And given my fondness for McCain, I say that with no gladness in my heart. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 31, 2008, 12:05:36 pm MORE!
http://www.adn.com/front/story/336402.html Secret's out: Palin pregnant SEVEN MONTHS ALONG: Even her staff was unaware that the first family was expecting a fifth child. By WESLEY LOY JUNEAU -- Gov. Sarah Palin shocked and awed just about everybody around the Capitol on Wednesday when she announced she's expecting her fifth child. "I thought it was becoming obvious," Gov. Sarah Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger." The governor, who recently turned 44, told a handful of reporters as she was leaving work to expect a new member of the first family, then headed to a reception at the Baranof Hotel to feast on king crab. Palin said she's already about seven months along, with the baby due to arrive in mid-May. That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who's always been trim, simply doesn't look pregnant. Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting. "I thought it was becoming obvious," Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger." But people just couldn't believe the news. "Really? No!" said Bethel state Rep. Mary Nelson, who is close to giving birth herself. "It's wonderful. She's very well-disguised," said Senate President Lyda Green, a mother of three who has sometimes sparred with Palin politically. "When I was five months pregnant, there was absolutely no question that I was with child." Having a baby as governor has happened elsewhere, but it's rare. The former acting governor of Massachusetts, Jane Swift, in 2001 was the first governor in office to give birth when she delivered twin girls. Palin beamed as lawmakers, Cabinet members and others came by to congratulate her at the Baranof reception, a legislative event Kodiak officials sponsor annually. Her husband, Todd, was there holding the couple's sleepy 6-year-old daughter Piper in his arms. Palin said she's not aiming to take any time off from her job as governor, assuming all goes well with the pregnancy. She said when she had Piper -- Palin was mayor of Wasilla at the time -- the baby was born on a Monday and she returned to the office on Tuesday. "I've always been a believer that God's not going to give us anything that we cannot handle," Palin said. Todd Palin, a BP oil field worker currently on leave from his job, said he's thrilled to be headed toward five-time fatherhood. "I'm really excited," he said. "Every child you get from God. The more the merrier." Aside from Piper, the Palins have three other children: Track, 18, serving in the U.S. Army at Fort Wainwright in Fairbanks; Bristol, 17, a high school junior; and Willow, 13. Palin, a Republican, was elected as Alaska's first female governor in 2006 and took office in December of that year. She's kept a hectic schedule in recent days, traveling last week to the National Governors Association conference in Washington, D.C., followed by a trip to Los Angeles on Monday for a Newsweek magazine conference also featuring Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano. The magazine profiled the two in its Oct. 15 "Women & Power" issue. With Palin riding extraordinarily high popularity ratings, pundits have mentioned her as a potential vice presidential candidate. But she said Wednesday night she's "not pursuing or perpetuating it," adding, "I have no desire to leave my job at all as governor." Palin said she decided to reveal the pregnancy after she felt the signs were giving her away, like doing less running this winter and being "ravenously hungry." She's known as a fashion plate, but said she hasn't been dressing differently to cover her barely perceptible bulge. Palin noted another Alaska governor welcomed a new baby to his family while in office -- Mike Stepovich, who served as territorial governor in the late 1950s. Having kids and serving as governor are entirely compatible, she said. "To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave," Palin said. Then the expectant governor turned to greet more well-wishers. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: rwarn17588 on August 31, 2008, 12:18:05 pm quote: This is a scandal? That she didn't blab about her pregnancy? This is a waste of bandwidth, FOTD. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 31, 2008, 12:20:29 pm She bearded her 18 year old's child. Her 5th child probably belongs to her daughter. Get it?
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: rwarn17588 on August 31, 2008, 12:29:28 pm quote: Absolutely no proof, dude. Save it for scandals that are real. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: RecycleMichael on August 31, 2008, 12:33:15 pm quote: I don't disagree. At this point only two states look like they have switched for sure...Iowa and New Mexico both went to Bush but now have multiple polls where Obama is ahead. All Obama needs is one more...Nevada and Colorado seem to be the next...Bush won both four years ago and Obama is barely ahead in each and Virginia where every poll has it tied. McCain sweeps all three and he wins. You would think he would do better in the western states of Nevada and Colorado because he is from Arizona and his VP is from a western state Alaska. It will probably all come down to Virginia. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: highroadtaker on August 31, 2008, 12:35:32 pm In my opinion, there is some very strong circumstantial evidence that the 5th child is really her daughter's, but no absolute proof.
So, does it make a difference? Should we care? I'm not sure. We all know teenagers who've had babies and we know that families are the most complicated organizations, more complicated and sometimes more dysfunctional than the government! We don't wanna judge someone else's family cuz we're afraid people will start judging us. However, I do know that there are plenty of other reasons why this is a really lousy choice for McCain. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 31, 2008, 12:38:19 pm quote: Amazing how our citizens go along with our lying leaders and the lies these fools get away with....... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 31, 2008, 12:40:07 pm quote: We will see....they were making Palin out to be heroic for carrying a child through downes syndrome..... a bunch of weirdo extremists. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 31, 2008, 01:00:58 pm Here's a "sorta legitimate" Palin-Obama experience comparison:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-vs-barack-obama/ Hardly dispositive, but informative and entertaining nevertheless. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: CoffeeBean on August 31, 2008, 01:06:00 pm quote: Obama publically voiced his opposition towards invading Iraq on October 2, 2002. You can play semantics all you like, but the fact remains - when it comes to Iraq, the “inexperienced” Obama demonstrated far greater judgment than military McCain, period. I am not sure what more I need to “figure out.” Do explain . . . quote:Is placation bad? Last I checked, the ability to placate is crucial when handling complex and difficult negotiations. I suppose you might dislike this quality if you live with a black and white, us v. them mentality. The key is not that you placate, but what you give up, e.g. I would give a little to get a lot. Apparently this distinction does not exist in your world. And you say that he panders, do you have an example more egregious than Palin? quote:Legal education was of little use when John Yoo drafted a memo defining torture? Seriously? Rendition has no legal underpinning? Enemy combatants, and the flurry of Supreme Court opinions regarding detentions at Gitmo? You make my point. We have a president with no legal education, so when the DOJ says, “Hey, we can hold people at Gitmo forever and never charge them,” Bush did not have a personal jurisprudence upon which to draw. Maybe Bush would make the same decisions either way, but you cannot honestly make the argument that a legal education is of no value whatsoever. Lawyers comprise 25 of the 42 men who served as President. Explain it all you like, but you cannot ignore the numbers. quote: No, I meant "federalism," because I am curious if Palin understands the concept; whether she understands that governing on a federal level is not like governing Alaska. Propping up her state-based experience does nothing to assuage my concern. quote: And she successfully birthed 5 children (allegedly) . . . what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Also, do you understand the difference between coincidence and causation? quote: See above re: C&C. Also, is this the same city that started a divisive recall Petition over her patronage dismissals of the librarian and police chief? That city? quote: Is two years enough time to make that claim? What was Bush's approval rating in Jan. 2003? [hint: 63%, compared to 34% five years later]. Shouldn't we wait until the ethics investigation is complete? Or is that just partisan politics? quote: Not exactly. She backed off the debit cards and the rebate is simply a proposal as of June, 2008. See here (http://"http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/062208/loc_293769801.shtml"). quote: Again, please explain how this makes her qualified to lead the United States? Bush was the executive for Texas and he still botched Iraq. Just explain your rationale. That's all I ask. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on August 31, 2008, 01:22:14 pm quote: Remember, FOTD is not talking about what might be a scurrilous rumor. This devil is talking about why Sarah Palin and her husband chose to put their fifth child at risk by not delivering in Texas, delivering a speech, and taking an 8-hour flight home after her bag of water broke. This is not rumor. This is fact. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Rico on August 31, 2008, 01:56:39 pm Well now I am really confused..........
The hot one helps I guess.? Think I would have to see a little more to know for sure... [}:)] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: CoffeeBean on August 31, 2008, 02:55:30 pm Palin has the makings of a disaster. Is she McCain's Harriet Myers?
News story on Palin's inconsistancies from Trooper-Gate, here (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UojMnCgqVA") Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: CoffeeBean on August 31, 2008, 03:01:19 pm Somebody needs to keep Cindy on chain.
In response to a question about Palin's foreign policy experience (or lack thereof), Cindy offers the following: "And also remember, Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia." Clip here (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zP8uFPWxaA") Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 31, 2008, 06:31:52 pm quote: I guess you forgot about this gem from Michelle Obama. http://amboytimes.typepad.com/the_amboy_times/2008/02/michelle-obamas.html Or that she thinks America, apparently all 57 states if you ask Barack, is just "downright mean" http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/03/09/michelle-obama-s-mean-america-statement-gets-nearly-free-media-pass Yep, Cindy McCain has the diarrhea of the mouth. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: USRufnex on August 31, 2008, 06:53:52 pm quote: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=274_1203549099 There were well over 50 contests contests in the democratic primaries.... he simply mispoke. There were 50 states in the primaries plus: Puerto Rico, Guam, DC, Dems Abroad, Virgin Islands, American Samoa... People who go through the screening process for Columbia and Harvard know how many states there are, duma$$$.... but keep repeating the same lies over and over... Barack Obama is intellectually superior to Dan Quayle.... in about every way possible. I've watched him over the course of the past 10 years... can't wait for him to be President of the United States. The real reason why Republicans lie about as often as their mouths move these days..... is that the thought of going back to a Clinton tax code that might actually enable us to pay our debts, honor social security and secure medicare for generations, scares them silly. Can't wait for Joe Biden to challenge McCain's VP with this: "Governor, I served with Hillary Clinton: I know Hillary Clinton; Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine. Governor, you're no Hillary Clinton." Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: USRufnex on August 31, 2008, 07:06:23 pm quote: Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: USRufnex on August 31, 2008, 07:27:53 pm quote: Yeah, that Michelle Obama hates America..... oooh, is that Newsbusters.org and Amboy, cool... audacityofhypocrisy.com-- yeah, good stuff Maynard... mmm, good koolaid too... [:O] Michelle Obama's speech at the Dem Natl Convention http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=790hG6qBPx0 And I come here as a daughter - raised on the South Side of Chicago by a father who was a blue collar city worker, and a mother who stayed at home with my brother and me. My mother's love has always been a sustaining force for our family, and one of my greatest joys is seeing her integrity, her compassion, and her intelligence reflected in my own daughters. My Dad was our rock. Although he was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in his early thirties, he was our provider, our champion, our hero. As he got sicker, it got harder for him to walk, it took him longer to get dressed in the morning. But if he was in pain, he never let on. He never stopped smiling and laughing - even while struggling to button his shirt, even while using two canes to get himself across the room to give my Mom a kiss. He just woke up a little earlier, and worked a little harder. He and my mom poured everything they had into me and Craig. It was the greatest gift a child can receive: never doubting for a single minute that you're loved, and cherished, and have a place in this world. And thanks to their faith and hard work, we both were able to go on to college. So I know firsthand from their lives - and mine - that the American Dream endures. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 31, 2008, 07:47:25 pm quote: Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: guido911 on August 31, 2008, 07:54:52 pm quote: Oh whatever you apologist. As to your little VP challenge... Her Retort: Obama talks about Hope and Change. Is that why he picked a running mate who has been in the Senate since I was 9? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on August 31, 2008, 08:21:24 pm The VP is not being chosen to run the country unless there is a tragedy at the top. He has proven to his constituency for 30 years that he is capable of understanding the system and representing them in that system. In other words he's proven. A good balance to the change that Obama champions. He was a good choice for that function.
Can you say that about Palin? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: altruismsuffers on August 31, 2008, 08:43:22 pm "Palin plugs Romney and Paul, but not McCain" (http://"http://newsroom.mtv.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-republican-vice-presidential-nominee-plugs-romney-paul-but-not-mccain-in-mtv-interview/?rsspartner=rssYahooNewscrawler")
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on September 01, 2008, 12:28:23 pm quote: Dear Kettle, You're black. Love, Pot Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on September 01, 2008, 01:36:56 pm Talk about skeletons in the Palin family closet!
They are just starting to tumble out. FOTD can hear the wing nuts on this board now..."How dare you point out her reckless judgment (or lies and deceit depending on what truly transpired)" is an outlandish position to take. http://townhall.com/blog/g/9b3375c7-6a27-4b5e-9204-b267282a1ce1 Ask any obstetrician if a woman should even think about giving a speech then heading to the airport for an 8 hour plane ride after her water broke. The answer will be "absulotely not". The only way this would be appropriate is if she were 8 hours away from civilization and any medical care at all. If Trig is really hers then she showed amazingly reckless judgment in doing what she did. If the baby is really her daughter's then I could respect her for trying to protect her daughter but it also shows that she will resort to deception and lies to cover up a bad situation. While that may be a valid criteria for acceptance into the Bush administration it is not a trait that should be acceptable for a President or Vice President. Sleazy rumors aside, there is something to be said about a woman who is in labor boarding an airplane for an 8 hour flight. Stupidity comes to mind. This is the kind of thing that turns the religious right off. What happened to teaching abstinenece only? And at the very least, it shows very bad personal judgement, very poor decision-making under pressure, on her part. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080901/pl_nm/usa_politics_palin_dc_3 Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has announced that her 17-year-old daughter is five months pregnant. The announcement is “intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child, says the Reuters news service, which carried the first report. Say What! So the rumors were only half right. And what does that say about the Holy Rollers Damnation of Sex Outside of Marriage? Oh, There is more than meets the eye here, and it doesn't negate Palin's enormously dangerous judgement in flying back to Alaska after Her bag of water broke and giving a speech after it broke. Of course, so typically Republican, after hiding the poor girl for five months, Palin asks for "privacy." http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/01/politics/horserace/entry4404184.shtml "I want to tell you all a story 'bout a Harper Valley widowed wife Who had a teenage daughter who attended Harper Valley Junior High Well her daughter came home one afternoon and didn't even stop to play She said, "Mom, I got a note here from the Harper Valley P.T.A." The note said, "Mrs. Johnson, you're wearing your dresses way too high It's reported you've been drinking and a-runnin' 'round with men and going wild And we don't believe you ought to be bringing up your little girl this way" It was signed by the secretary, Harper Valley P.T.A. Well, it happened that the P.T.A. was gonna meet that very afternoon They were sure surprised when Mrs. Johnson wore her mini-skirt into the room And as she walked up to the blackboard, I still recall the words she had to say She said, "I'd like to address this meeting of the Harper Valley P.T.A." Well, there's Bobby Taylor sittin' there and seven times he's asked me for a date Mrs. Taylor sure seems to use a lot of ice whenever he's away And Mr. Baker, can you tell us why your secretary had to leave this town? And shouldn't widow Jones be told to keep her window shades all pulled completely down? Well, Mr. Harper couldn't be here 'cause he stayed too long at Kelly's Bar again And if you smell Shirley Thompson's breath, you'll find she's had a little nip of gin Then you have the nerve to tell me you think that as a mother I'm not fit Well, this is just a little Peyton Place and you're all Harper Valley hypocrites No I wouldn't put you on because it really did, it happened just this way The day my Mama socked it to the Harper Valley P.T.A. The day my Mama socked it to the Harper Valley P.T.A." BTW, two speeding tickets were issued to the daughter out from school sick with Mono. What was she out driving? FOTD doesn't think this is over, this women will be a nightmare which I really think the Neo-Cons deserve. Look for her membership credentials in the Seccessionist Party and AIP http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881. Just like praying for rain in Denver, and getting a McHurricain for the RNC! Follow the breast milk. She says she's breastfeeding... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Rico on September 01, 2008, 01:37:08 pm I will remain somewhat neutral until the "vetting" process has completely played out.... I suspect that will be around one week from next Tuesday.
Until then we can all enjoy a little humor now and then.? (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/rico2/geezer-and-gidget.jpg) [}:)] Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on September 01, 2008, 01:41:49 pm (http://akidabroad.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/st-obama-of-assisi.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxiG56M-eU Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on September 01, 2008, 01:56:34 pm quote: IPLAW lies awake all night long....hard to live with yourself? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: iplaw on September 01, 2008, 02:11:43 pm I smell a fart. I can tell the FauxTurd has arrived.
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on September 01, 2008, 02:15:46 pm quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RN5xbWtNSU Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on September 01, 2008, 02:23:32 pm quote: http://www.tri-cityherald.com/tih/story/299211.html Sunday, Aug. 31, 2008 Reasons to pick Palin as vice presidential running mate By REX W. HUPPKE Why Sarah Palin would be a good choice for vice president: -Offers proof positive that the only inexperience that matters is Barack Obama's inexperience. -Will ensure that no American child will ever grow up without learning to spell "Iditarod." -Her peppy, youthful demeanor will make McCain look grandfatherly rather than just old. -Will be a highly motivated candidate, as election victory would get her the hell out of Alaska. -Has degree in journalism, a surefire sign of brilliance. -Believes nothing would spruce up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge like a few hundred oil derricks. -Nearly 30 years McCain's junior, she'll open the door for him to frequently use the term "whippersnapper," thus making the candidate more appealing to octogenarians and people yelling at kids to get off the damn lawn. -Has kids named Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper and Trig. Those are some kick-donkey names. -Should easily attract disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters. As long as they close their eyes and abandon every ideological issue they've ever stood for. -Country couldn't have handled the international indignity of a vice president named "Mitt." -She's not Dick Cheney. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on September 01, 2008, 02:41:51 pm You guys are killing me! I'm laughing but I'm crying. I'm gonna go run and kayak and sort all this out. Enjoy yourselves.[8D]
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: jne on September 02, 2008, 09:22:40 am Don't forget to add the current ethics investigation to her resume.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/08/mccains_vp_pick_palin_facing_e.html Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Conan71 on September 02, 2008, 09:38:53 am quote: Stop it with the National Enquirer bull sheet already. It's making you sound even freakier and more obsessive than you already are. Your hystrionics also show a lot of us how fearful you are of your "landslide" evaporating. If you weren't worried about it, you'd be mute instead of tipping us off to your paranoid thoughts with your classless sexist attacks on Gov. Palin. You quoted yourself four times???? What a total dupe bag. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Conan71 on September 02, 2008, 09:41:31 am quote: True dat. Especially when the teleprompters are off. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Conan71 on September 02, 2008, 09:44:43 am quote: Dims didn't seem to have a problem with Arkansas Troopergate, Menagate, or Travelgate. Why the indignation now? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on September 02, 2008, 09:54:08 am quote: The Left-leaning Mainstream Press is furious that McCain actually picked someone who will help him win the Presidency. Imagine that! They are sore he didn't pick "Independent" Sinator Joe Lieberman from Connecticut for his VP. A life-long Democrat. Palin is authentic: The Real Deal. And, the GOP knows it. So, the Left-lurching Main Stream Media is desparate to destroy her before she gains traction. At least she had an unfettered hour on the public stage last Friday before the mud sliming started coming her way. They accused her of faking her last pregnancy, for Chrissakes, to cover for her daughter's alleged birth of her son, Trig. They are despicable low-lifes. I hope she and her husband invites them on a one-way Alaskan hunting trip..... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: rwarn17588 on September 02, 2008, 10:46:00 am quote: Some of the ones who've been the most critical or skeptical of the Palin pick have been people like David Frum, Ranesh Ponnuru (of the National Review), Andrew Sullivan, Charles Krauthammer, Pat Buchanan and the Republican State Senate president of Alaska -- conservatives all. There are more. So you can put away that left-wing conspiracy bong and come to the realization that there are plenty on the right as well who have enormous doubts about Palin as well. And, again, this isn't so much about Palin as it is about McCain. How is it that a candidate, who continually harps about his experience and judgment, rashly picks a veep who *isn't* experienced and isn't properly vetted? It undercuts his own strengths. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on September 02, 2008, 10:56:33 am quote: If you're referring to Lyda Green, Alaska Senate Republican leader, she and Governor Palin are old political and probably personal enemies, both living in Wasilla. Green is a professional politician, and part of the Stevens-Young-Murkowski "Good Old Boys" network. She is also morbidly obese, and does not compare well to the former beauty queen governor. Maybe you should VET your sources better..... Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: rwarn17588 on September 02, 2008, 11:02:26 am quote: That doesn't change the fact she's conservative. You haven't bothered to comment on the others. My contention stands. Your contention doesn't stand up to scrutiny. But that's nothing new. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on September 02, 2008, 11:38:14 am CASE OF THE PREGNANT LADY
A lady about 8 months pregnant got on a bus. She noticed the man opposite her was smiling at her. She immediately moved to another seat. This time the smile turned into a grin, so she moved again. The man seemed more amused. When on the fourth move, she had the man arrested. When the case came up in court, the judge asked the man (about 20 years old) what he had to say for himself. The man replied, 'Well your Honor, it was like this: When the lady got on the bus, I couldn't help but notice her condition. She sat under a sweets sign that said, 'The Double Mint Twins are coming' and I grinned. Then she moved and sat under a sign that said, Logan's Liniment will reduce the swelling', and I had to smile. Then she placed herself under a deodorant sign that said, 'William's Big Stick Did the Trick,' and I could hardly contain myself. But, your Honor, when she moved the fourth time and sat under a sign that said, 'Goodyear Rubber could have prevented this accident'... I just lost it.' THE CASE WAS DISMISSED!!!! msnbc.com: Palin disclosures raise questions about vetting... not so much her disclosures; McCain's lack of executive management & judgment... Palin disclosures raise questions about vetting A series of disclosures about Gov. Sarah Palin, Sen. John McCain’s choice as running mate, called into question how thoroughly McCain had examined her background before putting her on the Republican ticket. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26501863/from/ET/ Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on September 02, 2008, 11:55:41 am quote: There. Better. The GOP Wheeler Dealers like the Alaska Good-Old Boys claim to be Conservatives. I guess we'd need a clean definition of conservative. I don't know why or even if Commentraitors Buchanan and Krauthammer don't like the selection of Governor Palin. Liberal Camille Paglia thought it was a great selection. The Commentraitors were probably pulling for fellow Republican David Duke. He's available. Would a Federal Felony disqualify him? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on September 02, 2008, 12:02:40 pm quote: Vetting problem? Ask President George McGovern about vetting problems with his Vice Presidential candidate Tom Eagleton. He forgot to mention the Electro-Shock Therapy..... Kennedy Family VP replacement Sargent Shriver then filled out the Democrat ticket. Definitely no bounce from the 1972 Democrat Convention. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: rwarn17588 on September 02, 2008, 01:16:55 pm quote: Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on September 02, 2008, 01:35:54 pm quote: Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: rwarn17588 on September 02, 2008, 01:38:11 pm quote: Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on September 02, 2008, 01:43:45 pm quote: Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on September 02, 2008, 05:16:50 pm FB, about the time I think you're useless, you show insight and get something right. I miss the old republican party too. I was never a part of it but it was respectable.
Watched the old replays of the Republican conventions from '56 and '60. I was too young to watch then. Eisenhower was a serious dude and very intellectual while Hoover was damn alien-scary looking and practically unintelligible. Nixon was....Nixon. Knowing now what was happening behind the scenes it was more interesting than it was then. Women all had attractive little hats with netting. Fun stuff. We're so screwed either way it hardly seems worth the battle anymore. Americans are going to have to face the reality of our facade existence soon enough. Russia seems to have figured us out like Reagan figured them out in the mid 80's. We're fat, lazy, poorly educated and unprepared for the new global view of things. But we make great films! Either a financial panic or a real energy crisis might be the electro-shock we need. Oh, well back to the rat killin'. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: tim huntzinger on September 02, 2008, 05:46:58 pm Ahhhh, gotta love Buchanan: (http://"http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74137") 'For his boldness in choosing Palin, McCain deserves enormous credit. He has made an extraordinary gesture to conservatives and the party base, offering his old antagonists a partner's share in his presidency. And his decision is likely to be rewarded with a massive and enthusiastic turnout for the McCain-Palin ticket. Rarely has this writer encountered such an outburst of enthusiasm on the right.
In choosing Palin, McCain may also have changed the course of history as much as Ike did with his choice of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan did with his choice of George H.W. Bush. For should this ticket win, Palin will eclipse every other Republican as heir apparent to the presidency and will have her own power base among Lifers, evangelicals, gun folks and conservatives – wholly independent of President McCain.' THAT is why the Dems are panicking. Say, did you know she voted Buchanan in the primaries? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on September 02, 2008, 05:56:43 pm quote: Yeah, Buchanan, the master of the flip-flop. He must be teaching McCain. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZU9GGBI2jM Wonder if he's filed his medical insurance yet...that's gotta be one helluva case of whiplash. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on September 02, 2008, 07:21:58 pm quote: Wonderful that I've redeemed myself showing a critique of why the GOP brand has been damaged, principally by GWBush and the former Wheeler-Dealer GOP congressional leadership. Always glad to help. However, some philosopher once remarked that a problem recognized is the beginning of a problem solved. Don't count out the GOP for long. It's the Grand Old Party, afterall. It was the GOP lead by Illinois GOP Senator Everett Dirksen that helped deliver the 1965 Voting Rights Act to re-enfranchise African Americans. Not the Southern Segregationist Democrats. Right? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on September 02, 2008, 08:24:22 pm quote: Its okay Tim. We're going to talk you down from this. First you'll get some shivers, see some funny lights. Then you'll feel queasy as the room starts to slow down and you re-enter reality. Easy now...not too fast... Watching the convention, eh? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: waterboy on September 02, 2008, 08:28:34 pm quote: I think LBJ had something to do with it too. He personally lost the south. Funny, those Southern Segregationist Democrats couldn't wait to change their registration to Republican and support George Wallace. They raised their progeny to be Republicans too. No good deed goes unpunished. Why has Dirksen been lost and forgotten by the party? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: CoffeeBean on September 02, 2008, 09:15:50 pm What executive experience does McCain have? Is it time to switch the ticket?
Palin - McCain? Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Hoss on September 02, 2008, 11:04:03 pm Mmm...Six minutes of Palin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YadR6qNTjzU Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: Friendly Bear on September 03, 2008, 07:24:41 am quote: For some reason, it isn't mentioned much, but John McCain went on to be a naval squadron commander after he returned from the Hanoi Hilton. It wasn't immediate of course. He had to undergo more torture in the form of intense, lengthy physical therapy to return to flight status. When appointed Squadron Commander, he bossed several hundred aviators and support personnel, ensured aircraft readiness, and paid the bills. Funny that isn't being mentioned. He didn't just serve in the Navy. He RETIRED from the Navy as a captain in 1981 and, moving to Arizona, entered politics. Elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1982, he served two terms, and was then elected to the U.S. Senate in 1986, winning re-election easily in 1992, 1998, and 2004. Politics was a second career. Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on September 03, 2008, 08:45:32 am Anyone catch our Prez bragging about McCain staying in POW camp instead of taking his pass out of Vietnam.....poor judgement.
Title: It's McCain Palin Post by: FOTD on September 03, 2008, 11:20:35 am LISTEN UP.....HIGHLAREOUS!!!!!
McCain's Voice Mail to Palin Leaked to Press (Listen) http://www.236.com/blog/w/lee_camp/mccains_voice_mail_to_palin_le_8644.php FUNNY STUFF!!!!!! |