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Amazing, while everyone else seems to have been enrichened by the Senate or HOR, Joe Biden only claims $59,000 to $366,000 in net worth.

How is that possible with a $180K + per year job with some book income and teaching income.

He must not have too much fiscal sense.  Oh that's right, Obama was going to count on him for foreign policy.  "Let's start with $1 bln for Georgia, because that sounds like a nice number."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080824/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_biden_finances

Two crusty old Senators and a neophyte, so far.  Shame we don't have any better choices.

I also read that on another forum.  I find it very hard to believe that his net worth is <$366k.

That was according to documents he filed with the FEC.  While I'm sure that his personal finances have been fully dissected by the DNC before they chose him as Obama's running mate, I'm not so sure that there's not another reason for his lack of financial prowess.

Any successful person living on the east coast, providing for a family, making a respectable income, would have the basic sense to plan for retirement or at least develop a reasonable savings program for the sake of his family.

He's made an excess of 4 million dollars as a senator, and has almost nothing to show for it.  That's beyond irresponsible, that's disturbing.  Was he planning to move in with his kids when he got old?

Hillary would have turned 4 million dollars into a billion, after all she turned $10,000 into over a million in a single land deal!

What exactly does this guy add to the ticket?

i guess i don't see how this is so far fetched. Assuming he's made $200K/yr and his wife makes $75K. That's $275K/yr which is not exhorbitantly wealthy by any stretch. (Also keep in mind his wife did not work while raising their three children, so it was a one income family for around 10 years.) Assuming they have a nice house on the east coast which I'm sure cost a lot of money. Considering he has taken a train from Delaware to DC twice a day every time he went to work for the last 30 years, and I'm sure that adds up to a lot of money per year. Considering the bills he had when he lost his wife and daughter in a car crash. Considering the medical bills he incurred when he had two life-threatening brain aneurysms and was hospitalized/bed ridden for seven months. Considering the college costs of three children who I'm sure all attended very expensive universities, both undergrad and graduate school. Also considering his two failed attempts at the Presidency. We all know running for President is not cheap and Clinton showed a lot of time you have to invest your own money. Finally, considering that outside of the book deal which earned him a modest sum (compared to Obama and the Clintons), he has never really tried to make a lot of money. He does his job well and thats it. Hard to believe you're knocking a guy for not be super wealthy.

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Originally posted by Nik

i guess i don't see how this is so far fetched. Assuming he's made $200K/yr and his wife makes $75K. That's $275K/yr which is not exhorbitantly wealthy by any stretch. (Also keep in mind his wife did not work while raising their three children, so it was a one income family for around 10 years.) Assuming they have a nice house on the east coast which I'm sure cost a lot of money. Considering he has taken a train from Delaware to DC twice a day every time he went to work for the last 30 years, and I'm sure that adds up to a lot of money per year. Considering the bills he had when he lost his wife and daughter in a car crash. Considering the medical bills he incurred when he had two life-threatening brain aneurysms and was hospitalized/bed ridden for seven months. Considering the college costs of three children who I'm sure all attended very expensive universities, both undergrad and graduate school. Also considering his two failed attempts at the Presidency. We all know running for President is not cheap and Clinton showed a lot of time you have to invest your own money. Finally, considering that outside of the book deal which earned him a modest sum (compared to Obama and the Clintons), he has never really tried to make a lot of money. He does his job well and thats it. Hard to believe you're knocking a guy for not be super wealthy.

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Oh no, I'm not knocking him for being below his piers in terms of financial success, I'm just wondering where it all went.  

Sounds to me like he's had a very tough road.  I suppose that adds to the ticket.  

My comment was in terms of financial planning.  It seems that he has never taken the time to plan for his future and the unforeseen things that happen to people.

He has almost no retirement for someone with access to the worlds greatest government retirement program, and if the loss of his wife, and his medical expenses put him back, then it means that he never planned with adequate life insurance policies for his family, or took advantage of the 100% medical coverage that senators have access to.

Perhaps he spent it all on his presidential run?  

I'll look into it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm curious too, but given Biden's length of service and two presidential runs, I think the likelihood of something "shady" going on is very low. Keeping in mind that a lot of Senators basically serve until death, having a retirement plan may not be important to him. He does have a lot of money put away in various funds (http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/CIDsummary.php?CID=N00001669&year=2006).

Nope!  His net worth before his run last year (2007) was listed as between $-302,000 and $277,000 ($-25,000).

I pulled all of his personal filings back to 1995. Going back to 1995 he still posts a net worth that is about the same.

Interesting that he holds 6 life insurance policies that total less than $15,000.  Who does that, and why?

He's been standing still for a long time.

So, uh, he's not rich enough to be Veep?

I swear, with this crowd, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Is there a scenario here where the porridge would be just right for any of you Goldilocks?

According to Zillow, Biden's house cost approx $350,000 in 1996 It's listed as an 1800 sq ft, 3 bed, 2 bath house on a small lake. It appears they may have built a new house on that property as it says the house was built in 2005 and aerial does NOT look like a 3/2 1800sqft house at all. So, I'm sure a lot of the money was spent there.

EDIT: Approx 8700 sq ft.

http://www.nccde.org/parcelview/ParcelDetails.aspx?ParcelKey=30419

Who cares about rich?

I don't even care if he just likes to spend all of his money on frisbees and kool-aid, i just want to understand why a politically successful older gentleman never found it important to save any money or plan for his retirement?

Hell, I'm young, make half his income and already have more money in retirement, and a higher net worth than he does.  

Is it wrong for me to be curious about this?  I think it speaks to his character.  

With his senate retirement and his senate health care there was no need for him to have a separate retirement account.

Consider John Sullivan who basically arrived in Washington with very little net worth.

His has consistently increased, he's got several kids (still school age, I believe in private education), suffered an eye injury in an accident, supposedly flies home every week, and yet, he's got a higher net worth than Biden who has served in DC almost 30 years longer.

Sullivan showed about $37K in income in 2001 and assets of $15,000 to $50,000 in a state of Oklahoma retirement account.

2006 showed him with $250 to $500K in income-producing assets, most all in a CD at American Bank of Ok.

Sure seems important to Democrats that McCain is wealthy, but bring up the financial mis-management of the Veep on the Dem ticket and everyone gets all upset.  I mean, really how do you continue to piss away that much money every year when all your kids are out of college and you take the train to work and back every day from your modest home?

Republicans are proud of the rich and democrats are ashamed of the poor.

Joe Biden is neither. That makes him a better candidate.

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Sure seems important to Democrats that McCain is wealthy, but bring up the financial mis-management of the Veep on the Dem ticket and everyone gets all upset.  I mean, really how do you continue to piss away that much money every year when all your kids are out of college and you take the train to work and back every day from your modest home?

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Modest home? Did you read my post? And why are you automatically jumping to mis-management? Maybe he doesn't devote himself to the acquisition of wealth. He has tremendous health care and a tremendous pension through the government. There is no way to say he hasn't simply given a lot of money to his three kids. A lot of older parents give their children their inheritance before they die so they can watch them enjoy it. Who is to say this isn't what is happening? Again, he also very likely dropped a ton of money on his house in the last decade.

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Originally posted by Conan71

Consider John Sullivan who basically arrived in Washington with very little net worth.

His has consistently increased, he's got several kids (still school age, I believe in private education), suffered an eye injury in an accident, supposedly flies home every week, and yet, he's got a higher net worth than Biden who has served in DC almost 30 years longer.

Sullivan showed about $37K in income in 2001 and assets of $15,000 to $50,000 in a state of Oklahoma retirement account.

2006 showed him with $250 to $500K in income-producing assets, most all in a CD at American Bank of Ok.

Sure seems important to Democrats that McCain is wealthy, but bring up the financial mis-management of the Veep on the Dem ticket and everyone gets all upset.  I mean, really how do you continue to piss away that much money every year when all your kids are out of college and you take the train to work and back every day from your modest home?

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Ever consider Biden may have given to his children what his parents could not give to him?
The smear remarks are so disingenuous. Focus on what Biden says and then take it apart. But to just leap on his simple means and his values seems outright hostile and it looks as though you are uninterested in any change and more concerned with destructive politics. This year, kicking back politics will work.

Obama's smarter than McIdiot from all past educational records and awards.

Looks like these thread smears are done to detract from the real subject of influence, elitism, and fairness. An old brain like McIdiots seems to preferred over the character of a great American (or is he a Muslim?).

David Lazarus:
Consumer Confidential
On Rodeo Drive, the economy's booming
"Gas and grocery prices may be more than many working-class families can bear, home foreclosures may be soaring, but life is just fine at the loftiest heights of the economy."

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus20-2008aug20,0,2125829.column?page=1

""Saudi princesses," confided a saleswoman at one Rodeo Drive clothing store she didn't want named. "That's who's doing all the buying."

"The economy affects working-class people like us," Was said.

"But wealthy people, it doesn't affect them."

Barack Obama has now proven to be a great American. Joe Biden is a great American too not deserving of a petty and meaningless "average" title.

"Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl."
B.Dylan (8-27-08 Brady)

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Originally posted by Conan71

Consider John Sullivan who basically arrived in Washington with very little net worth.

His has consistently increased, he's got several kids (still school age, I believe in private education), suffered an eye injury in an accident, supposedly flies home every week, and yet, he's got a higher net worth than Biden who has served in DC almost 30 years longer.

Sullivan showed about $37K in income in 2001 and assets of $15,000 to $50,000 in a state of Oklahoma retirement account.

2006 showed him with $250 to $500K in income-producing assets, most all in a CD at American Bank of Ok.

Sure seems important to Democrats that McCain is wealthy, but bring up the financial mis-management of the Veep on the Dem ticket and everyone gets all upset.  I mean, really how do you continue to piss away that much money every year when all your kids are out of college and you take the train to work and back every day from your modest home?

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It's not that McCain is rich.  We've had lots of rich presidents.  It's that he's out of touch.

And frankly, there's no proof whatsoever that Biden has mismanaged any of his own personal funds.  Other than the fact that he's not as rich as you think he should be.

You guys are right.  Shame on me, and shame on us for even considering that Biden mismanages his money.

Now that I think about it, he simply spends everything he gets.  

This is no different than most politicians on both sides of the isle, except it seems that he carries "standard government spending polices" into his personal life.  

This makes him even more genuine in my eyes.  He's no hypocrite.  He doesn't want to just spend your money, with little or no return, he's willing to do it with his own money too.

I actually think it's refreshing to see a politician that practices what he preaches.  Joe's the real thing.

RM's comment is right,
Republicans are proud of the rich and democrats are ashamed of the poor

Conservatives will have a problem understanding this, and Liberals will celebrate it.  It's the essence of the divide.  

Beating this horse will get us nowhere.

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You guys are right.  Shame on me, and shame on us for even considering that Biden mismanages his money.

Now that I think about it, he simply spends everything he gets.  

This is no different than most politicians on both sides of the isle, except it seems that he carries "standard government spending polices" into his personal life.  

This makes him even more genuine in my eyes.  He's no hypocrite.  He doesn't want to just spend your money, with little or no return, he's willing to do it with his own money too.

I actually think it's refreshing to see a politician that practices what he preaches.  Joe's the real thing.

RM's comment is right,
Republicans are proud of the rich and democrats are ashamed of the poor

Conservatives will have a problem understanding this, and Liberals will celebrate it.  It's the essence of the divide.  

Beating this horse will get us nowhere.

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You are assuming Biden spent the money. Like a true repiglican you disregard the idea of altruism and giving.....

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Originally posted by Gaspar


Beating this horse will get us nowhere.

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You have my complete agreement on that.

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Originally posted by Gaspar

You guys are right.  Shame on me, and shame on us for even considering that Biden mismanages his money.

Now that I think about it, he simply spends everything he gets.  

This is no different than most politicians on both sides of the isle, except it seems that he carries "standard government spending polices" into his personal life.  

This makes him even more genuine in my eyes.  He's no hypocrite.  He doesn't want to just spend your money, with little or no return, he's willing to do it with his own money too.

I actually think it's refreshing to see a politician that practices what he preaches.  Joe's the real thing.

RM's comment is right,
Republicans are proud of the rich and democrats are ashamed of the poor

Conservatives will have a problem understanding this, and Liberals will celebrate it.  It's the essence of the divide.  

Beating this horse will get us nowhere.

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You are assuming Biden spent the money. Like a true repiglican you disregard the idea of altruism and giving.....

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Um, no.  I'm not a Republican, and I'm looking at his congressional financial disclosures on the FEC site.  He gave very minimal amounts to charity.  Unless you are suggesting that he gives secretly and doesn't declare it.  Tisk tisk.

2007    $1,250
2006     $800
2005     $800
2004    $1,000
2003     $800

And so on bla bla bla.

Heck, Hillary gives over a million dollars to charity every time she #arts.

Perhaps Joe does not partake in cronyism. Maybe, when offered an insiders investment by virtue of his power he decides instead to pass.

Seems to me Mr. Biden is clean when it comes to lobbyists and quid pro quo donors. This is the real problem. Many are searching for conflicts of interest. When they can't find them, they attack and smear him as average and cheap.

FOTD don't think you will find where he gives under $12,000 a year to individuals. But this devil believes Joe is authentic and not some elitist or corporate whore.

"Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your mouth,
Blowing down the backroads headin' south.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe."
B. Dylan (8-27-08 Brady)

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The smear remarks are so disingenuous.

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Wow, coming from the King of Smear himself!

Dude (FOTD)!  I never made any accusation that he was a "corporate whore" or that he was involved in anything shady.  I never made a smear against him.

I simply made an example of his finances.  He is obviously a man who does not measure success with a balance sheet.  I am sure that most of his supporters relish that.

I think is a very nice guy, a simple average joe.  He is unpretentious, and as I stated before he practices what he preaches.  

He lives the american dream as he sees it.  He has made government his life and his vehicle for success.  He is certanly at home within this nomination.  It must be very exciting for him.


http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,how_to_make_cupcakes,FF.html
Sorry, I just feel like I have to reciprocate with an equally pertinent link every time we discuss anything.

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Originally posted by Conan71

Consider John Sullivan who basically arrived in Washington with very little net worth.

His has consistently increased, he's got several kids (still school age, I believe in private education), suffered an eye injury in an accident, supposedly flies home every week, and yet, he's got a higher net worth than Biden who has served in DC almost 30 years longer.

Sullivan showed about $37K in income in 2001 and assets of $15,000 to $50,000 in a state of Oklahoma retirement account.

2006 showed him with $250 to $500K in income-producing assets, most all in a CD at American Bank of Ok.

Sure seems important to Democrats that McCain is wealthy, but bring up the financial mis-management of the Veep on the Dem ticket and everyone gets all upset.  I mean, really how do you continue to piss away that much money every year when all your kids are out of college and you take the train to work and back every day from your modest home?

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It's not that McCain is rich.  We've had lots of rich presidents.  It's that he's out of touch.

And frankly, there's no proof whatsoever that Biden has mismanaged any of his own personal funds.  Other than the fact that he's not as rich as you think he should be.

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Wealth has been equated with McCain being out of touch in the media and on here.  You know that and I know that.

Personally, I'd like to see some fiscal restraint (God only knows we have not had that the last 8 years!) in a man who could become President in the blink of an eye.  Maxed out on life insurance policy loans?  Just not what one expects to see from people who make close to $200K a year.

Arbitrarily deciding Georgia needed $1 bln in aid without giving much time to digesting the situation doesn't speak well to his fiscal responsibility.  Just keep throwing money at problems and assume that is a good solution.  Sometimes that is the best solution but more often, it is not.

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Interesting that he holds 6 life insurance policies that total less than $15,000.  Who does that, and why?

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They are most likely term policies that have no cash value.

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Interesting that he holds 6 life insurance policies that total less than $15,000.  Who does that, and why?

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They are most likely term policies that have no cash value.

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Nope, mostly whole life according to his filings.

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Interesting that he holds 6 life insurance policies that total less than $15,000.  Who does that, and why?

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They are most likely term policies that have no cash value.

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Nope, mostly whole life according to his filings.

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pancakes.  I simply do not have the capacity to understand that?  

There has to be a reason why a sane person would do that?  

Biden can't be an idiot.  Can anyone shed some light on this?

I can't remember which year it was this was in his filing info, it's on opensecrets.  I believe it may have detailed that he was paying his premiums by policy loans (or dividends).  That doesn't increase the value of the polices and actually decreases the net payout to his family when he croaks.  The amounts of the policies weren't all that high either.  It's far more economical to have one larger policy than several smaller ones from different companies.  

Maybe if I'd have voted myself quite a few pay raises over the years along with a cushy retirement and health care, I'd live like a loose financial cannon too.

I still don't get the point in bringing Biden on board unless they are thinking they can get Virginia and carry Penn. with ease this year.  There were better veep choices.  For Obama's sake, I hope he made the right choice, but I'm not thinking he did.

He has a house within a train commute of his offices in DC...  he has lived there a long time.  It is nearly 9,000 Sq. feet.  Equity in a house is part of your "net worth."

How the hell is he under $366K?

I don't really care, but it seems odd.

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Originally posted by Conan71
Arbitrarily deciding Georgia needed $1 bln in aid without giving much time to digesting the situation doesn't speak well to his fiscal responsibility.  Just keep throwing money at problems and assume that is a good solution.  Sometimes that is the best solution but more often, it is not.

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As opposed to a guy who was ready to go to war with Russia almost immediately?

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Originally posted by Conan71

I can't remember which year it was this was in his filing info, it's on opensecrets.  I believe it may have detailed that he was paying his premiums by policy loans (or dividends).  That doesn't increase the value of the polices and actually decreases the net payout to his family when he croaks.  The amounts of the policies weren't all that high either.  It's far more economical to have one larger policy than several smaller ones from different companies.  

Maybe if I'd have voted myself quite a few pay raises over the years along with a cushy retirement and health care, I'd live like a loose financial cannon too.

I still don't get the point in bringing Biden on board unless they are thinking they can get Virginia and carry Penn. with ease this year.  There were better veep choices.  For Obama's sake, I hope he made the right choice, but I'm not thinking he did.

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Love the shirts. . .

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Its quite possible he chose Biden because, I dunno maybe.....HE WOULD MAKE A GOOD PRESIDENT IN CASE SOMETHING AWFUL HAPPENED!! Not every choice in policy or personnel by a candidate is designed to bring in votes. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.

It doesn't hurt that he knows McCain well, has good rapport with his fellow senators from both sides of the aisle and could help with legislation.

It doesn't hurt that while Republicans in the late 90's were bragging about never owning a passport cause they never planned on going to other countries, Biden did. Now he actually knows where countries are, what they're called and who runs them.

It also doesn't hurt that he balances out the ticket with an age somewhere between computer savvy and computer illiterate.[;)]

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So, uh, he's not rich enough to be Veep?

I swear, with this crowd, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Is there a scenario here where the porridge would be just right for any of you Goldilocks?

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Did you expect any more from kool-aid drinking republicans pretending to be libertarian?  [;)]

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Interesting that he holds 6 life insurance policies that total less than $15,000.  Who does that, and why?

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They are most likely term policies that have no cash value.

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Nope, mostly whole life according to his filings.

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pancakes.  I simply do not have the capacity to understand that?  

There has to be a reason why a sane person would do that?  

Biden can't be an idiot.  Can anyone shed some light on this?

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Talked to an insurance guy last night.  He said he sees this a lot.  Usually in older people in rural areas.  An insurance sales person drops by and gives a presentation and they buy a small policy simply because it's hard to say no to a nice face.  Each agent that drops by reviews the existing policies and recommends a supplement to it.  

He said he also sees this in people with family members selling insurance.  They feel obligated to buy a small policy or two as a gesture.

Either Biden has a hard time saying no to sales people and just buys something to placate them, or he may have a family member in the insurance business that he felt obligated to buy from.

That's all he could think of.  Otherwise his finances don't make any sense.  

His house should appraise between $1.2 million and $1.8 million.  That means that he is holding significant debt, and most likely has multiple mortgages on his property.

Gambling problem?  Alcoholic?  Spends money like a drunken liberal?

Those hair plugs aren't cheap.

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Gambling problem?  Alcoholic?  Spends money like a drunken liberal?

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Shame on you!  That's horrible.  Completely unfounded.  

I like Biden.  He's just not very financially responsible.  He represents a lot of Americans with the same problem.  Some folks just let money burn a hole in their pockets and don't know any other way to live.

You should be ashamed of your self for suggesting otherwise.

Well, I suppose Joe Biden coulda married an heiress.... like McCain and Kerry...

Gaspar, I think you left this behind on another thread....

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Originally posted by Conan71

Gambling problem?  Alcoholic?  Spends money like a drunken liberal?

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Shame on you!  That's horrible.  Completely unfounded.  

I like Biden.  He's just not very financially responsible.  He represents a lot of Americans with the same problem.  Some folks just let money burn a hole in their pockets and don't know any other way to live.

You should be ashamed of your self for suggesting otherwise.

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Yeah, that was pretty low of me.  'scuse me while I go self-flagellate and tighten my cilise another two notches.

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Well, I suppose Joe Biden coulda married an heiress.... like McCain and Kerry...

Gaspar, I think you left this behind on another thread....

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Insurrection in a former Soviet Country...$1 bln

One bunch of BS airport security measures...billions & billions

Protracted war in the Middle East...$1 trillion

Winning elections by praying on common folk's fears...Priceless!

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Gambling problem?  Alcoholic?  Spends money like a drunken liberal?

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Shame on you!  That's horrible.  Completely unfounded.  

I like Biden.  He's just not very financially responsible.  He represents a lot of Americans with the same problem.  Some folks just let money burn a hole in their pockets and don't know any other way to live.

You should be ashamed of your self for suggesting otherwise.

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Yeah, that was pretty low of me.  'scuse me while I go self-flagellate and tighten my cilise another two notches.

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Just remember Conan, the smear and fear slash and burn technique will swing both ways. Except the democrats don't have to fabricate lies to hang on the reiglican candidates. The truth be known, they'd continue the ruin-nation we got in 2000. Devastating outcome of collapse in confidence.

Problem you have now is how do you defend McBush and what's his name veep creep?

Too many fat,happy, ignorant Americans sat silently stuffing their faces in front of big screen while a BAND OF IMMORAL, UNETHICAL THUGS FROM THE WHITEHOUSE ROBBED THIS NATION BLIND FOR ALMOST A DECADE! Now, they want to WHINE!

Whiners!

So says the king of slash, burn, and smear.

I think we may have figured out why JB has no assets to speak of, he's definitely got zero common sense on consumer finance.  Or at least he allowed MBNA to buy his common sense off.

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11144

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So says the king of slash, burn, and smear.

I think we may have figured out why JB has no assets to speak of, he's definitely got zero common sense on consumer finance.  Or at least he allowed MBNA to buy his common sense off.

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11144

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Double posting non-sense ..... stop it. You look silly. Or has your head exploded.[:P]

Ok, digging a little deeper. . .

In 1996 with a reported net-worth of about $25,000, Mr. Biden purchased a $365,000 lot in a cash transaction and started construction on a home estimated between 1 million and 3 million dollars.  No mortgage listed, also a cash transaction.  He never held anything near that balance in his bank account with the US Senate Credit Union (he had a balance less than $201 dollars).  He never held that amount in his other bank account at Beneficial National Bank in Delaware (he had a balance of less than $1,000).  He also never had that amount in any of his very modest investments.

I guarantee that if I went out and purchased over a million dollars in property with "Mystery" cash, I would have the little men in blue suites with calculators at my door.

Perhaps he's a "cash in the mason jar" kind of guy?  If so, I admire that, but it kinda goes against his liberal agenda doesn't it?  

I think i've changed my opinion about Mr. Biden.  He's a financial genius.  Not only has he figured out how to avoid disclosing his actual wealth, but he has also figured out how to avoid IRS scrutiny.  Hell, he's probably a closet Fair-Tax guy.  We could all probably learn a thing or two from him.


Nice 9,480 sq.ft. home. Lakefront.
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Gaspar, you aren't insinuating that he might have friends in the Bahamas or Caymans are you?

Shame on you for that innuendo.

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Gaspar, you aren't insinuating that he might have friends in the Bahamas or Caymans are you?

Shame on you for that innuendo.

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I am so sorry.  You are correct.  I meant no innuendo against Mr. Biden.  I seem to respect him more every day.

Please forgive.

Funny.  Public records show joe's house to be
3 beds, 2.0 baths, 1,803 sq ft.

Wilmington/Greenville should probably update thier records.

I'm sure he pays his share of property tax.  I would never imply anything to the contrary.

Way to go Joe, I like you better every day.

Stickin it to the MAN!

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Originally posted by midtownnewbie

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Interesting that he holds 6 life insurance policies that total less than $15,000.  Who does that, and why?

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They are most likely term policies that have no cash value.

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Nope, mostly whole life according to his filings.

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Look at Sinator Biden's MBNA Bank connections...

MBNA is now a Citicorp entity.  

They OWNED Biden.

They did a bent deal on his current residence when he bought the property back in the 1990's.  He bought the property from an MBNA executive, who'd owned it a relatively short time.

WAY off market sales price.  Got a deal.

Got a HECK of a price on the site of an authentic McMansion.

Great way to graft.  

Getting a WHALE of a deal on below market price real estate from a banker buddy.

Now you know where the body is buried.

Got a shovel?  Start digging.............With a little dexterity, you can bury Biden.

[:O]

If its that important it will surface. If its perceived as extraordinary graft the public will react. Each and every senator and congressman (including 'Ol Pappy) has received sweetheart deals from someone. I'll go farther, all the way down to the cop on the beat. You know that, so be prepared for a bloodbath as these two guys on the Dem side won't sit and take it this time. Our country is corrupt.

To quote a New Yorker when asked about Tammany Hall, "There is good graft and bad graft. Good graft is when you pay your borough head for a new sidewalk and you get it. Bad graft is when you pay the borough head and you don't get the sidewalk."

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Originally posted by Friendly Bear

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Originally posted by Conan71

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Originally posted by midtownnewbie

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Interesting that he holds 6 life insurance policies that total less than $15,000.  Who does that, and why?

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They are most likely term policies that have no cash value.

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Nope, mostly whole life according to his filings.

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Look at Sinator Biden's MBNA Bank connections...

MBNA is now a Citicorp entity.  

They OWNED Biden.

They did a bent deal on his current residence when he bought the property back in the 1990's.  He bought the property from an MBNA executive, who'd owned it a relatively short time.

WAY off market sales price.  Got a deal.

Got a HECK of a price on the site of an authentic McMansion.

Great way to graft.  

Getting a WHALE of a deal on below market price real estate from a banker buddy.

Now you know where the body is buried.

Got a shovel?  Start digging.............With a little dexterity, you can bury Biden.

[:O]

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FB.....Levi Johnson will kick your donkey!

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/seattlepolitics/archives/147736.asp?from=blog_last3

Levi's my space page bragged about never wanting children.....ooops! That was before the Repugs got him to yank it. Yank it and brag how he is a f*ckin' red neck. The future President's son in law. A good family picture of Dumbf*ckistan's finest family....

What a contrast to the democrats' families. Whatever happened to the Family Values Party?
Too much toe tapping?

Wasilla City Hall
http://keystoneprogress.blogspot.com/2008/09/wasilla-city-hall.html

JOE BIDEN'S ABOVE AVERAGE....WHAT'S THAT MAKE PALIN?
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/sarah_palin_at_war_with_her_daughter_over_pregnancy_wedding/celebrity/65370Keep it in perspective you repiglican supporters.....

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Originally posted by FOTD

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Originally posted by Friendly Bear

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Originally posted by Conan71

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Originally posted by midtownnewbie

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Interesting that he holds 6 life insurance policies that total less than $15,000.  Who does that, and why?

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They are most likely term policies that have no cash value.

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Nope, mostly whole life according to his filings.

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Look at Sinator Biden's MBNA Bank connections...

MBNA is now a Citicorp entity.  

They OWNED Biden.

They did a bent deal on his current residence when he bought the property back in the 1990's.  He bought the property from an MBNA executive, who'd owned it a relatively short time.

WAY off market sales price.  Got a deal.

Got a HECK of a price on the site of an authentic McMansion.

Great way to graft.  

Getting a WHALE of a deal on below market price real estate from a banker buddy.

Now you know where the body is buried.

Got a shovel?  Start digging.............With a little dexterity, you can bury Biden.

[:O]

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FB.....Levi Johnson will kick your donkey!

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/seattlepolitics/archives/147736.asp?from=blog_last3

Levi's my space page bragged about never wanting children.....ooops! That was before the Repugs got him to yank it. Yank it and brag how he is a f*ckin' red neck. The future President's son in law. A good family picture of Dumbf*ckistan's finest family....

What a contrast to the democrats' families. Whatever happened to the Family Values Party?
Too much toe tapping?

Wasilla City Hall
http://keystoneprogress.blogspot.com/2008/09/wasilla-city-hall.html

JOE BIDEN'S ABOVE AVERAGE....WHAT'S THAT MAKE PALIN?
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/sarah_palin_at_war_with_her_daughter_over_pregnancy_wedding/celebrity/65370Keep it in perspective you repiglican supporters.....

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Why would Gov. Palin's future son-in-law possibly want to "kick my donkey"??

I admire and support his future Mother-in-Law, and I support what he's doing by marrying her daughter that he got pregnant.

Case of mistaken identity?

I read that he already has a kid with another girl. I also saw pictures of the girl drinking at parties. I hope she wasn't pregnant when she was drinking.

I guess there ain't much to do in Alaska but drink and have sex.

Maybe I should organize a trip.

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Originally posted by Friendly Bear

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Originally posted by FOTD

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Originally posted by Friendly Bear

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Originally posted by Conan71

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Originally posted by midtownnewbie

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Interesting that he holds 6 life insurance policies that total less than $15,000.  Who does that, and why?

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They are most likely term policies that have no cash value.

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Nope, mostly whole life according to his filings.

---

Look at Sinator Biden's MBNA Bank connections...

MBNA is now a Citicorp entity.  

They OWNED Biden.

They did a bent deal on his current residence when he bought the property back in the 1990's.  He bought the property from an MBNA executive, who'd owned it a relatively short time.

WAY off market sales price.  Got a deal.

Got a HECK of a price on the site of an authentic McMansion.

Great way to graft.  

Getting a WHALE of a deal on below market price real estate from a banker buddy.

Now you know where the body is buried.

Got a shovel?  Start digging.............With a little dexterity, you can bury Biden.

[:O]

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FB.....Levi Johnson will kick your donkey!

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/seattlepolitics/archives/147736.asp?from=blog_last3

Levi's my space page bragged about never wanting children.....ooops! That was before the Repugs got him to yank it. Yank it and brag how he is a f*ckin' red neck. The future President's son in law. A good family picture of Dumbf*ckistan's finest family....

What a contrast to the democrats' families. Whatever happened to the Family Values Party?
Too much toe tapping?

Wasilla City Hall
http://keystoneprogress.blogspot.com/2008/09/wasilla-city-hall.html

JOE BIDEN'S ABOVE AVERAGE....WHAT'S THAT MAKE PALIN?
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/sarah_palin_at_war_with_her_daughter_over_pregnancy_wedding/celebrity/65370Keep it in perspective you repiglican supporters.....

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Why would Gov. Palin's future son-in-law possibly want to "kick my donkey"??

I admire and support his future Mother-in-Law, and I support what he's doing by marrying her daughter that he got pregnant.

Case of mistaken identity?

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He said he wanted to kick your donkey on his myspace page before it was censored up by the rethugs who control the dumbf*ckistanians.

Levi Johnston, a fine example of creationism.

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I read that he already has a kid with another girl. I also saw pictures of the girl drinking at parties. I hope she wasn't pregnant when she was drinking.

I guess there ain't much to do in Alaska but drink and have sex.

Maybe I should organize a trip.

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While you're there, organize a long walk in the deep woods.

Maybe you'll meet my hungry cousin:  GrizzlyBear.

He could feed his entire family.

[xx(]

This thread is dead.  Biden is officially old news.

No one cares.

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This thread is dead.  Biden is officially old news.

No one cares.

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You've got to lively up yourself" (B. Marley)

BIDEN: We will pursue Bushco crimes with "a fine-toothed comb"
 Biden Rips Bush Administration
September 03, 2008 7:19 AM - http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/biden-rips-bush.html


ABC News' Matthew Jaffe reports: While Republicans congregate in
the Twin Cities striving to keep their
hold on the White House,
Barack Obama's running
mate Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del.,
sharply criticized the
Bush administration Tuesday
while delineating the changes
Democrats would demand if they
rise to power.

"In an Obama-Biden administration,
we will not have an attorney general who blatantly breaks
the law," Biden said at a town-hall
meeting in West Palm Beach, Florida,
his voice at times drowned out by applause.
"We will not have a president who doesn't understand the Constitution. "

Looking to the future but with
one eye on the past, Biden also
promised that an Obama-Biden
government would go through Bush
administration data with
"a fine-toothed comb" and pursue
criminal charges if necessary.

"If there has been a basis
upon which you can pursue
someone for a criminal violation,"
he said, "they will be pursued,
not out of vengeance, not out of
retribution - out of the need
to preserve the notion that no one,
no one, no attorney general,
no president, no one is above the law."

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To quote Barry Goldwater, "Moderation
in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

To quote the former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Comm, Joe Biden, "no president
... is above the law."


http://www.prosecutionofbush.com/

The Prosecution of George W. Bush
for Murder - By Vincent Bugliosi


True patriots care, Gasper.

And Biden proves once again, he's still never had an original thought.  He could have just as easily been talking about the Clinton White House.

The perfect puppet for Obama.