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Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: PonderInc on July 23, 2008, 03:36:52 pm
I was flipping through the Beryl Ford collection online, and came upon a bunch of "Unidentified residence" pictures.  Of course, that sounds like a challenge to me...

I'm pretty sure that this one is on Utica, near 33rd...
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B7434.jpg)

Several of these look familiar to me... Isn't this on 41st between Lewis and Utica?
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B7106.jpg)

Don't know about this one, but I love it!
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/G0191.jpg)

In any case, the "unidentified residences" start on this page of the Beryl Ford Collection (http://"http://opac.tulsalibrary.org/search?/tberyl+ford+collection/tberyl+ford+collection/1,1,23072,B/exact&FF=tberyl+ford+collection&20851,23072")... you can just browse through and maybe solve some mysteries.



Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Nik on July 23, 2008, 03:40:49 pm
I know you're right on the second one. That one is almost too easy. Its right on the northwest corner of 41st & Lewis to be exact.

If you want to get really spooky, here: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=41st+%26+lewis,+74105&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.421237,68.378906&ie=UTF8&ll=36.110143,-95.958431&spn=0.012152,0.02502&z=16&layer=c&cbll=36.104255,-95.959934&panoid=DnQQgSpTF7io5ec86L7skA&cbp=2,11.391801089789169,,1,-4.5791870152473555


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Nik on July 23, 2008, 03:44:23 pm
Regarding the first one, I think you're thinking of this (http://"http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=41st+%26+lewis,+74105&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.421237,68.378906&ie=UTF8&ll=36.121376,-95.966091&spn=0.01215,0.02502&z=16&layer=c&cbll=36.115296,-95.96705&panoid=FbpB3PruX0gt_qcOwLgn-g&cbp=2,89.5160586982508,,0,2.9862971665353415") house. But, I don't think we have a match.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: FOTD on July 23, 2008, 03:50:48 pm
The top one is the Ungerman house. I could find out more but I'd be called a liar by CF.

Tulsa was a beautiful city before the trees got overgrown, the streets fell apart, and we went to a council form of government.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 23, 2008, 06:35:38 pm
Southeast corner of 14th & Carson, just east of the Carlton Place arch:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B3945.jpg)


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 23, 2008, 06:52:26 pm
South side of East 18th St, between Norfolk and Owasso Avenues:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/C1858.jpg)


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 23, 2008, 07:01:02 pm
Northwest corner of N 25th West Ave and Newton:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/E0557.jpg)


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: tulsa1603 on July 23, 2008, 07:34:09 pm
Great thread!  I love pics that show houses and how they originally looked - as an architect, I really enjoy seeing what the place used to look like.  The original owner of my house passed photos down, so I'm lucky to have some of it right after construction in 1928...then again in the 30's, 50's, 60's, and 80's.  I was hoping to see some other houses in my neighborhood but haven't come across any yet.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 23, 2008, 07:43:52 pm
East side of Terwilleger Blvd just north of 25th St:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B7036.jpg)


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: bugo on July 23, 2008, 08:10:14 pm
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B1779.jpg)

Where was this taken?  It was taken in 1962.  In 62, US 64/OK 51 made right-angle turns at 15th and Harvard, 51st and Harvard, and 51st and Memorial.  My guess is one of those 3 locations.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Conan71 on July 23, 2008, 08:39:01 pm
quote:
Originally posted by bugo

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B1779.jpg)

Where was this taken?  It was taken in 1962.  In 62, US 64/OK 51 made right-angle turns at 15th and Harvard, 51st and Harvard, and 51st and Memorial.  My guess is one of those 3 locations.



51st & Harvard, I think, as I believe Stein Mart is an old Safeway store.  What say you FOTD?


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 23, 2008, 08:56:29 pm
North side of E 6th St, east of Zunis Ave:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/D5032.jpg)


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 23, 2008, 09:16:57 pm
South Jackson Ave, south of W 13th St:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B7040.jpg)


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 23, 2008, 09:20:20 pm
West side of Denver Ave, south of 16th Place:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B7065.jpg)


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: waterboy on July 24, 2008, 07:22:59 am
quote:
Originally posted by booWorld

North side of E 6th St, east of Zunis Ave:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/D5032.jpg)



There was a another earlier view of this building before its eastern expansion and showing the multiple garages. I do believe this is the old Whisenhunt funeral home on 6th street.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: cks511 on July 24, 2008, 07:36:11 am
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

Quote

51st & Harvard, I think, as I believe Stein Mart is an old Safeway store.  What say you FOTD?




Yes that is 51st and Harvard and the reason I know that is there was a riding academy right behind it called Millerwood.  I took lessons there from the time I was five until I was fifteen.  We would ride the horses up behind the store, tie the horse to the fence and go buy a coke.  We thought that was so cool.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: waterboy on July 24, 2008, 07:51:57 am
quote:
Originally posted by booWorld

North side of E 13th Place, east of Wheeling?
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/C0535.jpg)



Looks like many houses over in Morningside which is the same period of construction. Have you noticed that the yards were not too tidy and the windows are always open? These are great memories for us boomers.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Conan71 on July 24, 2008, 08:13:32 am
quote:
Originally posted by waterboy

quote:
Originally posted by booWorld

North side of E 13th Place, east of Wheeling?
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/C0535.jpg)



Looks like many houses over in Morningside which is the same period of construction. Have you noticed that the yards were not too tidy and the windows are always open? These are great memories for us boomers.



Wow, you really ARE old...

[:P]


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 24, 2008, 11:42:19 am
Northeast corner of 5th & Cheyenne (where the Mayo Hotel is now):
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/H0344.jpg)
Source:  Beryl Ford Collection / Tulsa Rotary Club, Tulsa City-County Library, Tulsa Historical Society


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: carltonplace on July 24, 2008, 11:58:32 am
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/G0191.jpg)

Beautiful craftsman! Could this have been in downtown? What a shame that it is gone.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 24, 2008, 11:59:06 am
The Evans Apartments on the northeast corner of 6th and Cheyenne (ONEOK's wisteria trellis is there now):
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/G0199.jpg)
Source:  Beryl Ford Collection / Tulsa Rotary Club, Tulsa City-County Library, Tulsa Historical Society


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: carltonplace on July 24, 2008, 12:03:05 pm
quote:
Originally posted by booWorld

West side of Denver Ave, south of 16th Place:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B7065.jpg)



This is the "Rosen" house formerly occupied by an oil company. Currently for sale, the inside is incredible: the living room floor is hard wood laid in concentric patterns.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: JohnnyK on July 24, 2008, 05:04:24 pm
quote:
Originally posted by booWorld

Southeast corner of 14th & Carson, just east of the Carlton Place arch:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B3945.jpg)



A guy by the last name of Kinney owned it back in the late 80's. He had converted the house and the house behind it (you can see the steps going up to the 2nd floor)into apts. I lived in one of the apartments on the ground floor of the house in back. It was purchased by another family in the 90's and they converted both buildings back into houses. The house in back was a "Servants Quarters" at one time, if I remember correctly.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: FOTD on July 24, 2008, 05:12:28 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by bugo

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B1779.jpg)

Where was this taken?  It was taken in 1962.  In 62, US 64/OK 51 made right-angle turns at 15th and Harvard, 51st and Harvard, and 51st and Memorial.  My guess is one of those 3 locations.



51st & Harvard, I think, as I believe Stein Mart is an old Safeway store.  What say you FOTD?




I say the street comish back then did his job much better than our Pewbic Diswerks depotment.

Joe Creek flooded all the time and Millerwood was the main draw.

I ain't that old Conan[:X]


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: FOTD on July 24, 2008, 05:21:07 pm
quote:
Originally posted by booWorld

South side of East 18th St, between Norfolk and Owasso Avenues:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/C1858.jpg)




Suckretary of State when she lived here as a Mayor's wiper and then Mayor.....like 1985-1999.
Just a guess.....



Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: waterboy on July 24, 2008, 06:30:31 pm
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

quote:
Originally posted by booWorld

South side of East 18th St, between Norfolk and Owasso Avenues:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/C1858.jpg)




Suckretary of State when she lived here as a Mayor's wiper and then Mayor.....like 1985-1999.
Just a guess.....





I don't think so. The guy who lived here would never have voted for her either even though she was a close neighbor.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 24, 2008, 07:48:58 pm
1907 E 13th Place.  There is a Loch Ness monster type of sculpture "swimming" through the front lawn now.  The house on the left in the photo (west) was removed for an off ramp when the Broken Arrow Expressway ended just to the south of the houses in this photo.

Two doors to the west of this house is a bungalow on the northwest corner of 13th Place and Wheeling (1320 S Wheeling Ave).  It was featured in an enormous black and white photo at Tulsa's airport.  I don't know if it's on display there anymore or not.

Looking northwest:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/C0534.jpg)


Looking north:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/C0535.jpg)
Source:  Beryl Ford Collection / Tulsa Rotary Club, Tulsa City-County Library, Tulsa Historical Society


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: waterboy on July 24, 2008, 08:41:31 pm
The thing I like about the Ford pics is that they capture the feel. Maybe because they're black/white.  You can feel the heat when you see the windows wide open. No one had central air but maybe an occassional window unit by the late fifties or water cooler. You can feel the dry grass crunch under your feet. No one had weed eaters, power edgers, or even power mowers so the yards often looked a little unkempt. They had chairs on their front porches they even sat in on hot evenings. These are all things I remember when I had a paper route in the old Hillcrest edition in the sixties. Those homes were merely 30-35 years old then and still had the original owners tending them. Would be like viewing pics of homes built in the late seventies today...Park Plaza, Southern Hills, Woodland Hills etc.

Anyway, they're fun.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: citizen72 on July 24, 2008, 10:35:38 pm
Wow, that was fun. Any more?


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: MichaelBates on July 24, 2008, 10:49:57 pm
quote:
Originally posted by citizen72

Wow, that was fun. Any more?



There are a lot of Beryl Ford photos that could use more detailed identification. A while back I suggested to the library to put the collection up on Flickr, where photos could be "geotagged" and collect comments and tags. It would be great to have the Beryl Ford photos geotagged so that, when you do a Flickr map search, you could find the historic photos for a given spot.

The Library of Congress, the Smithsonian Institution, and a few other archives are already doing a pilot project using Flickr with some of their photo collections (http://"http://www.batesline.com/archives/2008/07/flickr-the-worlds-historic-photo.html"). For many photos, they have little or no identifying information, and they're hoping it will be easier for people to encounter and identify the photos on Flickr.

The Tulsa library is looking at better ways to organize and display the collection; I hope they consider this option.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Hoss on July 24, 2008, 10:55:47 pm
quote:
Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:
Originally posted by citizen72

Wow, that was fun. Any more?



There are a lot of Beryl Ford photos that could use more detailed identification. A while back I suggested to the library to put the collection up on Flickr, where photos could be "geotagged" and collect comments and tags. It would be great to have the Beryl Ford photos geotagged so that, when you do a Flickr map search, you could find the historic photos for a given spot.

The Library of Congress, the Smithsonian Institution, and a few other archives are already doing a pilot project using Flickr with some of their photo collections (http://"http://www.batesline.com/archives/2008/07/flickr-the-worlds-historic-photo.html"). For many photos, they have little or no identifying information, and they're hoping it will be easier for people to encounter and identify the photos on Flickr.

The Tulsa library is looking at better ways to organize and display the collection; I hope they consider this option.



Agreed.  There are several photos in the massive Beryl Ford collection that are marked as unknown that I can identify.  I know it's not much, but I'm sure that those few times several hundred of us could make a difference.

I have the old Tulsa World three photograph-book set called 'Tulsa Times', I think it is, with photos from the Beryl Ford collection.  Got it as a wedding gift back in 1990, if I recall right.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: mrB on July 25, 2008, 02:24:22 am
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by bugo

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B1779.jpg)

Where was this taken?  It was taken in 1962.  In 62, US 64/OK 51 made right-angle turns at 15th and Harvard, 51st and Harvard, and 51st and Memorial.  My guess is one of those 3 locations.



51st & Harvard, I think, as I believe Stein Mart is an old Safeway store.  What say you FOTD?




I say the street comish back then did his job much better than our Pewbic Diswerks depotment.

Joe Creek flooded all the time and Millerwood was the main draw.

I ain't that old Conan[:X]


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3085/2700194265_3efc85c0a3_o.jpg)

The telephone poles still match up!
I'd forgotten that was a Safeway!



Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: waterboy on July 25, 2008, 06:48:22 am
quote:
Originally posted by citizen72

Wow, that was fun. Any more?



My memories or the pics? The Beryl Ford collection is available through the library web site.

No privacy fences, (open range for kids), lots of elm trees and fruit trees. Lots of people actually slept outside during the hottest summer months. Hardly anyone locked their entry doors, which were left open. Latching the screen door was good enough. It was quieter because there were no central air units humming (attic fans were popular), expressways roaring or motorcycles. The young kids in my Hillcrest edition pretty much watched out for and took care of the old folks who let us play in their yards. We mowed for them, put medicine in their eyes, talked at length about their past, and defrosted their refrigerators.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: bugo on July 26, 2008, 02:06:06 am
If anyone can pinpoint this location, I'll be impressed.  I could probably find it if I spent many hours on Google Maps or Terraserver, but there's a good chance that this area has changed a lot.

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/A1972.jpg)


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Hoss on July 26, 2008, 06:42:40 am
quote:
Originally posted by bugo

If anyone can pinpoint this location, I'll be impressed.  I could probably find it if I spent many hours on Google Maps or Terraserver, but there's a good chance that this area has changed a lot.

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/A1972.jpg)



Just from the alignment it's possible that could be Skelly Drive at Garnett.  The east-west road is likely 11th Street.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 26, 2008, 06:45:50 am
Hoss beat me to it.  I agree:  11th & Garnett & Skelly.

The pattern of creeks and ponds looks similar to the Tupelo Creek watershed.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: bugo on July 26, 2008, 09:35:20 am
These 2 are driving me nuts...

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B9772.jpg)

Looks like US 75 and OK 117, which would mean either Sapulpa or Glenpool.  

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B9769.jpg)

Probably north Peoria.  Lewis and Memorial were also OK 11 at different times.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Hoss on July 26, 2008, 09:40:36 am
quote:
Originally posted by bugo

These 2 are driving me nuts...

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B9772.jpg)

Looks like US 75 and OK 117, which would mean either Sapulpa or Glenpool.  

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B9769.jpg)

Probably north Peoria.  Lewis and Memorial were also OK 11 at different times.



That's tough to say on the top one; I'll defer.

The bottom one almost looks like Memorial just north of Admiral, but the grade downhill doesn't look steep enough.  I'll have to defer there too.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: bugo on July 26, 2008, 09:41:05 am
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by bugo

If anyone can pinpoint this location, I'll be impressed.  I could probably find it if I spent many hours on Google Maps or Terraserver, but there's a good chance that this area has changed a lot.

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/A1972.jpg)



Just from the alignment it's possible that could be Skelly Drive at Garnett.  The east-west road is likely 11th Street.



That was my first guess, but the road on the aerial looks to be a two-lane highway.  Was Skelly originally a 2 lane highway here?

Looks like I was right about it changing a lot...


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Hoss on July 26, 2008, 09:42:23 am
quote:
Originally posted by bugo

quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by bugo

If anyone can pinpoint this location, I'll be impressed.  I could probably find it if I spent many hours on Google Maps or Terraserver, but there's a good chance that this area has changed a lot.

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/A1972.jpg)



Just from the alignment it's possible that could be Skelly Drive at Garnett.  The east-west road is likely 11th Street.



That was my first guess, but the road on the aerial looks to be a two-lane highway.  Was Skelly originally a 2 lane highway here?

Looks like I was right about it changing a lot...



Yes, originally it was, IIRC.  Earlier in the 30s, there wasn't much out past 21st to the south and Harvard to the east


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 27, 2008, 09:09:20 am
515 South Denver:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/C1831.jpg)
Source: Beryl Ford Collection / Rotary Club of Tulsa, Tulsa City-County Library, Tulsa Historical Society


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 27, 2008, 01:20:57 pm
434 North Detroit?
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/E1039.jpg)
Source: Beryl Ford Collection / Rotary Club of Tulsa, Tulsa City-County Library, Tulsa Historical Society


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 27, 2008, 02:49:51 pm
320 South Cheyenne (northwest corner of 4th & Cheyenne):
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/G0196.jpg)
Source: Beryl Ford Collection / Rotary Club of Tulsa, Tulsa City-County Library, Tulsa Historical Society



Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: booWorld on July 27, 2008, 03:06:20 pm
300 block of South Cheyenne, looking south:
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/G0194.jpg)
Source: Beryl Ford Collection / Rotary Club of Tulsa, Tulsa City-County Library, Tulsa Historical Society


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: PonderInc on July 28, 2008, 04:03:59 pm
You guys are great! I love seeing the mysteries solved...and hearing the stories about life in Tulsa "back in the day."

(I was talking to a guy recently who remembers shooting .22s with his buddies at Mohawk park back when he was a kid.)

Boo, how the heck do you know all these old houses?


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Kiah on July 28, 2008, 07:41:47 pm
quote:
Originally posted by bugo

These 2 are driving me nuts...

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B9772.jpg)

Looks like US 75 and OK 117, which would mean either Sapulpa or Glenpool.  

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B9769.jpg)

Probably north Peoria.  Lewis and Memorial were also OK 11 at different times.



I'm pretty sure the top one is Main Street (aka Hwy 75) in Sapulpa, from the south end of town, looking north toward the intersection of Taft (aka Hwy 117).  Now, there's a McDonald's and Ace Hardware there on the right.  It's not really recognizable on Google Street View today, but I recognize the photo as looking more as it looked when I was a kid.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: bugo on July 28, 2008, 09:19:07 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kiah
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B9772.jpg)

Looks like US 75 and OK 117, which would mean either Sapulpa or Glenpool.  



I'm pretty sure the top one is Main Street (aka Hwy 75) in Sapulpa, from the south end of town, looking north toward the intersection of Taft (aka Hwy 117).  Now, there's a McDonald's and Ace Hardware there on the right.  It's not really recognizable on Google Street View today, but I recognize the photo as looking more as it looked when I was a kid.
[/quote]

That was one of my first guesses, but the presence of a railroad crossing visible in the picture threw me off.  Was there once a rail line parallel to OK 117?  Looking at aerial photos, it's difficult to tell if a rail line ever ran through there.  The archive of old ODOT maps doesn't really help, because there are no Sapulpa inset maps.  Anyone know where any old local city/county maps* are online?

*Excluding this one, of course, which has been extremely useful to me:
http://www.batesline.com/archives/2007/05/1958-dx-map-of.html


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Kiah on July 29, 2008, 09:19:17 am
quote:
Originally posted by bugo

quote:
Originally posted by Kiah
(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B9772.jpg)

Looks like US 75 and OK 117, which would mean either Sapulpa or Glenpool.  



I'm pretty sure the top one is Main Street (aka Hwy 75) in Sapulpa, from the south end of town, looking north toward the intersection of Taft (aka Hwy 117).  Now, there's a McDonald's and Ace Hardware there on the right.  It's not really recognizable on Google Street View today, but I recognize the photo as looking more as it looked when I was a kid.



That was one of my first guesses, but the presence of a railroad crossing visible in the picture threw me off.  Was there once a rail line parallel to OK 117?  Looking at aerial photos, it's difficult to tell if a rail line ever ran through there.  The archive of old ODOT maps doesn't really help, because there are no Sapulpa inset maps.  Anyone know where any old local city/county maps* are online?

*Excluding this one, of course, which has been extremely useful to me:
http://www.batesline.com/archives/2007/05/1958-dx-map-of.html

[/quote]

Oh, I thought that was just an old fashioned traffic light.  If that is Sapulpa, there are no tracks parallel to 117, because there is a notoriously bad flood zone on both sides of the street, all the way up to Mission Ave. . . .


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: dioscorides on July 29, 2008, 11:41:46 am
quote:
Originally posted by bugo

These 2 are driving me nuts...

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B9772.jpg)

Looks like US 75 and OK 117, which would mean either Sapulpa or Glenpool.  



i couldn't get the picture embedded; but, here is a link to streetview:
Link (http://"http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=36.004396,-96.111403&spn=0.033398,0.062914&z=14&layer=c&cbll=35.987431,-96.1137&panoid=gTcDZXPbNzBtbf7OPKQCBA&cbp=1,357.73617567619885,,0,7.918479090098709")

you can tell the building on the left is the same.  its just white now.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: izmophonik on July 30, 2008, 02:27:20 pm
I wish I could find an old picture of my place on 1719 South Saint Louis but after about 1 hour of going through the pics...no luck.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: izmophonik on July 30, 2008, 02:47:37 pm
I did find some cool pictures of Orcutt park/lake and even the old roller coaster!


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Gaspar on July 30, 2008, 03:19:17 pm
The original owner of this home had a bit of a complex.


(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/E0226.jpg)


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: dbacks fan on July 30, 2008, 03:47:08 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kiah

quote:
Originally posted by bugo

These 2 are driving me nuts...

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B9772.jpg)

Looks like US 75 and OK 117, which would mean either Sapulpa or Glenpool.  

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B9769.jpg)

Probably north Peoria.  Lewis and Memorial were also OK 11 at different times.



I'm pretty sure the top one is Main Street (aka Hwy 75) in Sapulpa, from the south end of town, looking north toward the intersection of Taft (aka Hwy 117).  Now, there's a McDonald's and Ace Hardware there on the right.  It's not really recognizable on Google Street View today, but I recognize the photo as looking more as it looked when I was a kid.



I think the bottom one is Memorial just south of the Sertoma Club. If you look at this picture of Memorial (http://"http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=36.15949,-95.886226&spn=0.003915,0.010943&t=h&z=17&cbll=36.157468,-95.886707&panoid=u-oBFqS0CfNnAFED3YTzeA&cbp=2,179.460529202603,,0,3.202823813269089&pw=2")and look at the cracks in the road, the driveways on both sides it appears the same. The center median has been changed over the years but I think this is it.


Title: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: dioscorides on July 30, 2008, 04:33:15 pm
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by dbacks fan</i>

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Kiah</i>

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These 2 are driving me nuts...

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B9772.jpg)

Looks like US 75 and OK 117, which would mean either Sapulpa or Glenpool.  

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/B9769.jpg)

Probably north Peoria.  Lewis and Memorial were also OK 11 at different times.
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I'm pretty sure the top one is Main Street (aka Hwy 75) in Sapulpa, from the south end of town, looking north toward the intersection of Taft (aka Hwy 117).  Now, there's a McDonald's and Ace Hardware there on the right.  It's not really recognizable on Google Street View today, but I recognize the photo as looking more as it looked when I was a kid.
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I think the bottom one is Memorial just south of the Sertoma Club. If you look at this picture of Memorial (http://"http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=36.15949,-95.886226&spn=0.003915,0.010943&t=h&z=17&cbll=36.157468,-95.886707&panoid=u-oBFqS0CfNnAFED3YTzeA&cbp=2,179.460529202603,,0,3.202823813269089&pw=2")and look at the cracks in the road, the driveways on both sides it appears the same. The center median has been changed over the years but I think this is it.
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how about here for the bottom picture:
https://goo.gl/maps/JP1qkdPRsUo (https://goo.gl/maps/JP1qkdPRsUo)

i found on the DX map that was linked to that hwy 11 was Apache in 1952.  this is just west of apache and lewis.


Title: Re: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Bamboo World on June 23, 2016, 05:38:27 pm

(http://www.tulsalibrary.org/JPG/G0191.jpg)

Beautiful craftsman! Could this have been in downtown? What a shame that it is gone.


I don't think it's gone.  I'm guessing it's the house on the northwest corner of 18th and Norfolk (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1361566,-95.9791275,3a,90y,337.4h,88.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sggiYcRcrbTh1pvK-x6-tGg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).



Title: Re: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Conan71 on June 23, 2016, 10:19:12 pm
Sure looks similar, but if it is the same, there have been some modifications to the front of the house like the addition of a dormer window and changes to the brick work along the porch and removal of the balcony on the second floor.


Title: Re: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: cannon_fodder on June 24, 2016, 08:12:22 am
I was compiling all the reasons it couldn't be the same house:

The foundation brick is different
The rest of the house is now brick, it was siding
2nd floor balcony removed
Roof over the porch has been narrowed
All the decorative supports, wood work has been removed
A flat second roof was replaced with a gable
The attic vent has quadrupled in size


BUT... to really kill the issue I decided to look at the house next door. And I think it's the same damn house!

 The house we are looking in Google at was built in 1925. The house immediately to the north wasn't built until the 1950s, so it wouldn't appear in the background to the right of the old house - and that space is blank in the old picture.  The house next door to the west was built in 1913. (http://www.assessor.tulsacounty.org/assessor-property.php?account=R25025921208500&return=close) And there is a house to the west in the old picture too.

We can't tell that much about it - 2 stories, sided not brick, 3 part brick chimney, and a roofline that cuts back into the house when level with the ground. If the house next door to the Google house can be rulled out - then the Google house and the old house are not one in the same. But I think they are...

Chimney: Initially I thought the chimney seals the deal as a NO. But then I went back in time on street view and a ways down the street. a new chimney has been built along side the old chimney. The old chimney is a brick chimney with 3 exit ports on the top. Just like the photo (you may have to zoom in):
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1361565,-95.9795938,3a,19.5y,10.21h,104.75t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3SmyKO1Yo_Yuk7CRzpAvsg!2e0!5s20110701T000000!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1361565,-95.9795968,3a,62.4y,17.99h,109.88t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suuYR6knTs-IqIj_qsvS_Tw!2e0!5s20140401T000000!7i13312!8i6656

The other element that was interesting was the roofline. It cuts back in sharply as an architectural element. And it certainly appears the neighbor house still does this today:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1361566,-95.9792248,3a,19y,320.82h,96.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8fsFMxfZAZ8N-iSyYpeJ1w!2e0!5s20140401T000000!7i13312!8i6656

The neighbor house has had a lot of changes and an expansion towards the house we are looking at. But it sure fits.

Same Chimney. Same roofline. Same pillars. Same porch. Same concrete cap on brick pillars. Same windows. Same number of steps on the porch. Same lot orientation (and both a corner lot). Sidewalk same distance from road. Driveway is in the same place. Ten years ago there was even a pine tree in the same place a tiny pine tree stands in the old photo (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1361566,-95.9791181,3a,75y,339.09h,93.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sF1N86CJqf1UG9J_axYsbGA!2e0!5s20071101T000000!7i3328!8i1664) (not that it has to be the same tree). Some odd details are even the same (note under porch roof there is a beam going from the last pillar to the wall, its int he exact same place even though the roofline of the porch ceiling has moved).

I'm saying its the same house.

It was driving me crazy.


Title: Re: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 24, 2016, 08:40:57 am
If it is, it's a real shame they screwed it up so bad over the years.  The original was much nicer looking house.



Title: Re: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Bamboo World on June 24, 2016, 11:57:30 am

It was driving me crazy.


What was driving you crazy?


Title: Re: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Townsend on June 24, 2016, 12:15:58 pm
What was driving you crazy?

He stuffs wooly bears down his pants.  It's a thing.


Title: Re: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: carltonplace on June 24, 2016, 01:57:00 pm
Its the same house, but it's not the same at all. The old craftsman detailing was appealing, the new brick pseudo tudor treatment is not.


Title: Re: Unidentified Beryl Ford Photos
Post by: Conan71 on June 24, 2016, 03:15:02 pm
Its the same house, but it's not the same at all. The old craftsman detailing was appealing, the new brick pseudo tudor treatment is not.

They probably did it when 1920ís craftsman was soooooo passe, and tudor was all the rage.  Just wait until the Tuscan make-over.