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Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: RecycleMichael on June 28, 2008, 08:04:08 pm I thought that the ballpark needed a new thread because the other was months old and there had been a lot of new stuff announced recently.
Here is the Tulsa World story with more of the financing details and a link to the slide show of renderings provided by HOK architects. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080627_11_hr05082 Here is the HOK website of the arenas they have had a part in creating... http://www.hoksport.com/arenas/ Here is their list of stadiums they are part of... http://www.hoksport.com/stadiums/ This is going to be the most famous baseball stadium in the world...the new Yankee Stadium... http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/future/YankeeStadiumII.htm These guys are the best in the business. I always thought it was cool that we hired Pelli to do the arena. These guys look like they are in his rare class in this type of work. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: booWorld on June 28, 2008, 08:38:03 pm Interesting work, and did anyone else notice the skyline view from the Minnesota Twins new ballpark (http://"http://www.hoksport.com/images/hok_sport/sportprojects/twins/main_2.jpg")?
(http://www.hoksport.com/images/hok_sport/sportprojects/twins/main_2.jpg) Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: TheTed on June 28, 2008, 10:24:08 pm Here are the minor league baseball stadiums they've done.
http://www.hoksport.com/projects/portfolio_milb_all.html (http://"http://www.hoksport.com/projects/portfolio_milb_all.html") Some of the more impressive ones: Auto Zone Park in Memphis (http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9523/main1hp0.jpg) Isotopes Park in Albuquerque (http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1710/18ja0.jpg) (http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3940/11pn2.jpg) Dow Diamond in Michigan (http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/7871/539086731d108dd0decmn2.jpg) Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: cdowni on June 29, 2008, 08:17:24 pm i hope whatever they do will be modern and fresh. what we don't need is a new ball park that is trying to look old. if we are going to build a new ball park it needs look new.
Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: Gaspar on June 30, 2008, 06:49:42 am Always bothers me when a city like Tulsa goes outside of it's gates to pay for design services, when there are hundreds of experienced and capable Tulsa architects banging at the door.
So, instead, we just become another HOK project on the wall up in Kansas City, rather than creating something unique and having the pride to say "This was designed by an Oklahoma Architect." I think Kansas City will be very proud of this design! It's nice. Oh well, too bad. [:(] Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: sgrizzle on June 30, 2008, 07:19:55 am I'm all for supporting local businesses but I also think on a project this $ize we should look to someone with expertise in this area.
Keep in mind that Pelli was the "chosen architect" for the BOK Center but he was largely just the concept guy and a local firm has been handling a large amount of the work. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: cannon_fodder on June 30, 2008, 08:25:42 am Over the weekend I read several articles on the new ballpark. It is well publicized that the park will be about 50% private donations. They never even postulate who or why that $30,000,000.00 in private money is coming from.
I don't want to start complaining about it, I'm a big fan. But if they were with no strings attached wouldn't they generally be yelling it form the rooftops and basking in their altruism? at very least, don't you think the paper/news would ASK who the/these donors are? I know I'm curious. ALSO, what of the old stadium? (again, I think I'm a fan of the plan, but these issues should be addressed) Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: just_like_new on June 30, 2008, 08:41:27 am quote: While I am really happy with the new arena, I still think it is a shame that it doesn't integrate more of Tulsa's historical architectural elements. Wouldn't it be great if the new stadium included a few hints of art deco? Greenwood is full of so much history. I think another modern building like the arena would look jarring. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: sgrizzle on June 30, 2008, 09:04:19 am quote: It's an erector set, fold it up and install it somewhere else. Give it to Jenks as a consolation prize. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: chlfan on June 30, 2008, 09:48:55 am quote:ouch!! And, maybe the County will try to land some HS tournaments, playoffs? I wish TU would field a baseball team again. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: Hoss on June 30, 2008, 09:50:37 am quote: You meanie...+10 Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: SXSW on June 30, 2008, 09:55:32 am quote: Someone told me SemGroup will be a major donor, and that it would likely be called SemGroup Ballpark. Not sure how true that is though. QuikTrip, Williams, and ONEOK come to mind as other local companies that could be donors. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: sgrizzle on June 30, 2008, 11:30:08 am Oneok Field at SemGroup park with the Williams Premium Level and the Kaiser Family Funzone.
It's like Nascar! (I'm kidding) Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: Gaspar on June 30, 2008, 11:45:39 am quote: That's not that big of a project. Too large for the company I work for, but not too large for Sparks or any of the other big A/E firms in Tulsa. Additionally if several firms work as a team (frequently done on large projects) It would be fantastic. A stadium is a known formula. You know the programming, traffic flow, the estimated capacity and how all of the systems work. Stadiums and ball parks are also a very profitable endeavor for architects (that specialize in such structures) because the skeleton stays the same, all you have to do is scale it and throw a pretty face on it. This is not a unique structure like BOK. Not even in the same ball park (no pun intended). This is more or less a glorified High-school Baseball Park. Far to small to ever attract more than a farm team, and far to expensive for a farm team. I don't really understand the 60 million dollar price tag. That means HOK's fee is about $4.5 million. Would just rather see that money go to a local firm and have the pride in an Oklahoma ball park with some classic Tulsa architecture. Don't get me wrong. HOK is a fantastic firm with a fine pedigree, and this is a great little project for them. I will support it. I think it's great for the Drillers and for Tulsa, I just think it could have been much more, cost much less, and for posterity had more significance than just another HOK stamp. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: booWorld on June 30, 2008, 12:06:48 pm quote: A few years ago, the OU Urban Design Studio did a very interesting study for a downtown ballpark project. I'd like to see some of their ideas incorporated into the design. There are many talented designers right here in Tulsa. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: chlfan on June 30, 2008, 12:23:21 pm Just curious, how does that area of town handle heavy rains? (drainage/storm sewer wise)
Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: Friendly Bear on June 30, 2008, 12:52:49 pm quote: HOK Sports were the Pied Pipers that lead the voters into approving the original "MAPS" sales tax concept for Oklahoma City. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: TulsaSooner on June 30, 2008, 12:56:36 pm Yes and that has worked out horribly for OKC.
Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: sgrizzle on June 30, 2008, 01:45:36 pm quote: I just re-read it and it looks like the same stuff HOK has done in the past. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: SXSW on June 30, 2008, 02:26:13 pm While the orientation of some of the buildings (at least right now) leaves something to be desired, I like the overall design of the OSU-Tulsa campus. The brick is indicative of buildings in the surrounding Brady/Greenwood area while you'll also find Deco influence in the details, like at the windows, the roofline, and this fountain:
(http://system.okstate.edu/images/tul-campus.gif) Something like that design that merges brick and Deco, with lots of glass, would look really slick in Brady. It would go with new arrivals in Brady like Wallace Engineering's HQ and KOTV's new digs... (http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/images/8134343_BG2.jpg) Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: Gaspar on June 30, 2008, 02:31:52 pm quote: It is. They have canned presentations ready to pull off the shelf. Not that there's anything wrong with that. They have a process that works very well for them. Just don't feel like you're special. [:O] Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: mrB on June 30, 2008, 02:42:33 pm quote: QuikTrip already has a ballpark! QT Buys Naming Rights to Texas Minor League Stadium (http://"http://www.tulsabusiness.com/article.asp?aID=615308702.3682498.612586.2892135.8304606.731&aID2=47113") Tulsa Business Journal Staff 4/16/2008 (http://airhogsbaseball.com/cache/SL270437.jpg) (http://"http://airhogsbaseball.com/images/StadiumandFieldPics/SL270437.jpg") (http://airhogsbaseball.com/cache/06210809.jpg) (http://"http://airhogsbaseball.com/images/stories/Gamepics/06210809.jpg") more stadium pics >> (http://"http://airhogsbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=14&Itemid=72") Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: EricP on June 30, 2008, 03:34:08 pm lol.. looks like the guys at quiktrip park have seen the wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man!
http://www.wackywavinginflatablearmflailingtubeman.com/ Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: PonderInc on July 01, 2008, 04:36:53 pm quote: If you've ever walked or biked to downtown from the river, you know that it's very much UPHILL. I don't know about the storm drains or the tricks of designing a "sunken" ballpark, but I never really worry about flooding downtown. Even with all the surface parking lots contributing to runoff, I've never had a problem downtown. (Except that one December when a broken water main caused a blackout of the entire CBD!) I do remember one time when we had a flash flood, and the trains had to stop on the tracks near Boulder b/c the tracks in that location were totally submerged... Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: booWorld on July 04, 2008, 07:23:43 am quote: Gaspar: Who are "they"? Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: swake on July 04, 2008, 07:46:25 am quote: HOK Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: inteller on July 04, 2008, 08:25:36 am SO I guess when this is built they'll be calling it QuikTrip Park...or will they be truely lazy and just let it be named BOk Park?
Would someone please de-annex downtown so it can be called Bokville? Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: swake on July 04, 2008, 09:12:08 am Semgroup Park
Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: OSU on July 04, 2008, 09:44:06 am Inteller- whenever I read one of your posts I always get an image in my head....
this picture(http://grueskin.net/mc/Birgen-tantrum.gif) Am I alone in this? I personally wouldn't mind it BOK sponsored everything downtown, if they have the money to dole out we could rename the streaks bok Boston, bok Cheyenne, and so on. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: rwarn17588 on July 04, 2008, 10:47:56 am quote: No. Although I also picture inteller being forcibly dragged to a psychiatrist's couch. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: TheTed on July 04, 2008, 12:15:44 pm HOK also did the new Northwest Arkansas ballpark. Kind of a cool park. It definitely does not follow the retro trend.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3138/2522592397_ecef1a6c71.jpg?v=0) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3048/2425337753_4340f516f9.jpg?v=0) (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2282/2412486230_ee870015fc.jpg) Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: tshane250 on July 06, 2008, 12:35:57 pm quote: I went to a ball game there a couple of weeks ago. It is indeed a nice ballpark, but is currently in the middle of nowhere. That is sure to change soon though. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: inteller on July 06, 2008, 12:38:55 pm Ah yes, Arvest Ballpark....the BOk of NWA. I see a definite trend developing.
Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: cannon_fodder on July 07, 2008, 08:03:01 am quote: My neighbor actually went to that park for the 4th. A huge baseball fan (goes to the Allstar game every year) who has been to tons of stadiums... he says it is one of the nicer stadiums around for any league. Not impressive in size but... And Inteller, if you don't like QT and BOk sponsoring everything you could step up. Ye ole' put up or shut up routine. But thanks again for your helpful input. "I hate Bok." - Inteller in Grumpy Smurf's voice. I can't figure out how you've survived to middle age being this unhappy. Figured you would have ended it by now. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: Renaissance on July 07, 2008, 11:12:02 am I was at (current) Drillers Stadium for the fireworks on the 3rd. There probably 10,000 people in the stands. It was really crowded in the concourses--no question why Chuck wants more space for people to hang out.
Kind of a shame the footprint and overall seating capacity is going to be so much smaller, though. I ran into one of the people involved in the new one and voiced that concern, and his response was basically, there's something to be said for a ticket that's hard to get--creates buzz and demand. I guess I understand that, but given the additional draw of a new venue downtown, seems like they could have shrunk it from 11,700 to 8,200 and been just fine, and it wouldn't sound so small. It's not like you can cram people into berm seating . . . anyway, that's really my only complaint. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: RecycleMichael on July 07, 2008, 11:24:10 am I went to the Drillers game on Saturday for the free baseball card sets. It was also 50 cent hotdog night. I saw cannon fodder (and cannon mudder and cannon family) there.
There is something special about a baseball game. My kids would never watch a single inning of a game on television, but don't want to leave the games at Driller Stadium. We have been to about a dozen games together this season (and me a few more without them) and I have to say they have all been great. Some of the best parts is running into all the people you know and meeting new folks as well. The ballpark is a great community gathering place. We are probably going back Tuesday night for Two Dollar Tuesdays. Where else can a family have so much fun for so little cash? Thursday the 15th is free ticket night from Reasor's and two weeks later is free ticket night from Arby's. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: cannon_fodder on July 07, 2008, 12:01:43 pm Driller's Attendance:
July 3rd: 10,096 July 4th: 6,537 July 5th: 3,140 July 6th: 2,401 Source: Driller's team statistics (box scores, bottom of page) http://tulsa.drillers.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_sch&cid=260&sid=t260&stn=true In 2007 we averaged 4,485. 5th in the Texas league and 69th in all of Minor League baseball. (Wichita averages just 1800, Frisco is over 8000... OKC Redhawks are around 770): http://www.ballparkdigest.com/features/attendance_by_average_overall_2007.html While I have the zeal for a large stadium, I'd say smaller is a better way to go. Just like TU football, the odd large crowd game is not worth the extra expense of construction. The Driller's have many more games under 4K than over 8500 (estimated capacity with berm). The overall atmosphere will be much better with the small stadium. Like Tulsa Football, I hope we have the problem of "where to put more seating" instead of worrying about having an empty stadium (see, e.g., Rice). Few things are sadder in athletics than an empty stadium. Rice Stadium on game day: http://www.photodave.net/2006album/09sep/rice06.jpg - - - Side note: I happened to sit right next to RM and didn't notice him. We caught up on our gossip and traded stadium opinions. A good time was had by all. Also, Marshall needs to have a "ball park brew." They serve CHOC at Driller's games, which is good, but downtown Tulsa will need Marshall. [;)] Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: Renaissance on July 07, 2008, 12:38:04 pm I just don't think anyone is taking into account the renewed enthusiasm a new stadium will bring. As we've discussed, it's not the team itself that brings the fans--it's the ballpark experience that RM describes.
I don't know how much the 89er/Redhawk attendance jumped when the team moved to downtown OKC, but I'm thinking it was about 25%. I'm not trying to second-guess Lamson, but I really think Tulsa will fill a lot more seats than it does now, once those seats are downtown. Also - I doubt they'll be able to cram 2200 people into berm seating. It's just hard to get folks to sit right up against each other on grass. But I guess we'll find out. Anybody know what is being provided in the way of accomodating long-term expansion? Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: RecycleMichael on July 07, 2008, 12:48:56 pm The new stadium will also have lots of luxury boxes. Those should be easy sales to downtown businesses wanting to intertain.
The current ballpark only has a few. They hold sixteen people each and go for 800 bucks. You get your own menu of everything in the ballpark and a waitress every inning. It is like having a nine course meal. Start with some peanuts and cracker jack, hit the brats or philly steaks in the middle and then close the game with a couple of different ice creams or cotton candy. It also includes your own keg of beer. I heard the new stadium was going to shoot for 32 luxury boxes. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: cannon_fodder on July 07, 2008, 12:57:48 pm Floyd, I believe the berm seating reflects the "hang out" crowd also. As you suggested, many people go and just hang out. So the availability of "seating" may not be that big of a concern (RM pointed out the same with the OU/OSU game).
Also, a 25% jump will see ~5500 per game. Still leaving seats open at most games. At the games that are sold out, and then standing room only... it could actually be a hot ticket. Encouraging season tickets, advanced sales, and other positives for the club. But I am curious on the possibility of expansion. Always wise to at least consider it. FYI, the AT&T Bricktown Ballpark seats 13,000 and is usually at just 60% capacity. Even with good attendance (7700, 8th best in minors) the stadium looks empty most game days. I guess I'd rather have a stadium a little too small and seem overly busy, than the other way. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: AVERAGE JOE on July 07, 2008, 01:06:35 pm quote: The current stadium is generally regarded as being too large. It's the largest in Double A ball, if memory serves me correctly. A stadium with 6500 permanent seats plus room for +/- 2000 more in the berm seating sounds just about right to me, especially with the additional luxury suites, party deck, kids playground, picnic area overlooking the field, etc. Title: New Driller Stadium architects Post by: Renaissance on July 07, 2008, 01:15:41 pm quote: Yeah, I know. I actually worked there for several summers pitching peanuts and schlepping cokes in the stands. 11700 is generally too much. I think I'm just skeptical of the berm seating. I'd vote for bleachers instead. Also, I understand it's actually an issue of footprint size--the Archer and Elgin site simply limits how many seats can go in. My main fear is still that they're building too small. I wonder if Bedlam baseball will continue to play a game in Tulsa, and I know that the Big 12 tournament is out of the question. Still, I drove the area over the weekend, as did some late-night sampling at Tiny Lounge (freakin' great patio) and Arnie's (forgot what a great pub that was). It's going to be fun--can't belive it's only two years off! |