Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: Gaspar on May 29, 2008, 11:56:46 am We tried Vista on a few computers here at the office and abandon it for the old XP. Anyone else drop the Vista?
http://www.fool.com/investing/value/2008/05/29/microsoft-is-officially-out-of-ideas.aspx I'll have to watch Microsoft stock today after this article. A lot of people get advice from the Motley Fool. Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: Conan71 on May 29, 2008, 12:04:50 pm I have had strange "black-out" lock-ups pretty consistently with my new laptop. I did not know until this morning I didn't have SP-1. Insult to injury: the computer locked up while downloading SP-1.
I'm wishing we would have dropped a little more money to get a new machine w/ XP on it. There are still some out there. Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: Gold on May 29, 2008, 12:16:11 pm I have the new Word on my computer at work. Nothing but needless updates on it -- it has taken me weeks to find all the features I need. I don't understand why they need to reinvent the wheel.
Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: EricP on May 29, 2008, 12:16:57 pm Vista Business 64 is running fantastically on my new desktop.... (Core 2 Quad 9450, 8GB ram, 2x640GB HD's, 8800GTS 512m.) I would suspect any problems you are having are most likely related to drivers. I had to download some updates to get SP1 to install and it didn't like my old old DVD drive (possible DMA mode problem, it's that old) but other than that it has been flawless.
I've run 3dmark vantage, team fortress 2, video encoding across all 4 cores, file and printer sharing, multiple users, etc on it and all is working perfectly. I researched availability of Vista64 drivers for every piece of hardware before building. Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: citizen72 on May 29, 2008, 12:34:15 pm Took off all our machines and will avoid it in the future. Piece of junk for Cad uniformity.
Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: Gaspar on May 29, 2008, 12:36:35 pm quote: It's a resource hog and from the looks of your setup, you are certanly not lacking for resources! [:D] Nice Hotrod! Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: patric on May 29, 2008, 12:40:30 pm quote: The 64-bit Vista will not accept any drivers that have not been blessed (signed) by Microsoft - period. For many, that means a lot of their favorite hardware wont run, not just "old" stuff, but the webcam you bought mom for mothers day, etc. There were some workarounds, but a soon as Microsoft would learn about them they would issue a "patch" to close the hole. Safe Mode (press F8 at each bootup) is currently the only way to use non-blessed drivers. Gates is forcing migration to Vista by halting support for XP in the immediate future. From there, XP is expected to just "fall apart" (perhaps with the help of a few parting "patches"?) We'll see. Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: intoxhog on May 29, 2008, 03:06:17 pm quote: $$$$$$$$ Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: cannon_fodder on May 29, 2008, 03:20:16 pm I have heard nothing good about Vista. I never made the switch. I waited 6 months to go from Windows 3.11 to Windows95. About the same to Windows 98. Jumped on Windows NT2000 ASAP and ignored XP for over a year before getting on board (SP2).
Thus far, I have no inclination to move my business nor my computers to Vista. Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: RecycleMichael on May 29, 2008, 04:53:57 pm Computers allow a person to make mistakes faster than anything else on Earth, except maybe tequila.
Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: bigdtottown on May 30, 2008, 08:56:23 am OK...it's the EricP's of the world that drive me nuts[:D]
What about the rest of us poor schmucks that barely know how to hook up a printer? I'm kidding, a little since I am relatively competent with PCs but I really admire those who have a solid understanding of them. My point is I think they have a long way to go before being considered TRULY easy to use. Can you imagine if new cars were as buggy as PCs? Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: sgrizzle on May 30, 2008, 09:14:02 am quote: Don't know if this is true or not, too lazy to look. Funny either way: quote: Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: bugo on May 30, 2008, 09:47:45 am quote: Imagine how it would fly it it were running XP. Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: EricP on May 30, 2008, 02:55:21 pm quote: Trust me.. it flies. After using XP for 5 years it was time for something new. I like a lot of Vista's new features and even the graphics goodies. If you have 900 billion programs like I do, the search bar is AWESOME. Even works for random files or pictures i have stashed off somewhere, it saves me tons of time. Right now the eye candy kinda makes me wanna stay in windows and mess around... but I usually do get lured off to play Team Fortress 2, since after SP1, Vista does officially match and sometimes outpace XP in gaming. I hadn't heard anything about problems with non-signed 64-bit drivers, in fact the first display drivers I installed weren't signed because they were Beta and I had no problem with them. Vista isn't for older PC's, that's for sure. But if you are building a new one that is remotely performance oriented I would be using it. Companies have always had to update drivers frequently in the past and Microsoft released Windows 95, 98, ME, 2000 and XP in quick succession and nobody pissed and moaned then. It was more than 5 years between XP and Vista, yet nobody wants to fix their crappy drivers for it. People think it is a resource hog because megafetch or whatever uses your unused memory to cache programs for faster load times. Wouldn't you rather use that memory rather than idle it, so long as it gives it up? :) Personally I think incompatibilities and crashes have nothing to do with Vista, it has to do with users not wanting to upgrade and not creating the demand for software makers to get off their duffs, so it starts the cycle of making Vista popular to hate. I am hard to please and I love it. Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: EricP on May 30, 2008, 02:57:07 pm quote: I saw the new office on some laptops here at work and it looks like they have replaced the 900 trillion toolbar eyef#$!@ with a neatly organized tabbed system. I haven't gotten my copy yet but it sounds like a huge improvement and a good idea to me. Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: mrhaskellok on May 30, 2008, 06:44:48 pm <<< Happy Vista user, no problems. Love the look and extra features.
(Dell Inspiron 1420 4gig Ram, 220 gig hd, Intel Core 2 Duo T7500 @ 2.20ghz) Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: JoeMommaBlake on May 30, 2008, 11:40:21 pm I like my vista...and I use my laptop almost abusively.
I'm never going back....and I'm never buying a Mac. Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: godboko71 on May 31, 2008, 10:52:04 am I have two laptops and two desktops with Vista and two desktops with XP, I am more productive on Vista then XP. Thing is though I checked drivers and hardware before I chose Vista. That is the big thing, guess what when XP came out everyone had the same issues, the media just didn't cover it as much because it happens on ever new OS released on the Intel plug and play type of system configuration.
The only reason Mac doesn't have that issue one there main hardware is they control it 100%. Title: Bad News for Gates Post by: Hoss on May 31, 2008, 10:05:51 pm The problem has nothing to do with Vista and it's disallowing of qualified drivers; MS gave vendors two years of beta and preparedness for Vista back when it was actually codenamed Longhorn. Most of the vendors didn't comply by the RTG date.
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