The Tulsa Forum by TulsaNow

Talk About Tulsa => Other Tulsa Discussion => Topic started by: sgrizzle on May 13, 2008, 08:34:10 pm



Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: sgrizzle on May 13, 2008, 08:34:10 pm
Chrysler is running a promotion where if you buy or lease a new Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep they give you a gas card to use at the pump. No matter what the pump price, it charges you $2.99 a gallon for the first 3 years (up to 12,000 miles worth of gas or diesel per year)

This is an interesting way of motivating car sales in the face of raising gas prices. Will it have an effect?

http://www.chryslerllc.com/en/refuel/


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: Wrinkle on May 13, 2008, 09:58:30 pm
Paid $3.59/gal for lowest grade E85 at QT today.

The Chrysler thing will work, at least to depleat their current line of autos. Buys time to adapt.

Pretty good marketing move on their part, iyam.
But, don't know the particulars as to limits.



Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: Conan71 on May 13, 2008, 10:39:59 pm
I just barely caught that on the tube tonight.  What's the fine print say?

I mean that could get real expensive for them if gas gets to $7 or $8.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: swake on May 13, 2008, 10:47:04 pm
The price of oil is way too high right now, there's a lot of pure emotion and speculation driving the price.

I would look for oil to be back in the $80 to $90 range in 6-12 months with the price of gas back to something like the $2.25 to $2.50 range. Chrysler has to know this and this promotion is not really going to end up costing them much.



Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: Hoss on May 14, 2008, 12:15:40 am
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle

Paid $3.59/gal for lowest grade E85 at QT today.

The Chrysler thing will work, at least to depleat their current line of autos. Buys time to adapt.

Pretty good marketing move on their part, iyam.
But, don't know the particulars as to limits.





Don't think QT sells E85....or....do they????  [xx(]


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: YoungTulsan on May 14, 2008, 01:07:08 am
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle

Paid $3.59/gal for lowest grade E85 at QT today.

The Chrysler thing will work, at least to depleat their current line of autos. Buys time to adapt.

Pretty good marketing move on their part, iyam.
But, don't know the particulars as to limits.





Don't think QT sells E85....or....do they????  [xx(]



Most likely a mistake due to all the ethanol threads lately.  QuikTrip gas is 10% ethanol, which could be referred to as E10.  In my opinion, it is essentially watered down product deceptively sold as real gas.

E85, of course, is actual ethanol fuel, which "Flex fuel" cars can use.  It has 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline.  Odd that it still requires 15% gasoline to function, if ethanol is supposedly such a good source of energy isn't it?

And if you think E10 gets bad performance, it is nothing compared to E85.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: TUalum0982 on May 14, 2008, 08:25:33 am
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

Chrysler is running a promotion where if you buy or lease a new Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep they give you a gas card to use at the pump. No matter what the pump price, it charges you $2.99 a gallon for the first 3 years (up to 12,000 miles worth of gas or diesel per year)

This is an interesting way of motivating car sales in the face of raising gas prices. Will it have an effect?

http://www.chryslerllc.com/en/refuel/



here is what their website says....

"Using a special card, program participants pay $2.99 per gallon for a maximum number of gallons (which varies depending on model) of unleaded gas or diesel fuel in each of the next 3 years. So no matter what the price at the pump says, you'll never have to pay more than $2.99/gallon."

I read an article on cnn or foxnews (cant remember which) and an anaylyst said it would only amount to 350-400 dollars to the average consumer.  IMO not really worth it, but I am sure alot of people will take advantage of it.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: inteller on May 14, 2008, 02:53:34 pm
if you are stupid enough to buy a chrysler product in the first place then this kind of ploy is right up your alley.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: custosnox on May 14, 2008, 04:55:18 pm
Now don't go trashing crysler.  They came out with some good cars.  I'll even name a few for you.  1............ ummmm... 1............ ummmm... oh come on, someone help me out here


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: waterboy on May 14, 2008, 05:40:50 pm
Can you loan out the card to friends and family? How would they know?


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: inteller on May 17, 2008, 01:59:53 pm
quote:
Originally posted by waterboy

Can you loan out the card to friends and family? How would they know?



exactly.  Expect widespread fraud with this one.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: inteller on May 17, 2008, 02:01:04 pm
quote:
Originally posted by custosnox

Now don't go trashing crysler.  They came out with some good cars.  I'll even name a few for you.  1............ ummmm... 1............ ummmm... oh come on, someone help me out here




the Eagle Talon TSi was a good car, but that was actually a Mitsubishi Eclipse.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: sauerkraut on May 17, 2008, 02:45:04 pm
Gas prices could also dip below $2.99 a gallon in the future then what?[B)]


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: inteller on May 17, 2008, 07:40:38 pm
quote:
Originally posted by sauerkraut

Gas prices could also dip below $2.99 a gallon in the future then what?[B)]



yeah right....


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: sgrizzle on May 17, 2008, 09:46:38 pm
quote:
Originally posted by inteller

quote:
Originally posted by waterboy

Can you loan out the card to friends and family? How would they know?



exactly.  Expect widespread fraud with this one.



It's limited to 12,000 miles worth of gas at the car's estimated mpg rating.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: bugo on May 18, 2008, 03:17:53 am
quote:
Originally posted by custosnox

Now don't go trashing crysler.  They came out with some good cars.  I'll even name a few for you.  1............ ummmm... 1............ ummmm... oh come on, someone help me out here



I saw an orange 1971 Plymouth GTX at 41st and Peoria today.  I think it snarled at me when my eyes popped out when I saw it.  Now THAT was a good car.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: bugo on May 18, 2008, 03:25:46 am
quote:
Originally posted by inteller

quote:
Originally posted by custosnox

Now don't go trashing crysler.  They came out with some good cars.  I'll even name a few for you.  1............ ummmm... 1............ ummmm... oh come on, someone help me out here




the Eagle Talon TSi was a good car, but that was actually a Mitsubishi Eclipse.



I test drove a couple of 1992 Talons back when they were knew.  Incredibly quick cars.  They'll get away from you in a hurry.  Was yours FWD or AWD?  I drove both, and while the AWD was obviously the superior car, I think the FWD might have been more fun because of the tremendous torque steer that you had to fight to keep them going.  I'm surprised more of them didn't end up smashing into ditches.

Was yours auto or manual?  I drove a 91 Eclipse GSX auto and I was disappointed.  The 5 speed is the only way to go.

And while the Talon was a badge-engineered version of the Mitsubishi Eclipse (and the seldom-seen Plymouth Laser) Chrysler did have some hand in its design.

Fun, fun cars.  I want a 92-94 Laser AWD with a 5 speed.  What year was yours?


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: waterboy on May 18, 2008, 08:37:38 am
Bugo, that orange GTX you saw reminded me of the only true muscle car that ever scared the bejeezus out of me. My brother's dark green 1968 440 GTX with three speed torqueflight. You could depress the brake pedal and slightly hit the accelerator and it would wiggle and snarl like a leopard sizing up its prey. It would then launch itself with so much torque that your tummy would hurt. People remember the RoadRunners, but the GTX was class and only the 428 hemi could outrun it and even so just at the top end speeds.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: bugo on May 18, 2008, 04:00:44 pm
quote:
Originally posted by waterboy

Bugo, that orange GTX you saw reminded me of the only true muscle car that ever scared the bejeezus out of me. My brother's dark green 1968 440 GTX with three speed torqueflight. You could depress the brake pedal and slightly hit the accelerator and it would wiggle and snarl like a leopard sizing up its prey. It would then launch itself with so much torque that your tummy would hurt. People remember the RoadRunners, but the GTX was class and only the 428 hemi could outrun it and even so just at the top end speeds.



The GTX was a luxury muscle car and came standard with the 440 big block V8 engine with 375 horspower from 1967 to 1970, 370 in 1971.  The Road Runner was a stripped down budget muscle car and came standard with a 335 HP 383 (300 HP in 71.)  After 1971, the Road Runner was available with small block engines.  Both the 68-71 Road Runner and GTX were also available with the infamous 426 Hemi (it was a 426, the 428 was built by Ford (Cobra Jet.)  Pontiac also made a 428 in the late Sixties to power its large Bonnevilles and other full sized cars.  Starting in late 69, the 440 with 3 2 barrel carbs (440 Six Pack on Dodges) was available on Road Runners.

And from what I've read, the 440 was virtually as quick as the Hemi on the streets, partially because of the poor quality bias ply tires available at the time.  And it was much simpler than the complex 426, which made it a much better engine for street use.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: bmuscotty on May 18, 2008, 04:10:06 pm
quote:
Now don't go trashing crysler. They came out with some good cars. I'll even name a few for you. 1............ ummmm... 1............ ummmm... oh come on, someone help me out here


I drive a 2004 Dodge Neon SXT (also built by Mitsubishi) that I just love. Been a good car so far.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: OUGrad05 on May 18, 2008, 08:10:25 pm
Chrysler is trying anything to sell their vehicles because they make inferior products.  This is a feeble attempt to sell cars and anyone who buys a vehicle for 2.99 gas is an idiot.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: RecycleMichael on May 18, 2008, 09:15:19 pm
The Chrysler Aspen is rated at 13 Mpg.
http://www.chrysler.com/en/performance/2008/

Other Chrysler models are 15, 16 or 17 mpg.

12,000 miles at 13 mph is 923 gallons of gas. Today gas is 3.59 so the difference is sixty cents. 923 gallons at sixty cents is $554 or $46 a month.

This is a three year deal. What if gas is $4 or $5? At $5, this deal is worth 6 or 7 thousand dollars. That would make the deal worth it to me.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: nathanm on May 18, 2008, 09:40:37 pm
quote:
Originally posted by OUGrad05

Chrysler is trying anything to sell their vehicles because they make inferior products.  This is a feeble attempt to sell cars and anyone who buys a vehicle for 2.99 gas is an idiot.


I doubt they expect to sell many cars only because of the $2.99 gas offer, but if you're on the fence between a Chrysler product and a competitor's product and have little or no other basis for making a decision between the two, why not go with the Chrysler?

(Not that I participate in the new car racket, but I still understand their reasoning)


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: sgrizzle on May 19, 2008, 05:19:04 am
quote:
Originally posted by inteller

if you are stupid enough to buy a chrysler product in the first place then this kind of ploy is right up your alley.



At least it's not Ford.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: Hoss on May 19, 2008, 06:03:24 am
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:
Originally posted by inteller

if you are stupid enough to buy a chrysler product in the first place then this kind of ploy is right up your alley.



At least it's not Ford.



Agreed.  I drive a 2008 Dodge Avenger SXT.  Good car, sofar.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: Conan71 on May 19, 2008, 08:17:52 am
quote:
Originally posted by RecycleMichael

The Chrysler Aspen is rated at 13 Mpg.
http://www.chrysler.com/en/performance/2008/

Other Chrysler models are 15, 16 or 17 mpg.

12,000 miles at 13 mph is 923 gallons of gas. Today gas is 3.59 so the difference is sixty cents. 923 gallons at sixty cents is $554 or $46 a month.

This is a three year deal. What if gas is $4 or $5? At $5, this deal is worth 6 or 7 thousand dollars. That would make the deal worth it to me.



It's a clever promotion, I'd be willing to bet it stimulates sales with those who haven't had a recent sub-prime foreclosure. [B)]


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: sauerkraut on May 19, 2008, 09:45:42 am
quote:
Originally posted by bugo

quote:
Originally posted by custosnox

Now don't go trashing crysler.  They came out with some good cars.  I'll even name a few for you.  1............ ummmm... 1............ ummmm... oh come on, someone help me out here



I saw an orange 1971 Plymouth GTX at 41st and Peoria today.  I think it snarled at me when my eyes popped out when I saw it.  Now THAT was a good car.

Chrysler use-to have a real good engine back then called the 225 slant six they say it could run & run for tons of miles, however It did have a flaw in that sometimes the #5 cylinder rod would crash thru the block. They also say Fords 300 Straight six is a good engine, but I had one of those and I had alot of trouble with mine on a old 1981 pick-up truck, everything from vacuum leaks at the intake gasket to worn cam shaft lobes and low cylinger compression and oil leaks.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: sauerkraut on May 19, 2008, 09:51:53 am
The high fuel prices will likely affect diesel sales, which is bad because the diesel engine is far better than gasoline engines, but with gasoline at $4.00 a gallon and diesel about to hit $5.00 a gallon and it looks like diesel pump prices may stay in the $5.00 zone for a while a diesel vehicle will be expensive to drive. I always wanted to have a diesel pick-up truck, but now I'm happy now I bought a gasoline truck instead.[:o)]


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: dggriffi on May 19, 2008, 11:32:30 am
quote:

E85, of course, is actual ethanol fuel, which "Flex fuel" cars can use.  It has 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline.  Odd that it still requires 15% gasoline to function, if ethanol is supposedly such a good source of energy isn't it?

And if you think E10 gets bad performance, it is nothing compared to E85.




E85 is for "flex-fuel"  vehicles,  which have always ran poorly on ethanol.  Its just an intermediate step between gasoline and ethanol.

All ethanol vehicles get better performance and millage than all gasoline engines.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: dggriffi on May 19, 2008, 11:36:06 am
quote:

I doubt they expect to sell many cars only because of the $2.99 gas offer, but if you're on the fence between a Chrysler product and a competitor's product and have little or no other basis for making a decision between the two, why not go with the Chrysler?




yeah,  they are after the low hanging fruit.  Im a Toyota fan and it will a long time before i ever buy a Chrysler again.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: bugo on May 19, 2008, 08:16:02 pm
quote:
Originally posted by sauerkraut
Chrysler use-to have a real good engine back then called the 225 slant six they say it could run & run for tons of miles, however It did have a flaw in that sometimes the #5 cylinder rod would crash thru the block. They also say Fords 300 Straight six is a good engine, but I had one of those and I had alot of trouble with mine on a old 1981 pick-up truck, everything from vacuum leaks at the intake gasket to worn cam shaft lobes and low cylinger compression and oil leaks.



The 300 was a good engine, but by 1981 it was so choked with emissions equipment it barely put out enough power to move its own weight.  That was likely where the vacuum leaks came from.  My dad had an 83 F100 that had many of the same problems.  He ended up plugging off a bunch of stuff and it ran a lot better.  The "good" 300s were built in the 60s and early to mid 70s.


Title: $2.99 gas and diesel?
Post by: OUGrad05 on May 19, 2008, 08:40:36 pm
quote:
Originally posted by dggriffi

quote:

E85, of course, is actual ethanol fuel, which "Flex fuel" cars can use.  It has 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline.  Odd that it still requires 15% gasoline to function, if ethanol is supposedly such a good source of energy isn't it?

And if you think E10 gets bad performance, it is nothing compared to E85.




E85 is for "flex-fuel"  vehicles,  which have always ran poorly on ethanol.  Its just an intermediate step between gasoline and ethanol.

All ethanol vehicles get better performance and millage than all gasoline engines.



Dunno where you're getting your info but ethanol contains less BTU's per volume than gasoline.  it is a less efficient fuel and biomass and switchgrass are the only good ways to get ethanol.