http://www.cnn.com/
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Originally posted by pmcalk
http://www.cnn.com/
Wow. I hate to say it -- and apologies to RM -- but he was never really in a position to go the distance. Not that his message wasn't worthwhile, or his campaign run well, but Hillary and Obama sucked all the air out of the race. I think in a different year, he might've faired much better.
Question: what happens to the delegates that he's won to date? Where do they go?
Why do the mediocre candidates back out before the completely worthless ones?
Giuliani?
Ron Paul?
Gravel?
^^Guiliani drops out today, too:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/30/fl.primary/index.html
I am saddened today that Edwards drops out. I just really liked his message of two Americas. We do have a problem with the haves and the have nots and need to do something. His delegates are not bound. They can go anywhere.
He was probably going to get three hundred of the 1,700 delegates on Super Tuesday. Hillary was going to get 900 and Obama the rest. Why would he drop out now?
My theory...he knew it was going to be almost impossible to beat Hillary after next Tuesday. What gives you a bigger bargaining chip...going to the convention with 500 of the 4,000 delegates to play king-maker or working to unify the party and taking an active role in a new administration?
His endorsement of either Obama or Hillary will be big if he does it this week.
The Herald Tribune reported yesterday: "Edwards said he was in the race for the long haul and expected to do well Tuesday in Oklahoma's presidential primary."
Is that Edwards' two Americas: Those who tell the truth and those who do not.
Please Guido...
President Bush lies and people die...do you really want to talk about lies?
I was surprised by Edwards dropping out as well. I really am curious what prompted it. I like Edward's message, too, but he didn't seem to move beyond it. It was the same message from 2004, and at some point it does start to sound like a broken record. I am not trying to demean the significance of it--I believe it is critical--but people grow bored quickly.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Please Guido...
President Bush lies and people die...do you really want to talk about lies?
So you at least concede that Edwards lied to Tulsans YESTERDAY. Oh, and what does President Bush have to do with this thread? I mean, other than being a red herring and all...
I'm not sure Edwards lied. After the meeting in OK, his advisers probably did a serious sit-down session and pinned him down on whether it was truly worth it to keep finishing a distant third in primaries.
These withdrawal decisions tend to happen really fast.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
I'm not sure Edwards lied. After the meeting in OK, his advisers probably did a serious sit-down session and pinned him down on whether it was truly worth it to keep finishing a distant third in primaries.
These withdrawal decisions tend to happen really fast.
You may be right. But will you agree with me that this particular decision was REALLY, REALLY fast. Come on, we are talking about hours? Edwards rolls into Tulsa, cranks up the decibel and excitement level with a large union, then dumps on them. That's what I am angry about.
If you're that mad, don't vote for him.
Not that you would have anyway.
Forgive me if I think your anger is rather shallow. Based on your output in this forum, you're angry at a lot of things.
Just one of a long, long list ...
Hmm. CNN reports that on Tuesday, he told Obama and Clinton he was "considering" dropping out.
So I guess the decision indeed was made "REALLY, REALLY" fast.
So much for the lying theory.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/30/edwards/index.html
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President Bush lies and people die...
[}:)]
No war for oil! Save the whales!
Thanks for the laugh.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
If you're that mad, don't vote for him.
Not that you would have anyway.
Forgive me if I think your anger is rather shallow. Based on your output in this forum, you're angry at a lot of things.
Just one of a long, long list ...
It's not about who I would vote for. It's about Edwards misleading people in this town. Can't you see that? Early Tuesday he is telling Tulsans to be there for him on Super Tuesday, then later on the same day he is apparently telling Clinton and Obama he is considering abandoning his campaign. "Shallow" anger or not, Edwards should be called on this.
I'll digress here. We can disagree on how one interprets this.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I am saddened today that Edwards drops out. I just really liked his message of two Americas. We do have a problem with the haves and the have nots and need to do something. His delegates are not bound. They can go anywhere.
He was probably going to get three hundred of the 1,700 delegates on Super Tuesday. Hillary was going to get 900 and Obama the rest. Why would he drop out now?
My theory...he knew it was going to be almost impossible to beat Hillary after next Tuesday. What gives you a bigger bargaining chip...going to the convention with 500 of the 4,000 delegates to play king-maker or working to unify the party and taking an active role in a new administration?
His endorsement of either Obama or Hillary will be big if he does it this week.
The tale of "Two Americas" would have rung a lot louder if it had not come from the mouth of a wealthy man who has been working with a hedge fund the last few years.
Aside from my general belief that the tools and facilities are in place for anyone to step out of second tier America into top tier America already, That is incredibly disingenuous coming from a "have".
I think Edwards was an idiot running on that message, the average American worker was turned off by it.
A wealthy man can't work to end poverty?
He gives incredible amounts of his money and time to a cause he remembers like no other candidate on that stage. His father really did work in the mill factory.
Compare him to Mitt Romney whose father was president of American Motors and yet tells people how he is a self made businessman who preaches for tax cuts for the rich to stimulate the economy.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I am saddened today that Edwards drops out. I just really liked his message of two Americas. We do have a problem with the haves and the have nots and need to do something. His delegates are not bound. They can go anywhere.
He was probably going to get three hundred of the 1,700 delegates on Super Tuesday. Hillary was going to get 900 and Obama the rest. Why would he drop out now?
My theory...he knew it was going to be almost impossible to beat Hillary after next Tuesday. What gives you a bigger bargaining chip...going to the convention with 500 of the 4,000 delegates to play king-maker or working to unify the party and taking an active role in a new administration?
His endorsement of either Obama or Hillary will be big if he does it this week.
The tale of "Two Americas" would have rung a lot louder if it had not come from the mouth of a wealthy man who has been working with a hedge fund the last few years.
Aside from my general belief that the tools and facilities are in place for anyone to step out of second tier America into top tier America already, That is incredibly disingenuous coming from a "have".
I think Edwards was an idiot running on that message, the average American worker was turned off by it.
Agreed. His message of eliminating poverty would have garnered more support if he simultaneously vowed to end laziness and apathy as well...
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
A wealthy man can't work to end poverty?
He gives incredible amounts of his money and time to a cause he remembers like no other candidate on that stage. His father really did work in the mill factory.
Compare him to Mitt Romney whose father was president of American Motors and yet tells people how he is a self made businessman who preaches for tax cuts for the rich to stimulate the economy.
Edwards was a fraud. Your fellow Democrats have spoken.
I don't begrudge anyone nor their efforts because of their wealth. I couldn't care less if RM had $1bil, held onto it all, and complained that more should do more to combat poverty (unless that demand meant taking my wealth to do so). Same for Edwards - the guy worked hard for what he has and gets to the same rights as I do. To do whatever he pleases with it, and so long has his statements are not hypocritical that's fine with me.
That said, when a wealthy man wants to take mine and everyone else's money and give that money to others - I expect him to be going way above and beyond. Don't tell me I have to give an extra 2-5% a year if you aren't voluntarily forking over at least that much. But I don't know RM's nor Edwards finances/charity work well enough to really comment on them.
And of course, I am of the school of thought that the best way out of poverty is with a map. The government should do nothing more than provide the map and perhaps keep the road clear for people to climb the social ladder. Massive government spending campaigns will not help nearly as much as creating an environment that is conducive to starting and running business of every size and/or encouraging people to get an education.
Now how's THAT for a ramble?
ps. Mitt has certainly earned his own respect. He graduated from Harvard Law, which no idiot can accomplish. He went to work in MA, no MI where he would certainly of had more of a leg up. He has climbed the corporate ladder at several companies and landed the Olympics gig of his own accord.
I'm sure he was given a solid foundation, but when the strings were cut he was able to stand on his own feet and go up from there.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
A wealthy man can't work to end poverty?
He gives incredible amounts of his money and time to a cause he remembers like no other candidate on that stage. His father really did work in the mill factory.
Compare him to Mitt Romney whose father was president of American Motors and yet tells people how he is a self made businessman who preaches for tax cuts for the rich to stimulate the economy.
Again with the red herrings. I get it RM, Edwards is a far better human being than Bush and Romney. Thank you.
Thanks guido...I knew you would come around.
Now can I convince you to recycle?
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Thanks guido...I knew you would come around.
Now can I convince you to recycle?
Now that is funny. Bravo and well said.
It's obvious Edwards withdrew to save the country by endorsing Obama before Super Tuesday.
Great job John. You done us proud. Next AG?
Perhaps chief of staff?
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Originally posted by guido911
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
A wealthy man can't work to end poverty?
He gives incredible amounts of his money and time to a cause he remembers like no other candidate on that stage. His father really did work in the mill factory.
Compare him to Mitt Romney whose father was president of American Motors and yet tells people how he is a self made businessman who preaches for tax cuts for the rich to stimulate the economy.
Again with the red herrings. I get it RM, Edwards is a far better human being than Bush and Romney. Thank you.
No-one wants to have to say "President Mitt"
It just sounds like you elected the Arby's mascot.
Mormon Guide to World Domination
Step 1, take over Missouri
Step 1: Take over Utah
Step 2: Host the Olympics
Step 3: The presidency
I actually respect Mormons a lot, but you're still fair game. [:P]
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Mormon Guide to World Domination
Step 1, take over Missouri
Step 1: Take over Utah
Step 2: Host the Olympics
Step 3: The presidency
I actually respect Mormons a lot, but you're still fair game. [:P]
LMAO
I had heard (not sure if its true) there was a time that you could kill a mormon in Missouri and not be punished.
I really like the choice of language by Yahoo for the 2 candidates:
Giuliani to exit presidential race today (AP)
John Edwards to quit presidential race (AP)
You see, Edwards "quit" but Giuliani "exit" the race gracefully. Isn't it amazing?
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Originally posted by FOTD
I really like the choice of language by Yahoo for the 2 candidates:
Giuliani to exit presidential race today (AP)
John Edwards to quit presidential race (AP)
You see, Edwards "quit" but Giuliani "exit" the race gracefully. Isn't it amazing?
Amusing how easily the simple-minded are amazed. [:P]
Doesn't anyone find it ironic that Edwards exited after visiting Tulsa? Maybe he accidentally tuned into 1170am or read some of these oh so insightful posts.[;)] Combine that with the bombed out appearance of northeast Tulsa and that may have erased all optimism that change can be effected.
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Originally posted by waterboy
Doesn't anyone find it ironic that Edwards exited after visiting Tulsa? Maybe he accidentally tuned into 1170am or read some of these oh so insightful posts.[;)] Combine that with the bombed out appearance of northeast Tulsa and that may have erased all optimism that change can be effected.
His speech was at "a packed union hall". I'm thinking playing to an audience of 100 or so might have been telling him something.
Either that or he met DoubleA, figured out who the other half of America really is and decided he doesn't want to help them after all.
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Originally posted by grahambino
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Mormon Guide to World Domination
Step 1, take over Missouri
Step 1: Take over Utah
Step 2: Host the Olympics
Step 3: The presidency
I actually respect Mormons a lot, but you're still fair game. [:P]
LMAO
I had heard (not sure if its true) there was a time that you could kill a mormon in Missouri and not be punished.
I think in Missouri there was an "Extermination Order" and it existed until the 1970s
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Originally posted by guido911
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Originally posted by grahambino
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Mormon Guide to World Domination
Step 1, take over Missouri
Step 1: Take over Utah
Step 2: Host the Olympics
Step 3: The presidency
I actually respect Mormons a lot, but you're still fair game. [:P]
LMAO
I had heard (not sure if its true) there was a time that you could kill a mormon in Missouri and not be punished.
I think in Missouri there was an "Extermination Order" and it existed until the 1970s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_Order
Missouri Executive Order 44[1] also known as The "extermination order" (alt. exterminating order) in Latter Day Saint history was an executive order issued on October 27, 1838 by Missouri governor Lilburn Boggs. The order was in response to what Boggs termed "open and avowed defiance of the laws, and of having made war upon the people of this State ... the Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary for the public peace—their outrages are beyond all description." The order was formally rescinded in 1976.[2]
Edwards endorses McCain
http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2882
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Originally posted by Conan71
Either that or he met DoubleA, figured out who the other half of America really is and decided he doesn't want to help them after all.
Cute, Conman misses me. How precious? Forgive me for staying gone so long and not missing any of the neocon queens of denial here at dysfunction junction. Edwards will be Veep, btw.