I was shocked and dismayed to hear Chris bad-mouth the grieving mother of the 12-year-old gunned down Saturday night in the closing moments of the morning program today.
For someone who deigned to be a leader of the people, the callous remarks are hurtful and hateful, and speak ill (or well) of his form of Conservative Republicantism.
This type of ignorant broadside - criticizing the child's mother before the baby was even in the ground - is despicable from anyone's lips, but are much more evil considering this is someone who has taken upon himself to speak for so many.
We can all speak off the cuff at times out of frustration, but this was over the line and I could only hope the dimwits at KFAQ hear from more than just me that the child's family deserves an apology.
Care to provide any details?
Let me guess. He said something along the lines of why was a 12-year old out at 3am in the morning. While sad..... I have the same question.
It happened right at the end, after he been babbling for about three hours. The story is introduced, and he just blurts out 'What kind of mother lets her 12 year old at that time of night?'
It was stooopid enough for Mz. Freeman - to her credit - to quickly interject something right behind his suspect remark absolving the grieving mother. What an incredibly insestive, brutal suggestion to make about a woman he knows nothing about.
Now, in the privacy of friends one may wonder many things out loud, as part of thinking through an issue. Frankly, at no point had blaming the (notice he left dad out) mother been the first issue on my mind, and I am disgusted that such a vile slur was issued on-air.
I recommend that he apologize, and show that he is a man of conscience and wisdom.
That may not be an exxxact quote but that was the gist of it all.
You say a lot about the cops in this town Wilbur, because if you can still see the sadness in the incident despite all you have seen that is really, really good thing.
It is a really, really bad thing to treat the tragedy with the same off-hand aloofness that one may discuss potholes, and that is what is disturbing about this snobbish blame-the-victim mentality.
I'm no fan of Medlock, but if what you're saying he said is true, I don't see what the big deal is. It's a legitimate question.
That doesn't mean you deserve to be shot for hanging out at 3 a.m. But you're obviously more at risk at that time in a crime-ridden neighborhood.
There is a difference in asking what your daughter was doing out at 3am and saying "What kind of mother lets her child out at that time of night?"
The first way is a question...the second way heaps blame...blame that I am sure is already going through the mother's mind.
I didn't listen so I don't know how Chris asked the question.
I don't believe for one moment that anyone is taking any of the blame away from the shooter. He will pay through the justice system sometime in the future.
Some laws are put in place to protect people from harm and/or crime. Seatbelts for instance, or curfew for instance. It is about putting yourself into a position of becoming a crime victim.
Police see tragedy everyday and often remark 'What a waste.'
Why would you be shocked by anything that comes out of Medlock's mouth? He's not exactly Tulsa's arbitor of taste and sensitivity. Probably a comment best left for commercial breaks, yes.
I have to agree with other's on here though, 12 y/o child hanging out on north Lewis at 3am. Recipe for disaster. It's also entirely possible the child sneaked out of the house and the mother had no clue.
Its my understanding that the mother did not know where the 12 year old was. Supposed to be home at a certain time and was not. She had family and friends looking for her when all this happened. Found this on KOTV:
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Hill says she thought her 12-year-old daughter was at a cousin's house.
Police say Fuqua and another 12-year-old girl were picked up by a woman and taken to a bar parking lot. They say the woman was assaulted, and the girls took off. That's when the woman realized her wallet was missing.
KOTV Link (//%22http://www.kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=132147%22)
So, instead of asking the question of why this little girl was out so late, we should all just agree that this is tragedy and think about the family and friends of BOTH victims. Chris Medlock is asking this question at the wrong time. Why not focus on catching the killer. There will be time for questions later.
Oh, and if you feel inclined.
Donations can be sent to the Leah Fuqua Memorial Fund, c/o OK Members First Federal Credit Union, 10832 E. 31st Street, Tulsa, OK 74146-1701
KTUL Link (//%22http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0707/441713.html%22)
Why do you feel the need to listen to them in the first place? You constantly berate KFAQ and their morning show, so we already know how you feel about them. If I had as much disdain for a radio program as you do...I WOULDN'T CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO THEM. Your patronage keeps them on the air. The sooner people quit listening to them, the quicker they go away. Why do you continue to listen to them; I gave up on their morning show long ago...
Thanks for the linkage, DM.
IPs, no doubt you are right, and I do not listen often or long; eg this AM I had Coast to Coast still dialed in and had fallen asleep with the buds in the ears and woke up to Freeman twice refer to the 'Mexican' problem just to correct herself.
Okay, blast away.
I notice in the photo the family supplied the media, the girl has a Playboy bunny on her T-shirt.
Woman is assaulted by two teen girls, wallet comes up missing.
Draw your own conclusions. Sad deal, but I don't think we are talking about someone raised by Ward & June Cleaver.
You people keep ripping Medlock, he might just not show up for work (and will probably instead go to nearby Arby's).
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Originally posted by Conan71
Okay, blast away.
I notice in the photo the family supplied the media, the girl has a Playboy bunny on her T-shirt.
Woman is assaulted by two teen girls, wallet comes up missing.
Draw your own conclusions. Sad deal, but I don't think we are talking about someone raised by Ward & June Cleaver.
Just because their parents are not Ward and June Cleaver, that does not make this 12 year disposable. She was 12. The other was 16. These are kids killed over a wallet. I doubt anyone on here would want their parenting skills to be questioned after losing your child. Oh and BTW, Ward and June Cleaver were not the best parents either. Beaver got in trouble all the time! Parenting is not perfect. But we all must do what we can with what we have. Because even if parents do all the right things, tragedy can still take your child. Even over something as small as a wallet.
No one said the girl was disposable. It is a sad lesson to be learned as to what can happen to children with ostensibly permissive or inattentive parents.
Your right, Beaver was always in trouble:
"Ward you were a little hard on the Beaver last night, don't you think?"
Having finally wiped the sleep out of my eyes and read the paper this morning, I'm now inclined to blame the shooter entirely.
Sure, the kids were up past curfew. But on the other side you have a hothead, probably drunk (he was in a bar), who shot two kids with an AK-47 over a stolen wallet? And no one's even sure whether the wallet was stolen? And the girl was trying to comfort the shot kid when she was shot, too?
The guy's just a stone-cold killer.
"Muller allegedly shot and killed Leah Harris-Fuqua, 12, and Derriko Ross, 16, Sunday after a dispute over an allegedly stole wallet."
Reporting on the fly?
Yep, the drunken toad is responsible. But it took a drunken toad plus a few targets to complete the scenario. This was by no means a justifiable homicide and not self-defense. It's the worst case where being in the wrong place at the wrong time can be fatal.
Main reason my daughters have a curfew and why I'm not real permissive is because there are a lot of drunken toads out after midnight.
I'm just waiting for the un-informed on guns to start screaming for a ban on assault rifles.
The guy is a killer and I blame him, but I think with better parenting, it might not have been these two kids it happened to. At 12 years old, she wasn't a little past curfew, she was a lot past curfew. The playboy bunny shirt is inappropriate at that age but these days blaming anything on parenting is taboo.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
The guy is a killer and I blame him, but I think with better parenting, it might not have been these two kids it happened to. At 12 years old, she wasn't a little past curfew, she was a lot past curfew. The playboy bunny shirt is inappropriate at that age but these days blaming anything on parenting is taboo.
I would not say blaming ANYTHING on parenting is taboo. It's just ill timed. Right now we should be focusing on catching this guy. I understand they may have him surrounded in Lawton right now. Personally I would like for him to kill himself or be killed. Yes, HE is disposable. Anyone who intentionally harms kids certainly is IMO.
Conan, I am not saying you said these kids were disposable. My apologies for any implication. I completely agree a lesson could be learned here. But lets catch this a**hole that did this and teach him a lesson first. [;)]
^^Sounds like the law is moving in on him. Hopefully either they or he will spare taxpayers a trial.
I guess I'm in the mood for hate mail and searing comments.
The paper says that the girl was in an alternative education program, and one of her counselors or teachers said she was "mature for her age."
It doesn't take a village to raise kids, it takes concerned, caring, and non-self-absorbed parents to keep them out of trouble and to steer them on the right path in the first place.
I feel bad for the girl because it doesn't sound like she likely had the best home environment nor parental guideance to start with.
QuoteIt doesn't take a village to raise kids...QuoteNope. Villiages tend to turn out idiots...
"It takes a pillage".
Attilla the Hun
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Originally posted by DM
Chris Medlock is asking this question at the wrong time. Why not focus on catching the killer. There will be time for questions later.
Medlock is discussing this now because he is a radio personality who discusses CURRENT events. Many people will forget this happened a month from now.
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Originally posted by Wilbur
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Originally posted by DM
Chris Medlock is asking this question at the wrong time. Why not focus on catching the killer. There will be time for questions later.
Medlock is discussing this now because he is a radio personality who discusses CURRENT events. Many people will forget this happened a month from now.
So that makes it right?
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Originally posted by DM
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Originally posted by Wilbur
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Originally posted by DM
Chris Medlock is asking this question at the wrong time. Why not focus on catching the killer. There will be time for questions later.
Medlock is discussing this now because he is a radio personality who discusses CURRENT events. Many people will forget this happened a month from now.
So that makes it right?
yes, next question.
and anyways...why are you listening to one of the least credible stations on the air?
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Originally posted by DM
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Originally posted by Wilbur
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Originally posted by DM
Chris Medlock is asking this question at the wrong time. Why not focus on catching the killer. There will be time for questions later.
Medlock is discussing this now because he is a radio personality who discusses CURRENT events. Many people will forget this happened a month from now.
So that makes it right?
Yes. He is talking about the big fat elephant in the room. Not ignoring it.
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Originally posted by DM
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Originally posted by Wilbur
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Originally posted by DM
Chris Medlock is asking this question at the wrong time. Why not focus on catching the killer. There will be time for questions later.
Medlock is discussing this now because he is a radio personality who discusses CURRENT events. Many people will forget this happened a month from now.
So that makes it right?
yes, next question.
and anyways...why are you listening to one of the least credible stations on the air?
Um I don't listen to them. Someone else posted. But thanks for paying attention. And the answer to the question is NO. It's in poor taste and just plainly wrong. It would be just as bad for him to start criticizing the baseball player that hit that ball into the Drillers coach or the fact that he was not wearing a helmet. Both would be in poor timing and in very bad taste.
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Originally posted by Wilbur
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Originally posted by DM
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Originally posted by Wilbur
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Originally posted by DM
Chris Medlock is asking this question at the wrong time. Why not focus on catching the killer. There will be time for questions later.
Medlock is discussing this now because he is a radio personality who discusses CURRENT events. Many people will forget this happened a month from now.
So that makes it right?
Yes. He is talking about the big fat elephant in the room. Not ignoring it.
So in a couple of days the elephant will still be there and at least the dead will have been layed to rest. Like I said, poor taste and bad timing. But I guess some people have no idea what respect is.
Just like my long deceased mother told me when I was a teenager,
"Nothing good happens after midnight."
Danger is all around us, sports, skydiving, swimming, idiot drivers, drugs, drunks, etc.
The key is to be able to understand the risk, and either accept the risk, or put ourselves in a position to minimize the risk.
The problem for me was, that I didnt understand the risk at age 12, thats what my parents were for.
Whats amazing was when I was a kid, we all had guns, but we just didnt shoot each other.
And if this were a 'South' Tulsan child do you think the creep would have uttered that broadside? 'North' is just a code for black and/or poor, and so even before the details were in the family was already easy pickings for innuendo and blame.
Do you think the story that the 12 year old was trying to shield the teen from further gunshots will even be mentioned? Anyone want to defend some maniac's right to have an assualt rifle? And who trained him in 'survivalist' skills, anyway?
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Originally posted by tim huntzingerAnd who trained him in 'survivalist' skills, anyway?
Oh....my.....GAWD! Everyone panic, take Bear Grylls off the air for teaching everyone "survivalist" skills.
BTW. You never bothered to mention what he actually said...might be helpful to the conversation.
IP, please do not let the facts get in the way of argument. How many times do I have to tell you that?
Well, I am sure I must have been hallucinating. Well, the voices in my head, imitating Medlock, said something to the effect of 'What kind of mother lets her 12-year-old out at that time of night?'
Which...is....a valid question...is it not?
I wouldn't consider this "bad-mouthing." What part of that question is hateful, there Hometown? Maybe a little less hyperbole and little more pragmatism about life in general would do us all a little good. Keeping in mind that I could care less for the bozo who asked the question.
Not a native Tulsan, there IPsqueak, but I will take that as a compliment (no 'mults' either).
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Is it okay to talk about now?
http://www.kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=132299
Or will we not bad mouth KOTV because they are not KFAQ?
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Not a native Tulsan, there IPsqueak, but I will take that as a compliment (no 'mults' either).
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What does this response have to do with my post? What does your not being "native" have anything to do with this?
I mean.. what kind of mother lets her 12 year old girl run around at 3AM anyways?
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Originally posted by tulsacyclist
I mean.. what kind of mother lets her 12 year old girl run around at 3AM anyways?
That's enough you heartless hatemonger.
Wilbur, if it takes the deaths of two kids to have us talk about why the TPD let ID checks slide for so long in high-crime areas, bring it on.
IPs, you called me Hometown. I do not use multiple id's and Tulsa is not my Hometown.
Cyclist, see also page 1.
Medlock is such a moron he says today, 'Earlier this week we talked about why a mother . . .' No, you snake, YOU talked about the mama. Miss Caterpillar Brow did not and Elvis 'Cut and Run' Polo did not. Only YOU, Lord Vader, could be so cold.
You still haven't explained why what he asked was "hateful." Most here think it's a reasonable question to ask. Could send a strong message to more permissive parents who think that letting 12 year olds out all night is harmless. It could make parents rethink proper boundries for a 12 year old. Making an example of a bad parent by telling the whole story is somehow "hateful?"
What exactly are you taking exception to?
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Originally posted by tulsacyclist
I mean.. what kind of mother lets her 12 year old girl run around at 3AM anyways?
That's enough you heartless hatemonger.
Excellent response, I like it. =]
For the others..
So much for parental responsibility, lets blame the police and idiot guys with 'evil' assault rifles. I'd suggest calling TPD to request if they offer any childcare / chaperon services for young ones that wish to wander the streets past curfew. Surely they should have a program in place to accommodate this great need. Or I don't know, maybe get the message out that when parents start taking more responsibility for their children and the actions of their children they would likely remain much more safe?
I'm just sayin..
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Yeah, I read it. I suppose that most of us have a different definition of "hateful" than you do...time to grow some thicker skin kid.
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by tulsacyclist
I mean.. what kind of mother lets her 12 year old girl run around at 3AM anyways?
That's enough you heartless hatemonger.
Excellent response, I like it. =]
For the others..
So much for parental responsibility, lets blame the police and idiot guys with 'evil' assault rifles. I'd suggest calling TPD to request if they offer any childcare / chaperon services for young ones that wish to wander the streets past curfew. Surely they should have a program in place to accommodate this great need. Or I don't know, maybe get the message out that when parents start taking more responsibility for their children and the actions of their children they would likely remain much more safe?
I'm just sayin..
Nope, to hell with parental responsibility. I'm tired of it. I think the police should chaperone all our kids and I'm going to count on public school teachers to teach my kids morals and responsibility from now on. That's what my taxes are paying for damn it!
Then I can go back to my crack pipe lifestyle I so love to indulge in, not have a care in the world and know someone else is taking good care of my kids for me.
That is cold-blooded. The girl died trying to shield the teen after he was run over and shot. I snuck out lots when I was a kid, never had a maniac accuse me of stealing a lost wallet and then shoot at me.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
That is cold-blooded. The girl died trying to shield the teen after he was run over and shot. I snuck out lots when I was a kid, never had a maniac accuse me of stealing a lost wallet and then shoot at me.
Again, for a parent to not know where a 12 year old is at 3am is issue. Not the heroism of the child, nor the maniac that killed them. Stop deflecting.
There are most definitely ways to keep kids from sneaking out of the house, and I'm sure this wasn't the first time this happened. BTW, you're assuming that the kid actually
snuck out and wasn't allowed out. No one knows, but I'm willing to assume for the sake of conversation that the kid did, which brings me back to my original statement that an informed and conscientious parent could keep them from doing so.
According to the Tulsa World this morning, the girl was supposed to be going over to a friend's and was to return at mid-night.
Mid-night curfew for a 12 year-old? In that part of town?
How reasonible is that? Wouldn't even be a thought for my 14 y/o in So Tul.
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Originally posted by Conan71
According to the Tulsa World this morning, the girl was supposed to be going over to a friend's and was to return at mid-night.
Mid-night curfew for a 12 year-old? In that part of town?
How reasonible is that? Wouldn't even be a thought for my 14 y/o in So Tul.
M'kay...this settles it for me then. She's an idiot. Not only was the child out
with her permission, but she doesn't even have the common sense to know that it was stupid and tells the newspaper the story anyways, basically confessing to the world that she's a moron.
Sheesh dude. You are cold-blooded. Might as well apply for Mudlock's job.
Bwahhh-haahhhh hahhhhh
Keeps getting worse. Word around the campfire is that the shooter's wife eventually found the wallet at her house. Sum total of $4 she was worried about.
Harris had better fry this one or he needs to start making plans for private practice.
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Originally posted by Conan71
According to the Tulsa World this morning, the girl was supposed to be going over to a friend's and was to return at mid-night.
Mid-night curfew for a 12 year-old? In that part of town?
How reasonible is that? Wouldn't even be a thought for my 14 y/o in So Tul.
M'kay...this settles it for me then. She's an idiot. Not only was the child out with her permission, but she doesn't even have the common sense to know that it was stupid and tells the newspaper the story anyways, basically confessing to the world that she's a moron.
Yeah IP, the mother should be punished. Her daughter deserved to die.
Does letting your child out in until midnight mean she deserves to die?
Does accepting a ride from a stranger mean you should die?
Does hanging out at a bar while 12 mean you should die?
Does being out at 3am in a bad part of town mean you should die?
Does robbing someone mean you should die? (since learned it was not a robbery, doesn't effect the analysis)
The answer to all of those is clearly NO. However, every one of them increase the chances of something bad happening. The fact that something bad happened is, while tragic, not utterly unforeseeable.
If the situation was that an adult lowlife was gunned down following a robbery it would not be as big of a deal. The only difference between an adult and a child is that the child is the lack of mental capacity. A parent is suppose to substitute for that lack.
So who is to blame for pulling the trigger? The shooter. He is the murderer.
Who is to blame for all the circumstances listed above leading to those girls being in that place, at that time, committing that act?
The MOTHER. I hope she carries a heavy heart, because her actions played a significant roll in the death of her daughter. I'm sorry for her loss, she certainly did not deserve to have her child die - but the sad truth is she contributed. Hopefully some other mother who wants to let her 12 year old playboy daughter run around to bars until midnight can learn a lesson from this... so thank god someone brought it up.
Those are all great points, but what possible good does it do to wonder out loud on-air the day after the tragedy about what a loser the mother is? To what end? None.
Oh, and about cops looking after kiddos, I suppose all the child molester stings on the internet should be discontinued immediately, after all, if the parents are stupid enough to not supervise their kids . . .
Based on past threads I really do not expect more from some of the comments or am surprised at the sentiments expressed. From someone who wants to represent Christianity and Conservative Republicanism, well, I think I have said it already.
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Originally posted by guido911
Yeah IP, the mother should be punished. Her daughter deserved to die.
Yeah...that's exactly what I said, you're spot on...
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Those are all great points, but what possible good does it do to wonder out loud on-air the day after the tragedy about what a loser the mother is? To what end? None.
Whether you think it's of any value or not is your own opinion. What you said was that it was "hateful", and there's a world of difference between the two. If you think what he said was "hateful" I feel sorry for you and honestly hope you grow some thicker skin...
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
From someone who wants to represent Christianity and Conservative Republicanism, well, I think I have said it already.
I would imagine Jesus endorses parental responsibility.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Those are all great points, but what possible good does it do to wonder out loud on-air the day after the tragedy about what a loser the mother is? To what end? None.
Oh, and about cops looking after kiddos, I suppose all the child molester stings on the internet should be discontinued immediately, after all, if the parents are stupid enough to not supervise their kids . . .
Based on past threads I really do not expect more from some of the comments or am surprised at the sentiments expressed. From someone who wants to represent Christianity and Conservative Republicanism, well, I think I have said it already.
Tim, have you thought about writing KFAQ or calling Mudlock to express this?
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I would imagine Jesus endorses parental responsibility.
Christ is the advocate for the brokenhearted, not their accuser.
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Christ is the advocate for the brokenhearted, not their accuser.
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Deeeeaaaaamons oooooouuuuttttt!!!!
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
To what end? None.
Would it be better to hurt this negligent mother's feelings or to not inform other mother's of how stupid it is to let your 12 year old wonder at bars until midnight? Perhaps his honesty in this matter convinced some other parent to have their 12 year old home by dark, like most sane people. Maybe he saved some little girls life.
I'd say that's more important than being nice to a grieving mother. She certainly has a right to grieve and was not responsible for her daughters death, but perhaps her mistakes can be used to teach other's and prevent future losses.
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